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Sociology > Depression |
| User: |
"%" |
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01 Feb 2007 10:21:33 PM |
| Object: |
THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
is that it clearly shows beyond any doubt , i win
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| User: "GlennT" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
01 Feb 2007 10:41:11 PM |
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On Feb 2, 5:21 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
is that it clearly shows beyond any doubt , i win
You can never win a war if you don't win the hearts and minds of the
people. Somebody said this before me... just can't remember who.
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
01 Feb 2007 10:43:25 PM |
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"GlennT" <trucage@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170391271.082352.205830@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 5:21 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
is that it clearly shows beyond any doubt , i win
You can never win a war if you don't win the hearts and minds of the
people. Somebody said this before me... just can't remember who.
oh , hi , are we going to have ,
one of our go no where conversations again ,
its not so important to win all the hearts ,
just win the ones that can influence others
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| User: "GlennT" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
01 Feb 2007 10:54:13 PM |
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On Feb 2, 5:43 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170391271.082352.205830@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 5:21 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
is that it clearly shows beyond any doubt , i win
You can never win a war if you don't win the hearts and minds of the
people. Somebody said this before me... just can't remember who.
oh , hi , are we going to have ,
one of our go no where conversations again ,
its not so important to win all the hearts ,
just win the ones that can influence others
Conversations are a two sided affair so its not only up to me. Besides
Luna has already said nobody will ever change their minds anyway so
what's the point?
I still think you were a total ***** to Rhi with your comment but other
than that I am neutral and prepared to move on.
If you don't want to have a conversation then don't talk to me. You
emailed me remember?
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
01 Feb 2007 11:04:00 PM |
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"GlennT" <trucage@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170392053.441163.229690@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 5:43 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170391271.082352.205830@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 5:21 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
is that it clearly shows beyond any doubt , i win
You can never win a war if you don't win the hearts and minds of
the
people. Somebody said this before me... just can't remember who.
oh , hi , are we going to have ,
one of our go no where conversations again ,
its not so important to win all the hearts ,
just win the ones that can influence others
Conversations are a two sided affair so its not only up to me. Besides
Luna has already said nobody will ever change their minds anyway so
what's the point?
I still think you were a total ***** to Rhi with your comment but other
than that I am neutral and prepared to move on.
If you don't want to have a conversation then don't talk to me. You
emailed me remember?
well , yea , i'll deal with the e-mailing you now ,
i missed you wondered if you were ok ,
you were a friend last time you left so i was concerned ,
as for how i talk to or about others ,
take a fuckin look at what they say about me ,
and if you do it right you'll see they went first ,
Rhi and i were good friends for many years ,
until she started dating Cumbya My Lord ,
and then naturally because i don't like him ,
she decided it would be in her best interest to support him ,
but isn't that how it goes with on line lovers ,
you kick one in the nuts , the other hollers , OWWWW
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
03 Feb 2007 12:17:59 PM |
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"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:IuOdndr70fUDW1_YnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@giganews.com...
take a fuckin look at what they say about me ,
and if you do it right you'll see they went first ,
Rhi and i were good friends for many years ,
until she started dating Cumbya My Lord ,
and then naturally because i don't like him ,
she decided it would be in her best interest to support him
Other. Way. Around. And it's all archived.
--
Rhi
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
03 Feb 2007 12:37:51 PM |
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"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:IuOdndr70fUDW1_YnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@giganews.com...
take a fuckin look at what they say about me ,
and if you do it right you'll see they went first ,
Rhi and i were good friends for many years ,
until she started dating Cumbya My Lord ,
and then naturally because i don't like him ,
she decided it would be in her best interest to support him
Other. Way. Around. And it's all archived.
--
Rhi
it can't be the other way around ,
because i didn't like him before he started using you
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| User: "cal" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
03 Feb 2007 01:25:26 PM |
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"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7JqdnXVIB5QNS1nYnZ2dnUVZ_segnZ2d@giganews.com...
"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:eq2jgj$gsk$1@news.datemas.de...
"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:IuOdndr70fUDW1_YnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@giganews.com...
take a fuckin look at what they say about me ,
and if you do it right you'll see they went first ,
Rhi and i were good friends for many years ,
until she started dating Cumbya My Lord ,
and then naturally because i don't like him ,
she decided it would be in her best interest to support him
Other. Way. Around. And it's all archived.
