Sociology > Depression > Was Truthseeker raped before he killed himself? Another DIG supported rumour
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Was Truthseeker raped before he killed himself? Another DIG supported rumour |
on talk.origins it was writen:
MATT THEODORE <MATTTHEODORE@webtv.net> wrote:
He doesn't taunt Rape Victims what he was saying is without god their is
anarchy. I admit he worded it wrong but I think what I said is what he
ment
the T.O Moderater replies as content moderation justification:
Yes, he does; he also taunts friends and relatives of suicides, most
notably the mother of one. He is one of the most purely evil persons
I have ever seen on USENET - he purposefully inflicts pain and
suffering on people
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(jabriol replies:" So easy to talk about another person, when he is not
allowed to post to your group to defend themselves eh Greig?
Please present any evidence at all That first, I am responsible for Chris
Dubose Suicidal Death, and Second, That I taunted Cynthia Dubose in any
shape, form, or fashion.
After all You claim to have me kill, so your comments are based on second
hand comments of irate T.O. regulars who can't separate science theory from
political correctness.
First Chris Dubose aka thruthseeker has promised many times before that if
George Bush wins the election he would commit suicide. He also was having a
romance problem with another depressed girl aka Sepideh.
I sent Chris only one post indicating that per evolution if, and only if
evolution was correct, his suicidal tendencies were natural, and nature
wanted him removed from the genepool since per evolution as a species humans
wanted only thing eat and reproduce and he was failing at one. If evolution
was incorrect, he could fight his suicidal tendencies, My last line to him
was:"read the bible". Up to this day It is not known if he ever read the
post.
After Chris death, His Mother Cynthia Dubose, track down every e-mail she
believed would have motivated Chris to commit suicide. She even track me
down to the yahoogroup creationevolve to tell me, that Chris had killed
himself. Susan Bradfield, I believed that was her name, thank her for the
note and promise to spread around, That I have motivated Chris Dubose to
kill himself, and in fact embellished the story that Chris took my advice .
This is what she needed as well as few T.O regulars to get me banned from
T.O as well as banned from every yahoogroup that discussed evolution and
creation. I am surprise however of how many people will believe everything
on Usenet, with out facts. Then again that is the nature of Usenet.
I am a bit surprise that Greig would say this about my person without the
facts, and thus forward and untrue statement. I think may affect his
position at the university of ediacra, if I was to make a formal complaint.
However that institution is about as bogus as Piltdown man was.
It also affects his credibility more if he becomes known as an individual
who would forward rumors with hardcore facts.
then again is that not the nature of evolutionist, to present speculations
because there is no fact?
In anycase if the theory of evolution is true, then suicide is as natural as
sun bathing, and rape is an alternative method of reproduction where all
else fails, after all science state that human are animals, why worry?
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05 Aug 2003 05:17:42 PM |
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jabriol wrote:
(jabriol replies:" So easy to talk about another person, when he is not
allowed to post to your group to defend themselves eh Greig?
slipped out of the killfile eh?
you, sir, are a lying piece of pond slime...your supposed
defence is full of factual errors to the extent that it
can't be excused as confusion on your part but can only
be through dishonesty...Chris was a bit messed up in many
ways, but was one hell of a nice guy...you aren't fit to
share the oxygen he used to breathe let alone to post
this sort of garbage about him and his mother
if there is any place on this planet suitable for you it
is at least six feet under the ground...with all due
respect (in this particular case that means absolutely
none at all), ***** and die
back in the bin with you...I find being polite and
flattering to you extremely hard work so I won't bother
again
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eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"Hey Lord don't ask me questions
There ain't no answer in me"
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| User: "jabriol" |
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05 Aug 2003 08:03:48 PM |
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"Eric Jarvis" <web@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.199a3d615467ae9198b45c@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
jabriol wrote:
if there is any place on this planet suitable for you it
is at least six feet under the ground...with all due
respect (in this particular case that means absolutely
none at all), ***** and die
And was that not the same advice you gave to Chris when he ticked you off..
I know he did not read my post, but certainly read yours...
things that make you go huh....
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| User: "jabriol" |
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05 Aug 2003 07:50:57 PM |
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"Eric Jarvis" <web@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.199a3d615467ae9198b45c@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
jabriol wrote:
(jabriol replies:" So easy to talk about another person, when he is not
allowed to post to your group to defend themselves eh Greig?
slipped out of the killfile eh?
you, sir, are a lying piece of pond slime...your supposed
defence is full of factual errors to the extent that it
can't be excused as confusion on your part but can only
be through dishonesty...Chris was a bit messed up in many
ways, but was one hell of a nice guy...you aren't fit to
share the oxygen he used to breathe let alone to post
this sort of garbage about him and his mother
well chris is not breathing anymore... and his mother is not posting
anymore..
please point out the dishonesty... or the errors..
if any... oh you can't.. I am in your killfile.. good hit and run
technique..
if there is any place on this planet suitable for you it
is at least six feet under the ground...with all due
respect (in this particular case that means absolutely
none at all), ***** and die
back in the bin with you...I find being polite and
flattering to you extremely hard work so I won't bother
again
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eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"Hey Lord don't ask me questions
There ain't no answer in me"
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05 Aug 2003 06:50:44 PM |
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In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: Eric Jarvis picked up
the keyboard and pecked out:
:: can't be excused as confusion on your part but can only
:: be through dishonesty...Chris was a bit messed up in many
:: ways, but was one hell of a nice guy...
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Jabriol was besides himself with joy and happiness when Chris committed
suicide. He gave us gory descriptions of the death scene. Bloody, horrible
descriptions. Jabriol is a well known Jehovah's Witness sociopath here on
Usenet. The more pain he can inflict on someone the more pleasure he gets.
--
Justin Kace......
