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"Fast Recovery" |
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02 Jul 2007 05:40:01 PM |
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The one irrational belief that was toughest for me to overcome. |
The irrational belief that I needed a pill in order to overcome
depression. Once I realized that I had been duped and there was no
test to prove I had a "chemical imbalance" and that even if there was
proof that a "chemical imbalance" caused depression there was no way
to prove that any specific individual had this "chemical imbalance", I
was set free.
I worked at disputing my irrational beliefs using CBT and REBTand I
made a lot of progress quickly because I knew that it was my hard work
and my hard work alone that pulled me out of depression.
Now that my depression is long gone I know that I will never go back
to that place because I didn't rely on a pill to help me get out, I
did it all by myself. If you use a pill and CBT you will always have
that doubt that it may have been the placebo effect of the pill that
made you better. Good luck with that!
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p000824.html
Placebo effects and antidepressant drug effects appear to be
correlated 0.90 across studies (Kirsch and Sapirstein, 1998).
Considering measurement errors, this correlation is probably not
different from 1.0. From a statistical perspective, when two variables
are so highly correlated, this usually means that the two variables
are actually measures of the same phenomena or, in other words, that
antidepressant drug effects and placebo effects may be identical.
A slave is one who waits for someone else to free him. - Rosellen
Brown
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| User: "Robert Maas, see http://tinyurl.com/uh3t" |
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| Title: Re: The one irrational belief that was toughest for me to overcome. |
05 Jul 2007 03:30:49 PM |
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From: Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com>
The irrational belief that I needed a pill in order to overcome
depression.
"Depression" per symptoms is just a label for chronic unhappiness that
isn't responsive to life's circumstances. You get unhappy even when
things are going great, when you have a good job and lots of good
friends and you're in good physical health. Clinical depression is
one mental condition that results in depression symptoms. It
generally does require drugs to counter the internal chemical
mess-up. Maybe you didn't have clinical depression in the first
place? If you instead had PTSD, then you might have needed
Dianetics auditing or other "talk therapy" such as CBT to rid
yourself of your mental/emotional "hangups" that you had been
subconsciously obsessing over.
Once I realized that I had been duped and there was no test to
prove I had a "chemical imbalance"
Indeed, I'm rather pissed at the current practice in that area.
In some cases, it isn't so bad, they try "talk therapy" for a few
months to see if it's effective, and if not then they try giving
various anti-depressant drugs to see whether they are effective.
In other cases, it's truly quackery: Patient walks in door,
complains of unhappiness, is immediately prescribed anti-depressants.
and that even if there was proof that a "chemical imbalance"
caused depression there was no way to prove that any specific
individual had this "chemical imbalance",
Um, that's sorta redundant with what you said first.
Maybe that should have been a parentheticla remark which explains
the first statement in greater detail?
I was set free.
Free from drugs, but enslaved to CBT instead. That's not free.
That's just a new master. I'm not saying it's no improvement.
If CBT works better than drugs, or even just equally as well,
that's IMO definitely an improvement.
It takes only 20 minutes per day, for one year, for a pre-school
child to learn reading at a near-adult level, and to make a good
start toward spelling. CBT by comparison seems to be much less
effective at solving the problem it aims to solve, taking a half
hour per day for 20 years and still needing more, if I've read your
various postings correctly. Maybe for you, CBT (and drugs before
that) is just a "thumb in the *****" rather than an actual cure?
From a statistical perspective, when two variables are so highly
correlated, this usually means that the two variables are actually
measures of the same phenomena or, in other words, that
antidepressant drug effects and placebo effects may be identical.
Hey, you have a good understanding of that! I'm impressed. You're a
bright person. We could use more of people like you in
talk.origins. Wanna join us there?
One thing puzzles me: Why was the belief in drugs to treat your
particular kind of depression so difficult for you to get rid of?
