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"mighty mouse" |
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13 Jun 2006 05:08:47 AM |
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very confused :( (long) |
I got almost zero sleep last night, and it wasn't because I was up all night
partying after the soccer. I slept too much over the weekend and I just
couldn't sleep at night when I needed to. Surprisingly I'm really not that
tired now. I really hope I'm able to get a decent nights sleep in a few
hours because I don't know how I'll manage after 2 virtually sleepless
nights.
My brain is still trying to digest what this new therp told me about
possibly having borderline personality disorder. I was ok at first, I was
tired and didn't really think about it that much. Now, a week later, I'm
totally freaked out by it and I've been reading all I can find about
symptoms, treatment and long term outcomes.
I really don't know if this fits me or not. Some aspects of it are right on
the mark but others really don't describe me at all. Or maybe they do and I
don't see it. I'm totally confused.
I'd really like to call my pdoc and ask his opinion, but I've spoken to him
on the phone too many times between appointments lately. But I trust his
opion more than anyone elses - he's worked with me for a long time. I don't
want to intrude and call when it's not appropriate and I know he's not keen
on working with someone over the phone unless it's urgent, he doesn't
consider it good medicine. I don't see him again until the end of the
month.
I hate it that this possiblity has been dumped on me and I have to wait
another week before I can speak to this therp about why she thinks this and
what it means. A change in diagnosis to something that means there is
something inherently wrong with my whole personality, that takes a lot of
adjusting to. And nobody is here to help me with that adjustment right now.
My brain is swimming with all the possiblities. I've found info on the web
about diagnosis of BPD, but the alt.support group is totally dead.
It took me months to come to terms with having depression and anxiety and to
realise it was time for me to start taking meds for it. Now I may have to
start that adjustment process again, only this time it's adjusting to an
illness with a worse stigma, worse prognosis and frankly, one that scares
the hell out of me.
I don't know if I'd prefer that she (therp) be right, and I have this, or
that she be wrong, and I'm just another depressive and there aren't that
many new treatment options open to me. My pdoc mentioned Lamictal (sp?),
but considering I take Epilum (valproic acid) which increases the chance of
the dreaded rash, I'm a little hesitant about that one.
I've been far more anxious than this recently. I've been a lot worse. This
is just an intellectual dilema, not a blind panic. I think.
I don't know what I'm asking for, or why I'm going to bother posting this
ramble. Thanks to anyone who made it to the end.
Kylie
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| User: "used2be" |
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14 Jun 2006 10:47:41 AM |
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"mighty mouse" <kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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My brain is still trying to digest what this new therp told me about
possibly having borderline personality disorder. I was ok at first, I was
tired and didn't really think about it that much. Now, a week later, I'm
totally freaked out by it and I've been reading all I can find about
symptoms, treatment and long term outcomes.
i just am not sure i "see" bpd in you, but obviously i'm not a therp. she
sure seemed quick to jump on that diagnosis. usually it takes YEARS of
therapy to receive a diagnosis of bpd. i was given the same news as you,
but only after i'd been seeing my therp for quite some time. i did alot of
research and felt panicked about it just like you are now, but i came to
realize that i'm not very bpd after all. sure, i have some of the signs (5,
i think), but so do a whole lot of other people. (princess diana is a
famous example). those who are truly bpd are unable to even acknowledge
that they might be borderline. and they have tremendous anger issues. and
they tend to have a love/hate relationship with their therps and doctors.
the more i read, the better i felt. yes, i'm a little bit bpd, but i can
live with it. hopefully you will be able to come to that same realization,
kylie. let me know if i can help.
also, i was given the book "i hate you, don't leave me!" by my therp, and it
was a most excellent read about living with borderline personality disorder.
if you can get a copy of it, i highly recommend reading it.
take care girl. and get some sleep!