"Men (like Jabriol) never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal ~ (1623-1662)
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05 Aug 2003 07:54:22 PM |
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And here we have Carol.. lying once again,
tell us some new lies Carol, you like the one that I was kicked out and
disfellowshiped and all that.
you have no credibility here, no liar does like you do...
and like fly on manure, you do not fail to stick to it..
" * ~ $ ~ *" <BewareOfFreaks@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote in message
news:TbXXa.2244$jq.1938@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
Jabriol was besides himself with joy and happiness when Chris committed
suicide. He gave us gory descriptions of the death scene. Bloody,
horrible
descriptions. Jabriol is a well known Jehovah's Witness sociopath here on
Usenet. The more pain he can inflict on someone the more pleasure he
gets.
--
Justin Kace......
"Men (like Jabriol) never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal ~ (1623-1662)
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| User: "~ Soft N. Fuzzy ~" |
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05 Aug 2003 10:12:19 PM |
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In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: jabriol picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
:: And here we have Carol.. lying once again,
:: tell us some new lies Carol, you like the one that I was kicked
:: out and disfellowshiped and all that.
** Were you? You never did answer that one way or the other.
:: you have no credibility here, no liar does like you do...
:: and like fly on manure, you do not fail to stick to it..
** Same old lame nonsense from you...... LOL! Get some new material
Jabbers. BTW I believe I still have all those disgusting posts where you're
besides yourself with glee over that young man's death.
--
Justin Kace......
"Men (like Jabriol) never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal ~ (1623-1662)
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| User: "jabriol" |
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06 Aug 2003 05:02:51 AM |
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"~ Soft N. Fuzzy ~" <Beware@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote in message
news:R8_Xa.2499$jq.1524@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: jabriol picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
:: And here we have Carol.. lying once again,
:: tell us some new lies Carol, you like the one that I was kicked
:: out and disfellowshiped and all that.
** Were you? You never did answer that one way or the other.
actually I did. But Idiots and liars like you read what they like to at
convinience.
cut the crap anyway you are a liar, and it is well documented.
:: you have no credibility here, no liar does like you do...
:: and like fly on manure, you do not fail to stick to it..
** Same old lame nonsense from you...... LOL! Get some new material
Jabbers. BTW I believe I still have all those disgusting posts where
you're
besides yourself with glee over that young man's death.
rerally where are they.. ah yes you are lying again.. go figure.
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06 Aug 2003 12:56:55 PM |
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In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: jabriol picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
:: actually I did. But Idiots and liars like you read what they like
:: to at convinience.
:: cut the crap anyway you are a liar, and it is well documented.
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So far you've accused everyone on Usenet of being a liar when they expose
you for the sociopath you are. I can see why you're banned in so many
places and why you've had at least 10 ISPs in the last few years.
--
Justin Kace......
"Men (like Jabriol) never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal ~ (1623-1662)
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06 Aug 2003 09:14:49 PM |
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"~ Soft N. Fuzzy ~" <Beware@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote in message
news:86bYa.2964$jq.2353@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: jabriol picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
:: actually I did. But Idiots and liars like you read what they like
:: to at convinience.
:: cut the crap anyway you are a liar, and it is well documented.
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So far you've accused everyone on Usenet of being a liar when they expose
you for the sociopath you are.
Nope, only you, the others are misinformed. You lie on purpose with intent
to libel and slander every jw you can.
I can see why you're banned in so many
places and why you've had at least 10 ISPs in the last few years.
actually I am banned in t.o. and all these years I had only one ISP.
Now please ntertain us with more lies, but I doubt anyone is reading the
thread.
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| User: "jabriol" |
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07 Aug 2003 05:02:24 AM |
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"Mike Krobes" <BewareEvil@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote in message
news:F2kYa.3729$jq.535@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: jabriol picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
::: So far you've accused everyone on Usenet of being a liar when
::: they expose you for the sociopath you are.
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:: Nope, only you, the others are misinformed. You lie on purpose
:: with intent to libel and slander every jw you can.
## With what purpose? You are a sadistic sociopath, everyone knows it.
They know how you love to torment and torture people who are already in
pain. No slander there - just plain old TRUTH.
The ASD crowd has just proven you a liar, and abuser of victims to further
your hate. anybody can follow your lies, and you got womp by the ASD crowd.
give it up.. knowbody cares about a liar.
:: > I can see why you're banned in so many
::: places and why you've had at least 10 ISPs in the last few years.
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:: actually I am banned in t.o. and all these years I had only one
:: ISP.
## You should be banned from Usenet before you cause the death of another
disturbed person. One ISP? LOL!!!!
Are you still accusing me of causing Chris dubose death, after the ASD crowd
told you the contrary.. gee's you are mentally disturbed after the savage
beating your ex gave you. maybe you should join them.
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:: Now please ntertain us with more lies, but I doubt anyone is
:: reading the thread.
## Why would anyone read a thread with your name on it. Just about
everyone
has you killfiled. :o)
they did it on ASD, and call you a liar, apparently some were interested.
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Bottom line you are a mentally ill women who lies and lies and lies.. no
doubt about it.
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| User: "~ Soft N. Fuzzy ~" |
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| Title: Re: Is Truthseeker dead because of a Jehovah Witness - YES, READ THIS #3 (Jab you killed him) |
05 Aug 2003 10:21:39 PM |
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REMEMBER THIS ONE JABRIOL? I hope you rot in hell some day for what you did
to this young man.
Fuzzy........
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Here, others have not been able to provide this. Click here:
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=636158785
You can then examine the whole thread and the picture becomes clear. Just
as well that I saved the post, eh?
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From: "Jabriol" <>
Subject: Re: I am thinking of suicide soon
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
Date: 18 Jun 2000 15:46:05 PDT
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On 16-Jun-2000, (XQoozeMe) wrote:
: I am afraid if there is a God he may further punish me. I just want to
: end the pain, not add / delay it. Please help.
Suicide is strong directive from Natural selction. This mean, that nature
has not found you fit to survive. this is what science teaches via the
theory of evolution. If you belive in evolution as the origin of Man.
