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"millipede man" |
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31 Jul 2006 08:32:33 AM |
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Too much fuss about Mel Gibson's "anti-semitic remarks"? |
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media are
paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general, and the
Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
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- millipede man
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My opinions are mine alone, and do not necessarily reflect those of any
organization that I'm affiliated with or that I sympathize with.
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Web sites worth visiting:
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs - http://www.wrmea.com/
Antiwar.com - devoted to non-interventionism - http://antiwar.com/
American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals -
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer
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| Title: Re: Too much fuss about Mel Gibson's "anti-semitic remarks"? |
31 Jul 2006 11:50:02 AM |
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"millipede man" <milliman@millipede.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9811429129BF6millieNOTSORTANOTSOR@207.115.17.102...
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media
are
paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general, and the
Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
--
- millipede man
nice cut and paste job
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31 Jul 2006 02:47:10 PM |
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% wrote:
"millipede man" <milliman@millipede.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9811429129BF6millieNOTSORTANOTSOR@207.115.17.102...
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media
are
paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general, and the
Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
--
- millipede man
nice cut and paste job
The Jewish lobby is extremely powerful in the U.S. -- right up there
with the NRA and tobacco lobbies. But that's not the reason the U.S.
supports Israel. The U.S. supports Israel because it serves as a tacit
military base in a region that has hated us for years. It's strategic,
and this is openly taught in Political Science courses at most colleges
and universities. As for a Jewish controlled media, sure there are
probably more Jews working in the media than there are Jews in other
fields, but they don't control the media to the wild extent some claim
and, if anything, the media field is now more diverse than its ever
been. There are a lot of Jews who work in Hollywood / the film
industry, but it's never been as though NOT being Jewish in this field
would handicap you or anything. The Jewish media mafia theory is a
little exaggerated, in my opinion, but the "slant" you may be noticing
in how the news gets reported out of the middle east isn't just about
Jewish influence (and their support for Israel), it's about justifying
U.S. military presence in the middle east. Israel was created and
continues to exist primarily because of British and U.S. geopolitical
interests. Where do you think the Israeli military got all their
artillery and ammunition and weaponry? Those are American-made and
sold, baby! This is a fact.
-- Terry
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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03 Aug 2006 08:49:50 PM |
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Terry wrote:
% wrote:
"millipede man" <milliman@millipede.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9811429129BF6millieNOTSORTANOTSOR@207.115.17.102...
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media
are
paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general, and the
Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
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- millipede man
nice cut and paste job
The Jewish lobby is extremely powerful in the U.S. -- right up there
with the NRA and tobacco lobbies. But that's not the reason the U.S.
supports Israel. The U.S. supports Israel because it serves as a tacit
military base in a region that has hated us for years. It's strategic,
and this is openly taught in Political Science courses at most colleges
and universities.
It's also been an openly stated policy (doesn't matter who's in control
of the white house/congress/senate/...)one of our prime national
objectives is maintaining access to oil.
So, yea, F-16s near the crude.
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| User: "millipede man" |
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| Title: Too much fuss about Mel Gibson's "anti-semitic remarks"!!! |
31 Jul 2006 08:51:35 AM |
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DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the
media are paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the
media? What ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists?
Could that in any way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson
incident? Could that in any way influence the reporting of Middle
Eastern events in general, and the Israeli war against Lebanon in
particular?
--
- millipede man
----------
My opinions are mine alone, and do not necessarily reflect those of any
organization that I'm affiliated with or that I sympathize with.
----------
Web sites worth visiting:
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs - http://www.wrmea.com/
Antiwar.com - devoted to non-interventionism - http://antiwar.com/
American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals -
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: Too much fuss about Mel Gibson's "anti-semitic remarks"? |
31 Jul 2006 02:38:54 PM |
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In message <Xns9811429129BF6millieNOTSORTANOTSOR@207.115.17.102>,
millipede man <milliman@millipede.net> writes
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media are
paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general, and the
Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
I'm glad to say that making anti Semitic remarks is illegal here.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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31 Jul 2006 04:40:05 PM |
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:38:54 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <Xns9811429129BF6millieNOTSORTANOTSOR@207.115.17.102>,
millipede man <milliman@millipede.net> writes
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media are
paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general, and the
Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
I'm glad to say that making anti Semitic remarks is illegal here.
