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25 May 2004 11:07:22 PM |
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The alt.suicide* groups |
Man they are *seriously* depressing. Especially methods and holiday.
*sigh*. People seem to give up at the drop of a hat these days.
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26 May 2004 07:05:50 AM |
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"." <asspunch@punkass.com> wrote in message
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Man they are *seriously* depressing. Especially methods and holiday.
*sigh*. People seem to give up at the drop of a hat these days.
I despise those groups. Man, could I go on about it.
What really bothers me about them are the people that have been posting there
for YEARS advising the new people what to do, how to do it, and then giving them
the ol' "may you find peace" line as they go off to test their new information.
Death fetishists.
There should be a law.
Jean
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| Title: Re: The alt.suicide* groups |
26 May 2004 07:58:54 AM |
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In article <2hjfghFdo0tgU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote:
What really bothers me about them ...
And then you have the idiots right here who deal with someone's suicidal
ideation by saying, "Oh, you shouldn't be talking like that HERE, it's
very inappropriate, you should go over to A.S.H. for THAT." Oh, yes, of
course, so sorry, thank you thank you thank you.
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| User: "Luna" |
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26 May 2004 10:35:44 AM |
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"RGB's Neighbot" <-@-.-> wrote in message
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In article <2hjfghFdo0tgU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote:
What really bothers me about them ...
And then you have the idiots right here who deal with someone's suicidal
ideation by saying, "Oh, you shouldn't be talking like that HERE, it's
very inappropriate, you should go over to A.S.H. for THAT." Oh, yes, of
course, so sorry, thank you thank you thank you.
Well. People who are determined to kill themselves and go on about methods and
troll for "suicide buddies" aren't welcomed much by me here.
Jean
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| User: "RGBs Neighbot" |
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| Title: Re: The alt.suicide* groups |
26 May 2004 09:53:55 PM |
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In article <2hjrq4Fdrha9U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote:
And then you have the idiots right here who deal with someone's suicidal
ideation by saying, "Oh, you shouldn't be talking like that HERE, it's
very inappropriate, you should go over to A.S.H. for THAT." Oh, yes, of
course, so sorry, thank you thank you thank you.
Well. People who are determined to kill themselves and go on about
methods and troll for "suicide buddies" aren't welcomed much by me here.
Doesn't mean you have to help them find what they're looking for. You
can object to what they're doing without pointing out that there is, in
fact, where people will be more than glad to help them kill themselves.
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| User: "RGBs Neighbot" |
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| Title: Re: The alt.suicide* groups |
26 May 2004 09:59:49 PM |
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In article <--BD9E97.19543126052004@news.easynews.com>,
RGB's Neighbot <-@-.-> wrote:
fact, where people will be more than glad to help them kill themselves.
EROTICA: "... fact, A PLACE where ..."
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: The alt.suicide* groups |
26 May 2004 10:07:51 PM |
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"RGB's Neighbot" <-@-.-> wrote in message
news:--B66A08.19594926052004@news.easynews.com...
In article <--BD9E97.19543126052004@news.easynews.com>,
RGB's Neighbot <-@-.-> wrote:
fact, where people will be more than glad to help them kill themselves.
EROTICA: "... fact, A PLACE where ..."
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: The alt.suicide* groups |
26 May 2004 10:28:14 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
% wrote:
"RGB's Neighbot" <-@-.-> wrote in message
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In article <--BD9E97.19543126052004@news.easynews.com>,
RGB's Neighbot <-@-.-> wrote:
fact, where people will be more than glad to help them kill themselves.
EROTICA: "... fact, A PLACE where ..."
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| User: "Trishamolson" |
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| Title: Re: The alt.suicide* groups |
26 May 2004 09:00:50 AM |
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And then you have the idiots right here who deal with someone's suicidal
ideation by saying, "Oh, you shouldn't be talking like that HERE, it's
very inappropriate, you should go over to A.S.H. for THAT." Oh, yes, of
course, so sorry, thank you thank you thank you.
Yes! Nodding head in strong agreement.
