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"shygirl" |
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03 Sep 2004 04:20:51 AM |
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Trouble with my psychiatrist- need advice |
Hi-
I have been going to this mental health center in my community for somewhere
between 7-
8 years to get help for a serious mental problem (schizoaffective disorder).
After many
years with the same doctor but too many incidents where it looked like he
had lied to
me, didn't care about me and really didn't seem to like me I'd had enough
and stopped
going there. I never notified the center about what I was doing and the
center never
bothered to contact me to find out why I wasn't showing up anymore (more
proof that no
one gave a ***** about me there). I was taking medication at the time and
continued to do
so even after leaving. After 9 months, when my meds started to run out, I
decided to
contact the center again to get a new prescription (I didn't know who else
to ask). They
assigned a new doctor to me (cause the old one had left) and then some
*really*
bothersome things happened:
1) My new doctor tried to get me to sign treatment plans for the period I
was absent from
the center, when there obviously were no treatment plans because I was
absent from the
center (and not in contact with anyone there while absent)! He also
actually
lied about not knowing when I was absent when I confronted him about it-
just trust
me on that.
2) He, the new doctor, acted extremely bored and put off during our initial
interview
together- always looking away and looking put-off! When he said good-bye at
the end of our session it
was like an after-thought and noticeably forced.
3) The rest of the staff at the center also seem put-off by me. The
receptionist is
borderline ***** to me- always giving curt answers to my questions among
other things.
The social worker couldn't be less enthused when/if she says hello to me
when i come in.
And I think I heard the nurse tell the doctor that I was an *****-hole. My
proof that I'm not
imagining all this is that these people behave differently towards other
patients. They are
far more friendly to them and happy even to see them, usually asking how
they are doing.
They never ask me that.
I don't really know what to do because I don't think these people are
necessarily bad, quite
the contrary. They're just put-off by me (and the treatment plan business
was a mistake
they made that, ok, they're trying to cover up). I've asked the nurse once
if they have a
problem with me but she says no and that they want to help me (but
admittedly she is new
and said this after only one meeting with me). I don't believe it. The
only things I can
think of that I'm guilty of that may bother people are that I have
difficulty trusting and
difficulty liking people (even though I want to- but people just don't seem
to like me much
no matter what I do and I hate it), but I don't know how they would know
about the second
thing cause I thought I didn't show it. Going somewhere else doesn't seem
like much of a
solution since I seem to put-off many people (and I've tried asking what the
problem is and
no one admits to anything). So, if I haven't pissed all of you off yet,
would you tell me
what you think about all this? What would you do? I'm trying to get off
the meds, but
until I do, I still need some kind of a doctor for prescriptions (and I
don't have a primary
care physician at the moment). Thanks for reading (sorry it's so long).
shygirl
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| User: "Pablo" |
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| Title: Re: Trouble with my psychiatrist- need advice |
07 Sep 2004 11:52:48 PM |
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For such a shy girl, what a long list of newsgroups! Okay, I'll bite!
"shygirl" <shygirl_1963@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4138368e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net...
Hi-
I have been going to this mental health center in my community for
somewhere
between 7-
8 years to get help for a serious mental problem (schizoaffective
disorder).
After many
years with the same doctor but too many incidents where it looked like he
had lied to
me, didn't care about me and really didn't seem to like me I'd had enough
and stopped
going there. I never notified the center about what I was doing and the
center never
bothered to contact me to find out why I wasn't showing up anymore (more
proof that no
one gave a ***** about me there). I was taking medication at the time and
continued to do
so even after leaving. After 9 months, when my meds started to run out, I
decided to
contact the center again to get a new prescription (I didn't know who else
to ask). They
assigned a new doctor to me (cause the old one had left) and then some
*really*
bothersome things happened:
1) My new doctor tried to get me to sign treatment plans for the period I
was absent from
the center, when there obviously were no treatment plans because I was
absent from the
center (and not in contact with anyone there while absent)! He also
actually
lied about not knowing when I was absent when I confronted him about it-
just trust
me on that.
The clinic was wrong to just start seeing you again after 9 months of no
contact from you. You were being asked to backdate old treatment plans so
they could resume treatment of you ASAP instead of making you go through the
intake/assessment/evaluation process.
So you if you have a gripe, it's that the mental health center saw you as
soon as you showed up after 9 months of them not hearing from you, instead
of making you wait.
How dare they treat you right away! ;-)
The next time you wander off for 9 months, don't expect them to come chasing
after you. They are much too busy with those who choose to show up. Just
trust me on that one.
Has it occurred to you that you might be reading unfounded motives in
people?
Has it occurred to you that the universe does not revolve around you?