--
Rhi
it can't be the other way around ,
because i didn't like him before he started using you
and i didn't go on you before you went on me either. that's all archived
too. rhi has tried to stay your friend while you've been compulsively
harassing us with your delusional "reasons" for why she should dump me, but
you got mad at her for not taking you seriously, and then you really started
going off on her when i decided to start ignoring you about a month ago.
like the "thought process" (if it can be called that) was, "ok, if i can't
get to him this way, then let's try it this way." but the only thing you
achieve with this is to become an object of growing amusement and contempt
for us both.
neither rhi nor i was born yesterday, tweety. we've been around the block,
and we're pretty good at not being "used", in addition to manipulated,
harassed, or otherwise fucked with. i suggest you back off and start minding
your own business. i hope this finds you at a reasonably sane and sober
moment of your day.
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
03 Feb 2007 01:49:37 PM |
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"cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote in message
news:eq2nj7$sid$1@news.datemas.de...
"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7JqdnXVIB5QNS1nYnZ2dnUVZ_segnZ2d@giganews.com...
"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:eq2jgj$gsk$1@news.datemas.de...
"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:IuOdndr70fUDW1_YnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@giganews.com...
take a fuckin look at what they say about me ,
and if you do it right you'll see they went first ,
Rhi and i were good friends for many years ,
until she started dating Cumbya My Lord ,
and then naturally because i don't like him ,
she decided it would be in her best interest to support him
Other. Way. Around. And it's all archived.
--
Rhi
it can't be the other way around ,
because i didn't like him before he started using you
and i didn't go on you before you went on me either. that's all
archived
too. rhi has tried to stay your friend while you've been compulsively
harassing us with your delusional "reasons" for why she should dump
me, but
you got mad at her for not taking you seriously, and then you really
started
going off on her when i decided to start ignoring you about a month
ago.
like the "thought process" (if it can be called that) was, "ok, if i
can't
get to him this way, then let's try it this way." but the only thing
you
achieve with this is to become an object of growing amusement and
contempt
for us both.
neither rhi nor i was born yesterday, tweety. we've been around the
block,
and we're pretty good at not being "used", in addition to manipulated,
harassed, or otherwise fucked with. i suggest you back off and start
minding
your own business. i hope this finds you at a reasonably sane and
sober
moment of your day.
so how's that having me killfiled working out for ya
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| User: "Justin ." |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
03 Feb 2007 11:05:29 PM |
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"cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote in message
news:eq2nj7$sid$1@news.datemas.de...
i hope this finds you at a reasonably sane and sober
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LOL
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
03 Feb 2007 11:07:28 PM |
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"Justin" <.> wrote in message
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"cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote in message
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i hope this finds you at a reasonably sane and sober
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if it doesn't , i'm sure rhi can find it for you in the archives
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
03 Feb 2007 12:43:50 PM |
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"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7JqdnXVIB5QNS1nYnZ2dnUVZ_segnZ2d@giganews.com...
"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
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take a fuckin look at what they say about me ,
and if you do it right you'll see they went first ,
Rhi and i were good friends for many years ,
until she started dating Cumbya My Lord ,
and then naturally because i don't like him ,
she decided it would be in her best interest to support him
Other. Way. Around. And it's all archived.
--
Rhi
it can't be the other way around ,
And it's all archived.
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
03 Feb 2007 12:43:29 PM |
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"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:eq2l12$lae$1@news.datemas.de...
"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7JqdnXVIB5QNS1nYnZ2dnUVZ_segnZ2d@giganews.com...
"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:eq2jgj$gsk$1@news.datemas.de...
"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:IuOdndr70fUDW1_YnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@giganews.com...
take a fuckin look at what they say about me ,
and if you do it right you'll see they went first ,
Rhi and i were good friends for many years ,
until she started dating Cumbya My Lord ,
and then naturally because i don't like him ,
she decided it would be in her best interest to support him
Other. Way. Around. And it's all archived.
