just testing new newsreader, no need to respond
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| User: "mighty mouse" |
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| Title: Re: test |
11 Apr 2006 08:50:24 AM |
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My newsreader (plain out outlook express) settings are showing the
organisation as blank, yet I'm reading the post with an organisation I've
never heard of.....would that be set by my ISP?
"mighty mouse" <kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:443bb2bf@news.comindico.com.au...
just testing new newsreader, no need to respond
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| User: "mighty mouse" |
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| Title: Re: test |
11 Apr 2006 09:01:56 AM |
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argh, I'm not explaining myself well. When I open the post fully in OE (not
just the preview) it lists a name as organisation which I haven't heard
of.....but looking at this post it also seems to list it as the news server
address. Perhaps my isp has outsourced their news server to someone else.
But I just looked at my post in google, and it's not showing up properly
there. Grr, maybe this is fate telling me I shouldn't be bothering to try
to post.
"mighty mouse" <kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:443bb41f@news.comindico.com.au...
My newsreader (plain out outlook express) settings are showing the
organisation as blank, yet I'm reading the post with an organisation I've
never heard of.....would that be set by my ISP?
"mighty mouse" <kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:443bb2bf@news.comindico.com.au...
just testing new newsreader, no need to respond
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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| Title: Re: test |
11 Apr 2006 05:39:02 PM |
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On 2006-04-11, mighty mouse <kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
"mighty mouse" <kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:443bb41f@news.comindico.com.au...
"mighty mouse" <kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:443bb2bf@news.comindico.com.au...
just testing new newsreader, no need to respond
My newsreader (plain out outlook express) settings are showing the
organisation as blank, yet I'm reading the post with an organisation I've
never heard of.....would that be set by my ISP?
argh, I'm not explaining myself well. When I open the post fully in OE (not
just the preview) it lists a name as organisation which I haven't heard
of.....but looking at this post it also seems to list it as the news server
address. Perhaps my isp has outsourced their news server to someone else.
There does seem to be some confusion about your news-service provider's
identity. Comindico went broke in 2004, and were bought by a different
company called SP Telemedia - see
<http://www.theage.com.au/news/Breaking/SP-Telemedia-buys-Comindico/2004/11
/01/1099262772224.html> or <http://makeashorterlink.com/?A232322FC>.
Directing my browser to <http://www.comindico.com.au> I get a brief
glimpse of a page saying that "SPT has a brand new name" before being
redirected to <http://soulaustralia.com.au/>. Whatever they are called,
they seem to be a 'wholesale' internet service supplier, among other things
(NBN Television, one80, digiplus, Kooee ... if any of those names mean
anything to you).
So your ISP (<http://www.optusnet.com.au/>?) is probably a retail
'reseller' of Soul (alias SPT alias Comindico) services. That sort of
thing is pretty common (although businesses are usually less confused
about what to call themselves).
Does that make sense to you?
But I just looked at my post in google, and it's not showing up properly
there. Grr, maybe this is fate telling me I shouldn't be bothering to try
to post.
Your posts look fine to me, both in my usual newsreader and in the Google
Groups interface. If you are confused by the way Google disguise email
addresses, you aren't the only one - Google are confused too, they think
they are somehow protecting people from spam, but they are hiding the
wrong part of the email address to do that properly - and the spam bots
will get the adddresses by scanning news-servers, not from Google, anyway.
If you click on the three dots in "mighty mouse" <kye...@NOSPAMyahoo.com>,
then (assuming you use a graphical browser with images enabled and are not
visually impaired) you see a silly distorted image of some letters which
you have to type into a box to prove that you aren't a robot; then you
will see the email addresses un-disguised. Stupid idea, but that's
Google's mistake not yours :))
It can take several hours for posts to show up at all in Google Groups;
most real news-servers are a lot quicker, often with only minutes or even
seconds 'lag'.
Legend has it that not so long ago, newsgroup and email messages were
carried on tape by a daily air flight to and from Australia; at least
there is a cable or a satellite now :)) (In Europe they were sometimes
carried by bicycle between neighbouring news-servers, as that was cheaper
than paying for a direct dial-up connection; probably quicker too, when
modem speeds were 'up to 9600 baud').