~u2b
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| User: "mighty mouse" |
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15 Jun 2006 08:31:31 AM |
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"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"mighty mouse" <kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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My brain is still trying to digest what this new therp told me about
possibly having borderline personality disorder. I was ok at first, I
was
tired and didn't really think about it that much. Now, a week later,
I'm
totally freaked out by it and I've been reading all I can find about
symptoms, treatment and long term outcomes.
i just am not sure i "see" bpd in you, but obviously i'm not a therp. she
sure seemed quick to jump on that diagnosis. usually it takes YEARS of
therapy to receive a diagnosis of bpd. i was given the same news as you,
but only after i'd been seeing my therp for quite some time. i did alot
of
research and felt panicked about it just like you are now, but i came to
realize that i'm not very bpd after all. sure, i have some of the signs
(5,
i think), but so do a whole lot of other people. (princess diana is a
famous example). those who are truly bpd are unable to even acknowledge
that they might be borderline. and they have tremendous anger issues.
and
they tend to have a love/hate relationship with their therps and doctors.
the more i read, the better i felt. yes, i'm a little bit bpd, but i can
live with it. hopefully you will be able to come to that same
realization,
kylie. let me know if i can help.
also, i was given the book "i hate you, don't leave me!" by my therp, and
it
was a most excellent read about living with borderline personality
disorder.
if you can get a copy of it, i highly recommend reading it.
take care girl. and get some sleep!
~u2b
Hi Cindy,
That book has been mentioned on several of the websites I've looked at, I'll
have to see if they have it at the library or else I'll make a detour to
Borders I guess.
I think I have some of the traits, but I'm not sure I "see" bpd in me
either. I don't express my anger often (never here), but when I do I let
loose at the ones I love the most and I lost my most recent long term
partner because of my inability to control those outbursts. Yet I rarely
blow up at anyone except boyfriends for some reasons. I have stormed out of
the house during such an argument and I was partly doing it to see if he'd
come after me. He didn't and I sat outside in the cold for 30 minutes to
prove my point before I eventually came back in. Is that manipulative? If
so I'm guilty.
I do also have a terrible time being alone, and I find it very difficult to
understand people. I fit in a few other ways, but I'm not sure that's
enough.
Even if I don't have enough traits for a diagnosis, it's got me thinking
about me in a different way, which can't be all bad.
I would be quite interested to hear about your experiences, but I understand
if they're personal.
Kylie
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| User: "Gerrit Vicin" |
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13 Jun 2006 05:53:03 AM |
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Hi!
mighty mouse schrieb:
I got almost zero sleep last night, and it wasn't because I was up all night
partying after the soccer. I slept too much over the weekend and I just
couldn't sleep at night when I needed to. Surprisingly I'm really not that
tired now. I really hope I'm able to get a decent nights sleep in a few
hours because I don't know how I'll manage after 2 virtually sleepless
nights.
I hope you'll sleep!
Though when I stay awake for two nights I actually don't feel too bad. I
rather feel drunk then. That's okay. And I won't get a hangover which I
find is fair.
My brain is still trying to digest what this new therp told me about
[...]
I don't know what I'm asking for, or why I'm going to bother posting this
ramble. Thanks to anyone who made it to the end.
Kylie
I would be as confused as you if I was in your situation I guess.
The two therps I've been to diagnosed me with depression. I'm now
searching for a pdoc but haven't got an appointment yet. Since the
therps said I've got a fu**ing (sorry) depression I'm reading all what I
find about the subject, finding symptoms on me and sometimes also on
others (my brother for example). I suppose I should better stop
gathering as much info as I can. It keeps me thinking about it all the
time. I find myself diagnosing myself which I rather want to leave to
the therp. When my therp asks me questions about how I do I answer as
though I knew the answer by heart because I'm thinking about it as often
as to form phrases in my mind which I, when asked, merely repeat. Dunno
whether that's good.
I try to distract myself from thinking about depression and what it
means and all by reading. And when I can't concentrate on reading I go
to the cinema. Maybe that might be good for you, too? I mean trying to
leave it for some while if possible?
Good luck - gerriT
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| User: "mighty mouse" |
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13 Jun 2006 07:07:55 AM |
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"Gerrit Vicin" <gerrit@blinx.de> wrote in message
news:1150195983.14796@news.blinx.de...
Hi!
Hi Gerrit
mighty mouse schrieb:
I got almost zero sleep last night, and it wasn't because I was up all
night
partying after the soccer. I slept too much over the weekend and I just
couldn't sleep at night when I needed to. Surprisingly I'm really not
that
tired now. I really hope I'm able to get a decent nights sleep in a few
hours because I don't know how I'll manage after 2 virtually sleepless
nights.
