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"Hap Arnold" |
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30 Sep 2004 10:47:50 AM |
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What comes of having the best medical system in the world? |
Because my middle daughter was born pre-mature several years ago my wife's
pregnancy able to be classified as 'high-risk' by my wife's OB. As a
high-risk pregnancy my wife was allowed (by Blue Cross/Blue Sheild) level-2
sonograms(ultrasound) every 6 weeks instead of just one or two during the
pregnancy. Because problems discovered in sonograms justify follow-ups with
more sonograms my wife had three sonograms in the last two weeks of her
pregnancy with my youngest daughter.
In just the very last one of all the exams the nurse discovered enlarged
ventricles in the brain of my daughter. The enlargement was not enough to
classify as a problem, but it was noted for follow-up. The day after
delivery my daughter's head was ultrasounded to verify the diagnosis. In
less than a week we had seen a pediatric neurosurgeon for an evaluation.
One week later we had another sonogram done, this one showing an increasing
swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was done on her head
revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48 hours she will be having brain
surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
The swelling of the brain was not detectable by a regular pediatric exam.
[Which she also had.] Her head has not yet swollen. She has not shown any
symptoms of excess cranial pressure, like eye problems, bowel problems,
fussy eating, nausea, irritability, sudden sleepiness etc.
In what other country would my daughter have had access to ultrasound and
mri without waiting weeks for availability? In what other country would a
subspecialist with over 1000 pediatric hydrocephalus surgeries have been
available within one day of delivery? In what other country could brain
surgery be laid on for a Friday when a case presented on a Tuesday with no
symptoms? for $250.00?
Free Enterprise Saves Lives.
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| User: "DaKitty" |
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30 Sep 2004 09:15:13 PM |
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"Hap Arnold" <hap.arnold@cox.net> wrote in message
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Because my middle daughter was born pre-mature several years ago my wife's
pregnancy able to be classified as 'high-risk' by my wife's OB. As a
high-risk pregnancy my wife was allowed (by Blue Cross/Blue Sheild)
level-2
sonograms(ultrasound) every 6 weeks instead of just one or two during the
pregnancy. Because problems discovered in sonograms justify follow-ups
with
more sonograms my wife had three sonograms in the last two weeks of her
pregnancy with my youngest daughter.
In just the very last one of all the exams the nurse discovered enlarged
ventricles in the brain of my daughter. The enlargement was not enough to
classify as a problem, but it was noted for follow-up. The day after
delivery my daughter's head was ultrasounded to verify the diagnosis. In
less than a week we had seen a pediatric neurosurgeon for an evaluation.
One week later we had another sonogram done, this one showing an
increasing
swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was done on her head
revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48 hours she will be having brain
surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
The swelling of the brain was not detectable by a regular pediatric exam.
[Which she also had.] Her head has not yet swollen. She has not shown
any
symptoms of excess cranial pressure, like eye problems, bowel problems,
fussy eating, nausea, irritability, sudden sleepiness etc.
In what other country would my daughter have had access to ultrasound and
mri without waiting weeks for availability? In what other country would a
subspecialist with over 1000 pediatric hydrocephalus surgeries have been
available within one day of delivery? In what other country could brain
surgery be laid on for a Friday when a case presented on a Tuesday with no
symptoms? for $250.00?
Free Enterprise Saves Lives.
--
E Sempre l'Ora
Awesome!
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| User: "Luna" |
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30 Sep 2004 06:23:47 PM |
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"Hap Arnold" <hap.arnold@cox.net> wrote in message
news:uXV6d.3760$ek.1605@okepread03...
Because my middle daughter was born pre-mature several years ago my wife's
pregnancy able to be classified as 'high-risk' by my wife's OB. As a
high-risk pregnancy my wife was allowed (by Blue Cross/Blue Sheild) level-2
sonograms(ultrasound) every 6 weeks instead of just one or two during the
pregnancy. Because problems discovered in sonograms justify follow-ups with
more sonograms my wife had three sonograms in the last two weeks of her
pregnancy with my youngest daughter.