Rosena
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| User: "Ally" |
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27 May 2004 04:47:23 AM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 12:58:54 GMT, RGB's Neighbot <-@-.-> wrote:
In article <2hjfghFdo0tgU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote:
What really bothers me about them ...
And then you have the idiots right here who deal with someone's suicidal
ideation by saying, "Oh, you shouldn't be talking like that HERE, it's
very inappropriate, you should go over to A.S.H. for THAT." Oh, yes, of
course, so sorry, thank you thank you thank you.
Well that sure is the truth. They don't want anyone soiling the
little Stepford town they have going here.
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| User: "PeAcE" |
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27 May 2004 06:10:00 AM |
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Ally wrote in news:p3ebb0503ei7ve76m2bmqdqlrnndkj8471@4ax.com:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 12:58:54 GMT, RGB's Neighbot <-@-.-> wrote:
In article <2hjfghFdo0tgU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote:
What really bothers me about them ...
And then you have the idiots right here who deal with someone's
suicidal ideation by saying, "Oh, you shouldn't be talking like that
HERE, it's very inappropriate, you should go over to A.S.H. for THAT."
Oh, yes, of course, so sorry, thank you thank you thank you.
Well that sure is the truth. They don't want anyone soiling the
little Stepford town they have going here.
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Ally
I have just come from there after being an ASHer for four months but it
is very much like a town where I feel like a BIG outsider even though I
share many views of the ppl there.
Its not as bad as ppl make out though really, yes I did get some hints
from there. I still alternate from being suicidally depressed and not so
perhaps i should go back?!
There are some really nice ppl, but at the same time I have found it hard
to feel like I belong. PPl throw rules around that were made up over ten
years ago. I have seen ppl being referred to here and im sure i will see
referrals going the opposite way but does it matter wherever some ones
feet lands for support? Perhaps some ppl aren't looking for support, just
a space, any space to vent.
I went there for obvious reasons, got my methods, little support but
plenty of space.But hey others might be able to say the opposite.
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PeAcE
If you don't stand for nothing, then you will fall for anything
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| User: "Ally" |
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27 May 2004 08:18:13 AM |
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 11:10:00 GMT, PeAcE <spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Ally wrote in news:p3ebb0503ei7ve76m2bmqdqlrnndkj8471@4ax.com:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 12:58:54 GMT, RGB's Neighbot <-@-.-> wrote:
In article <2hjfghFdo0tgU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote:
What really bothers me about them ...
And then you have the idiots right here who deal with someone's
suicidal ideation by saying, "Oh, you shouldn't be talking like that
HERE, it's very inappropriate, you should go over to A.S.H. for THAT."
Oh, yes, of course, so sorry, thank you thank you thank you.
Well that sure is the truth. They don't want anyone soiling the
little Stepford town they have going here.
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Ally
I have seen ppl being referred to here and im sure i will see
referrals going the opposite way but does it matter wherever some ones
feet lands for support?
IF they get the support they need that's good but my point is they
don't send posters there for the poster's own good or for him/her to
get support. They send the poster there so that that he/she won't be
HERE contaminating their little gated community.
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Ally
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| User: "PeAcE" |
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27 May 2004 08:45:54 AM |
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Ally wrote in news:bvpbb0thsabb2pjpq28jsuv9qbo85t18e8@4ax.com:
On Thu, 27 May 2004 11:10:00 GMT, PeAcE <spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Ally wrote in news:p3ebb0503ei7ve76m2bmqdqlrnndkj8471@4ax.com:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 12:58:54 GMT, RGB's Neighbot <-@-.-> wrote:
In article <2hjfghFdo0tgU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote:
What really bothers me about them ...
And then you have the idiots right here who deal with someone's
suicidal ideation by saying, "Oh, you shouldn't be talking like that
HERE, it's very inappropriate, you should go over to A.S.H. for
THAT." Oh, yes, of course, so sorry, thank you thank you thank you.
Well that sure is the truth. They don't want anyone soiling the
little Stepford town they have going here.
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Ally
I have seen ppl being referred to here and im sure i will see
referrals going the opposite way but does it matter wherever some ones
feet lands for support?