You know what must be done.
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Here is what ARIN shows for the alleged originating ISP of that poster:
Wisconsin Internet / Internet Connect, Inc. (NET-INCNET-WINET-RAK)
10437 Innovation Drive
Wauwatosa, WI 53226
USA
Netname: INCNET-WINET-RAK
Netblock: 204.95.193.0 - 204.95.193.255
Coordinator:
Brooks, Ryan K. [Chief Technical Officer] (RB78-ARIN)
414-908-9000 ext. 11 (414) 205-5201 (FAX) 414-908-9010
ARIN record last updated on 11-Jan-1996.
JW A.Santana ("Manuel to my friends!") continually switches ISPs, proxies,
email addresses and news servers/gateways. He used the above combination of
services to post to Usenet over 150 times between 10 May and 19 June 2000.
The above post and others that followed it over the next 24 hours
constituted Jabriol's last use of this particular combination... guess why.
Note that JWs view all non-JWs as walking dogfood anyway - JehooooooooBah
Gawd-of-the-Watchtower is going to blast all six billion non-JWs into
smithereens tomorrow (for when Harm-agedonandonandon is scheduled) -
hopefully after torturing themselves first!
So, by encouraging someone to commit suicide, the JW is actually doing them
a favor according to Jehovah's Witness principles!
Note of course Mr Antonio Santana aka Jabriol is the smartest JW on the
Net. You may contact him at his verified address (admitted by him in
Message ID: <928697419.540.40@news.remarQ.com>, so NO breach of netiquette
here) of 3072 South Constitution Rd, Camden, NJ 08104-3118. One of his
phone numbers is (856)962 9003. Of course you must not harass him at all!
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06 Aug 2003 11:29:19 AM |
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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:21:39 -0500, "~ Soft N. Fuzzy ~"
<Beware@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote:
REMEMBER THIS ONE JABRIOL? I hope you rot in hell some day for what you did
to this young man.
Give it a rest. Yes, Jabroil is a walking, breathing pile of dog
*****. But Truthseeker's death has nothing to do with Jabroil. Chris
killed himself right on schedule according to his threats which he had
been posting for some time.
His threat was something like: "If Bush is elected President and I
still don't have a girlfriend, I'm going to kill myself". He did it,
on November 12, apparently not caring to wait for the Florida election
mess to be sorted out.
Jabroil's messages and "helpful" comments were just a coincidence.
Chris didn't need any help in deciding to kill himself.
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06 Aug 2003 01:13:56 PM |
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In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: IOStorm picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
:: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:21:39 -0500, "~ Soft N. Fuzzy ~"
:: <Beware@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote:
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::: REMEMBER THIS ONE JABRIOL? I hope you rot in hell some day for
::: what you did to this young man.
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:: Give it a rest. Yes, Jabroil is a walking, breathing pile of dog
:: *****. But Truthseeker's death has nothing to do with Jabroil.
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You have your opinion and others have theirs. The last thing Chris needed
was someone like jabriol encouraging him to act. With some love and healthy
encouragement this young man may have had second thoughts. I did volunteer
work in the past with the mentally/emotional ill. All it can take sometimes
is someone like Jabbers and his vicious posts to push the person over the
edge.
--
Justin Kace......
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal ~ (1623-1662)
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06 Aug 2003 10:00:19 PM |
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"Heather" <heatherasd@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:heatherasd-AC790B.16165006082003@news.fu-berlin.de...
In article <XLcYa.3019$jq.857@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com>,
"~ * ~" <Beware@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote:
In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: Heather picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
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::: I did volunteer work in the past with the mentally/emotional ill.
::: All it can take sometimes is someone like Jabbers and his vicious
::: posts to push the person over the edge.
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:: True enough. However, years after the fact, feelings are still raw
:: about this subject in ASD and yet you people continue to shove
:: this crap down our throats.
# Yes feelings are raw. People don't forget. It was his vicious
cruelty
to this young man and his mother that disturbed people most.
Maybe in your newsgroup. Here in alt.support.depression, people who knew
Chris could give a flying *** about Jabriol's behaviour, other than the
fact that he drags his obsession here.
Shove it down
your throats? Just killfile the thread/posters like a normal person
would
do if you don't want to remember Chris and what transpired at that time.
I do. Stuff slips through.
If you MUST discuss it, leave us out
:: of it please.
# Leave who out? Which NG are you posting from?
alt.support.depression
I don't expect Jabriol to care but I would hope that
:: others, like you, have more sense than he does.
# You are free to skip the thread you know. There is no law forcing
you to
read every thread and every post. :-)
Correct. I can assure you that this continuing saga involving Jabriol
and Chris is of absolutely no interest to *anyone* in this newsgroup and
we'd appreciate not seeing the reminders. Since you claim to be
sympathetic to people with mental health issues, I hope you can
understand that these posts are upsetting to quite a few people who
remember Chris.
Heather...Carol is a liar.. there no evidence she worked with mentally ill
people.
The truthseeker saga will not die untill Cynthia return with the truth about
her son.
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07 Aug 2003 05:16:59 PM |
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"Mike Krobes" <BewareEvil@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote in message
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In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: jabriol picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
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:: Golly, you are dense.. did you not read I had nothing to do with
:: Chris death...
## You encouraged him to do it! You as much as pushed him...... then you
GLOATED as I already posted here for all to see.
well lets ask them.. wait we already did.. and they told you why Chris
killed himself.
lets ask them again shall we?
and the only thing you mposted was cut and paste bullcrap... everyone know
you forge headers to slander and libel jw's
:: Maybe if you said the truth for once you won't get jump on by
:: these people in ASD.
## These people are just SICK of the whole thing and who can blame them?
Are you saying that the people who told yu the truth about Chris Dubose iare
lying??
Heather is a liar as well?
:: Are you admiting to using truthseeker death as a tool to slander
:: Jw's?