In just the very last one of all the exams the nurse discovered enlarged
ventricles in the brain of my daughter. The enlargement was not enough to
classify as a problem, but it was noted for follow-up. The day after
delivery my daughter's head was ultrasounded to verify the diagnosis. In
less than a week we had seen a pediatric neurosurgeon for an evaluation.
One week later we had another sonogram done, this one showing an increasing
swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was done on her head
revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48 hours she will be having brain
surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
The swelling of the brain was not detectable by a regular pediatric exam.
[Which she also had.] Her head has not yet swollen. She has not shown any
symptoms of excess cranial pressure, like eye problems, bowel problems,
fussy eating, nausea, irritability, sudden sleepiness etc.
In what other country would my daughter have had access to ultrasound and
mri without waiting weeks for availability? In what other country would a
subspecialist with over 1000 pediatric hydrocephalus surgeries have been
available within one day of delivery? In what other country could brain
surgery be laid on for a Friday when a case presented on a Tuesday with no
symptoms? for $250.00?
Free Enterprise Saves Lives.
Yeah, here in Canada they've started up private mri clinics because of the long
waits. Definitely you have a higher quality of care in the States. Why is
there such a high infant mortality rate though? Is it simply lack of insurance
for some or are there other factors?
Two tier system is inevitable for Canada.
Jean
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| User: "Hap Arnold" |
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01 Oct 2004 03:17:20 PM |
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"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2s3is5F1gil62U1@uni-berlin.de...
"Hap Arnold" <hap.arnold@cox.net> wrote in message
news:uXV6d.3760$ek.1605@okepread03...
Because my middle daughter was born pre-mature several years ago my
wife's
pregnancy able to be classified as 'high-risk' by my wife's OB. As a
high-risk pregnancy my wife was allowed (by Blue Cross/Blue Sheild)
level-2
sonograms(ultrasound) every 6 weeks instead of just one or two during
the
pregnancy. Because problems discovered in sonograms justify follow-ups
with
more sonograms my wife had three sonograms in the last two weeks of her
pregnancy with my youngest daughter.
In just the very last one of all the exams the nurse discovered enlarged
ventricles in the brain of my daughter. The enlargement was not enough
to
classify as a problem, but it was noted for follow-up. The day after
delivery my daughter's head was ultrasounded to verify the diagnosis.
In
less than a week we had seen a pediatric neurosurgeon for an evaluation.
One week later we had another sonogram done, this one showing an
increasing
swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was done on her head
revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48 hours she will be having
brain
surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
The swelling of the brain was not detectable by a regular pediatric
exam.
[Which she also had.] Her head has not yet swollen. She has not shown
any
symptoms of excess cranial pressure, like eye problems, bowel problems,
fussy eating, nausea, irritability, sudden sleepiness etc.
In what other country would my daughter have had access to ultrasound
and
mri without waiting weeks for availability? In what other country would
a
subspecialist with over 1000 pediatric hydrocephalus surgeries have been
available within one day of delivery? In what other country could brain
surgery be laid on for a Friday when a case presented on a Tuesday with
no
symptoms? for $250.00?
Free Enterprise Saves Lives.
Yeah, here in Canada they've started up private mri clinics because of the
long
waits. Definitely you have a higher quality of care in the States. Why
is
there such a high infant mortality rate though? Is it simply lack of
insurance
for some or are there other factors?
Infant mortality? better minds than mine have tried to do that one. HMO's
started out rationing prenatal care but only later found out that was not
cost effective. Americans are more likely to be far away from extended
family. In some places illegals are afraid to go to the hospital or lie
about their names and medical histories. Doctors have to treat patients
without speaking the same language? Drug and alcohol use? Pressure to
work outside the home during and after pregnancy? Social pressure to say
youre breast feeding causes you not to get needed information about how to
use formula?
Hospital care is available without regard to ability to pay from any
hospital that takes Federal money, especially not for profit or charity
hospitals. It would be one thing to lose your federal grants, but to lose
your tax exempt status would be unthinkable-- no more private grants, no
more tax breaks on your own business money, yikes!