In the U.K.? What about anti-Irish or anti-German remarks?
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| User: "Tim Hunt" |
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31 Jul 2006 08:49:26 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:38:54 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <Xns9811429129BF6millieNOTSORTANOTSOR@207.115.17.102>,
millipede man <milliman@millipede.net> writes
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media are
paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general, and the
Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
I'm glad to say that making anti Semitic remarks is illegal here.
In the U.K.? What about anti-Irish or anti-German remarks?
Yup. No prosecutions afaik but when there's a complaint it seems to get
investigated. A tv presenter and Tony Blair have both been
investigated for anti-welsh jokes/ranting.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,17129-2117230,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/4260706.stm
Tim
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: Too much fuss about Mel Gibson's "anti-semitic remarks"? |
01 Aug 2006 02:06:32 AM |
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In message <1154396966.574613.224440@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, Tim
Hunt <tim.n.hunt@gmail.com> writes
CyberDroog wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:38:54 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <Xns9811429129BF6millieNOTSORTANOTSOR@207.115.17.102>,
millipede man <milliman@millipede.net> writes
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media are
paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general, and the
Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
I'm glad to say that making anti Semitic remarks is illegal here.
In the U.K.? What about anti-Irish or anti-German remarks?
Yup. No prosecutions afaik but when there's a complaint it seems to get
investigated. A tv presenter and Tony Blair have both been
investigated for anti-welsh jokes/ranting.
Tee hee!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,17129-2117230,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/4260706.stm
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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01 Aug 2006 03:52:59 PM |
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On 31 Jul 2006 18:49:26 -0700, "Tim Hunt" <tim.n.hunt@gmail.com> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:38:54 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
I'm glad to say that making anti Semitic remarks is illegal here.
In the U.K.? What about anti-Irish or anti-German remarks?
Yup. No prosecutions afaik but when there's a complaint it seems to get
investigated. A tv presenter and Tony Blair have both been
investigated for anti-welsh jokes/ranting.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,17129-2117230,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/4260706.stm
There are some really thin skins in the U.K.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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01 Aug 2006 04:55:44 PM |
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In message <8ofvc2ti1qihsu3t55ilijr071inqitl9f@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On 31 Jul 2006 18:49:26 -0700, "Tim Hunt" <tim.n.hunt@gmail.com> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:38:54 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
I'm glad to say that making anti Semitic remarks is illegal here.
In the U.K.? What about anti-Irish or anti-German remarks?
Yup. No prosecutions afaik but when there's a complaint it seems to get
investigated. A tv presenter and Tony Blair have both been
investigated for anti-welsh jokes/ranting.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,17129-2117230,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/4260706.stm
There are some really thin skins in the U.K.
Pass.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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01 Aug 2006 02:05:40 AM |
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In message <n4usc2ptgjufcnldtahg74n1v4819ladpb@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:38:54 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <Xns9811429129BF6millieNOTSORTANOTSOR@207.115.17.102>,
millipede man <milliman@millipede.net> writes
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media are
paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general, and the
Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
I'm glad to say that making anti Semitic remarks is illegal here.
In the U.K.? What about anti-Irish or anti-German remarks?
They aren't considered to be racially distinct. Irish nationals can vote
over here.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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01 Aug 2006 04:07:10 PM |
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On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:05:40 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <n4usc2ptgjufcnldtahg74n1v4819ladpb@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:38:54 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <Xns9811429129BF6millieNOTSORTANOTSOR@207.115.17.102>,
millipede man <milliman@millipede.net> writes
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media are
paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general, and the
Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
I'm glad to say that making anti Semitic remarks is illegal here.