## Which JWs besides yourself were involved? Who else encouraged him to
kill himself besides YOU?
Did I kill truthseeker?
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12 Aug 2003 05:03:21 AM |
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Carol with another header?
listen go Home, and service your husband... it proven you are a lair...
everybody on ASD knows
"Saint DeSheba" <sadists-like-jabbers@theWicked-WTs.net> wrote in message
news:FU%Za.441$K8.430@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
"jabriol" a sick sociopathic Jehovah's Witness <jabriol@hotmail.com>
foamed
at the mouth in message news:3f38169d$0$35995$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
irrevellant. Nothing cant be done, don't make promises you can not keep.
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Another sick jabriol post. I wish he could be banned from Usenet before
he
helps another person go over-the-edge.
Carol never called all these people liars..... (nor did anyone else).
Come
back to reality Jabbers before someone does a find a way to ban you
permanently from all the NGs you haunt like the evil warped little gnome
you
are.
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Slim Pikinz using Carol's PC.......
Lets see what another poster says about Jab the sociopath.
Buckler <buckkler@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9dhhmtsrm88etp6qeji0ugtogru2c890h0@4ax.com...
"Jabriol, (a Jehovah's Witness) you are one of the most vile, horrible,
evil
people I have
ever had the displeasure to encounter, either in meatspace or the
'net. Have you no humanity? No empathy? No sense of connection to
other human beings in any meaningful way?"
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07 Aug 2003 09:59:52 PM |
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Heather the hypocratic liar brown nose wrote:
In article <3f32d015$0$52046$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"jabriol" <jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Mike Krobes" <BewareEvil@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote in message
news:Y5kYa.3730$jq.334@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: jabriol picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
::
:: Golly, you are dense.. did you not read I had nothing to do with
:: Chris death...
## You encouraged him to do it! You as much as pushed him...... then
you GLOATED as I already posted here for all to see.
well lets ask them.. wait we already did.. and they told you why Chris
killed himself.
lets ask them again shall we?
He killed himself in large part because he suffered from Asperger's
Syndrome which is a form of autism. His pattern was to reject most of
the helpful advice and support that was offered to him. Check out his
final post in Google. He assigns no blame for what he was about to do.
[J replies: All true so far, shame Heather becomes later liar and slanderer]
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:: Maybe if you said the truth for once you won't get jump on by
:: these people in ASD.
## These people are just SICK of the whole thing and who can blame them?
Yes, we are.
[you can blame miserable Cyntia Dubose and other crackpot like Carolyn, husband should whomp in head more]
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Are you saying that the people who told yu the truth about Chris Dubose
iare lying??
Heather is a liar as well?
That's not what this person said. The point is that it upsets people in
ASD to see Chris's name dredged up. It's been going for years now!
["enemy of Jw did this, make up storys and say lies is their habit"]
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You
are the one that makes sure that we see it constantly, Jabriol. You are
the one who deliberately tries to upset people by posting gruesome
descriptions of what you think his death was like. It's sickening and
sadistic. How many more years are you going to obsess over this? Give it
a rest already!
[J: must be talking with Carol the liar has make you into liar also Heather. I never brought any to ASD, What is your nose color?]
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(My apologies for the cross-posting but I don't know where this
discussion originated.)
[you are very depressed person Heather, if evolution is true then that be guide you have consider offing yourself? If you must, try do it in clean way, Internet can give research, do not lose your head just because bordercase pedophile Truthseeker lose his head. His head lie one side of the track, body another, great gift by evolutionist and other athesit to ASD. It can be his head go bounce bounce before it stops rolling....
For message of love and hope read http://www.watchtower.org]
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--
Heather
________________________________________________________________
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
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ASD,
this is Another forged e-mail from Carol, once again to defame the Jabriol
man, it has been done in the past. Hence my use of various server, if you
read the header from the remailer, you will be able to determine that is not
me who write these things.
Carol does this a lot, and then save the forgery to use a weapon to slander
JW's,
she lost this battle and is in embarrased of the lost.. pay her no mind.
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
news:20030805.098445.39395.763880@webmail13.nyc.untd.com...
Heather the hypocratic liar brown nose wrote:
In article <3f32d015$0$52046$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"jabriol" <jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Mike Krobes" <BewareEvil@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote in message
news:Y5kYa.3730$jq.334@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: jabriol picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
::
:: Golly, you are dense.. did you not read I had nothing to do with
:: Chris death...
## You encouraged him to do it! You as much as pushed him...... then
you GLOATED as I already posted here for all to see.
well lets ask them.. wait we already did.. and they told you why Chris
killed himself.
lets ask them again shall we?
He killed himself in large part because he suffered from Asperger's
Syndrome which is a form of autism. His pattern was to reject most of
the helpful advice and support that was offered to him. Check out his
final post in Google. He assigns no blame for what he was about to do.
[J replies: All true so far, shame Heather becomes later liar and
slanderer]
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:: Maybe if you said the truth for once you won't get jump on by
:: these people in ASD.
## These people are just SICK of the whole thing and who can blame
them?
Yes, we are.
[you can blame miserable Cyntia Dubose and other crackpot like Carolyn,
husband should whomp in head more]
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Are you saying that the people who told yu the truth about Chris Dubose
iare lying??
Heather is a liar as well?
That's not what this person said. The point is that it upsets people in
ASD to see Chris's name dredged up. It's been going for years now!
["enemy of Jw did this, make up storys and say lies is their habit"]
--------------------------------------------------------
You
are the one that makes sure that we see it constantly, Jabriol. You are
the one who deliberately tries to upset people by posting gruesome
descriptions of what you think his death was like. It's sickening and
sadistic. How many more years are you going to obsess over this? Give it
a rest already!
[J: must be talking with Carol the liar has make you into liar also
Heather. I never brought any to ASD, What is your nose color?]
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(My apologies for the cross-posting but I don't know where this
discussion originated.)