--
Rhi
it can't be the other way around ,
because i didn't like him before he started using you
And it's all archived.
so post it or you're full of Cal ,
and i love what i turnrd you into
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| User: "GlennT" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
01 Feb 2007 11:37:43 PM |
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On Feb 2, 6:04 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170392053.441163.229690@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 5:43 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170391271.082352.205830@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 5:21 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
is that it clearly shows beyond any doubt , i win
You can never win a war if you don't win the hearts and minds of
the
people. Somebody said this before me... just can't remember who.
oh , hi , are we going to have ,
one of our go no where conversations again ,
its not so important to win all the hearts ,
just win the ones that can influence others
Conversations are a two sided affair so its not only up to me. Besides
Luna has already said nobody will ever change their minds anyway so
what's the point?
I still think you were a total ***** to Rhi with your comment but other
than that I am neutral and prepared to move on.
If you don't want to have a conversation then don't talk to me. You
emailed me remember?
well , yea , i'll deal with the e-mailing you now ,
i missed you wondered if you were ok ,
you were a friend last time you left so i was concerned ,
I was a friend last time I left... well okay I do appreciate the
concern. I'm just not sure what being a friend means with you and your
way of dealing with ASD. I don't tend to trust friends which is why I
don't have any. Loyalty is probably what I understand better and I
have always tried to be loyal to you. Yet, when you say that you don't
care what I think when I am addressing an issue I guess I figure that
loyalty comes with strings attached from your end.
as for how i talk to or about others ,
take a fuckin look at what they say about me ,
and if you do it right you'll see they went first ,
Rhi and i were good friends for many years ,
until she started dating Cumbya My Lord ,
and then naturally because i don't like him ,
she decided it would be in her best interest to support him ,
but isn't that how it goes with on line lovers ,
you kick one in the nuts , the other hollers , OWWWW- Hide quoted text -
Of course she would want to protect somebody she is having a
relationship with. I would have thought that was obvious. So should
she ***** on him to preserve your friendship? I don't ***** on anyone,
even you. That's my way of working and I guess it will be a continuous
disagreement between us.
I can't say I won't get shitty when you crap on someone and you can't
say that you won't crap on people. This is about where it stays as far
as I am concerned. However I'm prepared to work at not getting in your
way of doing things if I can avoid it. How's that sound?
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
01 Feb 2007 11:46:54 PM |
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"GlennT" <trucage@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170394663.159654.65580@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 6:04 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170392053.441163.229690@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 5:43 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170391271.082352.205830@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 5:21 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
is that it clearly shows beyond any doubt , i win
You can never win a war if you don't win the hearts and minds
of
the
people. Somebody said this before me... just can't remember
who.
oh , hi , are we going to have ,
one of our go no where conversations again ,
its not so important to win all the hearts ,
just win the ones that can influence others
Conversations are a two sided affair so its not only up to me.
Besides
Luna has already said nobody will ever change their minds anyway
so
what's the point?
I still think you were a total ***** to Rhi with your comment but
other
than that I am neutral and prepared to move on.
If you don't want to have a conversation then don't talk to me.
You
emailed me remember?
well , yea , i'll deal with the e-mailing you now ,
i missed you wondered if you were ok ,
you were a friend last time you left so i was concerned ,
I was a friend last time I left... well okay I do appreciate the
concern. I'm just not sure what being a friend means with you and your
way of dealing with ASD. I don't tend to trust friends which is why I
don't have any. Loyalty is probably what I understand better and I
have always tried to be loyal to you. Yet, when you say that you don't
care what I think when I am addressing an issue I guess I figure that
loyalty comes with strings attached from your end.
as for how i talk to or about others ,
take a fuckin look at what they say about me ,
and if you do it right you'll see they went first ,
Rhi and i were good friends for many years ,
until she started dating Cumbya My Lord ,
and then naturally because i don't like him ,
she decided it would be in her best interest to support him ,
but isn't that how it goes with on line lovers ,
you kick one in the nuts , the other hollers , OWWWW- Hide quoted
text -
Of course she would want to protect somebody she is having a
relationship with. I would have thought that was obvious. So should
she ***** on him to preserve your friendship? I don't ***** on anyone,
even you. That's my way of working and I guess it will be a continuous
disagreement between us.