In the U.K.? What about anti-Irish or anti-German remarks?
They aren't considered to be racially distinct. Irish nationals can vote
over here.
Jews aren't racially distinct either. That was Hitler's belief, not that
of any rational person. Racially, if it has to come down to race, most
Jews are Caucasions, just like me.
The only racially distinct Jews in the world would be the truly Semitic
Jews in the Middle East (accounting for only 10% or so of all Semitic
peoples), and the African Jews.
Jews in most Western countries are an ethnic group, not a race. The Irish
and Germans are ethnic groups also.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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01 Aug 2006 05:01:57 PM |
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In message <n6gvc29dpf0pug1hmnk6qhh2cugrg7v4vf@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:05:40 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <n4usc2ptgjufcnldtahg74n1v4819ladpb@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:38:54 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <Xns9811429129BF6millieNOTSORTANOTSOR@207.115.17.102>,
millipede man <milliman@millipede.net> writes
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media are
paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general, and the
Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
I'm glad to say that making anti Semitic remarks is illegal here.
In the U.K.? What about anti-Irish or anti-German remarks?
They aren't considered to be racially distinct. Irish nationals can vote
over here.
Jews aren't racially distinct either. That was Hitler's belief, not that
of any rational person. Racially, if it has to come down to race, most
Jews are Caucasions, just like me.
The only racially distinct Jews in the world would be the truly Semitic
Jews in the Middle East (accounting for only 10% or so of all Semitic
peoples), and the African Jews.
Jews in most Western countries are an ethnic group, not a race. The Irish
and Germans are ethnic groups also.
The law considers Jews to be a racial group here. Muslims are not.
It could be something to do with over 99% of Jews being Jews by
matrilineal descent, whereas Islam, like Christianity, proselytises, so
who knows where its adherents come from. Christians aren't considered to
be a racial group either.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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01 Aug 2006 05:51:54 PM |
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On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:01:57 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <n6gvc29dpf0pug1hmnk6qhh2cugrg7v4vf@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
Jews in most Western countries are an ethnic group, not a race. The Irish
and Germans are ethnic groups also.
The law considers Jews to be a racial group here. Muslims are not.
It could be something to do with over 99% of Jews being Jews by
matrilineal descent, whereas Islam, like Christianity, proselytises, so
who knows where its adherents come from. Christians aren't considered to
be a racial group either.
99%? Somehow I really doubt the percentage is that high. Definitely not
descendants from the time of Judea, and probably too high a figure even for
the Eastern European adoptees into Judaism who account for most Jews in the
Western world today.
Maybe it's different in the U.K., but over here a child is accepted as a
Jew even if his mother is not. Case in point, a boss of mine years ago was
married to a Catholic woman. Their child is just as Jewish as any other. I
even went to his Bar Mitzvah, wore the beanie, and slipped him some gelt.
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| User: "spy vs spy" |
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01 Aug 2006 06:45:45 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:q2mvc2h8le9tmu4kl7uhds6gbie8jlmnuo@news.easynews.com...
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:01:57 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <n6gvc29dpf0pug1hmnk6qhh2cugrg7v4vf@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
Jews in most Western countries are an ethnic group, not a race. The
Irish
and Germans are ethnic groups also.
The law considers Jews to be a racial group here. Muslims are not.
It could be something to do with over 99% of Jews being Jews by
matrilineal descent, whereas Islam, like Christianity, proselytises, so
who knows where its adherents come from. Christians aren't considered to
be a racial group either.
99%? Somehow I really doubt the percentage is that high. Definitely not
descendants from the time of Judea, and probably too high a figure even
for
the Eastern European adoptees into Judaism who account for most Jews in
the
Western world today.
Maybe it's different in the U.K., but over here a child is accepted as a
Jew even if his mother is not. Case in point, a boss of mine years ago was
married to a Catholic woman. Their child is just as Jewish as any other. I
even went to his Bar Mitzvah, wore the beanie, and slipped him some gelt.