I hope you'll sleep!
Thanks, me too.
Though when I stay awake for two nights I actually don't feel too bad. I
rather feel drunk then. That's okay. And I won't get a hangover which I
find is fair.
I don't usually do well when I've had too little sleep. Actually I'm
surprised I got through today ok.
I'm a bit worried that another night without a lot of sleep will trigger my
epilepsy, but even if that happens I doubt the effects will be too bad. My
epilepsy is a very mild type, so even if I had a seizure no-one would notice
(including me).
My brain is still trying to digest what this new therp told me about
[...]
I don't know what I'm asking for, or why I'm going to bother posting
this
ramble. Thanks to anyone who made it to the end.
Kylie
I would be as confused as you if I was in your situation I guess.
The two therps I've been to diagnosed me with depression. I'm now
searching for a pdoc but haven't got an appointment yet. Since the
therps said I've got a fu**ing (sorry) depression I'm reading all what I
find about the subject, finding symptoms on me and sometimes also on
others (my brother for example). I suppose I should better stop
gathering as much info as I can. It keeps me thinking about it all the
time. I find myself diagnosing myself which I rather want to leave to
the therp. When my therp asks me questions about how I do I answer as
though I knew the answer by heart because I'm thinking about it as often
as to form phrases in my mind which I, when asked, merely repeat. Dunno
whether that's good.
I try to distract myself from thinking about depression and what it
means and all by reading. And when I can't concentrate on reading I go
to the cinema. Maybe that might be good for you, too? I mean trying to
leave it for some while if possible?
Obsessing over things won't do me any good, you're right. I hate going to
the movies by myself and I don't have anyone I could go with at the moment,
but I'll try to spend less time reading websites and stressing and more time
watching comedy DVD's and trying to take my mind off things.
Good luck - gerriT
Thanks. I hope you're doing well.
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| User: "Gerrit Vicin" |
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13 Jun 2006 07:35:58 AM |
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mighty mouse schrieb:
"Gerrit Vicin" <gerrit@blinx.de> wrote in message
news:1150195983.14796@news.blinx.de...
Hi!
Hi Gerrit
mighty mouse schrieb:
I got almost zero sleep last night, and it wasn't because I was up all
[...]
leave it for some while if possible?
Obsessing over things won't do me any good, you're right. I hate going to
the movies by myself
I used to hate it too, but kow I don't mind going to the movies by
myself. I won't talk to anyone while the film is running anyway. I find
cinema greatly relaxing. Usually I sit in one of the forward rows. Then
there is nothing but the screen in my range of vision. I like that.
and I don't have anyone I could go with at the moment,
but I'll try to spend less time reading websites and stressing and more time
watching comedy DVD's and trying to take my mind off things.
Sounds good.
Good luck - gerriT
Thanks. I hope you're doing well.
Thank you.
gerriT
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: very confused :( (long) |
13 Jun 2006 07:29:01 AM |
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FYI
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The study joins a growing body of research challenging claims that the
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antidepressants are linked to an increased risk of suicidal thoughts
and behaviors.
For more information:-
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Gerrit Vicin wrote:
Hi!
mighty mouse schrieb:
I got almost zero sleep last night, and it wasn't because I was up all night
partying after the soccer. I slept too much over the weekend and I just
couldn't sleep at night when I needed to. Surprisingly I'm really not that
tired now. I really hope I'm able to get a decent nights sleep in a few
hours because I don't know how I'll manage after 2 virtually sleepless
nights.
I hope you'll sleep!
Though when I stay awake for two nights I actually don't feel too bad. I
rather feel drunk then. That's okay. And I won't get a hangover which I
find is fair.
My brain is still trying to digest what this new therp told me about
[...]
I don't know what I'm asking for, or why I'm going to bother posting this
ramble. Thanks to anyone who made it to the end.
Kylie
I would be as confused as you if I was in your situation I guess.