[you are very depressed person Heather, if evolution is true then that be
guide you have consider offing yourself? If you must, try do it in clean
way, Internet can give research, do not lose your head just because
bordercase pedophile Truthseeker lose his head. His head lie one side of the
track, body another, great gift by evolutionist and other athesit to ASD. It
can be his head go bounce bounce before it stops rolling....
For message of love and hope read http://www.watchtower.org]
--------------------------------------------------------------
--
Heather
________________________________________________________________
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
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07 Aug 2003 05:08:18 PM |
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"Mike Krobes" <BewareEvil@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote in message
news:lgkYa.3734$jq.966@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: jabriol, the evil Jehovah's
Witness picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
::
:: Wrong, You are not stating an opinion, your are giving an
:: assertation, that I am directly responsible for Chris death. look
:: at you rewritten header (jab you killed him"
:: and:"Re: Is Truthseeker dead because of a Jehovah Witness "
:: Does this look like an opinion? ask any lawyer.
$$ You made sure you pushed him, and pushed him to do it instead of trying
to be kind, be loving, be understanding.... you were vicious and cruel as
usual.
Push him with one post?, that nobody know if he read it or
not?..sure....sure...sure...
You didn't care what happened to him.
And you do? You don't even know him, you used his suicide as a tool, to
slander and lie about all JW's. You do the same with children ***** are
victim of chils abuse.
You don't care for Chris and you don't care for victims of pedophiles. And
the ASD crowd who did know truthseeker called you on it.. and you still
abuse his circunstances.
I've had it with you covering
your sh*t with this sad situation.
You mean you can't le anymore, because the ASD crown called you on it, and
now you are an exposed Liar?
Since the troubled young man was
mentally ill you took advantage with your creation/evolution crap to push
him off the edge - to prove your creation theory.
You dont know that, the ASD crowd told you wahy Chris killed himself, or
you forgot already? they do sell medicine OTC for memory loss.
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07 Aug 2003 05:23:10 PM |
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Bam!!! Bam!!!
Carol get called a Liar again!!!!
Another inmortal post that tell the truth!!!!
the T.O. Moderators should now apologize for spreading this rumour and using
this as an excuse for content moderation
"IOStorm" <noemail@noemail.net> wrote in message
news:vgu4jvceblctvvolj4l9l8cua97bmes1nm@4ax.com...
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:49:44 -0500, "~ * ~"
<Beware@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote:
# Yes feelings are raw. People don't forget. It was his vicious
cruelty
to this young man and his mother that disturbed people most. Shove it
down
your throats? Just killfile the thread/posters like a normal person
would
do if you don't want to remember Chris and what transpired at that time.
Jabroil was not cruel to Truthseeker. It was nothing more than the
usual Usenet crap that all of us are used to. As bad as it sounds,
everything Jabriol said can be taken as rhetorical.
As for Chris's mother... frankly she had it coming. Jumping into
Usenet and spreading messages that accuse a person of murder is bound
to garner ill will.
Jabriol is an ***** who spends his time flaming and degrading others
while waiting for that great eternal 144,000 man daisy chain in the
sky. But he isn't a murderer.
If Chris was so incompetent in dealing with reality then his mother
should have had him committed. Or at least trashed his computer so he
wouldn't have been exposed to Usenet. Nothing in Usenet was helpful
to the guy. The internet in general just fed his paranoia. She has
no right to blame anyone before and unless she takes a good hard look
at herself.
Then again, being the kids mother she no doubt *is* blaming herself.
Her lashing out at some rather obvious evil figure is only natural I
suppose. Not realistic and certainly not helpful, but natural.
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06 Aug 2003 08:56:23 PM |
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In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: Heather picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
.. Since you claim to be
:: sympathetic to people with mental health issues, I hope you can
:: understand that these posts are upsetting to quite a few people who
:: remember Chris.
::
:: --
:: Heather
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Your NG will be removed from now on. I wish you all well.
--
Justin Kace......
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal ~ (1623-1662)
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07 Aug 2003 04:52:02 AM |
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"~ * ~" <Beware@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote in message
news:F7iYa.3543$jq.1568@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: Heather picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
. Since you claim to be
:: sympathetic to people with mental health issues, I hope you can
:: understand that these posts are upsetting to quite a few people who
:: remember Chris.
::
:: --
:: Heather
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Your NG will be removed from now on. I wish you all well.
--
She admits to being a liar...good
evidence to to the arjw crowd of the true nature of Carol and her slander
against all JW's this thread is inmortalize on google for a very good long
time.
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07 Aug 2003 04:54:45 PM |
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"Justin Kase" <All-Crooks@TheWickedWTs.net> wrote in message
news:3f328d5e@news.isdn.net...
In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: jabriol, an evil Jehovah's
Witness, picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
::
:: She admits to being a liar...good
** Don't waste your time jabberwocky, they've all killfiled you. For
every
one who believes Chris would have killed himself without your sincere
encouragement to do so, there are 20 who believe you PUSHED him into it.
Now live with what you did.
Live with what? Do I care if people believes in Lies.. the point is you said
I killed him. ASD said you lied about this..and the bottom line is
You are a Liar
now live with that!
Since you never show sympathy or give support to the depressed on that NG
why do you keep posting there? Are you depressed and looking for help?
Why
not find a therapist in your own neighborhood?
I posted there, because you are such an idiot, that you crave support on
your lies, and it backfired. They just confirmed that you are a liar, those
on the Other NG's will know this as well, next time you butt into my thread,
they will know who you are, and that you are Liar...
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06 Aug 2003 09:57:14 PM |
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In article <F7iYa.3543$jq.1568@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com>,
"~ * ~" <Beware@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote:
In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: Heather picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
. Since you claim to be
:: sympathetic to people with mental health issues, I hope you can
:: understand that these posts are upsetting to quite a few people who
:: remember Chris.
