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17 Jan 2008 03:40:57 PM |
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There was an article on ADs today |
in the NY Times, no, I don't have the link. It said that most of the
studies that showed that Prozac, Zoloft and Effexor worked did not
include studies which showed that they do not work, or only work about
10 percent better than placebos. There was a half-assed comment by
the current FDA head that said, "It is a matter of 'how much info can
you put on the label insert?' "
So maybe I have been duped for the past 20 years, farting around with
these things, waiting for them to work....then pretending they work,
then pretending they have 'pooped out' on schedule, and pretending the
next one 'worked', and pretending it pooped out on schedule.
It's nice that I can trust my government to lick Lilly's and Phizer's
and Merck's *****, because I am a number, not a person. It's really,
really a great feeling to know that the Lexipro, which does not work,
and which I remember to take every third day probably has no medical
use at all.
And they wonder why I continue trying to self-medicate, and they are
ready to jail people like me for it.
I hate my government, but who doesn't?
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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17 Jan 2008 04:07:12 PM |
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wrote...
in the NY Times, no, I don't have the link. It said that
most of the studies that showed that Prozac, Zoloft and
Effexor worked did not include studies which showed that
they do not work, or only work about 10 percent better than
placebos. There was a half-assed comment by the current
FDA head that said, "It is a matter of 'how much info can
you put on the label insert?' "
So maybe I have been duped for the past 20 years, farting
around with these things, waiting for them to work....then
pretending they work, then pretending they have 'pooped
out' on schedule, and pretending the next one 'worked', and
pretending it pooped out on schedule.
It's nice that I can trust my government to lick Lilly's
and Phizer's and Merck's *****, because I am a number, not a
person. It's really, really a great feeling to know that
the Lexipro, which does not work, and which I remember to
take every third day probably has no medical use at all.
And they wonder why I continue trying to self-medicate, and
they are ready to jail people like me for it.
I hate my government, but who doesn't?
Effexor definitely helped me after a slew of meds didn't. And
I wouldn't be doing as well as I am without my Parnate (which
has even better evidence for efficacy). Even if there's a
small response rate for any given med doesn't mean that that
drug won't help you as an individual.
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| User: "" |
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17 Jan 2008 07:00:45 PM |
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On Jan 17, 5:07 pm, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:
Jogwh...@gmail.com wrote...
in the NY Times, no, I don't have the link. It said that
most of the studies that showed that Prozac, Zoloft and
Effexor worked did not include studies which showed that
they do not work, or only work about 10 percent better than
placebos. There was a half-assed comment by the current
FDA head that said, "It is a matter of 'how much info can
you put on the label insert?' "
So maybe I have been duped for the past 20 years, farting
around with these things, waiting for them to work....then
pretending they work, then pretending they have 'pooped
out' on schedule, and pretending the next one 'worked', and
pretending it pooped out on schedule.
It's nice that I can trust my government to lick Lilly's
and Phizer's and Merck's *****, because I am a number, not a
person. It's really, really a great feeling to know that
the Lexipro, which does not work, and which I remember to
take every third day probably has no medical use at all.
And they wonder why I continue trying to self-medicate, and
they are ready to jail people like me for it.
I hate my government, but who doesn't?
Effexor definitely helped me after a slew of meds didn't. And
I wouldn't be doing as well as I am without my Parnate (which
has even better evidence for efficacy). Even if there's a
small response rate for any given med doesn't mean that that
drug won't help you as an individual.
I need to change on my visit in February. Last time he said to me,
"So, you a new man on the Lex?" I said, "No."
Parnate made me happy in the early 80s. I think the old ones are
probably as good as the new ones. Maybe I'll get on Parnate again.
It had some pleasurable side effects.
I've been on seemingly everything. I need something that
works....something that causes that huge change in dynamics.
I've had my miracle months in the last 26 years playing in this
waiting room. I need it again.
Brian of the Naugatuck River
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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17 Jan 2008 07:50:49 PM |
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wrote...
Parnate made me happy in the early 80s. I think the old
ones are probably as good as the new ones. Maybe I'll get
on Parnate again. It had some pleasurable side effects.
The problem with Parnate is the diet. I hate not having cheese.
My first lunch when I had to go off Parnate a year or so ago was
a bacon cheeseburger. No ham, no bacon, no smoked fish, careful
with the sausages, fresh only. I hate it. But I hate being
suicidally depressed more.
We're going to Costa Rica next month. I have to make up a sheet
to show waiters in restaurants what I can't eat, since I don't
know that I'll be able to read all the ingredients. Slip up, and
I could have a stroke with only a village clinic for care.
Scary.
