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Topic: Sociology > Depression
User: "Translucent Troglodyte"
Date: 17 Jan 2008 10:37:20 AM
Object: There is no way to help me
And I'm sorry for unloading stuff here that stresses people out.
There is simply too much to deal with, some of it can't be dealt with
except through "acceptance" and I'm sick and tired of accepting loss
after loss, failure after failure.
People die every day, some in ways extremely more heinous than what I
want to do. Everything lives and dies, why is human life worth more
than that of other animals, plants, microbes? Accidents happen all
the time.
I'll stop bothering y'all now.
TT
--
Moving Beyond the Binary Gender Option
.

User: "stupididol"

Title: Re: There is no way to help me 17 Jan 2008 10:53:39 AM
"Translucent Troglodyte" <translucent.troglodyte@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mp0vo3h22jfkd9hgonnujgc46e5lk99mk7@4ax.com...

And I'm sorry for unloading stuff here that stresses people out.

There is simply too much to deal with, some of it can't be dealt with
except through "acceptance" and I'm sick and tired of accepting loss
after loss, failure after failure.

People die every day, some in ways extremely more heinous than what I
want to do. Everything lives and dies, why is human life worth more
than that of other animals, plants, microbes? Accidents happen all
the time.

I'll stop bothering y'all now.

TT
--
Moving Beyond the Binary Gender Option

I have gone thru the hard times. I hope you understand in time allot of the
most awful feelings may pass. Get out your frustration and try to do better.
I write on the net about all things. Even when people call me nuts, I
realize I at least can examine alternatives and choices. Sure the sad parts
about misery suck, but don't get to the point where there is no going back.
If you are to that point God bless you anyway.
.

User: "Rhiannon"

Title: Re: There is no way to help me SPOILERED Suicide 17 Jan 2008 12:55:15 PM
"Translucent Troglodyte" <translucent.troglodyte@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mp0vo3h22jfkd9hgonnujgc46e5lk99mk7@4ax.com...

And I'm sorry for unloading stuff here that stresses people out.

Actually I'd rather you talked about it. As long as you're talking you're
not doing and besides, it doesn't stress me out all that much. Truth is I
feel really sad and a little angry at the life that is kicking your ***** and
have this overwhelming sense of compassion for you and sudden surges of what
can I do to help this lovely woman, but not stress in a bad way that hurts
me. You don't have to apologize for unloading here. I mean, you can and I
won't talk you out of it, but that's why we're here. The whole point is to
unload on us. To talk about the bad times, to go through the mechanics, the
plans, the options, say the words, and hash it out in a safe place where
people care a lot about you, and aren't going to freak out everytime you say
"suicide". The beauty of this though is that you don't get to say what we
can and can't handle. Only we do. If I had a serious problem with it I
would have stayed out of your thread so how about you just trust me on that
score. :-)

There is simply too much to deal with, some of it can't be dealt with
except through "acceptance" and I'm sick and tired of accepting loss
after loss, failure after failure.

The best we can do is try and talk someone out of a decision like this.
Ultimately we can't actually do anything about it. But I figure it like
this. This kind of a decision is usually made when we are not at our best
or our healthiest. When we are not thinking clearly. When we are all out
of hope. When trying to see life beyond our immediate pain is like trying
to make out the details through a dirty window. I think it's impossible to
make the right or the best decision for ourselves under those circumstances.
One thing I learned is that timing is everything and life can change in the
blink of an eye. Sometimes it scares the ***** out of me to know that there
was a time when the only thing between me and nothingness and me and
everything since then was a grubby window and five more hours. Talk about a
tragedy. Not a risk I'm willing to take ever again. I know it's different
for everyone, but I really hope it isn't for you.

People die every day, some in ways extremely more heinous than what I
want to do. Everything lives and dies, why is human life worth more
than that of other animals, plants, microbes? Accidents happen all
the time.

