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The Culability of Jehovah's Witnesses and Pedophilia

The subject of pedophilia and the sexual abuse of children often is
complicated. By that I DON'T mean that it is complicated to know how
to deal with pedophiles. They have a despicable problem in their
minds and need to be identified and controlled for all children's
sake as well as for their own sake. Most have difficulties
rehabilitating and re-integrating into society, and thus merit a
lifetime of supervision at least, or incarceration at the other end
of that spectrum. But it gets complicated when it happens within
religious communities, such as and especially Jehovah's Witnesses.
Pedophiles prey upon the innocence of children. Kids are easier to
control and manipulate. Pedophiles operate in the shadows. They know
that their behavior is criminal. They require an environment that
protects them. RELIGIONS OF ALL STRIPES are ripe as a breeding ground
for pedophiles. JW's, Mormons, Catholics all suffer from the same
structural flaw. Whether they want to admit it or not, religions first
ammendment rights of "ecclesiastical privelage" (i.e. All religions in
America Constitutionally legislate themselves, the Governement is not
allowed to do so) is often used to protect themselves from unwelcome
publicity. Pedophiles know this and use it to their advantage. A
pedophile can gain trust over time while expertly getting access to
children for their own perverted pleasure. They realize that even if
they are caught, that they can work the religious system they are in
to avoid going to jail, and perhaps even to continue molesting
children. Pedophiles become experts at appearing remorseful if
caught. (that isn't just my opinion. In talking with forensic
phsychologists who work in prisons, they often point out how
manipulative pedophiles are. Many if not most have the goal of getting
out to do their horrid deeds again.) Elders are so naieve and
untrained to handle these insidious people that they have acually
believed the pedophile over the victim and their families. Pedophiles
have had little to worry about in these circumstances.
The Government depends on all religions to police themselves by
ACTUALLY TURNING IN CRIMINALS OR REPORTING SUSPECTED CRIMINAL
ACTIVITY. But they can't make religions do this.This is the
structural flaw of almost all religions that pedophiles exploit.
Religions, and JW's in this case specifically, believe they have the
one "truth". This arrogance blinds them to the problems of pedophiles
and it's real criminality. JW's feel that with Jehovah and the Bible,
that they alone are in the best position to deal with pedophiles. So
they deal with them judicially in their own traditional manner. Even
if this means disfellowshipping, it doesn't mean the victims can talk
about it. It isn't allowed STILL for a reinstated pedophile to be
identified for the protection of the congregation. The GB uses
"confidentiality" as a code word for "control." It must be kept
secret, because the pedophile has a right to privacy according to the
Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. The GB believes this total
***** because of their interpretation of the bible.
In this kind of environment, pedophiles thrive. As early as the
1990's, the GB sent letters to bodies of elders with instruction on
how to handle pedophiles. These instructions were quite emphatic that
such matters be kept strictly confidential. This still hasn't
changed. The congregation still isn't warned if a pedophile is there.
The GB is so disingenuous when it claims that elders call the police
"in states that require them to do so." Talk about a distinction
without a difference!? Who cares if the state you live in hasn't yet
legislated that religions report those suspected of pedophilia to the
police. Isn't it common sense to do exactly that, esp these days?
Isn't it scriptural to report criminal activity? ISN'T IT THE RIGHT
THING TO DO? IF IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, DOESN'T THAT ALSO MAKE
IT THE MORAL THING TO DO? This is exactly the kind of offense that
shows the limited wisdom of the bible. (or at least the GB's ability
to interpret it) because of their "two witnesses" rule. The Governing
Body feels that because the bible says you can't take action against
a person without two witnesses, you can't report suspected pedophilia
either without two witnesses. Pedophiles don't exactly invite other
people to watch them. Thats the point. You will never have two
witnesses see a pedophile in action. Thus, you have no choice but to
go by reports! If you are sincere and want to do the right thing, (as
some elders bravely have done) you have to take what one person tells
you seriously. You have to give the police the chance to do what the
elders are obviously not trained to do, which is to INVESTIGATE
POTENTIAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. The cops aren't as easily fooled as
elders are by pedophiles. And yes, they are actually trained to
identify pedophiles. The cops aren't usually going to hang someone
without evidence. How does telling the police that you have a report
of a possible pedophile in your midst go against the bible or
otherwise prevent the congregation from running itself? Haven't JW's
learned from their own horrible experience that this isn't their
strong suit? But they stubbornly insist on doing things their own
way. Even if you believe that the accussed is innocent, let the
process happen.
This is why ex JW's get upset, (just in case their are any lurkers
reading who may wonder why you read of the pain of many who post
here). They never had a voice, and were never allowed to talk about
what happened to them. They weren't even allowed to warn others in the
congregation of a pedophile under pain of elder action against them.
No matter what the PR Dept of Jehovah's Witnesses says today,
thousands of people have been discouraged from reporting suspected
pedophiles to the police because of what the elders told them. Sorry
folks, that is the sad, cold truth of the matter.
I know most Jehovah's Witnesses (and most religous folk) hate
pedophilia and pedophiles, and want to protect children. That is a
given. That isn't the point. The culpability for allowing the
environment and circumstances that allow pedophiles to exist belongs
to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. It is through their own
self serving interests that they refuse to change. Until the GB
directs that all reports elders hear of pedophilia be instantly
turned over to the police to verify, they will have more blood on
their hands. We can accept nothing less then this concession. There
is nothing unscriptural about this method of dealing with the problem.
IP: lGg/6FSRqQSbrtb419-Jan-08 17:09 by
Re: The Culpability of Jehovah's Witnesses and Pedophilia 19-Jan-08
17:25
It must be kept secret, because the pedophile has a right to privacy
according to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. The GB
believes this total ***** because of their interpretation of the
bible. that's true, they do see it that way. wonder why they won't
give
the apostate or adulterer that privilege? some sins that
just grant secrecy too.
IP: K8Mwa9F142je+XPN

