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"Winston Smith" |
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12 Oct 2004 08:27:46 PM |
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The hardest thing to learn is |
that it's really all up to you. What you do, how you feel, what you think,
it's all up to you. That's what Abraham Lincoln meant when he said you can
either by happy or sad, it's up to you (very very paraphrased). Ppl. say to
look within, or that something should come from within. That's total
nonsensical (which isn't a word, btw, but a lot of folks are using it) doggy
doodoo. That's the big mistake we make; looking at ppl. we think aren't
depressed or whatever and imagining that something must be springing up from
within them which we don't have, propping them up and so we try to find a
way for that to happen to us. Maybe a pill will do it; something that will
get us high, something that will make that inner geyser burst forth. You can
get up or not get up. It's up to you. If you think it isn't up to you then
it really feels like it isn't and you don't want to be told that it is --
but if you tell yourself that it's up to you and believe it, you will be
able to get up (this also speaks to not really wanting to get up because you
have to go to a job you hate -- which mean that ppl. are depressed for real,
good, reasons, not because of a chemical imbalance, not because they should
be enjoying work if only something wasn't wrong with them...).
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: The hardest thing to learn is |
12 Oct 2004 08:30:03 PM |
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"Winston Smith" <someone@someone.net> wrote in message
news:cki0ai$707$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu...
that it's really all up to you. What you do, how you feel, what you think,
it's all up to you. That's what Abraham Lincoln meant when he said you can
either by happy or sad, it's up to you (very very paraphrased). Ppl. say
to
look within, or that something should come from within. That's total
nonsensical (which isn't a word, btw, but a lot of folks are using it)
doggy
doodoo. That's the big mistake we make; looking at ppl. we think aren't
depressed or whatever and imagining that something must be springing up
from
within them which we don't have, propping them up and so we try to find a
way for that to happen to us. Maybe a pill will do it; something that will
get us high, something that will make that inner geyser burst forth. You
can
get up or not get up. It's up to you. If you think it isn't up to you then
it really feels like it isn't and you don't want to be told that it is --
but if you tell yourself that it's up to you and believe it, you will be
able to get up (this also speaks to not really wanting to get up because
you
have to go to a job you hate -- which mean that ppl. are depressed for
real,
good, reasons, not because of a chemical imbalance, not because they
should
be enjoying work if only something wasn't wrong with them...).
well , you and ol Abeie baby are wrong and there was no hard learning
involved
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| User: "Winston Smith" |
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| Title: Re: The hardest thing to learn is |
12 Oct 2004 09:11:37 PM |
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"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
news:10mp1b05l3l6mfc@corp.supernews.com...
"Winston Smith" <someone@someone.net> wrote in message
news:cki0ai$707$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu...
that it's really all up to you. What you do, how you feel, what you
think,
it's all up to you. That's what Abraham Lincoln meant when he said you
can
either by happy or sad, it's up to you (very very paraphrased). Ppl. say
to
look within, or that something should come from within. That's total
nonsensical (which isn't a word, btw, but a lot of folks are using it)
doggy
doodoo. That's the big mistake we make; looking at ppl. we think aren't
depressed or whatever and imagining that something must be springing up
from
within them which we don't have, propping them up and so we try to find
a
way for that to happen to us. Maybe a pill will do it; something that
will
get us high, something that will make that inner geyser burst forth. You
can
get up or not get up. It's up to you. If you think it isn't up to you
then
it really feels like it isn't and you don't want to be told that it
is --
but if you tell yourself that it's up to you and believe it, you will be
able to get up (this also speaks to not really wanting to get up because
you
have to go to a job you hate -- which mean that ppl. are depressed for
real,
good, reasons, not because of a chemical imbalance, not because they
should
be enjoying work if only something wasn't wrong with them...).
well , you and ol Abeie baby are wrong and there was no hard learning
involved
I just wish you were willing to say why you think that. Maybe someone else
will, I hope. Is it hard to learn that an assertion should be followed by
supporting statements, that this is how a paragraph is structured? I seem to
recall learning this in about 3.2 seconds.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: The hardest thing to learn is |
12 Oct 2004 09:22:28 PM |
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"Winston Smith" <someone@someone.net> wrote in message
news:cki2so$7ou$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu...
"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
news:10mp1b05l3l6mfc@corp.supernews.com...
"Winston Smith" <someone@someone.net> wrote in message
news:cki0ai$707$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu...
that it's really all up to you. What you do, how you feel, what you
think,
it's all up to you. That's what Abraham Lincoln meant when he said you
can
either by happy or sad, it's up to you (very very paraphrased). Ppl.
say
to
look within, or that something should come from within. That's total
nonsensical (which isn't a word, btw, but a lot of folks are using it)
doggy
doodoo. That's the big mistake we make; looking at ppl. we think
aren't
depressed or whatever and imagining that something must be springing
up
from
within them which we don't have, propping them up and so we try to
find
a
way for that to happen to us. Maybe a pill will do it; something that
will
get us high, something that will make that inner geyser burst forth.
