It flys by and yet there is so much of it,, it seems to hang there
sometimes and then I look back and a year is gone,
Every morning when I leave for work there are about 15 teenagers out there
waiting for the bus, ! where the hell did they come from,,,, sometimes I feel
like I have been away or something ,,,, everything seems strange to me,
different,,, fuzzy,
Sure don't feel like waving any American flags now after this horrible
prison thing, It's really just an extension of that playground behavior that
some kids exhibt, some people get a charge out of humilitating other people,
its a power thing I guess,,,, I don't think this is a gender specific thing
,,,,,, girls do this to although with them its harder to spot ,,,,, I can't
bear it really,
and then this execution,,,,,,,,, did they send his head home? where is his
head? probably on a stick somewhere,,,,,, its like something out of Alexander
the Great , I swear in 3 thousand years the heart of man has not changed,
things change all around us, but the heart of man does not change,,,,,, jill
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13 May 2004 10:06:18 AM |
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* snippedy *
.. , I swear in 3 thousand years the heart of man has not changed, things
change all around us, but the heart of man does not change,,,,,, jill
(Jer 17:9) The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked:
who can know it?
Yes indeed - no wonder the sky feels like it's falling!
It's not. But it feels like it is..
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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13 May 2004 06:28:19 PM |
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(JJ9691) wrote in message news:<20040513105437.28410.00000313@mb-m28.aol.com>...
Sure don't feel like waving any American flags now after this horrible
prison thing,
I think flag waving is one of the reasons these conflicts
start...The only flag I'd like to wave is the "Planet Earth Flag",or
maybe "Universe Flag"(I don't want to descriminate against other
planets.)
Krishnamurti has said that all labels are violent,and I think
that's true.Anytime we celebrate ourselves for being a certain
nationality,religion,group ect...we are seperating ourselves from
other people,everything becomes "us against them"...but the point is
that there is no us and them,there is only one...which is the energy
of the universe.Everything comes from that universal energy...
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| User: "Whateverafter" |
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14 May 2004 02:06:13 PM |
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Subject: Re: time
From: (alvintchase)
Date: 5/13/2004 5:28 PM Central America Standard Time
Message-id: <a78957eb.0405131528.4fb914f4@posting.google.com>
jj9691@aol.com (JJ9691) wrote in message
news:<20040513105437.28410.00000313@mb-m28.aol.com>...
Sure don't feel like waving any American flags now after this horrible
prison thing,
I think flag waving is one of the reasons these conflicts
start...The only flag I'd like to wave is the "Planet Earth Flag",or
maybe "Universe Flag"(I don't want to descriminate against other
planets.)
Krishnamurti has said that all labels are violent,and I think
that's true.Anytime we celebrate ourselves for being a certain
nationality,religion,group ect...we are seperating ourselves from
other people,everything becomes "us against them"...but the point is
that there is no us and them,there is only one...which is the energy
of the universe.Everything comes from that universal energy...
Yes, I agree with you. The Bible too says that we all have but one spirit.
It also teaches that "God is not partial, but in every nation the man that
fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him." Acts 10: 34, 35.
so how could we go and fight for any one nation above the other if there are
our brothers in every nation. Then we would be like Cain and killing our
brothers.
Also Jesus taught to 'love your enemies' and 'to pray for them'.
The early christians did not engage in physical warfare, and neither do
christians today.
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| User: "Dick Thiebaud" |
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14 May 2004 04:14:45 PM |
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On 14 May 2004 19:06:13 GMT, (Whateverafter) wrotd:
The early christians did not engage in physical warfare, and neither do
christians today.
Possibly--depending on how you define "christians".
Those who call themselves "christians" engage in at least as much physical
warfare as those who don't.
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| User: "Whateverafter" |
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15 May 2004 08:39:36 PM |
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Subject: Re: time
From: ***** Thiebaud
Date: 5/14/2004 3:14 PM Central America Standard Time
Message-id: <7hdaa0ddp8q73rhtsovfcrmh9r6hl2eue6@4ax.com>
On 14 May 2004 19:06:13 GMT, (Whateverafter) wrotd:
The early christians did not engage in physical warfare, and neither do
christians today.
Possibly--depending on how you define "christians".
Those who call themselves "christians" engage in at least as much physical
warfare as those who don't.
That's true.