Re: The Culability of Jehovah's Witnesses and Pedophilia 19-Jan-08
17:36 The elders never warn women when a rapists is in the
congregation-
even if they know he has raped more than one person and
admitted it. Amazing isn't it? that person would normally be
serving time in jail but under God's loving org, he can walk among
decent people and live to rape again. Wife beaters - same thing.
women is seldom believed if an elder is involved. Not that men do
not get hurt. they do. for \them it is maybe even worse b/c they
feel they have to "suck it up" and act like a man. Poor women
IP: K8Mwa9F142je+XPN

Re: The Culability of Jehovah's Witnesses and Pedophilia 19-Jan-08
17:52 Interesting but I would venture that there are plausibly
variants on a theme here as with so much of humanity!
Some individuals are so tyrned against their natural affections due to
indoctrination and guilt that they could well surface in otherwise
tabboo areas of society!
Furthermore the sexually restrictive environment of not encouraging or
aiding individuals to explore their own humanity (sexuality) ,save the
ones 'game' enough to break JW rules, is likely to posit the most law
abiding individuals into conflicts with their own human biology which
could well result in opportunism or gradual moral decline and taking
advantage of situations easiest concealed.
The whole notion of no sexual activity or self relief before marriage
in a society which liberates many of its youth is in itself likely to
isolate individuals from their own peer group in this regard and
precipitate the socially dysfunctional characters into adulthood void
of the necessary skills to socialise and seduce females they may find
attractive. Again high levels of sexual repression may result and
unduly negate an otherwise ideallly apparent religious individuals
character into one which is at conflict with itself in every aspect
of its psychology as to how to find and successfully court a suitable
mate! Some will associate this complete lack of natural human
behaviour as being down to their own unattractiveness or apparent
ability to please a prospective partner in ways they cant fathom but
are all to apparent in reality! This will naturally lead to wondering
whom, if anyone, may ever feel 'pleasured' by what they have to give
and so willingly want to beyond all reason!
Cue another mode of a human looking for any opportunities to find
affection/ physical attention and confirmation of their own
acceptibility to the opposite sex!
Time may lead such ones to contemplate outrageous outlets for their
feelings!
Those who successfully repress them without outlet may well become
characters totally unconfident about their inner self and some may end
up withS&M type characters and onew where the partner has to take a
lead to make them feel wanted!
It is still more complex than this but for the sake of brevity a few
strains of thought are here, for what I endeavoured to make a simple
scientific view, for consideration as to the why and how, of boys who
would otherwise be girls, who come to such unfortunate scenarios in
life as a result of their chromosome award and the permutation of
events that leads them into adulthood!
IP: 5B/negcBQ1h4RrZ5

Re: The Culability of Jehovah's Witnesses and Pedophilia 19-Jan-08
20:12 "Two witnesses..."
Why doesn't the Watchtower Society just come right out and advertise
it? "Jehovah's Witnesses: The first molestation is free. The second
one might cost ya."
Despicable.
IP: GiEiJphVhBrazOdh

Re: The Culability of Jehovah's Witnesses and Pedophilia 19-Jan-08
20:22 The irony is their indoctrination may well precipitate such
deviance as will any indoctrination which endeavours to completely
establish prohibition respecting natural human behaviour rather than
educating them to explore and understand it in healthy contexts.
Where you find one you will find the other! And so unless they
completely overhaul their doctrine they will perpetuate similar
traits in human behaviour! IMHO
It is a catch 22 for them and their followers!

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:47939A57.B5A@armory.com...