IF they get the support they need that's good but my point is they
don't send posters there for the poster's own good or for him/her to
get support. They send the poster there so that that he/she won't be
HERE contaminating their little gated community.
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Ally
IC, i think i have been made to feel more welcome here than over in ash.
At the same time i realise im a newbie so will put out some ppl here. Im
sure its hard to break through to ppl in places like these given what ppl
suffer from and this is part of the www. We all have to watch our backs
but denying someone cos they are suicidal to come here seems harsh, who
owns these groups anyway, is it always the ones who have subsribed to the
group the longest.
For me suicide has always been part of my illness so i guess i may have
to contaminate.... referring ppl doesn't make much sense, ppl go where
and when they want.... wherever I lay my hat aint my home anymore. lol
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PeAcE
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| User: "Ally" |
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27 May 2004 09:10:41 AM |
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:45:54 GMT, PeAcE <spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Ally wrote in news:bvpbb0thsabb2pjpq28jsuv9qbo85t18e8@4ax.com:
On Thu, 27 May 2004 11:10:00 GMT, PeAcE <spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Ally wrote in news:p3ebb0503ei7ve76m2bmqdqlrnndkj8471@4ax.com:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 12:58:54 GMT, RGB's Neighbot <-@-.-> wrote:
In article <2hjfghFdo0tgU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote:
What really bothers me about them ...
And then you have the idiots right here who deal with someone's
suicidal ideation by saying, "Oh, you shouldn't be talking like that
HERE, it's very inappropriate, you should go over to A.S.H. for
THAT." Oh, yes, of course, so sorry, thank you thank you thank you.
Well that sure is the truth. They don't want anyone soiling the
little Stepford town they have going here.
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Ally
I have seen ppl being referred to here and im sure i will see
referrals going the opposite way but does it matter wherever some ones
feet lands for support?
IF they get the support they need that's good but my point is they
don't send posters there for the poster's own good or for him/her to
get support. They send the poster there so that that he/she won't be
HERE contaminating their little gated community.
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Ally
IC, i think i have been made to feel more welcome here than over in ash.
At the same time i realise im a newbie so will put out some ppl here. Im
sure its hard to break through to ppl in places like these given what ppl
suffer from and this is part of the www. We all have to watch our backs
but denying someone cos they are suicidal to come here seems harsh,
It is harsh of course but judging from the responses you've gotten so
far you probably won't be jumped on too quickly. ;-)
who
owns these groups anyway, is it always the ones who have subsribed to the
group the longest.
Pretty much. They'll deny it of course but it definitely is a 'good
ol' boys club' here.
For me suicide has always been part of my illness so i guess i may have
to contaminate.... referring ppl doesn't make much sense, ppl go where
and when they want....
Some aren't quite as strong as you are though and will allow
themselves to be directed where to go.
wherever I lay my hat aint my home anymore. lol
Well good luck whenever and wherever you lay your hat. ;-)
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27 May 2004 10:41:10 AM |
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PeAcE wrote...
We all have to watch our backs
but denying someone cos they are suicidal to come here seems harsh, who
owns these groups anyway, is it always the ones who have subsribed to the
group the longest.
My experience here has been that many people are suicidal, but I've
never seen (although I concede that it may have happened) people being
told they are in the wrong group. This group is generally quite
supportive and less cynical than the suicide.* groups, which makes sense
I guess.
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27 May 2004 03:33:31 PM |
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.. <asspunch@punkass.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1b20b71ee6fb153f989860@news.individual.net:
PeAcE wrote...
We all have to watch our backs
but denying someone cos they are suicidal to come here seems harsh,
who owns these groups anyway, is it always the ones who have
subsribed to the group the longest.
My experience here has been that many people are suicidal, but I've
never seen (although I concede that it may have happened) people being
told they are in the wrong group. This group is generally quite
supportive and less cynical than the suicide.* groups, which makes
sense I guess.
Aha , i know where ive seen u now.
I feel a bit sheepish now, I reacted so badly to the ppl here and im bowled
over by ppl who ignored that and turned me around. In a way i feel more
welcome here and a little more relaxed.