Shy girl, indeed. Let me guess. You go to pdoc appointments and therapy
sessions, and you don't say a word because you are shy. And then you come
onto usenet and unload it all. Crossposted, no less.
Let me play stupid and assume this isn't a troll. Why aren't you talking to
your treatment providers about all of this? Because you are shy? Then
print out your post and give it to them. This should give them some
material to work on with you.
So, if I haven't pissed all of you off yet,
Sorry, too late. ;-)
Pablo
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| User: "=^.^=" |
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08 Sep 2004 12:40:38 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 04:52:48 GMT, "Pablo" <nono@yes.com> wrote:
For such a shy girl, what a long list of newsgroups! Okay, I'll bite!
I have to be careful when I do that in battle. bad blood, ya-know
Has it occurred to you that the universe does not revolve around you?
how depressing...
Shy girl, indeed. Let me guess. You go to pdoc appointments and =
therapy
sessions, and you don't say a word because you are shy. And then you =
come
onto usenet and unload it all. Crossposted, no less.
as if my newsreader is a total dork and don't know *****
Let me play stupid and assume this isn't a troll. Why aren't you =
talking to
your treatment providers about all of this? Because you are shy? Then
print out your post and give it to them. This should give them some
material to work on with you.
I've seen that happen before...the shaking of the printout under the
nose...since the shaker was known to use fireplace pokers as a
weapon, I didn't feel too-bad about advancing with my stubby icepick
it wasn't like anyone would be deprived of anything worth a *****...
it took her a few more years of dull droll misery to go-figure, too
So, if I haven't pissed all of you off yet,
I don't care. mine gave me ***** that fucked me up and I hadda
go thru irritating and annoying withdrawal from. I just don't care
Sorry, too late. ;-)
ain't it, tho...
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| User: "Rosie Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Trouble with my psychiatrist- need advice |
03 Sep 2004 06:43:21 AM |
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Hello shygirl,
I understand your difficulties, because what you are describing is just
exactly the same thing that I ofetn feel when I am not doing too well,
and I have the same diagnosis as you. I think that what has happened is
that you have become just a little bit paranoid, which is just part of
your illness. Unfortunately, when you are on your own a bit these things
tend to get magnified, and what happens then is that is gets harder and
harder to face the people who could actually help you - the doctors and
nurses at your centre - because they are sort-of implicated in the
paranoia. I think what you should try to do is go back and talk to anyone
and everyone who is willing to listen - but especially the psych - and
tell them all your uncertainties and fears, calmly and fully. Just
remember that this is part of your illness. The worst thing you could do
right now is isolate yourself from the people who might be able to help
you, even though facing these people may be very hard. In all
probability, the nurse who said nobosy had a problem with you was telling
the truth. You are very sensitive to put-downs at the moment, which
others may be completely unaware they are doing.
Please try again with the people at this center.
Rosie
xxx
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| User: "Squiggles" |
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03 Sep 2004 07:09:24 AM |
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Rosie Smith wrote:
Hello shygirl,
I understand your difficulties, because what you are describing is just
exactly the same thing that I ofetn feel when I am not doing too well,
and I have the same diagnosis as you. I think that what has happened is
that you have become just a little bit paranoid, which is just part of
your illness. Unfortunately, when you are on your own a bit these things
tend to get magnified, and what happens then is that is gets harder and
harder to face the people who could actually help you - the doctors and
nurses at your centre - because they are sort-of implicated in the
paranoia. I think what you should try to do is go back and talk to anyone
and everyone who is willing to listen - but especially the psych - and
tell them all your uncertainties and fears, calmly and fully. Just
remember that this is part of your illness. The worst thing you could do
right now is isolate yourself from the people who might be able to help
you, even though facing these people may be very hard. In all
probability, the nurse who said nobosy had a problem with you was telling
the truth. You are very sensitive to put-downs at the moment, which
others may be completely unaware they are doing.
Please try again with the people at this center.
Rosie
xxx
Rosie,
I'm afraid you have some insight into the problem with the uncertainty
some people have, which works against them. I know of a good friend
who has basically destroyed many medical opportunities to get better,
because of personal fears of slights and imagined offenses. The result
has been a life without meds leading to many mistakes and suffering.
Doctors are not evil and nurses do not care personally to attack you.
They are just too busy doing their job to do that sort of thing and
they are not interested in hurting you - why should they; it would
make their job much more difficult. Look at it that way, if you have
a cynical perspective.
Best wishes and please visit your doctor when you need to.
Squiggles
--
"No ***** ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb ***** die for his country."