Including the life of the guy who is going to develop a cure for all that
ails you? Or any of us? I suppose possibility is the reason why human life
is important to me. We have no way of knowing how important our role here
might be or the kind of ripple affect our lives will have on this world or
the people in it or vice versa, how me might benefit from others lives. Not
unless we stick around and find out. The "you never know" is what keeps me
here now.
--
Rhi
.
User: "%"

Title: Re: There is no way to help me SPOILERED Suicide 17 Jan 2008 01:03:34 PM
Rhiannon wrote:

"Translucent Troglodyte" <translucent.troglodyte@gmail.com> wrote in
message news:mp0vo3h22jfkd9hgonnujgc46e5lk99mk7@4ax.com...

And I'm sorry for unloading stuff here that stresses people out.


Actually I'd rather you talked about it. As long as you're talking
you're not doing and besides, it doesn't stress me out all that much.
Truth is I feel really sad and a little angry at the life that is
kicking your ***** and have this overwhelming sense of compassion for
you and sudden surges of what can I do to help this lovely woman, but
not stress in a bad way that hurts me. You don't have to apologize
for unloading here. I mean, you can and I won't talk you out of it,
but that's why we're here. The whole point is to unload on us. To
talk about the bad times, to go through the mechanics, the plans, the
options, say the words, and hash it out in a safe place where people
care a lot about you, and aren't going to freak out everytime you say
"suicide". The beauty of this though is that you don't get to say
what we can and can't handle. Only we do. If I had a serious
problem with it I would have stayed out of your thread so how about
you just trust me on that score. :-)

There is simply too much to deal with, some of it can't be dealt with
except through "acceptance" and I'm sick and tired of accepting loss
after loss, failure after failure.


The best we can do is try and talk someone out of a decision like
this. Ultimately we can't actually do anything about it. But I
figure it like this. This kind of a decision is usually made when we
are not at our best or our healthiest. When we are not thinking
clearly. When we are all out of hope. When trying to see life
beyond our immediate pain is like trying to make out the details
through a dirty window. I think it's impossible to make the right or
the best decision for ourselves under those circumstances. One thing
I learned is that timing is everything and life can change in the
blink of an eye. Sometimes it scares the ***** out of me to know that
there was a time when the only thing between me and nothingness and
me and everything since then was a grubby window and five more hours.
Talk about a tragedy. Not a risk I'm willing to take ever again. I
know it's different for everyone, but I really hope it isn't for you.

People die every day, some in ways extremely more heinous than what I
want to do. Everything lives and dies, why is human life worth more
than that of other animals, plants, microbes? Accidents happen all
the time.


Including the life of the guy who is going to develop a cure for all
that ails you? Or any of us? I suppose possibility is the reason
why human life is important to me. We have no way of knowing how
important our role here might be or the kind of ripple affect our
lives will have on this world or the people in it or vice versa, how
me might benefit from others lives. Not unless we stick around and
find out. The "you never know" is what keeps me here now.

well i know so feel free to leave
.


User: "BoredToTears"

Title: Re: There is no way to help me 17 Jan 2008 12:56:37 PM
On 17 Jan, 16:37, Translucent Troglodyte
<translucent.troglod...@gmail.com> wrote:

And I'm sorry for unloading stuff here that stresses people out.

There is simply too much to deal with, some of it can't be dealt with
except through "acceptance" and I'm sick and tired of accepting loss
after loss, failure after failure.

People die every day, some in ways extremely more heinous than what I
want to do. =A0Everything lives and dies, why is human life worth more
than that of other animals, plants, microbes? =A0Accidents happen all
the time.

I'll stop bothering y'all now.

TT
--
Moving Beyond the Binary Gender Option

Don't give in to the lies and distortions, TT. Right now you can't see
what worth you have but other people here can, that's obvious to
anyone on the outside looking in.
I hope you'll keep posting and that you'll find the strenght somewhere
to keep fighting.
.

User: "Michelle la Belle"

Title: Re: There is no way to help me 17 Jan 2008 11:12:32 AM
On Jan 17, 11:37=A0am, Translucent Troglodyte
<translucent.troglod...@gmail.com> wrote:

And I'm sorry for unloading stuff here that stresses people out.

There is simply too much to deal with, some of it can't be dealt with
except through "acceptance" and I'm sick and tired of accepting loss
after loss, failure after failure.

People die every day, some in ways extremely more heinous than what I
want to do. =A0Everything lives and dies, why is human life worth more
than that of other animals, plants, microbes? =A0Accidents happen all
the time.