I' m obviously going to hang out here a bit more often, cant seem to stay
away now.
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| User: "Doug" |
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27 May 2004 03:45:19 PM |
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"PeAcE" <spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Xns94F6DB4E9255Eyssatsyahoocouk@194.117.158.43...
. <asspunch@punkass.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1b20b71ee6fb153f989860@news.individual.net:
PeAcE wrote...
We all have to watch our backs
but denying someone cos they are suicidal to come here seems harsh,
who owns these groups anyway, is it always the ones who have
subsribed to the group the longest.
My experience here has been that many people are suicidal, but I've
never seen (although I concede that it may have happened) people being
told they are in the wrong group. This group is generally quite
supportive and less cynical than the suicide.* groups, which makes
sense I guess.
Aha , i know where ive seen u now.
I feel a bit sheepish now, I reacted so badly to the ppl here and im
bowled
over by ppl who ignored that and turned me around. In a way i feel more
welcome here and a little more relaxed.
I' m obviously going to hang out here a bit more often, cant seem to stay
away now.
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PeAcE
Careful! Like all newsgroups, a few nasty people will pop up every now and
then.
Then, of course, are the personalities that get after each other every now
and then. Sometimes they make up, sometimes not.
I think when people have a hard time coping with life's problems, anyone
might find getting along with all of them tough at times.
Don'tcha think it is OK to be a little thick skinned under the
circumstances, that is don't take things too personally and certainly don't
make any assumptions.
The best anyone here can really do is to be impecible in his word, right?
When someone else thinks they have to win, well what the heck, let 'em.
All you can do is your best.
Enough folks get stomped on for little things, this group doesn't need to
exacerbate bad feelings that already caused someone to show up on the
doorstep.
Hope you find the care about you and the understanding you can appreciate
here. People come and go btw so don't be upset when someone drifts off
without notice.
FWIW, some topics set folks off here, called triggers. Do you know what
triggers are? If not, post a question about what you might need to post
warnings about and someone will quickly help you understand how to avoid
talking about triggering subjects.
Doug
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27 May 2004 08:36:55 PM |
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 20:33:31 GMT, PeAcE <spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
<(((*> I feel a bit sheepish now, I reacted so badly to the ppl here and im bowled
<(((*> over by ppl who ignored that and turned me around.
No need to feel sheepish. You reacted honestly to what you
thought was going on.
In fact there are a few (a very few, thank goodness) racist
posters here, and you might easily have fallen upon one of their
posts.
<(((*> In a way i feel more
<(((*> welcome here and a little more relaxed.
I'm glad to hear that, I've been here on and off (mostly on)
since 1995, and there are quite a few of us "old-timers". One
reason I like to stay here is that people really do care about
one another.
<(((*> I' m obviously going to hang out here a bit more often, cant seem to stay
<(((*> away now.
LOL. It can be addictive!
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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27 May 2004 08:57:58 PM |
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PeAcE wrote:
. <asspunch@punkass.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1b20b71ee6fb153f989860@news.individual.net:
PeAcE wrote...
We all have to watch our backs
but denying someone cos they are suicidal to come here seems harsh,
who owns these groups anyway, is it always the ones who have
subsribed to the group the longest.
My experience here has been that many people are suicidal, but I've
never seen (although I concede that it may have happened) people
being told they are in the wrong group. This group is generally quite
supportive and less cynical than the suicide.* groups, which makes
sense I guess.
Aha , i know where ive seen u now.
I feel a bit sheepish now, I reacted so badly to the ppl here and im
bowled over by ppl who ignored that and turned me around. In a way i
feel more welcome here and a little more relaxed.
I' m obviously going to hang out here a bit more often, cant seem to
stay away now.
I think the only time people have been told they are in the wrong group is
if they are seeking advice on how to commit suicide. I certainly have no
problems with anyone expressing the wish to attempt suicide, we have all
been there and I will do my utmost to continue to advocate life rather than
death. However is someone is determined and does not want to listen to
reasons for living then I would advice them to seek advice elsewhere.
