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"Alan" |
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31 Mar 2006 04:10:35 AM |
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Wellbutrin alternatives? |
Wellbutrin is not licenced in the UK for the treatment of depression.
This seems like a shame because, from what I can gather, it appears to
have fewer sexual side-effects and also avoids the tendency towards
weight gain seen in the SSRIs sometimes. These are the two main
downsides of SSRIs for me.
Are there any alternative antidepressants which share the benefits of
Wellbutrin? I could then investigate their availability in the UK.
Thanks.
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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| Title: Re: Wellbutrin alternatives? |
31 Mar 2006 10:37:57 PM |
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"Alan" <kipper_fillet@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1143799835.084261.112640@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Wellbutrin is not licenced in the UK for the treatment of
depression.
This seems like a shame because, from what I can gather, it appears
to
have fewer sexual side-effects and also avoids the tendency towards
weight gain seen in the SSRIs sometimes. These are the two main
downsides of SSRIs for me.
Are there any alternative antidepressants which share the benefits
of
Wellbutrin? I could then investigate their availability in the UK.
Thanks.
Wellbutrin strongly inhibits reuptake of norepinephrine, and weakly
inhibits reuptake of dopamine. So another drug, or combination, that
increases the concentrations of these neurotransmitters would be (very
roughly) comparable. Here are some options:
Selegiline: Strongly increases norepinephrine and dopamine
concentrations.
Strattera or Edronax, to increase norepinephrine + any dopamine
agonist (cabergoline, bromocriptine, pramipexole, etc.) to simulate
higher higher dopamine concentrations.
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Wellbutrin alternatives? |
31 Mar 2006 06:02:31 AM |
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Effexor and Cymbalta are the only ones that come close that I can think
of. Except they not only work on norepenephrine(and dopamine?) like
Wellbutrin, but also work on serotonin. So you can still get some of
those ssri type side effects. But I would guess that they probably
wouldn't be as bad since they work on the other neurotransmitters as
well....and serotonin is not their main focus.
In the meantime you could look into DL-Phenalalynine (also called
DLPA). It is an amino acid that you can get at your local vitamin
store. It doesn't have quite the ooomph of Wellbutrin, but works on
identical neurotransmitters. Having tried both Wellbutrin and DLPA,
for me they behaved quite similar and actually increased my sex
drive...however the DLPA being more mild/subtle.
Of course I wouldn't substitute this for a prescription med, but I'd
say it's worth trying. It's the only over-the-counter remedy that I
could actually feel working, and it definitely helped the sex drive.
However as they say, "you're mileage may vary". Maybe someone else
here knows about some other meds. Good luck
Alan wrote:
Wellbutrin is not licenced in the UK for the treatment of depression.
This seems like a shame because, from what I can gather, it appears to
have fewer sexual side-effects and also avoids the tendency towards
weight gain seen in the SSRIs sometimes. These are the two main
downsides of SSRIs for me.
Are there any alternative antidepressants which share the benefits of
Wellbutrin? I could then investigate their availability in the UK.
Thanks.
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| User: "3we45dfjh35rf" |
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| Title: Re: Wellbutrin alternatives? |
01 Apr 2006 08:58:23 PM |
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I searched on google:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-US&q=wellbutrin+death&meta=
and the results:
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,450,000 for wellbutrin death.
what do you like to do? what is your favourite sport ? do it now! you
will get much better really fast :)
good luck
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| User: "Harry" |
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02 Apr 2006 02:20:49 PM |
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Wellbutrin been very good to me.
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| User: "Lyndon" |
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31 Mar 2006 12:44:17 PM |
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In article <1143799835.084261.112640@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
Alan <kipper_fillet@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Wellbutrin is not licenced in the UK for the treatment of depression.
Is there any chance of it being prescribed off-label? In the States
they did that pretty often with Lamictal before it was approved in
mid-2003.