The early christians were all organized into one body of believers who were
spread out into different areas. They gathered together in congregations, but
all were taught to
'think in agreement' and so were all one faith. They didn't have differences
that separated them, like some would become soldiers while others didn't, or
some would believe one thing but other congregations taught another
interpretation. They were all taught to 'beat their swords into plowshares'
and to 'put away their swords.
It is the same among true Christians today.
"Wherever the caracass is, there the eagles will be gathered together."
Matt. 24:28.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: time |
16 May 2004 12:49:31 AM |
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In message <20040515213936.21319.00001542@mb-m04.aol.com>, Whateverafter
<whateverafter@aol.com> writes
The early christians were all organized into one body of believers who were
spread out into different areas. They gathered together in congregations, but
all were taught to
'think in agreement' and so were all one faith. They didn't have differences
that separated them, like some would become soldiers while others didn't, or
some would believe one thing but other congregations taught another
interpretation. They were all taught to 'beat their swords into plowshares'
and to 'put away their swords.
It is the same among true Christians today.
There were an awful lot of warlike Christians between 'early' and
'today'.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Whateverafter" |
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16 May 2004 01:10:50 PM |
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Subject: Re: time
From: Alan Harding
Date: 5/15/2004 11:49 PM Central America Standard Time
Message-id: <Y0LJnJwrDwpAFwSv@harding.demon.co.uk>
In message <20040515213936.21319.00001542@mb-m04.aol.com>, Whateverafter
<whateverafter@aol.com> writes
The early christians were all organized into one body of believers who
were
spread out into different areas. They gathered together in congregations,
but
all were taught to
'think in agreement' and so were all one faith. They didn't have
differences
that separated them, like some would become soldiers while others didn't, or
some would believe one thing but other congregations taught another
interpretation. They were all taught to 'beat their swords into plowshares'
and to 'put away their swords.
It is the same among true Christians today.
There were an awful lot of warlike Christians between 'early' and
'today'.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
Yep, definitely for sure! That's what Paul was refering to when he warned
about the apostacy that was already starting in his day, and that he warned
would proliferate after the apostles' deaths.
The parable of the 'wheat and the weeds' alluded to this also. With the
blending of the 'church' and state. and
constantine, christianity was compromised and "Bablylon the Great" began her
ride over the nations of the earth. As the Bible put it , the 'truth' got
'exchanged for the lie".
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| User: "solidac" |
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16 May 2004 05:11:21 PM |
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* snip
The parable of the 'wheat and the weeds' alluded to this also. With
the
blending of the 'church' and state. and
constantine, christianity was compromised and "Bablylon the Great" began
her
ride over the nations of the earth. As the Bible put it , the 'truth' got
'exchanged for the lie".
the birth of 'churchianity' with all it's attendant pagan pageantry
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: time |
16 May 2004 01:19:53 AM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <20040515213936.21319.00001542@mb-m04.aol.com>, Whateverafter
<whateverafter@aol.com> writes
The early christians were all organized into one body of believers
who were
spread out into different areas. They gathered together in
congregations, but
all were taught to
'think in agreement' and so were all one faith. They didn't have
differences
that separated them, like some would become soldiers while others
didn't, or
some would believe one thing but other congregations taught another
interpretation. They were all taught to 'beat their swords into
plowshares'
and to 'put away their swords.
It is the same among true Christians today.
There were an awful lot of warlike Christians between 'early' and 'today'.
Remember how you chastized me for slamming Islam, and justified Thomas
slamming Christianity? You said Christianity has hurt a lot of people.
http://wizbangblog.com/archives/002452.php
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: time |
16 May 2004 07:24:55 AM |
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In message <40A70808.8070607@comcast.net>, Janithor
<Janithor@comcast.net> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
There were an awful lot of warlike Christians between 'early' and
'today'.
Remember how you chastized me for slamming Islam, and justified Thomas
slamming Christianity? You said Christianity has hurt a lot of people.
As far back as I remember, there have always been people on asd that
have been willing to say that a large part of their depression was
caused by Christians or one particular Christian church.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: time |
16 May 2004 10:59:49 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <40A70808.8070607@comcast.net>, Janithor
<Janithor@comcast.net> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
There were an awful lot of warlike Christians between 'early' and
'today'.