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-- Whiskers
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| User: "mighty mouse" |
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| Title: Re: test |
12 Apr 2006 04:15:03 AM |
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"Whiskers" <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:6pntg3-jsd.ln1@ID-107770.user.individual.net...
There does seem to be some confusion about your news-service provider's
identity. Comindico went broke in 2004, and were bought by a different
company called SP Telemedia - see
<http://www.theage.com.au/news/Breaking/SP-Telemedia-buys-Comindico/2004/11
/01/1099262772224.html> or <http://makeashorterlink.com/?A232322FC>.
Directing my browser to <http://www.comindico.com.au> I get a brief
glimpse of a page saying that "SPT has a brand new name" before being
redirected to <http://soulaustralia.com.au/>. Whatever they are called,
they seem to be a 'wholesale' internet service supplier, among other
things
(NBN Television, one80, digiplus, Kooee ... if any of those names mean
anything to you).
So your ISP (<http://www.optusnet.com.au/>?) is probably a retail
'reseller' of Soul (alias SPT alias Comindico) services. That sort of
thing is pretty common (although businesses are usually less confused
about what to call themselves).
Does that make sense to you?
I think so. Optusnet isn't my ISP, but they are one of the biggest ISP's in
the country. It would make sense that my small regional ISP would pay for
use of another companies news server rather than create their own. So
perhaps Optus are using SPT/Comindico's news server, and then my ISP is
paying Optus for it.
But I just looked at my post in google, and it's not showing up properly
there. Grr, maybe this is fate telling me I shouldn't be bothering to
try
to post.
Your posts look fine to me, both in my usual newsreader and in the Google
Groups interface. If you are confused by the way Google disguise email
addresses, you aren't the only one - Google are confused too, they think
they are somehow protecting people from spam, but they are hiding the
wrong part of the email address to do that properly - and the spam bots
will get the adddresses by scanning news-servers, not from Google, anyway.
Well, as long as it looks ok to everyone else, that's all that matters. I
don't want to annoy other asd'ers by messing up threads.
Legend has it that not so long ago, newsgroup and email messages were
carried on tape by a daily air flight to and from Australia; at least
there is a cable or a satellite now :)) (In Europe they were sometimes
carried by bicycle between neighbouring news-servers, as that was cheaper
than paying for a direct dial-up connection; probably quicker too, when
modem speeds were 'up to 9600 baud').
:) not much of a step up from carrier pidgeon :)
Thanks for your help Whiskers.
Kylie
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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| Title: Re: test |
12 Apr 2006 05:49:16 AM |
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On 2006-04-12, mighty mouse <kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
"Whiskers" <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:6pntg3-jsd.ln1@ID-107770.user.individual.net...
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Well, as long as it looks ok to everyone else, that's all that matters. I
don't want to annoy other asd'ers by messing up threads.
You'd have to try /really/ hard to do that :))
Legend has it that not so long ago, newsgroup and email messages were
carried on tape by a daily air flight to and from Australia; at least
there is a cable or a satellite now :)) (In Europe they were sometimes
carried by bicycle between neighbouring news-servers, as that was cheaper
than paying for a direct dial-up connection; probably quicker too, when
modem speeds were 'up to 9600 baud').
:) not much of a step up from carrier pidgeon :)
Not as messy though <G>
Thanks for your help Whiskers.
Mammals of the World, Unite!
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-- Whiskers
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: test |
12 Apr 2006 05:16:28 PM |
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mighty mouse wrote:
I think so. Optusnet isn't my ISP, but they are one of the biggest ISP's in
the country. It would make sense that my small regional ISP would pay for
use of another companies news server rather than create their own. So
perhaps Optus are using SPT/Comindico's news server, and then my ISP is
paying Optus for it.
That's how comcast does it, they outsource news service to giganews. Who
knows how long that'll last for. I'm guessing that any day now they'll
pull and AOL and just shut off this ancient, antiquated and dead
communication medium of ours.