Unfortunately in low income areas the crowd pushes the facilities to the
edge of functional ability. Wash.DC city ambulances drive trauma victims
without insurance to PrinceGeorge's Cty MD's public hospital because the
only ER in DC's eastern quadrants is run by the city (DC takes ambulance
cases with insurance to DC's hospital). PGHospital treats the poor victims,
but the increasing volume of emergency cases pushes the insured cases (which
help pay for all care) from PG county to adjacent areas for treatment.
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E Sempre l'Ora
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| User: "DaKitty" |
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| Title: Re: What comes of having the best medical system in the world? |
02 Oct 2004 12:19:23 AM |
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"Hap Arnold" <hap.arnold@cox.net> wrote in message
news:n_i7d.4091$ek.71@okepread03...
"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2s3is5F1gil62U1@uni-berlin.de...
"Hap Arnold" <hap.arnold@cox.net> wrote in message
news:uXV6d.3760$ek.1605@okepread03...
Because my middle daughter was born pre-mature several years ago my
wife's
pregnancy able to be classified as 'high-risk' by my wife's OB. As a
high-risk pregnancy my wife was allowed (by Blue Cross/Blue Sheild)
level-2
sonograms(ultrasound) every 6 weeks instead of just one or two during
the
pregnancy. Because problems discovered in sonograms justify
follow-ups
with
more sonograms my wife had three sonograms in the last two weeks of
her
pregnancy with my youngest daughter.
In just the very last one of all the exams the nurse discovered
enlarged
ventricles in the brain of my daughter. The enlargement was not
enough
to
classify as a problem, but it was noted for follow-up. The day after
delivery my daughter's head was ultrasounded to verify the diagnosis.
In
less than a week we had seen a pediatric neurosurgeon for an
evaluation.
One week later we had another sonogram done, this one showing an
increasing
swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was done on her
head
revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48 hours she will be having
brain
surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
The swelling of the brain was not detectable by a regular pediatric
exam.
[Which she also had.] Her head has not yet swollen. She has not
shown
any
symptoms of excess cranial pressure, like eye problems, bowel
problems,
fussy eating, nausea, irritability, sudden sleepiness etc.
In what other country would my daughter have had access to ultrasound
and
mri without waiting weeks for availability? In what other country
would
a
subspecialist with over 1000 pediatric hydrocephalus surgeries have
been
available within one day of delivery? In what other country could
brain
surgery be laid on for a Friday when a case presented on a Tuesday
with
no
symptoms? for $250.00?
Free Enterprise Saves Lives.
Yeah, here in Canada they've started up private mri clinics because of
the
long
waits. Definitely you have a higher quality of care in the States. Why
is
there such a high infant mortality rate though? Is it simply lack of
insurance
for some or are there other factors?
Infant mortality? better minds than mine have tried to do that one.
HMO's
started out rationing prenatal care but only later found out that was not
cost effective. Americans are more likely to be far away from extended
family. In some places illegals are afraid to go to the hospital or lie
about their names and medical histories. Doctors have to treat patients
without speaking the same language? Drug and alcohol use? Pressure to
work outside the home during and after pregnancy? Social pressure to say
youre breast feeding causes you not to get needed information about how to
use formula?
Hospital care is available without regard to ability to pay from any
hospital that takes Federal money, especially not for profit or charity
hospitals. It would be one thing to lose your federal grants, but to lose
your tax exempt status would be unthinkable-- no more private grants, no
more tax breaks on your own business money, yikes!
Unfortunately in low income areas the crowd pushes the facilities to the
edge of functional ability. Wash.DC city ambulances drive trauma victims
without insurance to PrinceGeorge's Cty MD's public hospital because the
only ER in DC's eastern quadrants is run by the city (DC takes ambulance
cases with insurance to DC's hospital). PGHospital treats the poor
victims,
but the increasing volume of emergency cases pushes the insured cases
(which
help pay for all care) from PG county to adjacent areas for treatment.
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E Sempre l'Ora
incidentally, I remember from looking up the charts last night that the DC
infant mortality rate is four times than the national average.
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| User: "Luna" |
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01 Oct 2004 05:20:27 PM |
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"Hap Arnold" <hap.arnold@cox.net> wrote in message
news:n_i7d.4091$ek.71@okepread03...