* JABRIOL, a Jehovah's Witness again tricked you good folks into reading
Watchtower propaganda he illegally plagiarizes from the WTS's CDs.

John, Clancy, McDonald, (impersonated by petty criminal JABRIOL) > wrote:

Usually, teenage depression is not due to one factor alone but to a
combination of stressors.�?��?"Dr. Kathleen McCoy.

WHAT causes teen depression? A number of factors may be involved. For
one thing, the physical and emotional changes brought on by puberty can
flood youths with uncertainty and fear, making them especially prone to
negative states of mind. Also, teens are often vulnerable to negative
emotions when they feel that they have been rejected by their peers or
by someone for whom they had developed romantic feelings. Then, too, as
noted in our opening article, today�?Ts teens are growing up in a world
that can be depressing in itself. We are indeed living in �?ocritical
times hard to deal with.�?��?"2 Timothy 3:1.

Compounding the problem, youths are facing the pressures of life for the
very first time, and they have neither the skills nor the experience of
adults. Hence, teens often become like tourists navigating through
unfamiliar territory�?"overwhelmed by their surroundings and, in many
cases, not inclined to ask for help. These conditions can become fertile
ground for the seeds of depression.

But there are a number of other factors that can contribute to teen
depression.

----------------
Bollocks. Teens get depressed because the society has disregarded their
real needs, and fails to meet them to make them happy and comfortable,
and no I don't mean WII's and iPods. I mean supervised PUBLIC SEX in
their gymn classes with every member of their class, and supervision
of teens while they are educated and at home so that they are never
allowed to abuse one another and that infractions of anti-bullying
rules are enforced harshly and unremittingly, until they see and
understand the benefits of such a social system and grow into wholly
respectful and respectable young people with good and completely
developed sexual interpersonal skills.

The ONLY reason teens are unhappy and depressed and moody and smoke
and get tattos and piercings and do drugs and alcohol and speed around
in cars and show-off and act stupid is their unmet need for sexual
affection and acceptance with and by all their peers.

Take a bunch of teens and exert sufficient political power to force
them to get naked and practice sex with all their peers until they
become totally comfortable doing so results in the end of nearly all
teen stressors, they get the sex they need as they will never need
it so badly again, and they learn how to generate friendship-based
sexual affection for anyone, and they become aware of the acceptance
and acceptibility of their own body and personality by everyone else,
and under close supervision they learn how to treat each other
politely and in a kind manner which is congnizant of the feelings,
fantasies, needs and insecurities of others. The western taboo against
nudity and sex has its origin in the resistance to the correction of
these stressors and friction between and among people who simply
aren't raised properly!!

The chief feature of every disease is that it resists mightily its
own cure. That is why this cure seems so radical. It's actually no
different than how human teens were raised among their very sexual
nude adult parents for hundreds of thousands of years before the
current religio-sexual superstition.
Steve

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:47939A57.B5A@armory.com...

* JABRIOL, a Jehovah's Witness again tricked you good folks into
reading Watchtower propaganda he illegally plagiarizes from the WTS's
CDs.

John, Clancy, McDonald, (impersonated by petty criminal JABRIOL) >
wrote:

Usually, teenage depression is not due to one factor alone but to a
combination of stressors.�?��?"Dr. Kathleen McCoy.

WHAT causes teen depression? A number of factors may be involved.
For one thing, the physical and emotional changes brought on by
puberty can flood youths with uncertainty and fear, making them
especially prone to negative states of mind. Also, teens are often
vulnerable to negative emotions when they feel that they have been
rejected by their peers or by someone for whom they had developed
romantic feelings. Then, too, as noted in our opening article,
today�?Ts teens are growing up in a world that can be depressing in
itself. We are indeed living in �?ocritical times hard to deal
with.�?��?"2 Timothy 3:1.

Compounding the problem, youths are facing the pressures of life
for the very first time, and they have neither the skills nor the
experience of adults. Hence, teens often become like tourists
navigating through unfamiliar territory�?"overwhelmed by their
surroundings and, in many cases, not inclined to ask for help.
These conditions can become fertile ground for the seeds of
depression.

But there are a number of other factors that can contribute to teen
depression.

----------------
Bollocks. Teens get depressed because the society has disregarded
their real needs, and fails to meet them to make them happy and
comfortable, and no I don't mean WII's and iPods. I mean supervised
PUBLIC SEX in their gymn classes with every member of their class,
and supervision
of teens while they are educated and at home so that they are never
allowed to abuse one another and that infractions of anti-bullying
rules are enforced harshly and unremittingly, until they see and
understand the benefits of such a social system and grow into wholly
respectful and respectable young people with good and completely
developed sexual interpersonal skills.