Remember how you chastized me for slamming Islam, and justified Thomas
slamming Christianity? You said Christianity has hurt a lot of people.
As far back as I remember, there have always been people on asd that
have been willing to say that a large part of their depression was
caused by Christians or one particular Christian church.
Is it possible that this might apply to other religions as well? Say, I
don't know, Islam? Maybe?
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: time |
17 May 2004 01:33:41 AM |
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In message <40A838B5.7060009@comcast.net>, Janithor
<Janithor@comcast.net> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <40A70808.8070607@comcast.net>, Janithor
<Janithor@comcast.net> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
There were an awful lot of warlike Christians between 'early' and
'today'.
Remember how you chastized me for slamming Islam, and justified
Thomas slamming Christianity? You said Christianity has hurt a lot
of people.
As far back as I remember, there have always been people on asd
that have been willing to say that a large part of their depression
was caused by Christians or one particular Christian church.
Is it possible that this might apply to other religions as well? Say,
I don't know, Islam? Maybe?
I do not recall anyone ever saying on asd that any religion other than
Christianity had caused them trouble.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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17 May 2004 11:48:42 AM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
I do not recall anyone ever saying on asd that any religion other than
Christianity had caused them trouble.
Me too.
In face-to-face life, I know of one person abused and harmed by newagers and
another by neo-pagan syncretists. I have heard of abuses in the Buddhist
sangha, North American shamanistic traditionalism, Hindu practice, Sikhism
and Islam. But the number of people I know and incidents I've heard of
involving Christian practice and/or institutions and abuse of people is
still way out there, unbalanced. I think it is just because abusers go to
the easiest thing they can hide in and if they decide to clothe themselves
and their activity in religious garb in Western culture what they find
first is Christianity. Also, such things as the Roman Catholic church
maintaining and supporting the Christian Brothers monasteries, schools and
orphanages for, like, two centuries now, and the community and familial
isolationism practiced by many Protestant denominations makes those
religious institutions, or even just observances, ideal for the activity of
abusers. I don't think the problem is with Christianity, just some of the
practitioners are asocial and some aspects of the institutions are too
easily exploited by abusive people.
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| User: "RGBs Neighbot" |
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17 May 2004 09:29:55 PM |
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In article <YoDJgLXFzFqAFwbq@harding.demon.co.uk>,
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I do not recall anyone ever saying on asd that any religion other than
Christianity had caused them trouble.
And how many women raised by fundamentalist Muslims post here?
DUH.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: time |
18 May 2004 01:22:24 AM |
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In message <--C7803B.19302717052004@news.easynews.com>, RGB's Neighbot
<-@-.-> writes
In article <YoDJgLXFzFqAFwbq@harding.demon.co.uk>,
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I do not recall anyone ever saying on asd that any religion other than
Christianity had caused them trouble.
And how many women raised by fundamentalist Muslims post here?
DUH.
I have no idea, merely that I don't recall any of them complaining about
it. It was where this thing with Janithor started this time, though it
never seems to be important with him where he can deviate from.
A question for you: How many Moslem women lurkers are there? It's quite
possible that there are some, though we'll never know unless they speak.
Maybe some of them consider that their religious experience was unhappy.
Maybe Islam doesn't produce that effect (though that would upset
Janithor). Maybe you have to live somewhere where you can see
alternatives to feel how bad it was, which might limit the numbers who
would complain.
It's all possible, but a story untold. A few months' research, and
someone could have a novel there; how a young, attractive woman was so
badly treated that she had to sneak out of her country in search of a
religious freedom she found on the Internet. It should sell well in the
West if biased enough. They could use a Hispanic actress (Penelope
Cruz?) in the film - they're not white, are they?
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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18 May 2004 01:43:34 AM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
A question for you: How many Moslem women lurkers are there?
Women? What about men?
http://www.sufi-spiritual-abuse-recovery-assistance.org/
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: time |
18 May 2004 03:58:08 AM |
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In message <2gtpkoF6ntt9U1@uni-berlin.de>, Bev Thornton
<bevthornton@email.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
A question for you: How many Moslem women lurkers are there?
Women? What about men?
Men didn't fit my plot for a novel. :)
Oddly (perhaps not), I think almost all the posters I can remember
saying had had major problems due to religion were women. Perhaps it's
an indication of the extreme nature of problematic cults that they treat
women badly? After all, a good few mainstream beliefs would have women
as second-class, or second-rate; the extreme forms tend to exaggerate
existing beliefs, don't they?