"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Infant mortality? better minds than mine have tried to do that one. HMO's
started out rationing prenatal care but only later found out that was not
cost effective. Americans are more likely to be far away from extended
family. In some places illegals are afraid to go to the hospital or lie
about their names and medical histories. Doctors have to treat patients
without speaking the same language? Drug and alcohol use? Pressure to
work outside the home during and after pregnancy? Social pressure to say
youre breast feeding causes you not to get needed information about how to
use formula?
All of those reasons make sense but here in Canada we have all those things
(except for the illegal immigrant problem in the relative numbers the US of A
does) and our infant mortality rate is far lower.
This discussion actually reminds me of Michael Moore's foray into our country to
find out why the incidence of gun death is so much lower in Canada than it is in
the States - we have just as many guns per capita as you guys do. One of his
theories was that the level of fear in the States is far greater.
Hospital care is available without regard to ability to pay from any
hospital that takes Federal money, especially not for profit or charity
hospitals. It would be one thing to lose your federal grants, but to lose
your tax exempt status would be unthinkable-- no more private grants, no
more tax breaks on your own business money, yikes!
Unfortunately in low income areas the crowd pushes the facilities to the
edge of functional ability. Wash.DC city ambulances drive trauma victims
without insurance to PrinceGeorge's Cty MD's public hospital because the
only ER in DC's eastern quadrants is run by the city (DC takes ambulance
cases with insurance to DC's hospital). PGHospital treats the poor victims,
but the increasing volume of emergency cases pushes the insured cases (which
help pay for all care) from PG county to adjacent areas for treatment.
I have a daughter who was born at 31 weeks - she was in neonatal intensive care
for weeks. I was in the hospital before she was born for about 10 weeks. My
sister had twins born at 29 weeks - they were in neonate for months. Gratis.
One of the twins, Emily, ended up with CP - surgeries and hundreds of hours of
infant stim and physio, all of it completely covered by our national health
insurance.
It's circumstances like this, played out thousands of times, which have
bankrupted our health care system. I'm just glad that our kids were born then,
and not now. You can't get blood out of a stone though - people want all these
incredibly expensive services but scream bloody murder about the taxes they pay.
Jean
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| User: "DaKitty" |
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30 Sep 2004 09:17:29 PM |
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"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2s3is5F1gil62U1@uni-berlin.de...
"Hap Arnold" <hap.arnold@cox.net> wrote in message
news:uXV6d.3760$ek.1605@okepread03...
Because my middle daughter was born pre-mature several years ago my
wife's
pregnancy able to be classified as 'high-risk' by my wife's OB. As a
high-risk pregnancy my wife was allowed (by Blue Cross/Blue Sheild)
level-2
sonograms(ultrasound) every 6 weeks instead of just one or two during
the
pregnancy. Because problems discovered in sonograms justify follow-ups
with
more sonograms my wife had three sonograms in the last two weeks of her
pregnancy with my youngest daughter.
In just the very last one of all the exams the nurse discovered enlarged
ventricles in the brain of my daughter. The enlargement was not enough
to
classify as a problem, but it was noted for follow-up. The day after
delivery my daughter's head was ultrasounded to verify the diagnosis.
In
less than a week we had seen a pediatric neurosurgeon for an evaluation.
One week later we had another sonogram done, this one showing an
increasing
swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was done on her head
revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48 hours she will be having
brain
surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
The swelling of the brain was not detectable by a regular pediatric
exam.
[Which she also had.] Her head has not yet swollen. She has not shown
any
symptoms of excess cranial pressure, like eye problems, bowel problems,
fussy eating, nausea, irritability, sudden sleepiness etc.
In what other country would my daughter have had access to ultrasound
and
mri without waiting weeks for availability? In what other country would
a
subspecialist with over 1000 pediatric hydrocephalus surgeries have been
available within one day of delivery? In what other country could brain
surgery be laid on for a Friday when a case presented on a Tuesday with
no
symptoms? for $250.00?
Free Enterprise Saves Lives.
Yeah, here in Canada they've started up private mri clinics because of the
long
waits. Definitely you have a higher quality of care in the States. Why
is
there such a high infant mortality rate though? Is it simply lack of
insurance
for some or are there other factors?