--
"A friend is someone, who upon seeing another friend in immense pain, would
rather be the one experiencing the pain than to have to watch their friend
suffer." -- Amanda Grier
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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31 Mar 2006 06:02:14 PM |
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:44:17 -0500, Lyndon
<avram_williams@spam.verizon.net> wrote:
In article <1143799835.084261.112640@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
Alan <kipper_fillet@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Wellbutrin is not licenced in the UK for the treatment of depression.
Is there any chance of it being prescribed off-label? In the States
they did that pretty often with Lamictal before it was approved in
mid-2003.
I could be wrong, but I think he meant that Wellbutrin has not been
approved for any use in the U.K., by whatever the U.K. version of the FDA
is.
Of course in America, you do have the right to import non-FDA approved
medications provided you have an American doctor's prescription and the
amount is clearly for personal use.
Be that as it may, U.S. Customs is a law unto itself, so getting your
package may be a chore at times.
If I can think of a way of packaging a prescription in a manner that
English customs wouldn't readily detect, I'd be more than happy to ship the
stuff over there.
Not that FDA-like organizations are useless - they did protect us from the
Thalidomide disaster that befell Canada after all. But really, if we
started sharing medical knowledge more we might find some more helpful
treatments sooner.
I'd like some pharmaceutical standard GHB from France if I could get it.
Moclobimide is another drug that seemed to hold fascinating possibilities,
but was never approved in the U.S.
There was another drug, I forget the name, that held a lot of promise as an
anti-depressant, but was found to cause the odd side-effect of making some
people orgasm every time they sneezed. I'd like to give that a shot also,
for more reasons than one obviously. ;)
--
Author's Note: No electrons were harmed in the creation of this post.
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| User: "Lyndon" |
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31 Mar 2006 10:46:45 PM |
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In article <m0gr221h0rr4gd90lfta281se61jv7efj8@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
There was another drug, I forget the name, that held a lot of promise as an
anti-depressant, but was found to cause the odd side-effect of making some
people orgasm every time they sneezed. I'd like to give that a shot also,
for more reasons than one obviously. ;)
For once, you'd be able to enjoy getting a cold.
Oh my... think of the people with hayfever or pollen allergies. O.o
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"A friend is someone, who upon seeing another friend in immense pain, would
rather be the one experiencing the pain than to have to watch their friend
suffer." -- Amanda Grier
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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31 Mar 2006 10:08:46 AM |
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On 31 Mar 2006 02:10:35 -0800, "Alan" <kipper_fillet@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Wellbutrin is not licenced in the UK for the treatment of depression.
This seems like a shame because, from what I can gather, it appears to
have fewer sexual side-effects and also avoids the tendency towards
weight gain seen in the SSRIs sometimes. These are the two main
downsides of SSRIs for me.
Are there any alternative antidepressants which share the benefits of
Wellbutrin? I could then investigate their availability in the UK.
Effexor, Remeron? Not precisely the same, but they are also relatively new
era AD's.
Wellbutrin made me a raving lunatic. Overwhelming anger and irritability.
From what I gather, that is due to the action it has in boosting
norepinephrine.
--
OATH, n. In law, a solemn appeal to the Deity, made binding upon the
conscience by a penalty for perjury.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "" |
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31 Mar 2006 10:45:39 AM |
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It made me a raving lunatic too. It's supposedly the best AD for use
with Bipolar people because it's the least "destabilizing" but for me
the inverse was true. Screaming, picking fights with people I knew and
didn't know, having no ability to keep my temper, deciding that
everyone was out to get me. . . oh, and have I mentioned screaming?
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| User: "Colleen" |
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| Title: Re: Wellbutrin alternatives? |
31 Mar 2006 06:33:17 AM |
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That is too bad. For me it's a great med and I have loads and loads of
problems with meds. Can you get Zyban there? It a lower dose of Wellbutrin
used to help people quit smoking.
c
"Alan" <kipper_fillet@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1143799835.084261.112640@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Wellbutrin is not licenced in the UK for the treatment of depression.