::
:: --
:: Heather
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Your NG will be removed from now on. I wish you all well.
Thank you very much!
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07 Aug 2003 04:54:31 AM |
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And thanj Heather ans the rest of the ASD crowd for proving that Carol is a
vindictive liar... who use victims to further her hate agenda against a
docile people.
Now if only the Moderator would do the same.
"Heather" <heatherasd@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:heatherasd-0A6712.21571406082003@news.fu-berlin.de...
In article <F7iYa.3543$jq.1568@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com>,
"~ * ~" <Beware@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote:
In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: Heather picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
. Since you claim to be
:: sympathetic to people with mental health issues, I hope you can
:: understand that these posts are upsetting to quite a few people who
:: remember Chris.
::
:: --
:: Heather
=============================
Your NG will be removed from now on. I wish you all well.
Thank you very much!
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07 Aug 2003 04:31:55 PM |
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In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: IOStorm picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
::
:: Jabroil was not cruel to Truthseeker. It was nothing more than the
:: usual Usenet crap that all of us are used to. As bad as it sounds,
:: everything Jabriol said can be taken as rhetorical.
* I don't want to get into a argument with you IOStorm. I have no idea how
much experience you've had with the mentally ill or what training you've had
in that area. Those who are suicidal need KINDNESS and understanding. Can
you imagine if professional therapists spoke to their ill patients like
Jabriol did to Chris? Jabbers was dealing with a mentally unbalanced young
man who needed kindness, support and encouragement - not Jabriol's
suggestion that he, "knew what he had to do" i.e. kill himself. People who
are more stable than Chris was could easily handle sociopathic sadists like
Jabbers, Chris was much more vulnerable to suggestion and rejection. Surely
you can set your personal feelings about Chris aside, and understand this.
:::: As for Chris's mother... frankly she had it coming. Jumping into
:: Usenet and spreading messages that accuse a person of murder is
:: bound
:: to garner ill will.
* She had Jabriol's tormenting and gruesome descriptions of her son's
suicide coming to her? This mother was distraught and upset. What mother
wouldn't be? Was ghoulish insults and tormenting posts supposed to help
her?
:: Jabriol is an ***** who spends his time flaming and degrading
:: others while waiting for that great eternal 144,000 man daisy
:: chain in the
:: sky. But he isn't a murderer.
* Jabriol would gladly "off" as he calls it, all the people who reject the
teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses, if he could get away with it. He
uses the old testament to back his beliefs. He's told us many times we're
all DEAD anyway. You wouldn't believe some of the things this man has
posted in the past years.
:: If Chris was so incompetent in dealing with reality then his mother
:: should have had him committed.
* I don't know what country you're posting from but you cannot simply have
people committed here in the USA. It's very difficult to say the least.
It's also very expensive and some insurance companies will not cover the
costs. I sounds like you disliked Chris and perhaps had some issues with
him and his posts.
Or at least trashed his computer
:: so he wouldn't have been exposed to Usenet. Nothing in Usenet was
:: helpful
:: to the guy. The internet in general just fed his paranoia. She
:: has
:: no right to blame anyone before and unless she takes a good hard
:: look
:: at herself.
* But we don't know what really went on between him and his mother. We
don't know what she (or his family) tried to do or didn't do. In most
areas of the USA psychotherapy or any therapy for the mentally/emotionally
ill is between $75 to $150 an hour - some places it's even more. Add meds
to that. Some of these newer meds can run into a small fortune. The
support groups here on Usenet aren't the best places for support and I'll
agree with you there - but that may have been all this young man had.
Maybe it was all he or his family could afford (his net service bill).
:: Then again, being the kids mother she no doubt *is* blaming
:: herself.
* This we can't know either...... but it would be expected no matter how
she tried to help her son.
:: Her lashing out at some rather obvious evil figure is only natural
:: I suppose. Not realistic and certainly not helpful, but natural.
* I agree.
--
Justin Kace......
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal ~ (1623-1662)
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07 Aug 2003 05:53:51 PM |
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"Mike Krobes" <BewareEvil@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote in message
news:ElzYa.455$u44.77@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: IOStorm picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
::
:: Jabroil was not cruel to Truthseeker. It was nothing more than the
:: usual Usenet crap that all of us are used to. As bad as it sounds,
:: everything Jabriol said can be taken as rhetorical.
* I don't want to get into a argument with you IOStorm. I have no idea
how
much experience you've had with the mentally ill or what training you've
had
in that area.
That is not the point you lying Witch, you have accused me of killing Chris
Dubose, you been spreading this lie for the last 3 years, you have no
argument with IOstorm.
IOstorm knew Truthseeker, you don't. him and Heather has exposed you for the
lying monster that you are, using a sad situation like Chris suicide to
further and slander a religion that has a internationally good reputation.
Those who are suicidal need KINDNESS and understanding. Can
you imagine if professional therapists spoke to their ill patients like
Jabriol did to Chris?
what did I do to Chris? what evidence do you have, that he read anything I
posted?
Jabbers was dealing with a mentally unbalanced young
man who needed kindness, support and encouragement - not Jabriol's
suggestion that he, "knew what he had to do" i.e. kill himself.
I told him to read the Bible, you know that part that you do noy include in
your cut and paste.
People who
are more stable than Chris was could easily handle sociopathic sadists
like
Jabbers, Chris was much more vulnerable to suggestion and rejection.
Like you knew him. you can't even prove he read my post eh?
Surely
you can set your personal feelings about Chris aside, and understand
this.
Understand what? that is ok to lie, to be able slander and lie about others?
Not even truthseeker would stoop so low..
:::: As for Chris's mother... frankly she had it coming. Jumping into
:: Usenet and spreading messages that accuse a person of murder is
:: bound
:: to garner ill will.
* She had Jabriol's tormenting and gruesome descriptions of her son's
suicide coming to her?
yup.. for aperson who claims she worked as an EMT, you should be used to
deathscene..
what Cynthia reall has comming to her is a law suit for spreading a lie.