-- Gen. George Patton
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| User: "Just Me" |
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03 Sep 2004 08:53:10 AM |
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Yes, I agree. I know those feelings very well. The world is a very busy
place and its easy to think people are cold to you if you are a shade
paranoid anyway. Look at it this way, those people working in that busy
clinic would rather be home or on holiday instead of tied down there. Its
helpful to look at things from the other person's angle and you will feel
better.
"Rosie Smith" <RosieSmith555@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9559816AF1224RosieSmith555hotmail@195.92.193.157...
Hello shygirl,
I understand your difficulties, because what you are describing is just
exactly the same thing that I ofetn feel when I am not doing too well,
and I have the same diagnosis as you. I think that what has happened is
that you have become just a little bit paranoid, which is just part of
your illness. Unfortunately, when you are on your own a bit these things
tend to get magnified, and what happens then is that is gets harder and
harder to face the people who could actually help you - the doctors and
nurses at your centre - because they are sort-of implicated in the
paranoia. I think what you should try to do is go back and talk to anyone
and everyone who is willing to listen - but especially the psych - and
tell them all your uncertainties and fears, calmly and fully. Just
remember that this is part of your illness. The worst thing you could do
right now is isolate yourself from the people who might be able to help
you, even though facing these people may be very hard. In all
probability, the nurse who said nobosy had a problem with you was telling
the truth. You are very sensitive to put-downs at the moment, which
others may be completely unaware they are doing.
Please try again with the people at this center.
Rosie
xxx
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| User: "Just Me" |
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03 Sep 2004 03:58:06 PM |
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Yes, I agree. I know those feelings very well. The world is a very busy
place and its easy to think people are cold to you if you are a shade
paranoid anyway. Look at it this way, those people working in that busy
clinic would rather be home or on holiday instead of tied down there. Its
helpful to look at things from the other person's angle and you will feel
better.
"Rosie Smith" <RosieSmith555@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9559816AF1224RosieSmith555hotmail@195.92.193.157...
Hello shygirl,
I understand your difficulties, because what you are describing is just
exactly the same thing that I ofetn feel when I am not doing too well,
and I have the same diagnosis as you. I think that what has happened is
that you have become just a little bit paranoid, which is just part of
your illness. Unfortunately, when you are on your own a bit these things
tend to get magnified, and what happens then is that is gets harder and
harder to face the people who could actually help you - the doctors and
nurses at your centre - because they are sort-of implicated in the
paranoia. I think what you should try to do is go back and talk to anyone
and everyone who is willing to listen - but especially the psych - and
tell them all your uncertainties and fears, calmly and fully. Just
remember that this is part of your illness. The worst thing you could do
right now is isolate yourself from the people who might be able to help
you, even though facing these people may be very hard. In all
probability, the nurse who said nobosy had a problem with you was telling
the truth. You are very sensitive to put-downs at the moment, which
others may be completely unaware they are doing.
Please try again with the people at this center.
Rosie
xxx
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| User: "cndc" |
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03 Sep 2004 10:40:30 AM |
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I've been around a lot of mental health centers and what you report is
similar to what I experienced. I stopped taking meds, stopped seeing a
shrink and eventually landed a job at a mental health center and
uncovered an embezzlement operation through the IT department where I
worked. In an effort to keep me quiet and push me back onto meds, they
attempted to drive me insane. (If anyone is interested, the place that
did this was/is MHMR of Tarrant County http://www.mhmrtc.org/ - after
I left there I began checking things out and they got in trouble for
embezzlement back in the late 80's; further I verified the embezzlement
operation with a co-worker that tried to blow the whistle on our
supervisor so this is not a hallucination.)
So the point of this is that what you are experiencing may not be
"part of your illness" as others like to say but rather simply the
case - they really don't care about you.
Your best bet is to stop seeing mental health practitioners
altogether, slowly taper off your medication and seek the Lord Jesus
Christ with all your heart.
Elizabeth
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| User: "J" |
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| Title: Re: Trouble with my psychiatrist- need advice |
04 Sep 2004 04:12:59 PM |
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In my opinion anyone who says all the social treatment some of us schizos
have to endure is due to illness then that person is a defender of a group
of lying evil bastards that are ruling this planet. Anyone who replies to
this and says i'm wrong is also a defender of the lying evil bastards that
rule this planet. So if you must then go ahead and defend them either
through ignorance or worship of them.
The psychiatrists tell us all this ***** and tell us we're deluded when
the truth is they are either one of the evil rulers or have lived a very
sheltered life and unwittingly patronize us.