You
can
get up or not get up. It's up to you. If you think it isn't up to you
then
it really feels like it isn't and you don't want to be told that it
is --
but if you tell yourself that it's up to you and believe it, you will
be
able to get up (this also speaks to not really wanting to get up
because
you
have to go to a job you hate -- which mean that ppl. are depressed for
real,
good, reasons, not because of a chemical imbalance, not because they
should
be enjoying work if only something wasn't wrong with them...).
well , you and ol Abeie baby are wrong and there was no hard learning
involved
I just wish you were willing to say why you think that. Maybe someone else
will, I hope. Is it hard to learn that an assertion should be followed by
supporting statements, that this is how a paragraph is structured? I seem
to
recall learning this in about 3.2 seconds.
well I'm afraid you've made another mistake now ,
I don't have to explain why you're wrong ,
and even if I was to offer an explanation to support my submission ,
you would only seek ways to poke holes in it ,
in an effort to create some kind of argument or a battle in philosophy ,
which would support my point that you are wrong because ,
a person who was truly content and happy ,
wouldn't have to search depression groups looking for fights ,
so you yourself are my proof that its not all up to you ,
and now even having said this much in response ,
I'll stand back and await the hole poking that your so at peace with
yourself self
will offer
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| User: "sortfaar" |
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| Title: Re: The hardest thing to learn is |
13 Oct 2004 04:09:36 AM |
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"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message news:<10mp4de5arc8987@corp.supernews.com>...
"Winston Smith" <someone@someone.net> wrote in message
news:cki2so$7ou$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu...
"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
news:10mp1b05l3l6mfc@corp.supernews.com...
"Winston Smith" <someone@someone.net> wrote in message
news:cki0ai$707$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu...
that it's really all up to you. What you do, how you feel, what you
think,
it's all up to you. That's what Abraham Lincoln meant when he said you
can
either by happy or sad, it's up to you (very very paraphrased). Ppl.
say
to
look within, or that something should come from within. That's total
nonsensical (which isn't a word, btw, but a lot of folks are using it)
doggy
doodoo. That's the big mistake we make; looking at ppl. we think
aren't
depressed or whatever and imagining that something must be springing
up
from
within them which we don't have, propping them up and so we try to
find
a
way for that to happen to us. Maybe a pill will do it; something that
will
get us high, something that will make that inner geyser burst forth.
You
can
get up or not get up. It's up to you. If you think it isn't up to you
then
it really feels like it isn't and you don't want to be told that it
is --
but if you tell yourself that it's up to you and believe it, you will
be
able to get up (this also speaks to not really wanting to get up
because
you
have to go to a job you hate -- which mean that ppl. are depressed for
real,
good, reasons, not because of a chemical imbalance, not because they
should
be enjoying work if only something wasn't wrong with them...).
well , you and ol Abeie baby are wrong and there was no hard learning
involved
I just wish you were willing to say why you think that. Maybe someone else
will, I hope. Is it hard to learn that an assertion should be followed by
supporting statements, that this is how a paragraph is structured? I seem
to
recall learning this in about 3.2 seconds.
well I'm afraid you've made another mistake now ,
I don't have to explain why you're wrong ,
and even if I was to offer an explanation to support my submission ,
you would only seek ways to poke holes in it ,
in an effort to create some kind of argument or a battle in philosophy ,
which would support my point that you are wrong because ,
a person who was truly content and happy ,
wouldn't have to search depression groups looking for fights ,
so you yourself are my proof that its not all up to you ,
and now even having said this much in response ,
I'll stand back and await the hole poking that your so at peace with
yourself self
will offer
"The hardest thing to learn" for this person will clearly be the
simple fact that sometimes he just doesn't know what he's talking
about. What he says is only true for people who are either not
depressed (this idiot seems to think that sadness=depression!) or
suffer from a mild situational depression. I wonder how such people
explain bipolars? Sometimes I just "choose" to be depressed and not
work, and sometimes I "choose" to be happy & energetic, for no good
reason, regardless of what my life is like at the moment??? How do you
argue against such a stupid proposition? One might as well argue
against the claim that depression is caused by pixies casting a spell
on you.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: The hardest thing to learn is |
13 Oct 2004 02:57:12 PM |
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In message <cki0ai$707$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu>, Winston Smith
<someone@someone.net> writes
that it's really all up to you. What you do, how you feel, what you think,
it's all up to you. That's what Abraham Lincoln meant when he said you can
either by happy or sad, it's up to you (very very paraphrased).
If Lincoln did say something like that (and even great presidents have
their off days), he couldn't apply it to his own life. He suffered from
recurrent bouts of severe depression for most of his adult life. If you
want to look it up, he called it hypochondria in his diaries, or 'The
Hypo'.
The rest of your piece is as accurate. Happy pills, indeed!