Is it because, prior to your discovery of CBT, you were chronically
addicted to multiple drugs, so you just took drugs drugs and more
drugs for granted, and just assumed they'd be the cure for all
ailments, and had a difficult time breaking away from your faith in
mood-altering drugs?
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: The one irrational belief that was toughest for me to overcome. |
05 Jul 2007 04:08:10 PM |
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On Jul 5, 1:30 pm, (Robert Maas, see http://tinyurl.com/uh3t)
wrote:
From: Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com> ...
Wow, my dream has come true! Go, Bobby, go! =8^)
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| User: "Gayle" |
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| Title: Re: The one irrational belief that was toughest for me to overcome. |
05 Jul 2007 04:58:16 PM |
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RGB wrote:
Wow, my dream has come true! Go, Bobby, go! =8^)
Yeahbut, REM wrote the word "Dianetics" in a post to FR and
now I'm askeered of additional, um, consultants joining in.
Even though I did enjoy the mini-flurry of crossposts that
blew in from rec.sports.pro-wrestling and alt.sc*entology.
Gayle
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: The one irrational belief that was toughest for me to overcome. |
02 Jul 2007 05:43:51 PM |
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In article <ofui83p11aqlkmq2gpuclehf6cgn2gfkuc@4ax.com>,
Fast Recovery <flying14@hotmail.com> wrote:
Now that my depression is long gone ...
If you're not depressed, what psychiatric disorder *is* it that compels
you to troll ASD like this?
Mark
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: The one irrational belief that was toughest for me to overcome. |
02 Jul 2007 06:05:53 PM |
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In message <ofui83p11aqlkmq2gpuclehf6cgn2gfkuc@4ax.com>, Fast Recovery
<flying14@hotmail.com> writes
Now that my depression is long gone
Pity you aren't.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "bunny" |
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| Title: Re: The one irrational belief that was toughest for me to overcome. |
02 Jul 2007 09:39:40 PM |
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"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dj+qw8FRTYiGFwSA@harding.demon.co.uk...
In message <ofui83p11aqlkmq2gpuclehf6cgn2gfkuc@4ax.com>, Fast Recovery
<flying14@hotmail.com> writes
Now that my depression is long gone
Pity you aren't.
(muffling laughter) Sometimes you remind me of Stephen Fry. I desperately
love Stephen Fry.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: The one irrational belief that was toughest for me to overcome. |
03 Jul 2007 02:20:47 AM |
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In message <LFiii.111030$ia2.15435@fe01.news.easynews.com>, bunny
<bunnynospam@nospam.blarg.net> writes
"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dj+qw8FRTYiGFwSA@harding.demon.co.uk...
In message <ofui83p11aqlkmq2gpuclehf6cgn2gfkuc@4ax.com>, Fast Recovery
<flying14@hotmail.com> writes
Now that my depression is long gone
Pity you aren't.
(muffling laughter) Sometimes you remind me of Stephen Fry. I desperately
love Stephen Fry.
I take that as a great compliment.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "cal" |
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| Title: Re: The one irrational belief that was toughest for me toovercome. |
02 Jul 2007 10:16:28 PM |
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On 7/2/07 6:40 PM, in article ofui83p11aqlkmq2gpuclehf6cgn2gfkuc@4ax.com,
"Fast Recovery" <flying14@hotmail.com> wrote:
The irrational belief that I needed a pill in order to overcome
depression. Once I realized that I had been duped and there was no
test to prove I had a "chemical imbalance" and that even if there was
proof that a "chemical imbalance" caused depression there was no way
to prove that any specific individual had this "chemical imbalance", I
was set free.
I worked at disputing my irrational beliefs using CBT and REBTand I
made a lot of progress quickly because I knew that it was my hard work
and my hard work alone that pulled me out of depression.