Two tier system is inevitable for Canada.
Jean
what do you consider high infant mortality rate?
CDC says we have 0.6% or less nationally.
Unfortunately some demographic and socioeconomic groups have the rate as
much as twice as high, 1.4%
more info on: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/pdf/mortality/nvsr52_03t31.pdf
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| User: "DaKitty" |
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30 Sep 2004 10:28:01 PM |
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"DaKitty" <Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote in message
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"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2s3is5F1gil62U1@uni-berlin.de...
what do you consider high infant mortality rate?
CDC says we have 0.6% or less nationally.
Unfortunately some demographic and socioeconomic groups have the rate as
much as twice as high, 1.4%
more info on:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/pdf/mortality/nvsr52_03t31.pdf
okay, I found this interesting:
Infants,all races,both sexes
....All causes ......................27,568 100.0 684.8
1 Congenital malformations,deformations and
chromosomal abnormalities.....(Q00 –Q99)5,513 20.0 136.9
2 Disorders related to short gestation and low
birth weight,not elsewhere
classified ...................(P07)4,410 16.0 109.5
3 Sudden infant death syndrome .......(R95)2,234 8.1 55.5
4 Newborn affected by maternal
complications of pregnancy.........(P01)1,499 5.4 37.2
5 Newborn affected by complications of
placenta,cord and membranes ......(P02)1,018 3.7 25.3
6 Respiratory distress of newborn.......(P22)1,011 3.7 25.1
7 Accidents (unintentional injuries)...(V01 –X59)976 3.5 24.2
8 Bacterial sepsis of newborn .........(P36)696 2.5 17.3
9 Diseases of the circulatory system ...(I00 –I99)622 2.3 15.4
10 Intrauterine hypoxia and birth
asphyxia.................(P20 –P21)534 1.9 13.3
....All other causes .............(Residual)9,055 32.8 224.9
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| User: "Luna" |
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30 Sep 2004 06:25:24 PM |
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"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
Yeah, here in Canada they've started up private mri clinics because of the
long waits. Definitely you have a higher quality of care in the States. Why
is there such a high infant mortality rate though? Is it simply lack of
insurance for some or are there other factors?
Two tier system is inevitable for Canada.
PS
Hope all will be well with your littlest one.
Jean
Jean
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30 Sep 2004 06:40:06 PM |
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"Hap Arnold" <hap.arnold@cox.net> wrote in message news:<uXV6d.3760$ek.1605@okepread03>...
Because my middle daughter was born pre-mature several years ago my wife's
pregnancy able to be classified as 'high-risk' by my wife's OB. As a
high-risk pregnancy my wife was allowed (by Blue Cross/Blue Sheild) level-2
sonograms(ultrasound) every 6 weeks instead of just one or two during the
pregnancy. Because problems discovered in sonograms justify follow-ups with
more sonograms my wife had three sonograms in the last two weeks of her
pregnancy with my youngest daughter.
In just the very last one of all the exams the nurse discovered enlarged
ventricles in the brain of my daughter. The enlargement was not enough to
classify as a problem, but it was noted for follow-up. The day after
delivery my daughter's head was ultrasounded to verify the diagnosis. In
less than a week we had seen a pediatric neurosurgeon for an evaluation.
One week later we had another sonogram done, this one showing an increasing
swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was done on her head
revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48 hours she will be having brain
surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
The swelling of the brain was not detectable by a regular pediatric exam.
[Which she also had.] Her head has not yet swollen. She has not shown any
symptoms of excess cranial pressure, like eye problems, bowel problems,
fussy eating, nausea, irritability, sudden sleepiness etc.
In what other country would my daughter have had access to ultrasound and
mri without waiting weeks for availability? In what other country would a
subspecialist with over 1000 pediatric hydrocephalus surgeries have been
available within one day of delivery? In what other country could brain
surgery be laid on for a Friday when a case presented on a Tuesday with no
symptoms? for $250.00?
Free Enterprise Saves Lives.
I'm sorry that you and your family have to go thorugh this
Hap...All the best wishes to your daughter,I hope she gets well very
soon...