I'll stop bothering y'all now.

TT
--
Moving Beyond the Binary Gender Option

You're not bothering us. That's what we're here for. Keep posting.
.
User: "Nil"

Title: Re: There is no way to help me 17 Jan 2008 12:10:08 PM
On Jan 17, 9:12 am, Michelle la Belle <aminotem...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 17, 11:37 am, Translucent Troglodyte



<translucent.troglod...@gmail.com> wrote:

And I'm sorry for unloading stuff here that stresses people out.


There is simply too much to deal with, some of it can't be dealt with
except through "acceptance" and I'm sick and tired of accepting loss
after loss, failure after failure.


People die every day, some in ways extremely more heinous than what I
want to do. Everything lives and dies, why is human life worth more
than that of other animals, plants, microbes? Accidents happen all
the time.


I'll stop bothering y'all now.


TT
--
Moving Beyond the Binary Gender Option


You're not bothering us. That's what we're here for. Keep posting.

And I'm sorry for unloading stuff here that stresses people out.
There is simply too much to deal with, some of it can't be dealt with
except through "acceptance" and I'm sick and tired of accepting loss
after loss, failure after failure.
People die every day, some in ways extremely more heinous than what I
want to do. Everything lives and dies, why is human life worth more
than that of other animals, plants, microbes? Accidents happen all
the time.
I'll stop bothering y'all now.

Don't give -up as i said, be strong enough to accept all your losses
and failures. Balance yourself to think wisely and good. Don't put
yourself to a critical situation that you are not only the one affected
times you do that. Keep out away from people who you think cannot
give you a good courages in your life. All of us has losses and failures
co'z that is part of our lives. Before our parents gave birth to us it was
already written what life of every individual role on this World. Tighten your
faith on him and he will carry you on the right direction of your life.
We are worth than anything else because we have a role to do on this
World base on his words of Wisdom. If what your real situation this time
please accept it with full of care. As i said don't give-up need you more to
be strong at your present situation. Keep on posting here!

Nil
.


User: "rose"

Title: Re: There is no way to help me 17 Jan 2008 08:59:00 PM
On Jan 17, 8:37=A0am, Translucent Troglodyte
<translucent.troglod...@gmail.com> wrote:

And I'm sorry for unloading stuff here that stresses people out.

There is simply too much to deal with, some of it can't be dealt with
except through "acceptance" and I'm sick and tired of accepting loss
after loss, failure after failure.

People die every day, some in ways extremely more heinous than what I
want to do. =A0Everything lives and dies, why is human life worth more
than that of other animals, plants, microbes? =A0Accidents happen all
the time.

I'll stop bothering y'all now.

TT
--
Moving Beyond the Binary Gender Option

It's so hard to see you in this kind of pain Tru. Your posts
personally don't stress me out at all or bother me in the least. If
anything I wish you'd post more and keep posting your way through
this. I lived through my own agonizing time last year myself where I
was sure I couldn't take it, I couldn't simply 'wait' until I felt
better like I always have to do. I'd been through this cycle of
suicidal depression and feeling better a number of times and I felt I
just couldn't go through it again. However. I remember making a post
asking why people keep trying, why they kept trying med after med, why
they kept going to therapy for years, why they kept trying anything
and everything to feel better when it didn't seem to work. And a
number of people replied to me and said because that's the only thing
there is to do. Because I couldn't possibly know if the next thing I
tried would help. Because continuing to try is the best option there
is despite my illness screaming inside me that I should just stop
trying.
I wish I could say more, other people come up with such inspiring and
helpful things to say and I wish I could give you more than I am. You
are cared about and I hope you'll stay here.
~Rose
.
User: "Contrarian"

Title: Re: There is no way to help me 18 Jan 2008 12:10:03 AM
rose <smudgedrose@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 17, 8:37?am, Translucent Troglodyte
<translucent.troglod...@gmail.com> wrote:

And I'm sorry for unloading stuff here that stresses people out.

[you] personally don't stress me out at all or bother me in the least.
if anything I wish you'd post more and keep posting your way through
this.
Because I couldn't possibly know if the next thing I
tried would help. Because continuing to try is the best option there
is despite my illness screaming inside me that I should just stop
trying.
You are cared about and I hope you'll stay here.