The two therps I've been to diagnosed me with depression. I'm now
searching for a pdoc but haven't got an appointment yet. Since the
therps said I've got a fu**ing (sorry) depression I'm reading all what I
find about the subject, finding symptoms on me and sometimes also on
others (my brother for example). I suppose I should better stop
gathering as much info as I can. It keeps me thinking about it all the
time. I find myself diagnosing myself which I rather want to leave to
the therp. When my therp asks me questions about how I do I answer as
though I knew the answer by heart because I'm thinking about it as often
as to form phrases in my mind which I, when asked, merely repeat. Dunno
whether that's good.
I try to distract myself from thinking about depression and what it
means and all by reading. And when I can't concentrate on reading I go
to the cinema. Maybe that might be good for you, too? I mean trying to
leave it for some while if possible?
Good luck - gerriT
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| User: "Bacon" |
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13 Jun 2006 06:10:13 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:08:47 +1000, "mighty mouse"
<kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
I got almost zero sleep last night, and it wasn't because I was up all night
partying after the soccer. I slept too much over the weekend and I just
couldn't sleep at night when I needed to. Surprisingly I'm really not that
tired now. I really hope I'm able to get a decent nights sleep in a few
hours because I don't know how I'll manage after 2 virtually sleepless
nights.
My brain is still trying to digest what this new therp told me about
possibly having borderline personality disorder. I was ok at first, I was
tired and didn't really think about it that much. Now, a week later, I'm
totally freaked out by it and I've been reading all I can find about
symptoms, treatment and long term outcomes.
I really don't know if this fits me or not. Some aspects of it are right on
the mark but others really don't describe me at all. Or maybe they do and I
don't see it. I'm totally confused.
I'd really like to call my pdoc and ask his opinion, but I've spoken to him
on the phone too many times between appointments lately. But I trust his
opion more than anyone elses - he's worked with me for a long time. I don't
want to intrude and call when it's not appropriate and I know he's not keen
on working with someone over the phone unless it's urgent, he doesn't
consider it good medicine. I don't see him again until the end of the
month.
I hate it that this possiblity has been dumped on me and I have to wait
another week before I can speak to this therp about why she thinks this and
what it means. A change in diagnosis to something that means there is
something inherently wrong with my whole personality, that takes a lot of
adjusting to. And nobody is here to help me with that adjustment right now.
My brain is swimming with all the possiblities. I've found info on the web
about diagnosis of BPD, but the alt.support group is totally dead.
It took me months to come to terms with having depression and anxiety and to
realise it was time for me to start taking meds for it. Now I may have to
start that adjustment process again, only this time it's adjusting to an
illness with a worse stigma, worse prognosis and frankly, one that scares
the hell out of me.
I don't know if I'd prefer that she (therp) be right, and I have this, or
that she be wrong, and I'm just another depressive and there aren't that
many new treatment options open to me. My pdoc mentioned Lamictal (sp?),
but considering I take Epilum (valproic acid) which increases the chance of
the dreaded rash, I'm a little hesitant about that one.
I've been far more anxious than this recently. I've been a lot worse. This
is just an intellectual dilema, not a blind panic. I think.
I don't know what I'm asking for, or why I'm going to bother posting this
ramble. Thanks to anyone who made it to the end.
Kylie
Wow. You need to regroup. First of all, the sleep will come and even
2 straight nights without it, though stressful, are completely
bearable. And as far as your pdoc's diagnosis, it sounds like he
mentioned it casually, merely a possibility he is considering in your
case. That approach is careless and almost unethical.
I'd be researching the hell out of it too, obsessing as you are.
Clearly he did not properly describe the disorder or his basis for
this possibility.
Random quote from internet:
"Others believe that the term "borderline personality" has been so
misunderstood and misused that trying to refine it is pointless and
suggest instead simply scrapping the term."
It's very controversial and is described differently depending on the
expert. I think you've probably already ruled it out based on your
research, but hearing it from your pdoc has you terribly confused.
See another doctor for an independent assessment if he pushes it.
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| User: "mighty mouse" |
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| Title: Re: very confused :( (long) |
13 Jun 2006 06:59:58 AM |
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"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:08:47 +1000, "mighty mouse"
<kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
Wow. You need to regroup. First of all, the sleep will come and even
2 straight nights without it, though stressful, are completely
bearable. And as far as your pdoc's diagnosis, it sounds like he
mentioned it casually, merely a possibility he is considering in your
case. That approach is careless and almost unethical.