-lisa
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| User: "%" |
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17 Jan 2008 07:11:04 PM |
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wrote:
On Jan 17, 5:07 pm, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:
Jogwh...@gmail.com wrote...
in the NY Times, no, I don't have the link. It said that
most of the studies that showed that Prozac, Zoloft and
Effexor worked did not include studies which showed that
they do not work, or only work about 10 percent better than
placebos. There was a half-assed comment by the current
FDA head that said, "It is a matter of 'how much info can
you put on the label insert?' "
So maybe I have been duped for the past 20 years, farting
around with these things, waiting for them to work....then
pretending they work, then pretending they have 'pooped
out' on schedule, and pretending the next one 'worked', and
pretending it pooped out on schedule.
It's nice that I can trust my government to lick Lilly's
and Phizer's and Merck's *****, because I am a number, not a
person. It's really, really a great feeling to know that
the Lexipro, which does not work, and which I remember to
take every third day probably has no medical use at all.
And they wonder why I continue trying to self-medicate, and
they are ready to jail people like me for it.
I hate my government, but who doesn't?
Effexor definitely helped me after a slew of meds didn't. And
I wouldn't be doing as well as I am without my Parnate (which
has even better evidence for efficacy). Even if there's a
small response rate for any given med doesn't mean that that
drug won't help you as an individual.
I need to change on my visit in February. Last time he said to me,
"So, you a new man on the Lex?" I said, "No."
Parnate made me happy in the early 80s. I think the old ones are
probably as good as the new ones. Maybe I'll get on Parnate again.
It had some pleasurable side effects.
I've been on seemingly everything. I need something that
works....something that causes that huge change in dynamics.
I've had my miracle months in the last 26 years playing in this
waiting room. I need it again.
Brian of the Naugatuck River
groovy
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| User: "rose" |
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17 Jan 2008 08:32:21 PM |
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On Jan 17, 1:40=A0pm, wrote:
in the NY Times, no, I don't have the link. =A0It said that most of the
studies that showed that Prozac, Zoloft and Effexor worked did not
include studies which showed that they do not work, or only work about
10 percent better than placebos. =A0There was a half-assed comment by
the current FDA head that said, "It is a matter of 'how much info can
you put on the label insert?' "
So maybe I have been duped for the past 20 years, farting around with
these things, waiting for them to work....then pretending they work,
then pretending they have 'pooped out' on schedule, and pretending the
next one 'worked', and pretending it pooped out on schedule.
It's nice that I can trust my government to lick Lilly's and Phizer's
and Merck's *****, because I am a number, not a person. =A0It's really,
really a great feeling to know that the Lexipro, which does not work,
and which I remember to take every third day probably has no medical
use at all.
And they wonder why I continue trying to self-medicate, and they are
ready to jail people like me for it.
I hate my government, but who doesn't?
I read that and at first I was really pissed and thought, well that's
it, I'll just go off my meds today then, who needs the hassle and the
financial burden. But after calming down, all I know is that they
work for plenty of people, including people here, and for myself, I
don't care if they truly work or if it's a placebo affect, I'm never
going off them. I need them and I'm so much worse without them and
life becomes unbearable. Boy, wouldn't Fast Recovery just love this
article?
~Rose
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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17 Jan 2008 08:38:35 PM |
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rose <smudgedrose@gmail.com> wrote...
On Jan 17, 1:40 pm, wrote:
in the NY Times, no, I don't have the link. It said that
most of the studies that showed that Prozac, Zoloft and
Effexor worked did not include studies which showed that
they do not work, or only work about 10 percent better
than placebos. There was a half-assed comment by the
current FDA head that said, "It is a matter of 'how much
info can you put on the label insert?' "
So maybe I have been duped for the past 20 years, farting
around with these things, waiting for them to work....then
pretending they work, then pretending they have 'pooped
out' on schedule, and pretending the next one 'worked',
and pretending it pooped out on schedule.
It's nice that I can trust my government to lick Lilly's
and Phizer's and Merck's *****, because I am a number, not a
person. It's really, really a great feeling to know that
the Lexipro, which does not work, and which I remember to
take every third day probably has no medical use at all.
And they wonder why I continue trying to self-medicate,
and they are ready to jail people like me for it.
I hate my government, but who doesn't?
I read that and at first I was really pissed and thought,
well that's it, I'll just go off my meds today then, who
needs the hassle and the financial burden. But after
calming down, all I know is that they work for plenty of
people, including people here, and for myself, I don't care
if they truly work or if it's a placebo affect, I'm never
going off them. I need them and I'm so much worse without
them and life becomes unbearable. Boy, wouldn't Fast
Recovery just love this article?
~Rose
Well, like I was saying to Brian, even if they worked 10%
better than placebos, that's one person in ten that was
helped. I've been through more than ten meds in search of
something that would really work for me. It would be great if
there was one med, even two, that would help everyone, but it
doesn't seem to work like that. I'm on something that does the
trick for me now, and I'm not giving it up until it craps out,
hopefully years from now.