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| User: "Peter Vylliki" |
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04 Sep 2004 07:22:46 PM |
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"J" <jamie.d.moroney@btopenworld.com> wrote in
news:chdb4r$eg5$1@sparta.btinternet.com:
In my opinion anyone who says all the social treatment some of us
schizos have to endure is due to illness then that person is a
defender of a group of lying evil bastards that are ruling this
planet. Anyone who replies to this and says i'm wrong is also a
defender of the lying evil bastards that rule this planet. So if you
must then go ahead and defend them either through ignorance or worship
of them. The psychiatrists tell us all this ***** and tell us we're
deluded when the truth is they are either one of the evil rulers or
have lived a very sheltered life and unwittingly patronize us.
I suggest staying on your meds regime.
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| User: "=^.^=" |
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05 Sep 2004 02:34:49 AM |
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 19:22:46 -0500, "Peter V'ylliki"
<vylliki@remove.mail.com> wrote:
"J" <jamie.d.moroney@btopenworld.com> wrote in
news:chdb4r$eg5$1@sparta.btinternet.com:=20
In my opinion anyone who says all the social treatment some of us
schizos have to endure is due to illness then that person is a
defender of a group of lying evil bastards that are ruling this
planet. Anyone who replies to this and says i'm wrong is also a
defender of the lying evil bastards that rule this planet. So if you
must then go ahead and defend them either through ignorance or worship
of them. The psychiatrists tell us all this ***** and tell us we're
deluded when the truth is they are either one of the evil rulers or
have lived a very sheltered life and unwittingly patronize us.
I suggest staying on your meds regime.
add some Depakote, perhaps lithium carbonate, too
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| User: "cndc" |
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04 Sep 2004 04:42:10 PM |
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"J" writes:
[ ... ]
The psychiatrists tell us all this ***** and tell us we're
deluded when the truth is they are either one of the evil rulers or
have lived a very sheltered life and unwittingly patronize us.
Psychiatry is extremely wicked. Thank you for sharing.
Elizabeth
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| User: "=^.^=" |
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05 Sep 2004 01:43:03 AM |
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On 04 Sep 2004 16:42:10 -0500, cndc
<coalition_for_national_day_care@yahoo.com> wrote:
The psychiatrists tell us all this ***** and tell us we're
deluded when the truth is they are either one of the evil rulers or
have lived a very sheltered life and unwittingly patronize us.
Psychiatry is extremely wicked. Thank you for sharing.
Elizabeth
my shrink is named Elizabeth, and she isn't an evil ruler
in fact, I think she has some self-identity issues, is a
bit scared of the unknown; only writes with confidence
when she is in the portion of the Rx dealing with the med
she also seems to be susceptible to drug-rep schilling...
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| User: "Lulu" |
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| Title: Re: Trouble with my psychiatrist- need advice |
05 Sep 2004 02:20:07 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 06:43:03 GMT, =^.^= <=^.^=@=^.^=> wrote:
my shrink is named Elizabeth, and she isn't an evil ruler
in fact, I think she has some self-identity issues, is a
bit scared of the unknown; only writes with confidence
when she is in the portion of the Rx dealing with the med
she also seems to be susceptible to drug-rep schilling...
Do you think our shrinks know that some of us observe and analyse them
as much (if not more, if the shrink is apathetic) as they analyse us?
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| User: "=^.^=" |
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05 Sep 2004 04:04:44 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 00:20:07 -0700, Lulu <lulu@glom.com> wrote:
Do you think our shrinks know that some of us observe and analyse them
as much (if not more, if the shrink is apathetic) as they analyse us?
yes...most don't care or can't let it bother them
esp. state ones with horrific caseloads...
I've a caseworker that is different, tho
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| User: "carlos" |
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04 Sep 2004 04:26:13 PM |
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J wrote:
In my opinion anyone who says all the social treatment some of us
schizos have to endure is due to illness then that person is a
defender of a group of lying evil bastards that are ruling this
planet. Anyone who replies to this and says i'm wrong is also a
defender of the lying evil bastards that rule this planet. So if you
must then go ahead and defend them either through ignorance or
worship of them.
The psychiatrists tell us all this ***** and tell us we're deluded
when the truth is they are either one of the evil rulers or have
lived a very sheltered life and unwittingly patronize us.
It's when you generalise to such a degree that it sounds like you are
grouping everyone as "us and them" or "everyone against [us]/[me]" that it
begins to sound like delusional paranoia in my opinion. Best to word things
carefully and proof-read what you write if you want to be sure people don't
think it's just you.