It was my new psychologist who mentioned this, not my pdoc, but she
mentioned it after only one one hour session with me. She said she wants to
work further with me and thinks she can help, but it's so confusing that
someone can come to such a different diagnosis than everyone else I've ever
seen after only one hour. She did mention it several times and was asking
me about specific criteria / symptoms. I picked up that it was BPD she was
asking about and she confirmed that she thought I may have it.
Problem is my old therp who I'd been seeing on and off for a year gave me a
personality test which happened to come from a book on BPD a few weeks ago.
I noticed this and asked if he thought I had Borderline Personality Disorder
and he said no.
Who do I believe?
I'd be researching the hell out of it too, obsessing as you are.
Clearly he did not properly describe the disorder or his basis for
this possibility.
We discussed it briefly but it was squeezed in among all the usual "getting
to know you" type questions. Not a lot of time was dedicated to it.
Random quote from internet:
"Others believe that the term "borderline personality" has been so
misunderstood and misused that trying to refine it is pointless and
suggest instead simply scrapping the term."
I read this too.
It's very controversial and is described differently depending on the
expert. I think you've probably already ruled it out based on your
research, but hearing it from your pdoc has you terribly confused.
I think I fit some of the criteria, but there are some important ones that I
don't fit at all. I don't like to self diagnose, that's what I pay big
bucks for, but I don't know what to do in this case.
See another doctor for an independent assessment if he pushes it.
I'm just trying to keep from worrying too much. I've got another week to go
until my next appointment with this therp, and 2 weeks until I see my pdoc
(who I know and trust a lot). I'll go back for at least one more session
with this therp to see what she says, but I'm really not sure whether to
continue with the series of 6 or so sessions we had booked. I spent a long
time looking for a new therp who was available when I'm not working and this
woman came highly recommended.
My anxiety is pretty high at the moment. Hopefully things will look a bit
clearer tomorrow.
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| User: "Bacon" |
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13 Jun 2006 07:04:07 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:59:58 +1000, "mighty mouse"
<kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:sg6t82d1irmksrnecou76io4udacllg7dg@4ax.com...
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:08:47 +1000, "mighty mouse"
<kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
Wow. You need to regroup. First of all, the sleep will come and even
2 straight nights without it, though stressful, are completely
bearable. And as far as your pdoc's diagnosis, it sounds like he
mentioned it casually, merely a possibility he is considering in your
case. That approach is careless and almost unethical.
It was my new psychologist who mentioned this, not my pdoc, but she
mentioned it after only one one hour session with me. She said she wants to
work further with me and thinks she can help, but it's so confusing that
someone can come to such a different diagnosis than everyone else I've ever
seen after only one hour. She did mention it several times and was asking
me about specific criteria / symptoms. I picked up that it was BPD she was
asking about and she confirmed that she thought I may have it.
Problem is my old therp who I'd been seeing on and off for a year gave me a
personality test which happened to come from a book on BPD a few weeks ago.
I noticed this and asked if he thought I had Borderline Personality Disorder
and he said no.
Who do I believe?
I'd be researching the hell out of it too, obsessing as you are.
Clearly he did not properly describe the disorder or his basis for
this possibility.
We discussed it briefly but it was squeezed in among all the usual "getting
to know you" type questions. Not a lot of time was dedicated to it.
Random quote from internet:
"Others believe that the term "borderline personality" has been so
misunderstood and misused that trying to refine it is pointless and
suggest instead simply scrapping the term."
I read this too.
It's very controversial and is described differently depending on the
expert. I think you've probably already ruled it out based on your
research, but hearing it from your pdoc has you terribly confused.
I think I fit some of the criteria, but there are some important ones that I
don't fit at all. I don't like to self diagnose, that's what I pay big
bucks for, but I don't know what to do in this case.
See another doctor for an independent assessment if he pushes it.