I can't say I won't get shitty when you crap on someone and you can't
say that you won't crap on people. This is about where it stays as far
as I am concerned. However I'm prepared to work at not getting in your
way of doing things if I can avoid it. How's that sound?
i'm powerless over your friends issue ,
i'm powerless over what she thinks is right or fair ,
i'm powerless over you getting shitty ,
but i can say , if you look at the track record ,
i am never shitty first and the people you're defending ,
are nothing but shitty to everyone except each other ,
and those they think will serve the purpose ,
until its time to burn them too
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| User: "GlennT" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
02 Feb 2007 12:38:33 AM |
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On Feb 2, 6:46 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170394663.159654.65580@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 6:04 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170392053.441163.229690@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 5:43 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170391271.082352.205830@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 5:21 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
is that it clearly shows beyond any doubt , i win
You can never win a war if you don't win the hearts and minds
of
the
people. Somebody said this before me... just can't remember
who.
oh , hi , are we going to have ,
one of our go no where conversations again ,
its not so important to win all the hearts ,
just win the ones that can influence others
Conversations are a two sided affair so its not only up to me.
Besides
Luna has already said nobody will ever change their minds anyway
so
what's the point?
I still think you were a total ***** to Rhi with your comment but
other
than that I am neutral and prepared to move on.
If you don't want to have a conversation then don't talk to me.
You
emailed me remember?
well , yea , i'll deal with the e-mailing you now ,
i missed you wondered if you were ok ,
you were a friend last time you left so i was concerned ,
I was a friend last time I left... well okay I do appreciate the
concern. I'm just not sure what being a friend means with you and your
way of dealing with ASD. I don't tend to trust friends which is why I
don't have any. Loyalty is probably what I understand better and I
have always tried to be loyal to you. Yet, when you say that you don't
care what I think when I am addressing an issue I guess I figure that
loyalty comes with strings attached from your end.
as for how i talk to or about others ,
take a fuckin look at what they say about me ,
and if you do it right you'll see they went first ,
Rhi and i were good friends for many years ,
until she started dating Cumbya My Lord ,
and then naturally because i don't like him ,
she decided it would be in her best interest to support him ,
but isn't that how it goes with on line lovers ,
you kick one in the nuts , the other hollers , OWWWW- Hide quoted
text -
Of course she would want to protect somebody she is having a
relationship with. I would have thought that was obvious. So should
she ***** on him to preserve your friendship? I don't ***** on anyone,
even you. That's my way of working and I guess it will be a continuous
disagreement between us.
I can't say I won't get shitty when you crap on someone and you can't
say that you won't crap on people. This is about where it stays as far
as I am concerned. However I'm prepared to work at not getting in your
way of doing things if I can avoid it. How's that sound?
i'm powerless over your friends issue ,
i'm powerless over what she thinks is right or fair ,
i'm powerless over you getting shitty ,
but i can say , if you look at the track record ,
i am never shitty first and the people you're defending ,
are nothing but shitty to everyone except each other ,
and those they think will serve the purpose ,
until its time to burn them too
Then it is about our perceptions of the issues concerned and the
people those issues concern. I don't comprehend that history because
I've never seen it. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist of course. I just
don't live here as much as you do so a lot goes over my head.
I am powerless over your reactions and perceptions just as you are
over mine. As long as there is mutual respect then that is usually
good enough. However this is not only your personal playground and
sometimes people react to things they see but maybe don't fully
understand. They are not less than you because they don't invest the
time and get to know the 'real' issues as you see them.
If you say you have good reason then I will certainly respect that
point of view. I just won't subscribe to it if I haven't seen it
myself. I think people come here for comfort rather than strife and it
is a red herring that strife gets the most posts. It always has been a
red herring. Without the need for dialogue of a comforting and healthy
basis this group wouldn't exist at all. I am not interested in flame
wars because I fight another war of my own that is far more important
than schoolyard bullying and a "he started it" mentality. I am here
for other reasons.
When it comes to you I like you mostly because you can offer a lot of
comfort and healthy perspective that shatters preconceptions like
crystal falling on concrete. The ***** stirring is what I put up with
rather than what I seek. But... its not all about me is it?
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: THE UP SIDE TO ALL THIS POSTING |
02 Feb 2007 12:44:32 AM |
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"GlennT" <trucage@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170398313.152692.28670@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 6:46 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170394663.159654.65580@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 6:04 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170392053.441163.229690@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 5:43 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170391271.082352.205830@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 5:21 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
is that it clearly shows beyond any doubt , i win
You can never win a war if you don't win the hearts and
minds
of
the
people. Somebody said this before me... just can't
remember
who.
oh , hi , are we going to have ,
one of our go no where conversations again ,
its not so important to win all the hearts ,
just win the ones that can influence others
Conversations are a two sided affair so its not only up to me.