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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30 Sep 2004 06:13:11 PM |
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Hap Arnold wrote...
swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was
done on her head revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48
hours she will be having brain surgery to repair the 'brain
drain'.
best wishes for your daughter, hap.
my father had a similar surgery, needing a ventricular drain,
not long ago and sailed right through. i hope she does as well
as he did.
i'll be thinking of you.
-lisa
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30 Sep 2004 06:41:08 PM |
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On 30 Sep 2004 23:13:11 GMT, "lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote:
Hap Arnold wrote...
swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was
done on her head revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48
hours she will be having brain surgery to repair the 'brain
drain'.
best wishes for your daughter, hap.
my father had a similar surgery, needing a ventricular drain,
not long ago and sailed right through. i hope she does as well
as he did.
i'll be thinking of you.
-lisa
I didn't even know the brain *had* ventricles....
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30 Sep 2004 06:34:25 PM |
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Hap Arnold wrote:
Because my middle daughter was born pre-mature several years ago my wife's
pregnancy able to be classified as 'high-risk' by my wife's OB. As a
high-risk pregnancy my wife was allowed (by Blue Cross/Blue Sheild)
level-2 sonograms(ultrasound) every 6 weeks instead of just one or two
during the
pregnancy. Because problems discovered in sonograms justify follow-ups
with more sonograms my wife had three sonograms in the last two weeks of
her pregnancy with my youngest daughter.
In just the very last one of all the exams the nurse discovered enlarged
ventricles in the brain of my daughter. The enlargement was not enough to
classify as a problem, but it was noted for follow-up. The day after
delivery my daughter's head was ultrasounded to verify the diagnosis. In
less than a week we had seen a pediatric neurosurgeon for an evaluation.
One week later we had another sonogram done, this one showing an
increasing
swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was done on her head
revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48 hours she will be having brain
surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
The swelling of the brain was not detectable by a regular pediatric exam.
[Which she also had.] Her head has not yet swollen. She has not shown
[any
symptoms of excess cranial pressure, like eye problems, bowel problems,
fussy eating, nausea, irritability, sudden sleepiness etc.
In what other country would my daughter have had access to ultrasound and
mri without waiting weeks for availability? In what other country would a
subspecialist with over 1000 pediatric hydrocephalus surgeries have been
available within one day of delivery? In what other country could brain
surgery be laid on for a Friday when a case presented on a Tuesday with no
symptoms? for $250.00?
If you're amoung the 65% who are insured.
--
MYTHOLOGY, n. The body of a primitive people's beliefs concerning its
origin, early history, heroes, deities and so forth, as distinguished from
the true accounts which it invents later.
-Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.
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01 Oct 2004 03:19:22 PM |
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"Velvet Elvis" <gamboltREMOVE@softhomTHIS.com> wrote in message
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Hap Arnold wrote:
Because my middle daughter was born pre-mature several years ago my
wife's
pregnancy able to be classified as 'high-risk' by my wife's OB. As a
high-risk pregnancy my wife was allowed (by Blue Cross/Blue Sheild)
level-2 sonograms(ultrasound) every 6 weeks instead of just one or two
during the
pregnancy. Because problems discovered in sonograms justify follow-ups
with more sonograms my wife had three sonograms in the last two weeks of
her pregnancy with my youngest daughter.
In just the very last one of all the exams the nurse discovered enlarged
ventricles in the brain of my daughter. The enlargement was not enough
to
classify as a problem, but it was noted for follow-up. The day after
delivery my daughter's head was ultrasounded to verify the diagnosis.
In
less than a week we had seen a pediatric neurosurgeon for an evaluation.
One week later we had another sonogram done, this one showing an
increasing
swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was done on her head
revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48 hours she will be having
brain
surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
The swelling of the brain was not detectable by a regular pediatric
exam.
[Which she also had.] Her head has not yet swollen. She has not shown
[any
symptoms of excess cranial pressure, like eye problems, bowel problems,
fussy eating, nausea, irritability, sudden sleepiness etc.
In what other country would my daughter have had access to ultrasound
and
mri without waiting weeks for availability? In what other country would
a
subspecialist with over 1000 pediatric hydrocephalus surgeries have been
available within one day of delivery? In what other country could brain
surgery be laid on for a Friday when a case presented on a Tuesday with
no
symptoms? for $250.00?