I'm just trying to keep from worrying too much. I've got another week to go
until my next appointment with this therp, and 2 weeks until I see my pdoc
(who I know and trust a lot). I'll go back for at least one more session
with this therp to see what she says, but I'm really not sure whether to
continue with the series of 6 or so sessions we had booked. I spent a long
time looking for a new therp who was available when I'm not working and this
woman came highly recommended.
My anxiety is pretty high at the moment. Hopefully things will look a bit
clearer tomorrow.
I had a therapist diagnose me with Bipolar disorder after a 10 minute
discussion. He put me on depakote and later lithium. I work with a
family friend and respected psychiatrist now who can't believe that
happened. It really is as much an art as a science, just understand
as much as you can about the various disorders and how your particular
symptoms match up.
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| User: "Jesters mummy" |
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13 Jun 2006 07:39:10 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:59:58 +1000, "mighty mouse" <kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
wrote:
<(((*>I'm just trying to keep from worrying too much. I've got another week to go
<(((*>until my next appointment with this therp, and 2 weeks until I see my pdoc
<(((*>(who I know and trust a lot). I'll go back for at least one more session
<(((*>with this therp to see what she says, but I'm really not sure whether to
<(((*>continue with the series of 6 or so sessions we had booked. I spent a long
<(((*>time looking for a new therp who was available when I'm not working and this
<(((*>woman came highly recommended.
Look at it this way.
Her "diagnosis" isn't so much a diagnosis as it's an attempt to sketch out the
territory that the two of you will want to cover while you're seeing her. It's
probably not carved in stone, but would mutate over the course of therapy.
She may be right or she may be wrong. Either way right now she has a therapy
model in mind that maps to the BPD symptoms that you do have.
So, I guess what you have to decide is whether it's worth working with her to
deal with those aspects of your personality. Do you think that you can benefit
at least in part from taking this particular approach to therapy? And do you
trust that she can and will modify her approach as you work together?
Personally, I think that you won't be harmed by completing the six sessions
you've booked. You probably can use session 2 or 3 to discuss the "diagnosis"
and the issues it raises for you.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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| User: "mighty mouse" |
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| Title: Re: very confused :( (long) |
13 Jun 2006 08:21:40 AM |
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"Jester's mummy" <cocky2@nest.egg> wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:59:58 +1000, "mighty mouse"
<kye_99@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
wrote:
Look at it this way.
Her "diagnosis" isn't so much a diagnosis as it's an attempt to sketch out
the
territory that the two of you will want to cover while you're seeing her.
It's
probably not carved in stone, but would mutate over the course of therapy.
She may be right or she may be wrong. Either way right now she has a
therapy
model in mind that maps to the BPD symptoms that you do have.
So, I guess what you have to decide is whether it's worth working with her
to
deal with those aspects of your personality. Do you think that you can
benefit
at least in part from taking this particular approach to therapy? And do
you
trust that she can and will modify her approach as you work together?
Personally, I think that you won't be harmed by completing the six
sessions
you've booked. You probably can use session 2 or 3 to discuss the
"diagnosis"
and the issues it raises for you.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
You've always got a level head Tara, even when I'm worrying so much that
I'll be grey by the time I'm 30. Thank you.
You're right. It won't do me any harm to see what she is suggesting and
give it a try. And the parts of my personality that are pretty close to the
BPD diagnostic criteria can certainly do with some work.
I think it's just the whole prospect of having a personality disorder,
rather than a mood disorder that is pretty scary. But if I look at it from
the practical side of what will actually change if we do take that approach,
then it's not so bad.
The worst that can happen is that I go see her another couple of times, find
she isn't helping or isn't connecting with me, in which case start looking
for someone new. And during that time period I'll have seen my pdoc and
will have been able to get his opinion about this, which will be quite
interesting.
I don't know if I trust that she can modify her approach as I don't know her
yet, but I guess if I waste a few weeks and find that she is inflexible,
then I can just move on and try again, and repair any cracks that appear
later.
Thanks Tara. I've calmed down a bit now and I'm going to try to get some
sleep. Hopefully I can maintain this calmer mood for a while.
Kylie
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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| Title: Re: very confused :( (long) |
13 Jun 2006 04:29:00 PM |
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mighty mouse <kye_99@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
I got almost zero sleep last night, and it wasn't because I was up all night
partying after the soccer. I slept too much over the weekend and I just
couldn't sleep at night when I needed to.