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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| Title: Re: test |
13 Apr 2006 06:55:21 AM |
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On 2006-04-12, Franz Bestuchev <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
mighty mouse wrote:
I think so. Optusnet isn't my ISP, but they are one of the biggest ISP's in
the country. It would make sense that my small regional ISP would pay for
use of another companies news server rather than create their own. So
perhaps Optus are using SPT/Comindico's news server, and then my ISP is
paying Optus for it.
That's how comcast does it, they outsource news service to giganews. Who
knows how long that'll last for. I'm guessing that any day now they'll
pull and AOL and just shut off this ancient, antiquated and dead
communication medium of ours.
I think that from an ISP's point of view, the problem is that the medium
is anything but 'dead'; binary groups seem to be growing in popularity, as
people share their pirated 'stuff'. That puts a huge load on the
infrastructure of news-servers carrying binary groups, thus increasing the
cost of maintaining a service for which the ISP gains no revenue and
generating lots of user complaints and requests for new groups - all of
which have to be dealt with. Then there is the fear that a 'carrier'
could become involved in law-suits over the illicit distribution of
copyright or patented material, or 'obscenity'.
I think there is quite a strong case for encouraging ISPs to stop carrying
the binary groups but continuing with the original type of text-only
group, as they require vastly less 'infrastructure' and have much less
potential for legal problems. Sadly, ISPs don't seem to have technicians
who are capable of understanding the difference and implementing systems
that would eliminate binaries, so it's easier for them to just stop all
newsgroups.
NSPs (News Service Providers) who offer reliable binary 'feeds' tend to
have fairly high fees, and stringent 'terms of service'. Let the binary
bunnies pay, I say :))
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-- Whiskers
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: test |
13 Apr 2006 10:48:29 AM |
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Whiskers wrote:
On 2006-04-12, Franz Bestuchev <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
mighty mouse wrote:
I think so. Optusnet isn't my ISP, but they are one of the biggest ISP's in
the country. It would make sense that my small regional ISP would pay for
use of another companies news server rather than create their own. So
perhaps Optus are using SPT/Comindico's news server, and then my ISP is
paying Optus for it.
That's how comcast does it, they outsource news service to giganews. Who
knows how long that'll last for. I'm guessing that any day now they'll
pull and AOL and just shut off this ancient, antiquated and dead
communication medium of ours.
I think that from an ISP's point of view, the problem is that the medium
is anything but 'dead'; binary groups seem to be growing in popularity, as
people share their pirated 'stuff'. That puts a huge load on the
infrastructure of news-servers carrying binary groups, thus increasing the
cost of maintaining a service for which the ISP gains no revenue and
generating lots of user complaints and requests for new groups - all of
which have to be dealt with. Then there is the fear that a 'carrier'
could become involved in law-suits over the illicit distribution of
copyright or patented material, or 'obscenity'.
I think there is quite a strong case for encouraging ISPs to stop carrying
the binary groups but continuing with the original type of text-only
group, as they require vastly less 'infrastructure' and have much less
potential for legal problems. Sadly, ISPs don't seem to have technicians
who are capable of understanding the difference and implementing systems
that would eliminate binaries, so it's easier for them to just stop all
newsgroups.
NSPs (News Service Providers) who offer reliable binary 'feeds' tend to
have fairly high fees, and stringent 'terms of service'. Let the binary
bunnies pay, I say :))
My ISP experience is that it's been several years since I've had service
where their news server offered binary groups. They sort of wised up
really quick once broadband came on the scene and people were willing to
grab gigs off their news server. I'm just seeing them shift the
responsibility to the "Comcast" giganews account, and I'm not sure how
long they'll be willing to pay these 3rd party companies to provide the
service.
I just cancelled my giganews silver account, I was using it to keep tabs
on the beginning of the Sopranos season but I've got to cut down on
costs - so the €10 that NIN costs per year is reasonable and they've
been good to me when I've needed to communicate with them.
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