By Jewish Law I think the child is only really Jewish if the mother is a
Jew. In the case of your friend, the kid might have been converted or the
congregation might have been strict on who could have that batmitzvah
party.
I have Catholics and Jews in my huge extended family so I had to learn this
stuff.
Did you get to keep the beanie?
I always thought it was funny that the Pope wears the same kind of beanie
thing. I've always wondered if men are allowed to stick a propeller on 'em.
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01 Aug 2006 06:54:51 PM |
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"spy vs spy" <spyvsspy@mad.com> wrote in message
news:JIRzg.7234$jt.3480@trnddc04...
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:q2mvc2h8le9tmu4kl7uhds6gbie8jlmnuo@news.easynews.com...
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:01:57 +0100, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <n6gvc29dpf0pug1hmnk6qhh2cugrg7v4vf@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
Jews in most Western countries are an ethnic group, not a race. The
Irish
and Germans are ethnic groups also.
The law considers Jews to be a racial group here. Muslims are not.
It could be something to do with over 99% of Jews being Jews by
matrilineal descent, whereas Islam, like Christianity, proselytises, so
who knows where its adherents come from. Christians aren't considered to
be a racial group either.
99%? Somehow I really doubt the percentage is that high. Definitely not
descendants from the time of Judea, and probably too high a figure even
for
the Eastern European adoptees into Judaism who account for most Jews in
the
Western world today.
Maybe it's different in the U.K., but over here a child is accepted as a
Jew even if his mother is not. Case in point, a boss of mine years ago
was
married to a Catholic woman. Their child is just as Jewish as any other.
I
even went to his Bar Mitzvah, wore the beanie, and slipped him some gelt.
By Jewish Law I think the child is only really Jewish if the mother is a
Jew. In the case of your friend, the kid might have been converted or the
congregation might have been strict on who could have that batmitzvah
party.
I have Catholics and Jews in my huge extended family so I had to learn
this stuff.
Did you get to keep the beanie?
I always thought it was funny that the Pope wears the same kind of beanie
thing. I've always wondered if men are allowed to stick a propeller on
'em.
OOPS should have typed "might have NOT been strict on who could have that
batmitzvah party"
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02 Aug 2006 02:34:10 AM |
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In message <JIRzg.7234$jt.3480@trnddc04>, spy vs spy <spyvsspy@mad.com>
writes
Did you get to keep the beanie?
I always thought it was funny that the Pope wears the same kind of beanie
thing. I've always wondered if men are allowed to stick a propeller on 'em.
I wear a baseball cap on the rare occasions I have to go to shul.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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01 Aug 2006 10:32:26 PM |
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:45:45 GMT, "spy vs spy" <spyvsspy@mad.com> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
Maybe it's different in the U.K., but over here a child is accepted as a
Jew even if his mother is not. Case in point, a boss of mine years ago was
married to a Catholic woman. Their child is just as Jewish as any other. I
even went to his Bar Mitzvah, wore the beanie, and slipped him some gelt.
By Jewish Law I think the child is only really Jewish if the mother is a
Jew. In the case of your friend, the kid might have been converted or the
congregation might have been strict on who could have that batmitzvah
party.
No conversion was necessary. The kid grew up Jewish, went to Hebrew school,
and had his Bar Mitzvah. I believe it was a Reformed temple. Maybe they
don't place the same ancient weight on lineage.
Even so, historically any adoptee into Judaism was considered to be a Jew.
I have Catholics and Jews in my huge extended family so I had to learn this
stuff.
Did you get to keep the beanie?
Yes. I think I still have it somewhere. It's like a party favor - the name
of the kid and date of the Bar Mitzvah are printed inside of it.
I had a hell of a time keeping it on my head given my, at the time, gelled,
spiky hair. But I enjoyed the attention of the cute Jewish chick who
helped me get it to stick.