If you're amoung the 65% who are insured.
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Insurance is available for everyone. Not having insurance is a choice.
Hospital care is available without regard to ability to pay for everyone.
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| User: "Velvet Elvis" |
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01 Oct 2004 06:01:05 PM |
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Hap Arnold wrote:
Insurance is available for everyone. Not having insurance is a choice.
Hospital care is available without regard to ability to pay for everyone.
You have to have a job and income for that. I have neither. True,
hospitals can't turn you away, but they can trash your credit, garnish your
wages, and force you into bankruptcy. I've been thinking about trying for
SSDI, but I hear that can take years and I keep thinking I'm going to get
better before that.
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MYTHOLOGY, n. The body of a primitive people's beliefs concerning its
origin, early history, heroes, deities and so forth, as distinguished from
the true accounts which it invents later.
-Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.
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| User: "Luna" |
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30 Sep 2004 06:38:38 PM |
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"Velvet Elvis" <gamboltREMOVE@softhomTHIS.com> wrote in message
news:5K07d.5963$ls6.23@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Hap Arnold wrote:
Because my middle daughter was born pre-mature several years ago my wife's
pregnancy able to be classified as 'high-risk' by my wife's OB. As a
high-risk pregnancy my wife was allowed (by Blue Cross/Blue Sheild)
level-2 sonograms(ultrasound) every 6 weeks instead of just one or two
during the
pregnancy. Because problems discovered in sonograms justify follow-ups
with more sonograms my wife had three sonograms in the last two weeks of
her pregnancy with my youngest daughter.
In just the very last one of all the exams the nurse discovered enlarged
ventricles in the brain of my daughter. The enlargement was not enough to
classify as a problem, but it was noted for follow-up. The day after
delivery my daughter's head was ultrasounded to verify the diagnosis. In
less than a week we had seen a pediatric neurosurgeon for an evaluation.
One week later we had another sonogram done, this one showing an
increasing
swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was done on her head
revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48 hours she will be having brain
surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
The swelling of the brain was not detectable by a regular pediatric exam.
[Which she also had.] Her head has not yet swollen. She has not shown
[any
symptoms of excess cranial pressure, like eye problems, bowel problems,
fussy eating, nausea, irritability, sudden sleepiness etc.
In what other country would my daughter have had access to ultrasound and
mri without waiting weeks for availability? In what other country would a
subspecialist with over 1000 pediatric hydrocephalus surgeries have been
available within one day of delivery? In what other country could brain
surgery be laid on for a Friday when a case presented on a Tuesday with no
symptoms? for $250.00?
If you're amoung the 65% who are insured.
Wow, is that it? I'm surprised.
Jean
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MYTHOLOGY, n. The body of a primitive people's beliefs concerning its
origin, early history, heroes, deities and so forth, as distinguished from
the true accounts which it invents later.
-Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.
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| User: "JohnM" |
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30 Sep 2004 02:25:39 PM |
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I'll say a prayer for your baby and you and the rest of family. It's great
that all this was available so quickly.
"Hap Arnold" <hap.arnold@cox.net> wrote in message
news:uXV6d.3760$ek.1605@okepread03...
Because my middle daughter was born pre-mature several years ago my wife's
pregnancy able to be classified as 'high-risk' by my wife's OB. As a
high-risk pregnancy my wife was allowed (by Blue Cross/Blue Sheild)
level-2
sonograms(ultrasound) every 6 weeks instead of just one or two during the
pregnancy. Because problems discovered in sonograms justify follow-ups
with
more sonograms my wife had three sonograms in the last two weeks of her
pregnancy with my youngest daughter.
In just the very last one of all the exams the nurse discovered enlarged
ventricles in the brain of my daughter. The enlargement was not enough to
classify as a problem, but it was noted for follow-up. The day after
delivery my daughter's head was ultrasounded to verify the diagnosis. In
less than a week we had seen a pediatric neurosurgeon for an evaluation.
One week later we had another sonogram done, this one showing an
increasing
swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was done on her head
revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48 hours she will be having brain
surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
The swelling of the brain was not detectable by a regular pediatric exam.