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| User: "=^.^=" |
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05 Sep 2004 01:35:18 AM |
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:26:13 +0100, "carlos"
<carl@invalid.invalid.invalid> wrote:
J wrote:
In my opinion anyone who says all the social treatment some of us
schizos have to endure is due to illness then that person is a
defender of a group of lying evil bastards that are ruling this
planet. Anyone who replies to this and says i'm wrong is also a
defender of the lying evil bastards that rule this planet. So if you
must then go ahead and defend them either through ignorance or
worship of them.
The psychiatrists tell us all this ***** and tell us we're deluded
when the truth is they are either one of the evil rulers or have
lived a very sheltered life and unwittingly patronize us.
It's when you generalise to such a degree that it sounds like you are
grouping everyone as "us and them" or "everyone against [us]/[me]" that =
it
begins to sound like delusional paranoia in my opinion. Best to word =
things
carefully and proof-read what you write if you want to be sure people =
don't
think it's just you.
it doesn't matter, anyway. they'll change things around so that
we always look bad, and that they look good. then there is the
little game they play: "take this, you'll feel much better, soon"
like the ***** on tv where they sell you a penis-enlarging SUV...
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| User: "Gluuppi Buddalla" |
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05 Sep 2004 02:15:35 AM |
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J wrote:
In my opinion anyone who says all the social treatment some of us schizos
have to endure is due to illness then that person is a defender of a group
of lying evil bastards that are ruling this planet. Anyone who replies to
this and says i'm wrong is also a defender of the lying evil bastards that
rule this planet. So if you must then go ahead and defend them either
through ignorance or worship of them.
The psychiatrists tell us all this ***** and tell us we're deluded when
the truth is they are either one of the evil rulers or have lived a very
sheltered life and unwittingly patronize us.
Crap, how I hate crossposted threads. It's like a person having sex
with multiple partners without a condom. But since you crossposted your
message, I have to crosspost my reply so the same people read it. Yuck.
I've had seven psychiatrists, and every one of them has had less people
skill than the average teenager. Their training batters all humanity
out of them and they are reduced to knowing only how to sign their name
to a prescription pad. Here is a sample conversation with my psychiatrist:
Me: "Ever since I started reading Nietzsche, I haven't had the urge to
go gambling."
Shrink: "So you like to read." (not a question)
Me: "No, not really. I read rarely and little. But the work of this
one particular author seems to kill my gambling urge."
Shrink: "So you like to read. You're an avid reader."
This exchange betrays an IQ of 45 in the psychiatrist, and sad to say,
it's typical. My extensive experience with all kinds of psychiatrists--
men and women, young and old--suggests that they are idiots. At the
very least they are bland and untroubled people who have no capacity at
all to understand the complex, troubled people they treat, and certainly
have no capacity to understand what it's like to have a mental problem.
But I have a problem with your suggestion that there is some kind of
universal class struggle between psychiatrists and their patients.
There is a dependent relationship, because psychiatrists have all the
power. I depend on my shrink to prescribe my medication so I can
function in everyday life, so I have to manage her carefully--which,
given her level of acquired stupdiity, is not difficult. There is also
definitely a conspiracy by the pharmaceutical companies to sell as much
medication as they can so they can maximize their profits, and
psychiatrists, regulators, and researchers are pawns in that conspiracy.
I say "pawns" because I don't think most shrinks are even aware that
they are being used as agents to make people dependent on psychiatric
drugs so we have to keep buying them. But the pharmaceutical companies
certainly don't rule the planet, despite their best efforts, and
frankly, they lack the vision to be a true global power, since their
only aim is personal financial profit. Small-minded people never
succeed in taking over the whole works. Otherwise, people like Peter
Breggin would be in jail as political prisoners.
So there is some truth in what you say, but I find it oversimplified.
GB
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| User: "av7x" |
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| Title: Re: Trouble with my psychiatrist- need advice |
06 Nov 2004 11:25:51 AM |
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http://www.wholives.com/files/research/jellyfish.htm
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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06 Nov 2004 11:28:04 AM |
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virus
"av7x" <av7x@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:FO6dncpdbqxClRDcRVn-pw@eatel.net...
http://www.wholives.com/files/research/jellyfish.htm
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| User: "=^.^=" |
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03 Sep 2004 04:46:02 AM |
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On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 04:20:51 -0500, "shygirl"
<shygirl_1963@yahoo.com> wrote:
what you think about all this? What would you do? I'm trying to get =
off
the meds, but
until I do, I still need some kind of a doctor for prescriptions (and I
don't have a primary
care physician at the moment). Thanks for reading (sorry it's so long).
shygirl
I'd suggest getting a PCP and researching your problems as best as
you can. get one that has a relaxed, not overbooked clinic, as well
http://www.mentalhealth.com I've used for almost six years
they are a good source, and a good starting place
pne question: where does it hurt?
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