This seems like a shame because, from what I can gather, it appears to
have fewer sexual side-effects and also avoids the tendency towards
weight gain seen in the SSRIs sometimes. These are the two main
downsides of SSRIs for me.
Are there any alternative antidepressants which share the benefits of
Wellbutrin? I could then investigate their availability in the UK.
Thanks.
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| User: "Alan" |
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31 Mar 2006 07:31:29 AM |
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Yes, Zyban is available to help people stop smoking - but I think it
would be hard to persuade a doctor to prescribe it "off label",
unfortunately.
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| User: "David" |
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31 Mar 2006 07:22:19 AM |
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There are those that contain Norephenifrine, including Effexor,
Cymbalta, Remeron / Mirtazapine), Pamalar & Nortryptaline, and
Strattera. There are also the older Trycilclics that could be helpful
for sleep. It would be helpful to find one that's available in your
area.
This is true, for me anyway.
Alan wrote:
Wellbutrin is not licenced in the UK for the treatment of depression.
This seems like a shame because, from what I can gather, it appears to
have fewer sexual side-effects and also avoids the tendency towards
weight gain seen in the SSRIs sometimes. These are the two main
downsides of SSRIs for me.
Are there any alternative antidepressants which share the benefits of
Wellbutrin? I could then investigate their availability in the UK.
Thanks.
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| User: "www.info.learndepression.com" |
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31 Mar 2006 10:09:30 AM |
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I really liked wellbutrim, till I couln't sleep anymore
nowadays I am on Effexor, and I have to say I DOES work!
Good luck to you!
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| User: "Rev. 11D Meow!" |
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03 Apr 2006 11:03:36 PM |
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Wellbutrin doesn't do *****.
Probably why it isn't used in the UK, that fact is.
"Benefits of Wellbutrin, aka bupropion?"
Name one.
"Alan" <kipper_fillet@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1143799835.084261.112640@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Wellbutrin is not licenced in the UK for the treatment of depression.
This seems like a shame because, from what I can gather, it appears to
have fewer sexual side-effects and also avoids the tendency towards
weight gain seen in the SSRIs sometimes. These are the two main
downsides of SSRIs for me.
Are there any alternative antidepressants which share the benefits of
Wellbutrin? I could then investigate their availability in the UK.
Thanks.
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| User: "Roger" |
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04 Apr 2006 07:53:15 PM |
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yes it dpes but I am wary of long term use.More coffee might do just as
well
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| User: "fotoldy" |
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05 Apr 2006 06:34:31 PM |
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I liked Wellbutrin also, but I gained weight on it. My pdoc switched me
to Lexapro and I've been doing very well on it with no sexual problems.
I think a lot of that has to do with how often you have sex too. If you
don't use it you lose it.
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| User: "Matt" |
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08 Apr 2006 08:45:57 AM |
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I went totally manic on Wellbutrin. The highest I've ever been. I am
very sensitive to norepinephrine/dopamine. Amazingly I do very well on
ssri's. I've even taken them alone without a stabilizer and have been
pretty much fine. They help my anxiey a lot. They even stabilize me a
little...but not as much as needed, so I will continue to search for a
proper stabilizer. But I have to take ssri's for my
obsessive(bordering OCD) anxiety. Prozac and Zoloft are the only ones
that haven't destroyed my sex life. They delay climax a little, but
that is a good thing, plus they increase intensity of climax. Another
YMMV thing.
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| User: "Hexe" |
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02 Apr 2006 12:25:28 AM |
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don't remember much about side-effects from the ADs i took except that
Elavil made me fat and i tried to kill myself when i stopped taking
Prozac.
can't speak for its sexual side-effects as i no longer have a libido but
Cipralex seems to be trying to work for me. trying - as in i don't feel
the weight of depression but still haven't managed to get off my ***** and
kick the habits of life-long depression.
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:Hexe
:Thought for the journey:
Did you know there is a page 666 in The Bible?
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