Now that my depression is long gone I know that I will never go back
to that place
you sound like someone who's trying not to drink by continuously yapping
about how great it is not to be drinking any more. it's tedious to listen
to, but it must be hard work all right. good luck with it.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: The one irrational belief that was toughest for me to overcome. |
03 Jul 2007 02:21:27 AM |
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In message <C2AF37CC.1055A%cal1360@gmail.com>, cal <cal1360@gmail.com>
writes
On 7/2/07 6:40 PM, in article ofui83p11aqlkmq2gpuclehf6cgn2gfkuc@4ax.com,
"Fast Recovery" <flying14@hotmail.com> wrote:
The irrational belief that I needed a pill in order to overcome
depression. Once I realized that I had been duped and there was no
test to prove I had a "chemical imbalance" and that even if there was
proof that a "chemical imbalance" caused depression there was no way
to prove that any specific individual had this "chemical imbalance", I
was set free.
I worked at disputing my irrational beliefs using CBT and REBTand I
made a lot of progress quickly because I knew that it was my hard work
and my hard work alone that pulled me out of depression.
Now that my depression is long gone I know that I will never go back
to that place
you sound like someone who's trying not to drink by continuously yapping
about how great it is not to be drinking any more. it's tedious to listen
to, but it must be hard work all right. good luck with it.
Do we get to throw old boots at the yapper?
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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| Title: Re: The one irrational belief that was toughest for me to overcome. |
03 Jul 2007 07:35:25 AM |
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On 7/2/07 6:40 PM, in article ofui83p11aqlkmq2gpuclehf6cgn2gfkuc@4ax.com,
"Fast Recovery" <flying14@hotmail.com> wrote:
The irrational belief that I needed a pill in order to overcome
depression.
I hope your family and friends weren't permanently harmed
when you "overcame" this belief.
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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| Title: Re: The one irrational belief that was toughest for me to overcome. |
03 Jul 2007 01:53:17 PM |
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"Contrarian" <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:horii.791$YH3.721@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
On 7/2/07 6:40 PM, in article
ofui83p11aqlkmq2gpuclehf6cgn2gfkuc@4ax.com,
"Fast Recovery" <flying14@hotmail.com> wrote:
The irrational belief that I needed a pill in order to overcome
depression.
I hope your family and friends weren't permanently harmed
when you "overcame" this belief.
There are times when you say the most perfect thing anyone could say.
--
Rhi
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| User: "suburban dude" |
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| Title: Re: The one irrational belief that was toughest for me to overcome. |
02 Jul 2007 05:48:41 PM |
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On Jul 2, 5:40 pm, Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The irrational belief that I needed a pill in order to overcome
depression. Once I realized that I had been duped and there was no
test to prove I had a "chemical imbalance" and that even if there was
proof that a "chemical imbalance" caused depression there was no way
to prove that any specific individual had this "chemical imbalance", I
was set free.
I worked at disputing my irrational beliefs using CBT and REBTand I
made a lot of progress quickly because I knew that it was my hard work
and my hard work alone that pulled me out of depression.
Now that my depression is long gone I know that I will never go back
to that place because I didn't rely on a pill to help me get out, I
did it all by myself. If you use a pill and CBT you will always have
that doubt that it may have been the placebo effect of the pill that
made you better. Good luck with that!http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p000824.html
Placebo effects and antidepressant drug effects appear to be
correlated 0.90 across studies (Kirsch and Sapirstein, 1998).
Considering measurement errors, this correlation is probably not
different from 1.0. From a statistical perspective, when two variables
are so highly correlated, this usually means that the two variables
are actually measures of the same phenomena or, in other words, that
antidepressant drug effects and placebo effects may be identical.
A slave is one who waits for someone else to free him. - Rosellen
Brown
i know lexapro cut down 95% of the crying that I would do.
i know damn well that no sugar pill would ever do that.
I know there's some terrible side effects to SSRI's but there are also
huge benefits.
one cannot just "think" or "wish" away their depression,
or "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" or whatever it is that you
say your method does....
if i did as you suggest, i would go into a "Fast Relapse".
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