The descrioption of her son suicide should be enough, and also serves as a
deterrent for other people to do the same..
This mother was distraught and upset. What mother
wouldn't be? Was ghoulish insults and tormenting posts supposed to help
her?
And yet you use her misery to spread lies and slander about JW's what a low
worm you are.. no wonder husband whomp you in the noggin.
:: Jabriol is an ***** who spends his time flaming and degrading
:: others while waiting for that great eternal 144,000 man daisy
:: chain in the
:: sky. But he isn't a murderer.
* Jabriol would gladly "off" as he calls it, all the people who reject
the
teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses, if he could get away with it.
Another lie, now you are saying JW's enjoy killing people..have you no
shame?
nope Liars and slanderer don't.
He
uses the old testament to back his beliefs. He's told us many times we're
all DEAD anyway. You wouldn't believe some of the things this man has
posted in the past years.
Eaactly and after the vivid demostration that you are a liar, nobody will
ever believe you, even your arjw croonies know, that you have gone to far
and are silent on the matter.
No matter what you believe I wrote you have no right to accuse me or any JW
of Chris Dubose death, knowing full well it is all a lie and false.
:: If Chris was so incompetent in dealing with reality then his mother
:: should have had him committed.
* I don't know what country you're posting from but you cannot simply
have
people committed here in the USA.
tough
It's very difficult to say the least.
It's also very expensive and some insurance companies will not cover the
costs.
tough
I sounds like you disliked Chris and perhaps had some issues with
him and his posts.
So are you now going to say that IOstorm killed Truthseeker?
Or at least trashed his computer
:: so he wouldn't have been exposed to Usenet. Nothing in Usenet was
:: helpful
:: to the guy. The internet in general just fed his paranoia. She
:: has
:: no right to blame anyone before and unless she takes a good hard
:: look
:: at herself.
* But we don't know what really went on between him and his mother.
As You do not know if Chris read my one post or not.
We
don't know what she (or his family) tried to do or didn't do. In most
areas of the USA psychotherapy or any therapy for the mentally/emotionally
ill is between $75 to $150 an hour - some places it's even more. Add
meds
to that. Some of these newer meds can run into a small fortune. The
support groups here on Usenet aren't the best places for support and I'll
agree with you there - but that may have been all this young man had.
Maybe it was all he or his family could afford (his net service bill).
Carol, all of the above has nothing do, nor justify you lying about me
killing Chris.
:: Then again, being the kids mother she no doubt *is* blaming
:: herself.
* This we can't know either...... but it would be expected no matter how
she tried to help her son.
:: Her lashing out at some rather obvious evil figure is only natural
:: I suppose. Not realistic and certainly not helpful, but natural.
* I agree.
You agree that you are lying?
good !!!
--
Justin Kace......
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal ~ (1623-1662)
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:31:55 -0500, "Mike Krobes"
<BewareEvil@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote:
* I don't want to get into a argument with you IOStorm. I have no idea how
much experience you've had with the mentally ill or what training you've had
in that area. Those who are suicidal need KINDNESS and understanding. Can
you imagine if professional therapists spoke to their ill patients like
Jabriol did to Chris? Jabbers was dealing with a mentally unbalanced young
man who needed kindness, support and encouragement - not Jabriol's
suggestion that he, "knew what he had to do" i.e. kill himself. People who
are more stable than Chris was could easily handle sociopathic sadists like
Jabbers, Chris was much more vulnerable to suggestion and rejection. Surely
you can set your personal feelings about Chris aside, and understand this.
All that I can understand about it is this: if Chris was incompetent,
he should have been locked up.
* She had Jabriol's tormenting and gruesome descriptions of her son's
suicide coming to her? This mother was distraught and upset. What mother
wouldn't be? Was ghoulish insults and tormenting posts supposed to help
her?
I wouldn't be interested in helping someone who accused me of murder.
She seems every bit as unbalanced as her son was.
* Jabriol would gladly "off" as he calls it, all the people who reject the
teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses, if he could get away with it. He
uses the old testament to back his beliefs. He's told us many times we're
all DEAD anyway. You wouldn't believe some of the things this man has
posted in the past years.
I've *witnessed* the things this man has said over the past years.
That is what you have to understand. We all didn't get computers
yesterday; many of us have been around for a while and feel that your
constant harping on Jabriol is just as annoying as Jabbers himself is.
* I don't know what country you're posting from but you cannot simply have
people committed here in the USA. It's very difficult to say the least.
It isn't difficult at all. In much of the U.S. all it takes is one
family member and a medical professional (or cop) to get someone
locked up for 72 hours, at which point they have to go before a judge.
Copies of Chris' posts would have been sufficient evidence to commit
the guy.
If you had any experience with the mentally ill you'd know that the
most often heard complaint along these lines is that it is *too* easy
to lock someone up.
It's also very expensive and some insurance companies will not cover the
costs. I sounds like you disliked Chris and perhaps had some issues with
him and his posts.
Disliked? No. Pitied, yes. Like you, he was constantly beating dead
horses and posting every detail.
* But we don't know what really went on between him and his mother. We
don't know what she (or his family) tried to do or didn't do. In most
areas of the USA psychotherapy or any therapy for the mentally/emotionally
ill is between $75 to $150 an hour - some places it's even more. Add meds
to that. Some of these newer meds can run into a small fortune. The
support groups here on Usenet aren't the best places for support and I'll
agree with you there - but that may have been all this young man had.
Maybe it was all he or his family could afford (his net service bill).
Oh cry me a river. None of this serves to answer why you can't find
another hobby other than chasing Jabriol around and letting all of us
in on it.
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| User: "jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: Is Truthseeker dead because of a Jehovah Witness - Committing people in the USA |
07 Aug 2003 08:47:48 PM |
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Go IO, clap! Go IO, clap! Go IO, clap!
little football victory shuffle go here :-)
I guess Carol was lying about her "background " again..