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: time |
18 May 2004 08:29:44 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
Oddly (perhaps not), I think almost all the posters I can remember
saying had had major problems due to religion were women. Perhaps it's
an indication of the extreme nature of problematic cults that they treat
women badly? After all, a good few mainstream beliefs would have women
as second-class, or second-rate; the extreme forms tend to exaggerate
existing beliefs, don't they?
Yes, that's what they do.
Most of that sort of abuse is perpetrated by men. The great monotheistic
religions are all obviously patriarchal, even Judaism with its matriarchal
genealogy creates patriarchal environments. In Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism
and Sufi Islam, male religious figures have more opportunity for committing
abuse than do female ones.
I've seen the abusive cults in Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism and
Scientific Materialism and they are all pretty much the same. The only
different one that I know of is $pyontology, I don't even know what
category that would go into, it isn't really a religion by any standard or
scholarly definition of the word. I guess it would be Science Fiction as a
religion.
I wonder about the pattern of the complaints too. Especially since what we
see here comes mostly from the UK, USA, Australia, NZ and Canada, and
there's a sizable percentage of non-Christians in those populations, 10%
Scientific Materialist (they call themselves non-religious) and just under
10% other. Both groups have their cults too. So, if everything was even,
maybe there'd be one in five of the complaints coming from something other
than Christianity, Erhardt Seminars Training or whatever. But there isn't.
Or, at least, there hasn't been.
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| User: "yuluwirri" |
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19 May 2004 02:55:28 AM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 09:58:08 +0100, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <2gtpkoF6ntt9U1@uni-berlin.de>, Bev Thornton
<bevthornton@email.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
A question for you: How many Moslem women lurkers are there?
Women? What about men?
Men didn't fit my plot for a novel. :)
Oddly (perhaps not), I think almost all the posters I can remember
saying had had major problems due to religion were women. Perhaps it's
an indication of the extreme nature of problematic cults that they treat
women badly? After all, a good few mainstream beliefs would have women
as second-class, or second-rate; the extreme forms tend to exaggerate
existing beliefs, don't they?
Hi Alan,
I haven't read much of this thread but I wanted to say that I know of
men who have been in the same cult that I was,who have been badly
affected too. Even though the women were treated worse than the men,
the men still had many issues to work through.
(please excuse my grammar - brain fog)
--
yuluwirri
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Fish know.
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yuluwirri@hotmail.com
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| User: "RGBs Neighbot" |
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| Title: Re: time |
18 May 2004 01:54:48 AM |
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In article <uuqkxlxguaqAFwMK@harding.demon.co.uk>,
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I have no idea
Ooooooooooh, yes you do.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: time |
18 May 2004 03:58:33 AM |
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In message <--29CA9C.23544717052004@news.easynews.com>, RGB's Neighbot
<-@-.-> writes
In article <uuqkxlxguaqAFwMK@harding.demon.co.uk>,
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I have no idea
Ooooooooooh, yes you do.
I have too many ideas. Better?
--
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just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: time |
18 May 2004 06:19:33 AM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <--C7803B.19302717052004@news.easynews.com>, RGB's Neighbot
<-@-.-> writes
In article <YoDJgLXFzFqAFwbq@harding.demon.co.uk>,
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I do not recall anyone ever saying on asd that any religion other than
Christianity had caused them trouble.
And how many women raised by fundamentalist Muslims post here?
DUH.
I have no idea, merely that I don't recall any of them complaining about
it. It was where this thing with Janithor started this time, though it
never seems to be important with him where he can deviate from.
A question for you: How many Moslem women lurkers are there? It's quite
possible that there are some, though we'll never know unless they speak.
Maybe some of them consider that their religious experience was unhappy.
Maybe Islam doesn't produce that effect (though that would upset
Janithor).
Funny how you make this statement, and you make no apologies for your
anti-Christian bigotry and hate.
Did you ever stop and think that there are also people who have had
positive experiences in their respective church? I suppose not,
because, to paraphrase you, that would upset you. Is it possible that
there are some decent Christians, maybe a few? My gosh, IIRC, there are
even a few Christians on this very newsgroup! But they don't count I
guess, right? Oh wait, that's a game I'm playing, not a logical
consequence of your own statements.