The ONLY reason teens are unhappy and depressed and moody and smoke
and get tattos and piercings and do drugs and alcohol and speed
around
in cars and show-off and act stupid is their unmet need for sexual
affection and acceptance with and by all their peers.

Take a bunch of teens and exert sufficient political power to force
them to get naked and practice sex with all their peers until they
become totally comfortable doing so results in the end of nearly all
teen stressors, they get the sex they need as they will never need
it so badly again, and they learn how to generate friendship-based
sexual affection for anyone, and they become aware of the acceptance
and acceptibility of their own body and personality by everyone else,
and under close supervision they learn how to treat each other
politely and in a kind manner which is congnizant of the feelings,
fantasies, needs and insecurities of others. The western taboo
against nudity and sex has its origin in the resistance to the
correction of these stressors and friction between and among people
who simply
aren't raised properly!!

The chief feature of every disease is that it resists mightily its
own cure. That is why this cure seems so radical. It's actually no
different than how human teens were raised among their very sexual
nude adult parents for hundreds of thousands of years before the
current religio-sexual superstition.
Steve

On Jan 20, 2:00 pm, "R. Steve Walz" <rste...@armory.com> wrote:

----------------
Bollocks. Teens get depressed because the society has disregarded their

On Jan 20, 2:00 pm, "R. Steve Walz" <rste...@armory.com> wrote:

----------------
Bollocks. Teens get depressed because the society has disregarded
their real needs, and fails to meet them to make them happy and
comfortable, and no I don't mean WII's and iPods. I mean supervised
PUBLIC SEX in their gymn classes with every member of their class,
and supervision of teens while they are educated and at home so that
they are never allowed to abuse one another and that infractions of
anti-bullying rules are enforced harshly and unremittingly, until
they see and understand the benefits of such a social system and
grow into wholly respectful and respectable young people with good
and completely developed sexual interpersonal skills.

The ONLY reason teens are unhappy and depressed and moody and smoke
and get tattos and piercings and do drugs and alcohol and speed
around in cars and show-off and act stupid is their unmet need for
sexual affection and acceptance with and by all their peers.

However, the teen years themselves are often the source of emotional
stress. Not having an adult's experience in handling life's ups and
downs, a youth can feel that no one cares and could become painfully
depressed over relatively commonplace matters.

Failing to measure up to the expectations of parents, teachers, or
friends is another cause of melancholy. Donald, for example, felt that
he had to excel in school to please his well-educated parents. Failing
to do that, he became depressed and suicidal. "I have never done
anything right. I have always let everybody down," lamented Donald.

That a sense of failure can kindle depression is evident from the case
of a man named Epaphroditus. During the first century, this faithful
Christian was sent on a special mission to assist the imprisoned
apostle Paul. But when he reached Paul he soon fell sick--and Paul,
instead, had to care for him! You can imagine, then, why Epaphroditus
might have felt like such a failure and became "depressed." Apparently
he overlooked all the good he had performed before he got sick.--
Philippians 2:25-30.

On 1/21/08 3:08 AM, in article
7af7c3b5-43a9-47f8-b923-836397f8f9e4@m34g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,
"the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 21, 4:22 am, John Clancy McDonald <""kookwoman1\"@kooksof
theworld.net"> wrote:

Usually, teenage depression is not due to one factor alone but to a
combination of stressors."--Dr. Kathleen McCoy.

WHAT causes teen depression? A number of factors may be involved.
For one thing, the physical and emotional changes brought on by
puberty can flood youths with uncertainty and fear, making them
especially prone to negative states of mind. Also, teens are often
vulnerable to negative emotions when they feel that they have been
rejected by their peers or by someone for whom they had developed
romantic feelings. Then, too, as noted in our opening article,
today's teens are growing up in a world that can be depressing in
itself. We are indeed living in "critical times hard to deal
with."--2 Timothy 3:1.

Compounding the problem, youths are facing the pressures of life
for the very first time, and they have neither the skills nor the
experience of adults. Hence, teens often become like tourists
navigating through unfamiliar territory--overwhelmed by their
surroundings and, in many cases, not inclined to ask for help.
These conditions can become fertile ground for the seeds of
depression.

But there are a number of other factors that can contribute to teen
depression.

the same factors produce clinical depression in one teen but not in
another. that's the really interesting problem. what's the
difference? quality of myelin sheathing and brain chemistry? quality
of home life and early childhood? intelligence?

Yeah about right. I tended to be totally paranoid when I was a
teen about what others thought. Tried to be better than them.
That worked - I got to be president of club stuff.

I'm 41 now, and however now don't really care what folk think.

Life - it's all a "you will die" type process. That's the way it
works, religion ain't gunna save you either.

you're gonna die right on schedule, whether you fret about it or not.
so you might as well not.