I enjoyed the whole thing actually.
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02 Aug 2006 02:37:16 AM |
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In message <9r50d2hc1ev1cgc7hlm5ttbi1904qobo0u@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
Yes. I think I still have it somewhere. It's like a party favor - the name
of the kid and date of the Bar Mitzvah are printed inside of it.
I had a hell of a time keeping it on my head given my, at the time, gelled,
spiky hair. But I enjoyed the attention of the cute Jewish chick who
helped me get it to stick.
I enjoyed the whole thing actually.
I refused to go to Wynne's Bar Mitzvah, disapproving of the whole
religious thing. I turned up for the feast afterwards.
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The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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02 Aug 2006 03:42:43 PM |
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 08:37:16 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <9r50d2hc1ev1cgc7hlm5ttbi1904qobo0u@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
Yes. I think I still have it somewhere. It's like a party favor - the name
of the kid and date of the Bar Mitzvah are printed inside of it.
I had a hell of a time keeping it on my head given my, at the time, gelled,
spiky hair. But I enjoyed the attention of the cute Jewish chick who
helped me get it to stick.
I enjoyed the whole thing actually.
I refused to go to Wynne's Bar Mitzvah, disapproving of the whole
religious thing. I turned up for the feast afterwards.
I had never been to one before which is why I had been looking forward to
it. Not that I could understand what was being said, or sung that is.
During the lulls I was paging through Genesis in the Torah and reading the
commentary in the sidebars.
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02 Aug 2006 02:32:22 AM |
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In message <q2mvc2h8le9tmu4kl7uhds6gbie8jlmnuo@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
Maybe it's different in the U.K., but over here a child is accepted as a
Jew even if his mother is not.
Jewish mother, Jewish child. I know of no other way here, apart from
converting. In Israel, the conversion has to be to Orthodox Judaism (or
Ultraorthodox), but here, they can be Liberal or Reform too
(Conservative is an American group, I think).
There was a major fuss in Israel over a a Russian (I think) soldier, who
was killed in action, but was not allowed to be buried in a Jewish
cemetery, as only his father was Jewish, which meant that he wasn't.
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The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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31 Jul 2006 04:34:46 PM |
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:38:54 +0100, Alan Harding wrote:
In message <Xns9811429129BF6millieNOTSORTANOTSOR@207.115.17.102>,
millipede man <milliman@millipede.net> writes
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media
are paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in
any way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that
in any way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general,
and the Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
I'm glad to say that making anti Semitic remarks is illegal here.
....and driving drunk isn't a crime here... it's a moving violation.
--
The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history.
Feingold-Obama '08 - Because the Constitution isn't history,
It's the law.
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| User: "cal" |
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01 Aug 2006 03:13:57 AM |
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"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.31.21.34.44.586180@you.now...
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:38:54 +0100, Alan Harding wrote:
In message <Xns9811429129BF6millieNOTSORTANOTSOR@207.115.17.102>,
millipede man <milliman@millipede.net> writes
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media
are paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in
any way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that
in any way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general,
and the Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
I'm glad to say that making anti Semitic remarks is illegal here.
...and driving drunk isn't a crime here... it's a moving violation.
what's moving about it? i don't find it very moving.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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31 Jul 2006 05:53:59 PM |
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:34:46 -0500, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:38:54 +0100, Alan Harding wrote:
In message <Xns9811429129BF6millieNOTSORTANOTSOR@207.115.17.102>,
millipede man <milliman@millipede.net> writes
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media
are paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in
any way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that
in any way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general,
and the Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
I'm glad to say that making anti Semitic remarks is illegal here.
...and driving drunk isn't a crime here... it's a moving violation.
Where is that?
In America you can be convicted of drunk driving even if the car wasn't
moving. Your body in the car and the keys in your immediate reach is all
that is necessary. Passing out before even starting the car, or making a
choice to pull over and go to sleep are both still considered DUI.