Stop the hate.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: time |
18 May 2004 04:30:37 PM |
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In message <40A9F144.4050009@comcast.net>, Janithor
<Janithor@comcast.net> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <--C7803B.19302717052004@news.easynews.com>, RGB's
Neighbot <-@-.-> writes
In article <YoDJgLXFzFqAFwbq@harding.demon.co.uk>,
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I do not recall anyone ever saying on asd that any religion other than
Christianity had caused them trouble.
And how many women raised by fundamentalist Muslims post here?
DUH.
I have no idea, merely that I don't recall any of them complaining
about it. It was where this thing with Janithor started this time,
though it never seems to be important with him where he can deviate from.
A question for you: How many Moslem women lurkers are there? It's
quite possible that there are some, though we'll never know unless
they speak. Maybe some of them consider that their religious
experience was unhappy. Maybe Islam doesn't produce that effect
(though that would upset Janithor).
Funny how you make this statement, and you make no apologies for your
anti-Christian bigotry and hate.
Did you ever stop and think that there are also people who have had
positive experiences in their respective church? I suppose not,
because, to paraphrase you, that would upset you. Is it possible that
there are some decent Christians, maybe a few? My gosh, IIRC, there
are even a few Christians on this very newsgroup! But they don't count
I guess, right? Oh wait, that's a game I'm playing, not a logical
consequence of your own statements.
Stop the hate.
Do you invent other people's positions to have an argument about
something different from their conversation by choice, or can't you help
yourself?
--
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just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: time |
18 May 2004 04:35:56 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
Do you invent other people's positions to have an argument about
something different from their conversation by choice, or can't you help
yourself?
Some people can't help it.
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: time |
18 May 2004 07:04:33 PM |
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Bev Thornton wrote:
Alan Harding wrote:
Do you invent other people's positions to have an argument about
something different from their conversation by choice, or can't you help
yourself?
Some people can't help it.
Nonsense. I've given him plenty of opportunities to clarify his
position if I'm mischaracterizing it. If I'm wrong, then fine, I'm
wrong! Show me!
The fact remains that Alan continues:
* When problems with religion are discussed, Alan ONLY brings up
Christianity
* When Christianity is discussed, Alan ONLY brings up problems with it
This fits my definition of a bigot and a basher. He hasn't demonstrated
anything else, and when confronted with his own statements, he starts
talking about how I'm inventing things and playing games, rather than
concretely and directly addressing the issue.
As I've stated, I stand behind everything I write. If I'm wrong, then
I'll eat crow. I still don't see any counter-evidence to suggest
anything other than that Alan is an anti-Christian bigot. When he
produces actual evidence that demonstrates otherwise, I'll change my
position.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: time |
18 May 2004 07:57:30 PM |
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Janithor wrote:
Some people can't help it.
Nonsense. I've given him plenty of opportunities to clarify his
position if I'm mischaracterizing it. If I'm wrong, then fine, I'm
wrong! Show me!
It's not him, it's maybe you and RGB.
The fact remains that Alan continues:
* When problems with religion are discussed, Alan ONLY brings up
Christianity
* When Christianity is discussed, Alan ONLY brings up problems with it
Well, that's his right.
This fits my definition of a bigot and a basher. He hasn't demonstrated
anything else, and when confronted with his own statements, he starts
talking about how I'm inventing things and playing games, rather than
concretely and directly addressing the issue.
But you are inventing things and maybe to him it looks like you're playing
games. You are presupposing motivations on Alan's part. So is RGB.
Figuratively, words were even put in Alan's mouth with a set of double
quotes. He's been accused of hate. Based on what? Expressing having issues
with Christianity? Did he even do that?
As I've stated, I stand behind everything I write. If I'm wrong, then
I'll eat crow. I still don't see any counter-evidence to suggest
anything other than that Alan is an anti-Christian bigot. When he
produces actual evidence that demonstrates otherwise, I'll change my
position.
You will never be able to see it from your position, you're projecting too
much.
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: time |
18 May 2004 08:14:06 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
Bev Thornton wrote:
Janithor wrote:
Some people can't help it.
Nonsense. I've given him plenty of opportunities to clarify his
position if I'm mischaracterizing it. If I'm wrong, then fine, I'm
wrong! Show me!
It's not him, it's maybe you and RGB.