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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| Title: Re: The hardest thing to learn is |
13 Oct 2004 04:56:59 PM |
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On 2004-10-13, Winston Smith <someone@someone.net> wrote:
that it's really all up to you. What you do, how you feel, what you think,
it's all up to you. That's what Abraham Lincoln meant when he said you can
either by happy or sad, it's up to you (very very paraphrased). Ppl. say to
look within, or that something should come from within. That's total
nonsensical (which isn't a word, btw, but a lot of folks are using it) doggy
doodoo. That's the big mistake we make; looking at ppl. we think aren't
depressed or whatever and imagining that something must be springing up from
within them which we don't have, propping them up and so we try to find a
way for that to happen to us. Maybe a pill will do it; something that will
get us high, something that will make that inner geyser burst forth. You can
get up or not get up. It's up to you. If you think it isn't up to you then
it really feels like it isn't and you don't want to be told that it is --
but if you tell yourself that it's up to you and believe it, you will be
able to get up (this also speaks to not really wanting to get up because you
have to go to a job you hate -- which mean that ppl. are depressed for real,
good, reasons, not because of a chemical imbalance, not because they should
be enjoying work if only something wasn't wrong with them...).
I'm guessing that you aren't this Winston Smith
<http://www.winstonsmith.com/gallery/book1/>.
Perhaps your new school will be able to teach you how to think and write
coherently. Good Luck :))
If you are in fact trying desperately to convince yourself, then perhaps
you already have an inkling of the fundamental flaw at the root of your
assertion. In that case, welcome to ASD; no-one here will pretend that
it's easy, but some of us do manage to overcome the obstacles - as did
Honest Abe, whose words you might like to read in the full original, one of
these days.
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: The hardest thing to learn is |
13 Oct 2004 11:20:02 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:27:46 -0500, "Winston Smith" <someone@someone.net>
wrote:
that it's really all up to you. What you do, how you feel, what you think,
it's all up to you. That's what Abraham Lincoln meant when he said you can
either by happy or sad, it's up to you (very very paraphrased). Ppl. say to
look within, or that something should come from within. That's total
nonsensical (which isn't a word, btw, but a lot of folks are using it) doggy
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.
2000.
nonsensical
SYLLABICATION: non·sen·si·cal
PRONUNCIATION: nn-sns-kl
ADJECTIVE: 1. Lacking intelligible meaning: a nonsensical jumble of words.
2. Foolish; absurd: nonsensical ideas.
OTHER FORMS: non·sensi·cali·ty (-kl-t) , non·sensi·cal·ness (-kl-ns) —NOUN
non·sensi·cal·ly —ADVERB
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EXPERIENCE, n. The wisdom that enables us to recognize as an undesirable
old acquaintance the folly that we have already embraced.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "Jernau Gurgeh" |
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| Title: Re: The hardest thing to learn is |
13 Oct 2004 04:40:34 AM |
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Winston Smith wrote in alt.support.depression:
that it's really all up to you. What you do, how you feel, what you
think, it's all up to you. That's what Abraham Lincoln meant when he
said you can either by happy or sad, it's up to you (very very
paraphrased). Ppl. say to look within, or that something should come
from within. That's total nonsensical (which isn't a word, btw, but a
lot of folks are using it) doggy doodoo. That's the big mistake we
make; looking at ppl. we think aren't depressed or whatever and
imagining that something must be springing up from within them which
we don't have, propping them up and so we try to find a way for that
to happen to us. Maybe a pill will do it; something that will get us
high, something that will make that inner geyser burst forth. You can
get up or not get up. It's up to you. If you think it isn't up to you
then it really feels like it isn't and you don't want to be told that
it is -- but if you tell yourself that it's up to you and believe it,
you will be able to get up (this also speaks to not really wanting to
get up because you have to go to a job you hate -- which mean that
ppl. are depressed for real, good, reasons, not because of a chemical
imbalance, not because they should be enjoying work if only something
wasn't wrong with them...).
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nonsensical
non·sen·si·cal Pronunciation Key (nn-sns-kl)
adj.
Lacking intelligible meaning: a nonsensical jumble of words.
Foolish; absurd: nonsensical ideas.
nonsensical
\Non*sen"si*cal\, a. Without sense; unmeaning; absurb; foolish;
irrational; preposterous. --
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
nonsensical
adj 1: completely devoid of wisdom or good sense; "the absurd excuse that
the dog ate his homework"; "that's a cockeyed idea"; "ask a nonsensical
question and get a nonsensical answer"; "a contribution so small as to be
laughable"; "it is ludicrous to call a cottage a mansion"; "a
preposterous attempt to turn back the pages of history"; "her conceited
assumption of universal interest in her rather dull children was
ridiculous" [syn: absurd, cockeyed, derisory, idiotic, laughable,
ludicrous, preposterous, ridiculous] 2: having no intelligible meaning;
"nonsense syllables"; "a nonsensical jumble of words" [syn: nonsense(a)]
Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University
Jernau
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The only failure in life
is the failure to try
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