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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01 Aug 2006 10:21:24 AM |
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:53:59 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:34:46 -0500, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:38:54 +0100, Alan Harding wrote:
In message <Xns9811429129BF6millieNOTSORTANOTSOR@207.115.17.102>,
millipede man <milliman@millipede.net> writes
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the
media are paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the
media? What ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists?
Could that in any way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson
incident? Could that in any way influence the reporting of Middle
Eastern events in general, and the Israeli war against Lebanon in
particular?
I'm glad to say that making anti Semitic remarks is illegal here.
...and driving drunk isn't a crime here... it's a moving violation.
Where is that?
The first offense here in Wisconsin is a moving violation.
In America you can be convicted of drunk driving even if the car wasn't
moving. Your body in the car and the keys in your immediate reach is
all that is necessary. Passing out before even starting the car, or
making a choice to pull over and go to sleep are both still considered
DUI.
Any good layer can beat those cases. In most cases as long as the keys
aren't in the ignition it's not DUI.
--
The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history.
Feingold-Obama '08 - Because the Constitution isn't history,
It's the law.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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01 Aug 2006 04:12:41 PM |
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:21:24 -0500, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:53:59 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:34:46 -0500, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
...and driving drunk isn't a crime here... it's a moving violation.
Where is that?
The first offense here in Wisconsin is a moving violation.
I don't recall that. The first offense isn't a felony, but it is still a
traffic crime as opposed to a simple moving violation.
In America you can be convicted of drunk driving even if the car wasn't
moving. Your body in the car and the keys in your immediate reach is
all that is necessary. Passing out before even starting the car, or
making a choice to pull over and go to sleep are both still considered
DUI.
Any good layer can beat those cases. In most cases as long as the keys
aren't in the ignition it's not DUI.
If you are still at the bar a lawyer may get it thrown out. If you are
pulled over on the side of the road the presumption, naturally, is that you
drove there and are therefore guilty of DUI.
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| User: "" |
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31 Jul 2006 07:32:32 PM |
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One anti-semite makes a speech and all the other anti-semites crawl out
from under their rocks. Crawl back mr Millipede. We don't want your
type in our midst.
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blog:http://defendUSA.blogspot.com
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bumperstickers:http://bumperstickers-bumperstickers.blogspot.com
millipede man wrote:
DUI is a crime. Making "anti-semitic" statements is not. Yet, the media are
paying more attention to the latter. Hmm... Who owns the media? What
ethnicity is grossly overrepresented among journalists? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of the Mel Gibson incident? Could that in any
way influence the reporting of Middle Eastern events in general, and the
Israeli war against Lebanon in particular?
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- millipede man
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My opinions are mine alone, and do not necessarily reflect those of any
organization that I'm affiliated with or that I sympathize with.
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Web sites worth visiting:
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs - http://www.wrmea.com/
Antiwar.com - devoted to non-interventionism - http://antiwar.com/
American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals -
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer
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| User: "Noon Cat Nick" |
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31 Jul 2006 10:15:33 PM |
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wrote:
One anti-semite makes a speech and all the other anti-semites crawl out
from under their rocks. Crawl back mr Millipede. We don't want your
type in our midst.
I do. I want them around so I can keep an eye on 'em.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: Too much fuss about Mel Gibson's "anti-semitic remarks"? |
01 Aug 2006 02:11:49 AM |
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In message <44CEC696.7040301@hotmail.com>, Noon Cat Nick
<chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@hotmail.com> writes
defendusa2@yahoo.com wrote:
One anti-semite makes a speech and all the other anti-semites crawl out
from under their rocks. Crawl back mr Millipede. We don't want your
type in our midst.
I do. I want them around so I can keep an eye on 'em.
Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies even closer?
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: Too much fuss about Mel Gibson's "anti-semitic remarks"? |
01 Aug 2006 04:08:36 PM |
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On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:11:49 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies even closer?
Especially if you are a bad shot...
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