-lisa
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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18 Jan 2008 12:14:52 AM |
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rose <smudgedrose@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 17, 1:40?pm, wrote:
in the NY Times, no, I don't have the link. ?It said that most of the
studies that showed that Prozac, Zoloft and Effexor worked did not
include studies which showed that they do not work, or only work about
10 percent better than placebos.
Some of them work for some ppl, some don't. We still don't know
why that's the case.
I read that and at first I was really pissed and thought, well that's
it, I'll just go off my meds today then, who needs the hassle and the
financial burden. But after calming down, all I know is that they
work for plenty of people, including people here, and for myself, I
don't care if they truly work or if it's a placebo affect, I'm never
going off them. I need them and I'm so much worse without them and
life becomes unbearable. Boy, wouldn't Fast Recovery just love this
article?
I started looking for a Rx-oriented pdoc after a local magazine
published a "they work" article, went to several until I found
one. Anecdotal reports were good enough for me. I *knew* I
wouldn't know unless I tried, bc I'd earlier been told to change
from aspririn to ibuprofen, and the latter was a big improvement.
(I don't need either now)
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| User: "aj suburban dude" |
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17 Jan 2008 10:30:46 PM |
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On Jan 17, 3:40=A0pm, wrote:
=A0It's really,
really a great feeling to know that the Lexipro, which does not work,
and which I remember to take every third day probably has no medical
use at all.
for me, Lexapro actually does work on some aspects of my depression. I
don't cry while I'm on it. It certainly has some effect.
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| User: "" |
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17 Jan 2008 11:30:51 PM |
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On Jan 17, 11:30 pm, aj suburban dude <suburbanl...@mail.com> wrote:
On Jan 17, 3:40 pm, wrote:
It's really,
really a great feeling to know that the Lexipro, which does not work,
and which I remember to take every third day probably has no medical
use at all.
for me, Lexapro actually does work on some aspects of my depression. I
don't cry while I'm on it. It certainly has some effect.
I can't naysay all ADs because of the article...Tom Cruise has better
reasons, apparently. They work for people, they have worked for me,
it's just a crap shoot and I can see why people give up. The doctors
I know give up...I don't get many calls from them asking if it's
working, explaining we should try another...I just get a bill.
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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17 Jan 2008 11:57:19 PM |
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aj suburban dude <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote:
On Jan 17, 3:40?pm, wrote:
?It's really,
really a great feeling to know that the Lexipro, which does not work,
and which I remember to take every third day probably has no medical
use at all.
for me, Lexapro actually does work on some aspects of my depression. I
don't cry while I'm on it. It certainly has some effect.
I've got to find that C&E News.
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| User: "%" |
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17 Jan 2008 10:34:34 PM |
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aj suburban dude wrote:
On Jan 17, 3:40 pm, wrote:
It's really,
really a great feeling to know that the Lexipro, which does not work,
and which I remember to take every third day probably has no medical
use at all.
for me, Lexapro actually does work on some aspects of my depression. I
don't cry while I'm on it. It certainly has some effect.
i don't cry when you're on it either
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| User: "Michelle la Belle" |
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17 Jan 2008 05:24:15 PM |
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On Jan 17, 4:40=A0pm, wrote:
in the NY Times, no, I don't have the link. =A0It said that most of the
studies that showed that Prozac, Zoloft and Effexor worked did not
include studies which showed that they do not work, or only work about
10 percent better than placebos. =A0There was a half-assed comment by
the current FDA head that said, "It is a matter of 'how much info can
you put on the label insert?' "
So maybe I have been duped for the past 20 years, farting around with
these things, waiting for them to work....then pretending they work,
then pretending they have 'pooped out' on schedule, and pretending the
next one 'worked', and pretending it pooped out on schedule.
It's nice that I can trust my government to lick Lilly's and Phizer's
and Merck's *****, because I am a number, not a person. =A0It's really,
really a great feeling to know that the Lexipro, which does not work,
and which I remember to take every third day probably has no medical
use at all.
And they wonder why I continue trying to self-medicate, and they are
ready to jail people like me for it.
I hate my government, but who doesn't?
If a drug, if I understand correctly, helps only 1% of people who try
it, they will market it.
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| User: "Teilhard Knight" |
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17 Jan 2008 03:59:37 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:40:57 -0800, Jogwheel wrote:
in the NY Times, no, I don't have the link. It said that most of the
studies that showed that Prozac, Zoloft and Effexor worked did not
include studies which showed that they do not work, or only work about
10 percent better than placebos. There was a half-assed comment by the
current FDA head that said, "It is a matter of 'how much info can you
put on the label insert?' "
So maybe I have been duped for the past 20 years, farting around with
these things, waiting for them to work....then pretending they work,
then pretending they have 'pooped out' on schedule, and pretending the
next one 'worked', and pretending it pooped out on schedule.