That's why it's "Blue Monday" ... ppl sleep late weekends, can't
sleep Sunday night... and go to work sleep-deprived.
possibly having borderline personality disorder. I was ok at first, I was
tired and didn't really think about it that much. Now, a week later, I'm
totally freaked out by it and I've been reading all I can find about
symptoms, treatment and long term outcomes.
I really don't know if this fits me or not. Some aspects of it are right on
the mark but others really don't describe me at all. Or maybe they do and I
don't see it. I'm totally confused.
It's a new therapist. You have to sound each other out, see
if you suit each other. If this person keeps trying to make
you see symptoms you don't have, that's not good. If this person
doesn't have the confidence or expertise to treat you as diagnosed,
that's also not good. I have no idea if this is the case here.
It took me months to come to terms with having depression and anxiety and to
realise it was time for me to start taking meds for it. Now I may have to
start that adjustment process again, only this time it's adjusting to an
illness with a worse stigma, worse prognosis and frankly, one that scares
the hell out of me.
I would be also. I don't much care for the "label" in that case.
I don't know what I'm asking for, or why I'm going to bother posting this
ramble.
Because it's a Major New Development and you need to think about
it, and it doesn't hurt to think about it in a forum where ppl will listen.
--
but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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| User: "mighty mouse" |
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| Title: Re: very confused :( (long) |
14 Jun 2006 08:38:36 AM |
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"Contrarian" <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote in message
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mighty mouse <kye_99@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
I got almost zero sleep last night, and it wasn't because I was up all
night
partying after the soccer. I slept too much over the weekend and I just
couldn't sleep at night when I needed to.
That's why it's "Blue Monday" ... ppl sleep late weekends, can't
sleep Sunday night... and go to work sleep-deprived.
Yeah I'm often like that on Mondays. In this case it was a long weekend so
it was an extra blue Tuesday.
possibly having borderline personality disorder. I was ok at first, I
was
tired and didn't really think about it that much. Now, a week later,
I'm
totally freaked out by it and I've been reading all I can find about
symptoms, treatment and long term outcomes.
I really don't know if this fits me or not. Some aspects of it are
right on
the mark but others really don't describe me at all. Or maybe they do
and I
don't see it. I'm totally confused.
It's a new therapist. You have to sound each other out, see
if you suit each other. If this person keeps trying to make
you see symptoms you don't have, that's not good. If this person
doesn't have the confidence or expertise to treat you as diagnosed,
that's also not good. I have no idea if this is the case here.
You're right, I do need to spend more time talking to this therapist and
seeing if we can work together and confirming whether the symptoms she sees
are really there.
It took me months to come to terms with having depression and anxiety
and to
realise it was time for me to start taking meds for it. Now I may have
to
start that adjustment process again, only this time it's adjusting to an
illness with a worse stigma, worse prognosis and frankly, one that
scares
the hell out of me.
I would be also. I don't much care for the "label" in that case.
No, me neither. I've always heard it used to put people in the "too hard
basket". I don't want that to be me.
I don't know what I'm asking for, or why I'm going to bother posting
this
ramble.
Because it's a Major New Development and you need to think about
it, and it doesn't hurt to think about it in a forum where ppl will
listen.
Thanks for listening C. I do appreciate people giving me feedback when I
"think" here. Sometimes I need to get things out of my head before it
explodes, and journalling just doesn't do it.
Kylie
--
but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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| User: "gravity" |
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| Title: Re: very confused :( (long) |
14 Jun 2006 09:25:16 AM |
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Kylie, you don't seem BPD to me.
Gravity
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| User: "mighty mouse" |
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15 Jun 2006 08:35:11 AM |
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"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Kylie, you don't seem BPD to me.
Gravity
Thanks Michael. I don't want to have BPD and I'm glad I don't come across
as someone who is difficult to like / get along with and angry and
manipulative. I may be those things to some people in my life at some
times, but I don't want it to be who I am.