Besides
Luna has already said nobody will ever change their minds
anyway
so
what's the point?
I still think you were a total ***** to Rhi with your comment
but
other
than that I am neutral and prepared to move on.
If you don't want to have a conversation then don't talk to
me.
You
emailed me remember?
well , yea , i'll deal with the e-mailing you now ,
i missed you wondered if you were ok ,
you were a friend last time you left so i was concerned ,
I was a friend last time I left... well okay I do appreciate the
concern. I'm just not sure what being a friend means with you and
your
way of dealing with ASD. I don't tend to trust friends which is
why I
don't have any. Loyalty is probably what I understand better and I
have always tried to be loyal to you. Yet, when you say that you
don't
care what I think when I am addressing an issue I guess I figure
that
loyalty comes with strings attached from your end.
as for how i talk to or about others ,
take a fuckin look at what they say about me ,
and if you do it right you'll see they went first ,
Rhi and i were good friends for many years ,
until she started dating Cumbya My Lord ,
and then naturally because i don't like him ,
she decided it would be in her best interest to support him ,
but isn't that how it goes with on line lovers ,
you kick one in the nuts , the other hollers , OWWWW- Hide
quoted
text -
Of course she would want to protect somebody she is having a
relationship with. I would have thought that was obvious. So
should
she ***** on him to preserve your friendship? I don't ***** on
anyone,
even you. That's my way of working and I guess it will be a
continuous
disagreement between us.
I can't say I won't get shitty when you crap on someone and you
can't
say that you won't crap on people. This is about where it stays as
far
as I am concerned. However I'm prepared to work at not getting in
your
way of doing things if I can avoid it. How's that sound?
i'm powerless over your friends issue ,
i'm powerless over what she thinks is right or fair ,
i'm powerless over you getting shitty ,
but i can say , if you look at the track record ,
i am never shitty first and the people you're defending ,
are nothing but shitty to everyone except each other ,
and those they think will serve the purpose ,
until its time to burn them too
Then it is about our perceptions of the issues concerned and the
people those issues concern. I don't comprehend that history because
I've never seen it. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist of course. I just
don't live here as much as you do so a lot goes over my head.
I am powerless over your reactions and perceptions just as you are
over mine. As long as there is mutual respect then that is usually
good enough. However this is not only your personal playground and
sometimes people react to things they see but maybe don't fully
understand. They are not less than you because they don't invest the
time and get to know the 'real' issues as you see them.
If you say you have good reason then I will certainly respect that
point of view. I just won't subscribe to it if I haven't seen it
myself. I think people come here for comfort rather than strife and it
is a red herring that strife gets the most posts. It always has been a
red herring. Without the need for dialogue of a comforting and healthy
basis this group wouldn't exist at all. I am not interested in flame
wars because I fight another war of my own that is far more important
than schoolyard bullying and a "he started it" mentality. I am here
for other reasons.
When it comes to you I like you mostly because you can offer a lot of
comfort and healthy perspective that shatters preconceptions like
crystal falling on concrete. The ***** stirring is what I put up with
rather than what I seek. But... its not all about me is it?
thank you for telling me why you are here ,
i appreciate that and will go on to say ,
i am here with my own agenda also
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02 Feb 2007 12:50:17 AM |
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On Feb 2, 7:44 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
thank you for telling me why you are here ,
i appreciate that and will go on to say ,
i am here with my own agenda also
I told you why I like you here. Can you name one reason you appreciate
my presence?