It's nice that I can trust my government to lick Lilly's and Phizer's
and Merck's *****, because I am a number, not a person. It's really,
really a great feeling to know that the Lexipro, which does not work,
and which I remember to take every third day probably has no medical use
at all.
And they wonder why I continue trying to self-medicate, and they are
ready to jail people like me for it.
I hate my government, but who doesn't?
Effexor and Risperdal work on me.
--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
I'm not screwed up......It's all in my mind
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| User: "rose" |
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17 Jan 2008 08:32:48 PM |
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On Jan 17, 1:59=A0pm, Teilhard Knight <tei...@privacy.net> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:40:57 -0800, Jogwheel wrote:
in the NY Times, no, I don't have the link. =A0It said that most of the
studies that showed that Prozac, Zoloft and Effexor worked did not
include studies which showed that they do not work, or only work about
10 percent better than placebos. =A0There was a half-assed comment by th=
e
current FDA head that said, "It is a matter of 'how much info can you
put on the label insert?' "
So maybe I have been duped for the past 20 years, farting around with
these things, waiting for them to work....then pretending they work,
then pretending they have 'pooped out' on schedule, and pretending the
next one 'worked', and pretending it pooped out on schedule.
It's nice that I can trust my government to lick Lilly's and Phizer's
and Merck's *****, because I am a number, not a person. =A0It's really,
really a great feeling to know that the Lexipro, which does not work,
and which I remember to take every third day probably has no medical use=
at all.
And they wonder why I continue trying to self-medicate, and they are
ready to jail people like me for it.
I hate my government, but who doesn't?
Effexor and Risperdal work on me.
--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
I'm not screwed up......It's all in my mind- Hide quoted text -
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GOOD! Hi Teil! I know I still owe you an email, I'll get to it soon
I promise. Hope you're well.
~Rose
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| User: "" |
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17 Jan 2008 06:54:30 PM |
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On Jan 17, 4:59 pm, Teilhard Knight <tei...@privacy.net> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:40:57 -0800, Jogwheel wrote:
in the NY Times, no, I don't have the link. It said that most of the
studies that showed that Prozac, Zoloft and Effexor worked did not
include studies which showed that they do not work, or only work about
10 percent better than placebos. There was a half-assed comment by the
current FDA head that said, "It is a matter of 'how much info can you
put on the label insert?' "
So maybe I have been duped for the past 20 years, farting around with
these things, waiting for them to work....then pretending they work,
then pretending they have 'pooped out' on schedule, and pretending the
next one 'worked', and pretending it pooped out on schedule.
It's nice that I can trust my government to lick Lilly's and Phizer's
and Merck's *****, because I am a number, not a person. It's really,
really a great feeling to know that the Lexipro, which does not work,
and which I remember to take every third day probably has no medical use
at all.
And they wonder why I continue trying to self-medicate, and they are
ready to jail people like me for it.
I hate my government, but who doesn't?
Effexor and Risperdal work on me.
I have been on both of those. Effexor with Prozac seemeed to make me
happy. Risperbal...I get that mixed up with olazanzapine/
Zyprexa...one of them made me gain 15 pounds in about 2 weeks, and the
other gave me "obnoxious behavior disorder" (I ***** you not), which
went like this..."you are a f*^*ing a^^hole", to my father. His
response: "why did you say that?" my response:"I have no idea."
I read an article, I am not having the best winter ever, I'm looking
for someone to blame...a heartless corp. is as good a target as any.
Brian of the Hudson
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Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
I'm not screwed up......It's all in my mind
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| User: "%" |
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17 Jan 2008 04:06:40 PM |
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Teilhard Knight wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:40:57 -0800, Jogwheel wrote:
in the NY Times, no, I don't have the link. It said that most of the
studies that showed that Prozac, Zoloft and Effexor worked did not
include studies which showed that they do not work, or only work
about 10 percent better than placebos. There was a half-assed
comment by the current FDA head that said, "It is a matter of 'how
much info can you put on the label insert?' "
So maybe I have been duped for the past 20 years, farting around with
these things, waiting for them to work....then pretending they work,
then pretending they have 'pooped out' on schedule, and pretending
the next one 'worked', and pretending it pooped out on schedule.
It's nice that I can trust my government to lick Lilly's and Phizer's
and Merck's *****, because I am a number, not a person. It's really,
really a great feeling to know that the Lexipro, which does not work,
and which I remember to take every third day probably has no medical
use at all.
And they wonder why I continue trying to self-medicate, and they are
ready to jail people like me for it.
I hate my government, but who doesn't?
Effexor and Risperdal work on me.
yea but you're a chef now
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