Carol has no shame..
"IOStorm" <noemail@noemail.net> wrote in message
news:6ts5jv8btl2p8d1bg3ar85r550jgn1a9pg@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:31:55 -0500, "Mike Krobes"
<BewareEvil@TheKlingdomHells.net> wrote:
* I don't want to get into a argument with you IOStorm. I have no idea
how
much experience you've had with the mentally ill or what training you've
had
in that area. Those who are suicidal need KINDNESS and understanding.
Can
you imagine if professional therapists spoke to their ill patients like
Jabriol did to Chris? Jabbers was dealing with a mentally unbalanced
young
man who needed kindness, support and encouragement - not Jabriol's
suggestion that he, "knew what he had to do" i.e. kill himself. People
who
are more stable than Chris was could easily handle sociopathic sadists
like
Jabbers, Chris was much more vulnerable to suggestion and rejection.
Surely
you can set your personal feelings about Chris aside, and understand
this.
All that I can understand about it is this: if Chris was incompetent,
he should have been locked up.
* She had Jabriol's tormenting and gruesome descriptions of her son's
suicide coming to her? This mother was distraught and upset. What
mother
wouldn't be? Was ghoulish insults and tormenting posts supposed to help
her?
I wouldn't be interested in helping someone who accused me of murder.
She seems every bit as unbalanced as her son was.
* Jabriol would gladly "off" as he calls it, all the people who reject
the
teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses, if he could get away with it. He
uses the old testament to back his beliefs. He's told us many times
we're
all DEAD anyway. You wouldn't believe some of the things this man has
posted in the past years.
I've *witnessed* the things this man has said over the past years.
That is what you have to understand. We all didn't get computers
yesterday; many of us have been around for a while and feel that your
constant harping on Jabriol is just as annoying as Jabbers himself is.
* I don't know what country you're posting from but you cannot simply
have
people committed here in the USA. It's very difficult to say the least.
It isn't difficult at all. In much of the U.S. all it takes is one
family member and a medical professional (or cop) to get someone
locked up for 72 hours, at which point they have to go before a judge.
Copies of Chris' posts would have been sufficient evidence to commit
the guy.
If you had any experience with the mentally ill you'd know that the
most often heard complaint along these lines is that it is *too* easy
to lock someone up.
It's also very expensive and some insurance companies will not cover the
costs. I sounds like you disliked Chris and perhaps had some issues with
him and his posts.
Disliked? No. Pitied, yes. Like you, he was constantly beating dead
horses and posting every detail.
* But we don't know what really went on between him and his mother. We
don't know what she (or his family) tried to do or didn't do. In most
areas of the USA psychotherapy or any therapy for the
mentally/emotionally
ill is between $75 to $150 an hour - some places it's even more. Add
meds
to that. Some of these newer meds can run into a small fortune. The
support groups here on Usenet aren't the best places for support and I'll
agree with you there - but that may have been all this young man had.
Maybe it was all he or his family could afford (his net service bill).
Oh cry me a river. None of this serves to answer why you can't find
another hobby other than chasing Jabriol around and letting all of us
in on it.
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| User: "Justin Kase" |
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| Title: Re: Is Truthseeker dead because of a Jehovah Witness - Committing people in the USA |
07 Aug 2003 09:24:50 PM |
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In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: IOStorm picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
::
:: All that I can understand about it is this: if Chris was
:: incompetent,
:: he should have been locked up.
** I agree but again, you can't just have someone committed because you
feel they're "incompetent" or thinking of suicide.
: I wouldn't be interested in helping someone who accused me of
:: murder.
:: She seems every bit as unbalanced as her son was.
** I didn't say he should help her. He could have ignored her if he, or
anyone else felt she was also unbalanced. Gruesome descriptions were only
meant to HURT and do harm to an already suffering and possibly also
unbalanced woman. You seem to have no compassion at all for these people.
:: I've *witnessed* the things this man has said over the past years.
:: That is what you have to understand. We all didn't get computers
:: yesterday; many of us have been around for a while and feel that
:: your constant harping on Jabriol is just as annoying as Jabbers
:: himself is.
** We can all be killfiled, including Jabriol who harps on anyone who
disagrees with him where creation/evolution is concerned.
::: * I don't know what country you're posting from but you cannot
::: simply have people committed here in the USA. It's very
::: difficult to say the least.
::
:: It isn't difficult at all. In much of the U.S. all it takes is one
:: family member and a medical professional (or cop) to get someone
:: locked up for 72 hours, at which point they have to go before a
:: judge.
** And they are almost always let go unless they're a "clear danger" to
themselves or others. Few come across that way and they are released. The
mentally ill have rights these days. Very, very few are held or sent to a
mental health facility. Even then they are quickly released, especially if
they don't have good health insurance.
Copies of Chris' posts would have been sufficient evidence
:: to commit
:: the guy.
** And I assume you knew his mother and others in his family had access to
his posts. They, along with a medical Dr. may have been enough to at least
get him off the street for 2 weeks observation and onto meds.
:: If you had any experience with the mentally ill you'd know that the
:: most often heard complaint along these lines is that it is *too*
:: easy
:: to lock someone up.
** No, it's too HARD to get them committed here in the USA. I had 10 years
experience volunteering with the mentally ill. I saw some really sick
people walk the streets of NYC because their family couldn't get anything
done to help them. They have RIGHTS now and you can't just get a Dr's slip
and have them "put away" like you could many years ago.
:: Oh cry me a river.
** This shows real compassion for the mentally ill.
None of this serves to answer why you can't
:: find
:: another hobby other than chasing Jabriol around and letting all of
:: us
:: in on it.
** And your hobby is getting on usenet for the purpose of helping the
people on the alt.support NGs I suppose. Well good luck!
Justin Kace......
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal ~ (1623-1662)
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