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| User: "%" |
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02 Feb 2007 12:57:54 AM |
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"GlennT" <trucage@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170399017.385644.132270@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 7:44 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
thank you for telling me why you are here ,
i appreciate that and will go on to say ,
i am here with my own agenda also
I told you why I like you here. Can you name one reason you appreciate
my presence?
you offer a lot , to put it into one thing or two or even five would be
hard for me ,
but i'll say that for every conversation i see you have in like a one on
one without ,
too much interuption , the other party seems to come away ,
feeling better and thanking you for the input / insight
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| User: "GlennT" |
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02 Feb 2007 01:45:29 AM |
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On Feb 2, 7:57 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170399017.385644.132270@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 7:44 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
thank you for telling me why you are here ,
i appreciate that and will go on to say ,
i am here with my own agenda also
I told you why I like you here. Can you name one reason you appreciate
my presence?
you offer a lot , to put it into one thing or two or even five would be
hard for me ,
but i'll say that for every conversation i see you have in like a one on
one without ,
too much interuption , the other party seems to come away ,
feeling better and thanking you for the input / insight
Well... that is a very kind thing to say. I thank you. I guess I'll
never know what is going on in this place. Mostly because, I don't
wanna know, you know?
I just like to chat in slow motion. Thats about it.
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| User: "%" |
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02 Feb 2007 01:56:09 AM |
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"GlennT" <trucage@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170402329.832989.227050@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 7:57 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170399017.385644.132270@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 7:44 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
thank you for telling me why you are here ,
i appreciate that and will go on to say ,
i am here with my own agenda also
I told you why I like you here. Can you name one reason you
appreciate
my presence?
you offer a lot , to put it into one thing or two or even five would
be
hard for me ,
but i'll say that for every conversation i see you have in like a
one on
one without ,
too much interuption , the other party seems to come away ,
feeling better and thanking you for the input / insight
Well... that is a very kind thing to say. I thank you. I guess I'll
never know what is going on in this place. Mostly because, I don't
wanna know, you know?
I just like to chat in slow motion. Thats about it.
your approach is all understandable ,
and i'm not sure if what i said is true ,
its just what i see in my 18 hour days here
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| User: "GlennT" |
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02 Feb 2007 02:44:07 AM |
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On Feb 2, 8:56 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170402329.832989.227050@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 7:57 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170399017.385644.132270@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 7:44 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
thank you for telling me why you are here ,
i appreciate that and will go on to say ,
i am here with my own agenda also
I told you why I like you here. Can you name one reason you
appreciate
my presence?
you offer a lot , to put it into one thing or two or even five would
be
hard for me ,
but i'll say that for every conversation i see you have in like a
one on
one without ,
too much interuption , the other party seems to come away ,
feeling better and thanking you for the input / insight
Well... that is a very kind thing to say. I thank you. I guess I'll
never know what is going on in this place. Mostly because, I don't
wanna know, you know?
I just like to chat in slow motion. Thats about it.
your approach is all understandable ,
and i'm not sure if what i said is true ,
its just what i see in my 18 hour days here
tOO much perspective perhaps.
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| User: "%" |
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02 Feb 2007 02:44:39 AM |
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"GlennT" <trucage@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170405847.429376.265130@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 8:56 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170402329.832989.227050@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 7:57 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"GlennT" <truc...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1170399017.385644.132270@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 7:44 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
thank you for telling me why you are here ,
i appreciate that and will go on to say ,
i am here with my own agenda also
I told you why I like you here. Can you name one reason you
appreciate
my presence?
you offer a lot , to put it into one thing or two or even five
would
be
hard for me ,
but i'll say that for every conversation i see you have in like
a
one on
one without ,
too much interuption , the other party seems to come away ,
feeling better and thanking you for the input / insight
Well... that is a very kind thing to say. I thank you. I guess
I'll
never know what is going on in this place. Mostly because, I don't
wanna know, you know?
I just like to chat in slow motion. Thats about it.
your approach is all understandable ,
and i'm not sure if what i said is true ,
its just what i see in my 18 hour days here
tOO much perspective perhaps.
of course
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| User: "Janithor" |
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02 Feb 2007 12:04:03 AM |
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% wrote:
i'm powerless over your friends issue ,
i'm powerless over what she thinks is right or fair ,
i'm powerless over you getting shitty ,
but i can say , if you look at the track record ,
i am never shitty first and the people you're defending ,
are nothing but shitty to everyone except each other ,
and those they think will serve the purpose ,
until its time to burn them too
I don't think your perceptions are 100% accurate. I think you set
things up in a manner similar to what Marty does, and then you're
surprised when a ***** storm ensues. And also you seem to actually want
that ***** storm, you seem to actually want to have people attacking you.