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Regards Lee
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
enthusiasm. ~ Sir Winston Churchill
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27 May 2004 08:59:29 PM |
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"Flashfire" <ramblinin@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:40b69a37$0$2300$61ce578d@news.syd.swiftdsl.com.au...
PeAcE wrote:
. <asspunch@punkass.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1b20b71ee6fb153f989860@news.individual.net:
PeAcE wrote...
We all have to watch our backs
but denying someone cos they are suicidal to come here seems harsh,
who owns these groups anyway, is it always the ones who have
subsribed to the group the longest.
My experience here has been that many people are suicidal, but I've
never seen (although I concede that it may have happened) people
being told they are in the wrong group. This group is generally quite
supportive and less cynical than the suicide.* groups, which makes
sense I guess.
Aha , i know where ive seen u now.
I feel a bit sheepish now, I reacted so badly to the ppl here and im
bowled over by ppl who ignored that and turned me around. In a way i
feel more welcome here and a little more relaxed.
I' m obviously going to hang out here a bit more often, cant seem to
stay away now.
I think the only time people have been told they are in the wrong group is
if they are seeking advice on how to commit suicide. I certainly have no
problems with anyone expressing the wish to attempt suicide, we have all
been there and I will do my utmost to continue to advocate life rather
than
death. However is someone is determined and does not want to listen to
reasons for living then I would advice them to seek advice elsewhere.
--
Regards Lee
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
enthusiasm. ~ Sir Winston Churchill
i have never been there so , you're wrong
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26 May 2004 10:59:22 AM |
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.. <asspunch@punkass.com> wrote in
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Man they are *seriously* depressing. Especially methods and holiday.
*sigh*. People seem to give up at the drop of a hat these days.
i read that group after u mentioned it here...
very disturbing stuff to say the least ..
but still part of society .. and if there are people that are posting
there, instead of doing it. . then I think that in one way it is saving
them.
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26 May 2004 11:25:50 AM |
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wrote...
i read that group after u mentioned it here...
very disturbing stuff to say the least ..
but still part of society .. and if there are people that are posting
there, instead of doing it. . then I think that in one way it is saving
them.
heh. Good point :)
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26 May 2004 05:56:27 AM |
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.. <asspunch@punkass.com> wrote in news:MPG.1b1ec2fa62e99896989840
@news.individual.net:
Man they are *seriously* depressing. Especially methods and holiday.
*sigh*. People seem to give up at the drop of a hat these days.
No, they're just smarter than idiots who remain optimistic when there's no
reason to be.
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26 May 2004 06:11:00 AM |
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Jamal Chapultapec wrote...
No, they're just smarter than idiots who remain optimistic when there's no
reason to be.
You didn't read my californian rocket fuel post?
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| User: "Jamal Chapultapec" |
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26 May 2004 10:32:40 PM |
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.. <asspunch@punkass.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1b1f2650ff2ef9c798984a@news.individual.net:
Jamal Chapultapec wrote...
No, they're just smarter than idiots who remain optimistic when
there's no reason to be.
You didn't read my californian rocket fuel post?
Uhm ... no.
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| User: "foolio" |
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| Title: Re: The alt.suicide* groups |
26 May 2004 09:21:48 AM |
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Jamal Chapultapec wrote:
.. <asspunch@punkass.com> wrote in news:MPG.1b1ec2fa62e99896989840
@news.individual.net:
Man they are *seriously* depressing. Especially methods and holiday.
*sigh*. People seem to give up at the drop of a hat these days.
No, they're just smarter than idiots who remain optimistic when there's no
reason to be.
tic tic booooom!
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| User: "foolio" |
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| Title: Re: The alt.suicide* groups |
26 May 2004 09:21:22 AM |
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.. wrote:
Man they are *seriously* depressing. Especially methods and holiday.
*sigh*. People seem to give up at the drop of a hat these days.
no more depressing than here imo
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: The alt.suicide* groups |
25 May 2004 11:15:43 PM |
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ouuu , scary places to hang out
"." <asspunch@punkass.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b1ec2fa62e99896989840@news.individual.net...
Man they are *seriously* depressing. Especially methods and holiday.
*sigh*. People seem to give up at the drop of a hat these days.
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