That's my thoughts also
.


User: "Jesters mummy"

Title: Re: There is no way to help me 17 Jan 2008 06:15:16 PM
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:37:20 -0500, Translucent Troglodyte
<translucent.troglodyte@gmail.com> wrote:

<(((*>And I'm sorry for unloading stuff here that stresses people out.

I'd rather you'd unload, if it'll help you cope.

<(((*>People die every day, some in ways extremely more heinous than what I
<(((*>want to do. Everything lives and dies, why is human life worth more
<(((*>than that of other animals, plants, microbes? Accidents happen all
<(((*>the time.

Well, I won't put a value on the plants or the microbes, but I do care a lot for
so many of the animals I know. And the humans. Troglodytes too.

<(((*>I'll stop bothering y'all now.

I hope you'll come back and bother me tomorrow. And the day after.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
The e-mail of the species is more deadly than the mail - Stephen Fry
.

User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: There is no way to help me 17 Jan 2008 10:57:35 AM
Translucent Troglodyte <translucent.troglodyte@gmail.com>
wrote...

And I'm sorry for unloading stuff here that stresses people
out.

There is simply too much to deal with, some of it can't be
dealt with except through "acceptance" and I'm sick and
tired of accepting loss after loss, failure after failure.

People die every day, some in ways extremely more heinous
than what I want to do. Everything lives and dies, why is
human life worth more than that of other animals, plants,
microbes? Accidents happen all the time.

I'll stop bothering y'all now.

TT

Human life might not be worth more, but means more to other
beings, particularly other humans. Other creatures seem to
accommodate loss of life better than we do. For us, it's a
trauma, especially to people who know us and/or love us. It
still hurts me to think of acquaintances who have taken their
lives, people I didn't know as well as I do you.
I really, really wish you wouldn't.
-lisa
.
User: "the_dawggie"

Title: Re: There is no way to help me 18 Jan 2008 02:16:16 AM
On Jan 18, 3:57 am, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:

Translucent Troglodyte <translucent.troglod...@gmail.com>
wrote...

And I'm sorry for unloading stuff here that stresses people
out.


There is simply too much to deal with, some of it can't be
dealt with except through "acceptance" and I'm sick and
tired of accepting loss after loss, failure after failure.


People die every day, some in ways extremely more heinous
than what I want to do. Everything lives and dies, why is
human life worth more than that of other animals, plants,
microbes? Accidents happen all the time.


I'll stop bothering y'all now.


TT


Human life might not be worth more, but means more to other
beings, particularly other humans. Other creatures seem to
accommodate loss of life better than we do. For us, it's a
trauma, especially to people who know us and/or love us. It
still hurts me to think of acquaintances who have taken their
lives, people I didn't know as well as I do you.

I don't quite agree on that. Animals go through the same process.
I've got a couple of Rosella parrot love birds that come to the
balcony
to eat sugar I put for them in a dish. They are always together. This
evening another single turned up and was, not welcome. The two
love birds dont go more than a metre or so away from each other,
and often perch on the balcony rail and snuggle.
Friend's dog was deeply distressed when her partner passed away,
too.
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: There is no way to help me 18 Jan 2008 09:01:25 AM
the_dawggie <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote...

Human life might not be worth more, but means more to
other beings, particularly other humans. Other creatures
seem to accommodate loss of life better than we do. For
us, it's a trauma, especially to people who know us and/or
love us. It still hurts me to think of acquaintances who
have taken their lives, people I didn't know as well as I
do you.


I don't quite agree on that. Animals go through the same
process.

I've got a couple of Rosella parrot love birds that come to
the balcony
to eat sugar I put for them in a dish. They are always
together. This evening another single turned up and was,
not welcome. The two love birds dont go more than a metre
or so away from each other, and often perch on the balcony
rail and snuggle.

Friend's dog was deeply distressed when her partner passed
away, too.

Animals mourn, as well, even get depressed. They seem to
recover better, though. Animals that mate for life won't take
another mate, but rarely cease to function. That seems to be a
human thing.
.




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