The fact remains that Alan continues:
* When problems with religion are discussed, Alan ONLY brings up
Christianity
* When Christianity is discussed, Alan ONLY brings up problems with it
Well, that's his right.
Exactly! Which is why I'm calling him a bigot. Then we're in agreement?
This fits my definition of a bigot and a basher. He hasn't demonstrated
anything else, and when confronted with his own statements, he starts
talking about how I'm inventing things and playing games, rather than
concretely and directly addressing the issue.
But you are inventing things and maybe to him it looks like you're playing
games. You are presupposing motivations on Alan's part. So is RGB.
Figuratively, words were even put in Alan's mouth with a set of double
quotes. He's been accused of hate. Based on what? Expressing having issues
with Christianity? Did he even do that?
OK, maybe hate is too strong. Fine. But you are not disputing the core
of my argument:
* When Alan talks about Christianity, he only talks about the bad
aspects of it.
* When Alan talks about the bad aspects of religion, he only talks about
the bad aspects of Christianity.
Now, imagine if I did that with say, African-Americans or Jews. How
well do you think that would be received?
As I've stated, I stand behind everything I write. If I'm wrong, then
I'll eat crow. I still don't see any counter-evidence to suggest
anything other than that Alan is an anti-Christian bigot. When he
produces actual evidence that demonstrates otherwise, I'll change my
position.
You will never be able to see it from your position, you're projecting too
much.
I've given you clearly stated reasons. I'll take back the hate
accusation, fine. The core idea is the same: Alan is an anti-Christian
bigot. What am I projecting?
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: time |
18 May 2004 10:04:03 PM |
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Janithor wrote:
Exactly! Which is why I'm calling him a bigot. Then we're in agreement?
No. Alan has a right to free speech, that's all.
OK, maybe hate is too strong. Fine. But you are not disputing the core
of my argument:
* When Alan talks about Christianity, he only talks about the bad
aspects of it.
* When Alan talks about the bad aspects of religion, he only talks about
the bad aspects of Christianity.
Now, imagine if I did that with say, African-Americans or Jews. How
well do you think that would be received?
Beats me, you'd have to try it and see. It all depends on how you do it.
I've given you clearly stated reasons. I'll take back the hate
accusation, fine. The core idea is the same: Alan is an anti-Christian
bigot. What am I projecting?
The core idea. It's all you can see.
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| User: "RGBs Neighbot" |
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| Title: Re: time |
18 May 2004 10:07:51 PM |
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In article <2h0153F7emlsU2@uni-berlin.de>,
Bev Thornton <bevthornton@email.com> wrote:
Now, imagine if I did that with say, African-Americans or Jews.
How well do you think that would be received?
Beats me, you'd have to try it and see.
What time do they serve dinner there on the ***** Train? Or do you
and Tara just bring sandwiches?
I really gag when people pretend not to know what they obviously do.
Like listening to a freshman philosophy student pretend he has no idea
whether or not the room he just left still exists.
Hahahahahah, maybe it doesn't. Eat your TV.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: time |
18 May 2004 11:06:10 PM |
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RGB's Neighbot wrote:
In article <2h0153F7emlsU2@uni-berlin.de>,
Bev Thornton <bevthornton@email.com> wrote:
Now, imagine if I did that with say, African-Americans or Jews.
How well do you think that would be received?
Beats me, you'd have to try it and see.
What time do they serve dinner there on the ***** Train? Or do you
and Tara just bring sandwiches?
Get real.
For one thing, I bring up my views on zionism whenever appropriate (in my
opinion) and they are certainly not mainstream. The same with black
culture. No one gives me any grief over my views. On alt.security.terrorism
I got the gang-bang from a bunch of zionists one time but there wasn't much
they could argue with so it didn't last long.
I really gag when people pretend not to know what they obviously do.
You should learn to gag when you imagine things about other people, knowing
precisely when it happens make perception more acute.
Like listening to a freshman philosophy student pretend he has no idea
whether or not the room he just left still exists.
Well, philosophy is for fools, after all.
Hahahahahah, maybe it doesn't.
What if it does both? Can your philosophy handle that? And if so, how?
Eat your TV.
No, that would be the American way. I'm Canadian, hunting and fishing, so we
hunt them down and kill them by hitting them with a stick, a hockey stick.
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