Kylie
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| User: "slunky" |
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| Title: Re: very confused :( (long) |
13 Jun 2006 04:37:10 PM |
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_/ Contrarian wrote \_
That's why it's "Blue Monday" ... ppl sleep late weekends, can't
sleep Sunday night... and go to work sleep-deprived.
I've always heard of "Blue Monday" in an entirely different context.
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-slunky
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: very confused :( (long) |
13 Jun 2006 04:37:57 PM |
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"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
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_/ Contrarian wrote \_
That's why it's "Blue Monday" ... ppl sleep late weekends, can't
sleep Sunday night... and go to work sleep-deprived.
I've always heard of "Blue Monday" in an entirely different context.
--
-slunky
my blue mondays are , albert johnson , live
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| User: "slunky" |
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| Title: Re: very confused :( (long) |
13 Jun 2006 04:43:05 PM |
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_/ % wrote \_
my blue mondays are , albert johnson , live
My blue mondays were the day immediately following a day where I did a
lot of drugs.
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-slunky
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| User: "Noon Cat Nick" |
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| Title: Re: very confused :( (long) |
13 Jun 2006 08:21:47 AM |
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mighty mouse wrote:
I got almost zero sleep last night, and it wasn't because I was up all night
partying after the soccer. I slept too much over the weekend and I just
couldn't sleep at night when I needed to. Surprisingly I'm really not that
tired now. I really hope I'm able to get a decent nights sleep in a few
hours because I don't know how I'll manage after 2 virtually sleepless
nights.
I've done it after too much sleep. (I'm doing it right now, in fact.)
You'll get through it.
My brain is still trying to digest what this new therp told me about
possibly having borderline personality disorder. I was ok at first, I was
tired and didn't really think about it that much. Now, a week later, I'm
totally freaked out by it and I've been reading all I can find about
symptoms, treatment and long term outcomes.
I really don't know if this fits me or not. Some aspects of it are right on
the mark but others really don't describe me at all. Or maybe they do and I
don't see it. I'm totally confused.
It's only a possibility, not a diagnosis. Personally, I think therps are
often too quick to apply the BPD label on their clients. It could very
well be something else. A one-hour session isn't enough to make a solid
Axis II diagnosis IMVHO.
Just a thought: BPD and PTSD are close cousins in terms of their
symptoms. Look up the criteria for PTSD and complex PTSD and see if
either of those might not more closely define your condition.
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| User: "mighty mouse" |
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| Title: Re: very confused :( (long) |
14 Jun 2006 08:46:46 AM |
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"Noon Cat Nick" <chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:448EBA95.2000102@hotmail.com...
mighty mouse wrote:
I got almost zero sleep last night, and it wasn't because I was up all
night
partying after the soccer. I slept too much over the weekend and I just
couldn't sleep at night when I needed to. Surprisingly I'm really not
that
tired now. I really hope I'm able to get a decent nights sleep in a few
hours because I don't know how I'll manage after 2 virtually sleepless
nights.
I've done it after too much sleep. (I'm doing it right now, in fact.)
You'll get through it.
I feel like this after most weekends, but this was worse than usual.
Thankfully I was able to get some sleep.
My brain is still trying to digest what this new therp told me about
possibly having borderline personality disorder. I was ok at first, I
was
tired and didn't really think about it that much. Now, a week later, I'm
totally freaked out by it and I've been reading all I can find about
symptoms, treatment and long term outcomes.
I really don't know if this fits me or not. Some aspects of it are right
on
the mark but others really don't describe me at all. Or maybe they do
and I
don't see it. I'm totally confused.
It's only a possibility, not a diagnosis. Personally, I think therps are
often too quick to apply the BPD label on their clients. It could very
well be something else. A one-hour session isn't enough to make a solid
Axis II diagnosis IMVHO.
I totally agree. If this therapist encourages open discussion of the
"possible" diagnosis, then I'll be happy. If she treats it as fact then
I'll be quite concerned.
Just a thought: BPD and PTSD are close cousins in terms of their
symptoms. Look up the criteria for PTSD and complex PTSD and see if
either of those might not more closely define your condition.
PTSD doesn't really fit me. Complex PTSD comes closer, but what I read
seemed very vaigue. I might do some further reading on this, just in case.
Thanks Nick.
Kylie
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