You seem to go out of your way to set it up. I don't get it, I'm
only giving my honest observation, i.e. $0.02. I can only guess it's
related somehow to family of origin stuff, compounded by effects of
substance abuse. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I have no stake in the
matter. As I've told you a 1000x, I don't hate you.
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| User: "%" |
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02 Feb 2007 12:13:48 AM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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% wrote:
i'm powerless over your friends issue ,
i'm powerless over what she thinks is right or fair ,
i'm powerless over you getting shitty ,
but i can say , if you look at the track record ,
i am never shitty first and the people you're defending ,
are nothing but shitty to everyone except each other ,
and those they think will serve the purpose ,
until its time to burn them too
I don't think your perceptions are 100% accurate. I think you set
things up in a manner similar to what Marty does, and then you're
surprised when a ***** storm ensues. And also you seem to actually
want
that ***** storm, you seem to actually want to have people attacking
you.
You seem to go out of your way to set it up. I don't get it, I'm
only giving my honest observation, i.e. $0.02. I can only guess it's
related somehow to family of origin stuff, compounded by effects of
substance abuse. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I have no stake in the
matter. As I've told you a 1000x, I don't hate you.
i never said you hated me and ,
show me text of what you're basing your info on ,
and i'll tell you what lead to it and how who went first
oh and didn't you say earlier i'm mistaking things said as attacks on me
,
and then here you are saying ,
" you seem to actually want to have people attacking you. "
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| User: "Janithor" |
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02 Feb 2007 12:23:03 AM |
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i never said you hated me and ,
You just did in asdf. You post "Janithor hates because XYZ" all the time.
show me text of what you're basing your info on ,
and i'll tell you what lead to it and how who went first
oh and didn't you say earlier i'm mistaking things said as attacks on me
,
and then here you are saying ,
" you seem to actually want to have people attacking you. "
I suppose it looks confusing. But what I said was that your perceptions
aren't 100% accurate. That doesn't mean they are 100% inaccurate. It
means sometimes you think people are attacking when they are not. Or
your response to the "attack" is out of proportion to the actual attack.
Yes, I think you do want people to be attacking you, I think you work
very hard to try to get that to happen. So what could start out as a
relatively benign exchange can quickly turn into a flame war. It's
similar to what I did when I was in my 20's, and what Marty probably
still does now. I used to LOOK for people looking at me funny. I was
on hyperalert looking for people who were going to ***** with me. And
sure as *****, if you look hard enough, you can find it. But more
importantly, my act of looking helped create some of that very ***** I
was getting. By staring at other with a fearful, pensive scowl on my
face, I probably triggered other people: people like me who were also
looking for people to be mean to them, and also the wolves who smell
fear, and saw my look of fear and realized I'd be an easy target.
I think you frequently do something similar here. That's my opinion.
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| User: "%" |
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02 Feb 2007 12:29:45 AM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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% wrote:
i never said you hated me and ,
You just did in asdf. You post "Janithor hates because XYZ" all the
time.
show me text of what you're basing your info on ,
and i'll tell you what lead to it and how who went first
oh and didn't you say earlier i'm mistaking things said as attacks
on me
,
and then here you are saying ,
" you seem to actually want to have people attacking you. "
I suppose it looks confusing. But what I said was that your
perceptions
aren't 100% accurate. That doesn't mean they are 100% inaccurate. It
means sometimes you think people are attacking when they are not. Or
your response to the "attack" is out of proportion to the actual
attack.
Yes, I think you do want people to be attacking you, I think you work
very hard to try to get that to happen. So what could start out as a
relatively benign exchange can quickly turn into a flame war. It's
similar to what I did when I was in my 20's, and what Marty probably
still does now. I used to LOOK for people looking at me funny. I was
on hyperalert looking for people who were going to ***** with me. And
sure as *****, if you look hard enough, you can find it. But more
importantly, my act of looking helped create some of that very ***** I
was getting. By staring at other with a fearful, pensive scowl on my
face, I probably triggered other people: people like me who were also
looking for people to be mean to them, and also the wolves who smell
fear, and saw my look of fear and realized I'd be an easy target.
I think you frequently do something similar here. That's my opinion.
ok , i'll ask my request again ,
show me the text , and i'll tell you who started what ,
and the you hate me thing ,
i'm sure you know is for a laugh ,
'but if it botheres you and makes you feel ,
compelled to attack me , i won't do it anymore
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02 Feb 2007 12:54:05 AM |
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% wrote:
ok , i'll ask my request again ,
show me the text , and i'll tell you who started what ,
Started what? I'm not fighting with you. This is exactly what I'm
talking about.
and the you hate me thing ,
i'm sure you know is for a laugh ,
'but if it botheres you and makes you feel ,
compelled to attack me , i won't do it anymore
No, I know it's for a laugh, but my instinct tells me you half believe
it too. Humor has to have a certain amount of truth to be funny. I
think you would be making a different funny if you didn't on some level
actually think that I hate you.
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| User: "%" |
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02 Feb 2007 01:06:16 AM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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% wrote:
ok , i'll ask my request again ,
show me the text , and i'll tell you who started what ,
Started what? I'm not fighting with you. This is exactly what I'm
talking about.
and the you hate me thing ,
i'm sure you know is for a laugh ,
'but if it botheres you and makes you feel ,
compelled to attack me , i won't do it anymore
No, I know it's for a laugh, but my instinct tells me you half believe
it too. Humor has to have a certain amount of truth to be funny. I
think you would be making a different funny if you didn't on some
level
actually think that I hate you.
you said i retailiate to things that might not be attacks ,
i said show me an example , your choice of options was to snip the
quotes ,
i'll tell you what i think , i think , you've had two or three visits
with a shrink ,
and you want to believe that everything wrong with you is what's wrong
with me ,
so , for the third time i will ask , show me an example and i'll tell
you why ,
the conversation went the way it did
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| User: "Janithor" |
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02 Feb 2007 02:10:48 AM |
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% wrote:
you said i retailiate to things that might not be attacks ,
i said show me an example , your choice of options was to snip the
quotes ,
Oh, ok, I get it, I think. Well, tonight is a perfect example. You
talk about "what started it" - what started what? I'm not fighting with
you. I'm not taking digs at you. The dad comment? OK, fine, sorry
about the dad comment. Next?
i'll tell you what i think , i think , you've had two or three visits
with a shrink ,
and you want to believe that everything wrong with you is what's wrong
with me ,
OK, fine, but I don't think that's the case. I said there were
similarities, I didn't say we're the same. We're very different and
come from very different backgrounds. My problems are not your
problems, and visa versa. I was referring to something specific: your
approach to conflict here, and my approach to strangers in the past (and
Marty's approach in the present.) I think there is a similarity.
That's it. Don't read more into the statement than that.
so , for the third time i will ask , show me an example and i'll tell
you why ,
the conversation went the way it did
What conservation and how did it go? I'm not sure what you're referring to.
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| User: "%" |
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02 Feb 2007 02:22:35 AM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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% wrote:
you said i retailiate to things that might not be attacks ,
i said show me an example , your choice of options was to snip the
quotes ,
Oh, ok, I get it, I think. Well, tonight is a perfect example. You
talk about "what started it" - what started what? I'm not fighting
with
you. I'm not taking digs at you. The dad comment? OK, fine, sorry
about the dad comment. Next?
i'll tell you what i think , i think , you've had two or three
visits
with a shrink ,
and you want to believe that everything wrong with you is what's
wrong
with me ,
OK, fine, but I don't think that's the case. I said there were
similarities, I didn't say we're the same. We're very different and
come from very different backgrounds. My problems are not your
problems, and visa versa. I was referring to something specific: your
approach to conflict here, and my approach to strangers in the past
(and
Marty's approach in the present.) I think there is a similarity.
That's it. Don't read more into the statement than that.
so , for the third time i will ask , show me an example and i'll
tell
you why ,
the conversation went the way it did
What conservation and how did it go? I'm not sure what you're
referring to.
well if tonight will be the example , fine ,
who the fk makes you think you are the person ,
who drills and questions me about my behaviour or what i do ,
i paid for this computer and i pay an isp bill ,
do you see me telling you how you should ,
and what you should , and why don't you ,
and how come you haven't ,
do you see me requiring this of you ,
get off your jumbo do like me or you aren't right program ,
and take a lighten up pill and stop trying to tell me ,
how i do and why i do and what i do and how come i don't do ,
geeez , i got a live in that does what you do ,
but now and then she cooks
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