[Which she also had.] Her head has not yet swollen. She has not shown
any
symptoms of excess cranial pressure, like eye problems, bowel problems,
fussy eating, nausea, irritability, sudden sleepiness etc.
In what other country would my daughter have had access to ultrasound and
mri without waiting weeks for availability? In what other country would a
subspecialist with over 1000 pediatric hydrocephalus surgeries have been
available within one day of delivery? In what other country could brain
surgery be laid on for a Friday when a case presented on a Tuesday with no
symptoms? for $250.00?
Free Enterprise Saves Lives.
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| User: "" |
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30 Sep 2004 07:15:50 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:47:50 -0400, "Hap Arnold"
<hap.arnold@cox.net> wrote:
<(((*> Because my middle daughter was born pre-mature several years ago my wife's
<(((*> pregnancy able to be classified as 'high-risk' by my wife's OB. As a
<(((*> high-risk pregnancy my wife was allowed (by Blue Cross/Blue Sheild) level-2
<(((*> sonograms(ultrasound) every 6 weeks instead of just one or two during the
<(((*> pregnancy. Because problems discovered in sonograms justify follow-ups with
<(((*> more sonograms my wife had three sonograms in the last two weeks of her
<(((*> pregnancy with my youngest daughter.
<(((*> In just the very last one of all the exams the nurse discovered enlarged
<(((*> ventricles in the brain of my daughter. The enlargement was not enough to
<(((*> classify as a problem, but it was noted for follow-up. The day after
<(((*> delivery my daughter's head was ultrasounded to verify the diagnosis. In
<(((*> less than a week we had seen a pediatric neurosurgeon for an evaluation.
<(((*> One week later we had another sonogram done, this one showing an increasing
<(((*> swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was done on her head
<(((*> revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48 hours she will be having brain
<(((*> surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
<(((*> The swelling of the brain was not detectable by a regular pediatric exam.
<(((*> [Which she also had.] Her head has not yet swollen. She has not shown any
<(((*> symptoms of excess cranial pressure, like eye problems, bowel problems,
<(((*> fussy eating, nausea, irritability, sudden sleepiness etc.
<(((*> In what other country would my daughter have had access to ultrasound and
<(((*> mri without waiting weeks for availability? In what other country would a
<(((*> subspecialist with over 1000 pediatric hydrocephalus surgeries have been
<(((*> available within one day of delivery? In what other country could brain
<(((*> surgery be laid on for a Friday when a case presented on a Tuesday with no
<(((*> symptoms? for $250.00?
Canada?
<(((*> Free Enterprise Saves Lives.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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| User: "Hap Arnold" |
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01 Oct 2004 03:21:02 PM |
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<waitingforgodot@samuel.beckett> wrote in message
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Canada?
sadly no.
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| User: "" |
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01 Oct 2004 06:51:24 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:21:02 -0400, "Hap Arnold"
<hap.arnold@cox.net> wrote:
<(((*> <waitingforgodot@samuel.beckett> wrote in message
<(((*> news:pc8pl0ls2lnihb1alg3vorbdesor0m9r7f@4ax.com...
<(((*>
<(((*> >
<(((*> > Canada?
<(((*> >
<(((*>
<(((*>
<(((*> sadly no.
You speak from experience?
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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| User: "wombn" |
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30 Sep 2004 03:03:05 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:47:50 -0400, "Hap Arnold" <hap.arnold@cox.net>
wrote:
Within 48 hours she will be having brain
surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
<keeping fingers crossed!>
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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01 Oct 2004 04:33:21 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:47:50 -0400, Hap Arnold wrote:
snip
Within 48 hours she will be having brain
surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
snip
I hope she recovers quickly, and permanently.
snip
In what other country could brain surgery be laid on for a Friday when a
case presented on a Tuesday with no symptoms? for $250.00?
In this country it would have cost the family nothing. We do have 'at
risk' peri-natal services where appropriate.
Free Enterprise Saves Lives.
Sometimes. If you happen to have the money or the insurance coverage, at
the right moment and in the right place. Just don't become poor and
chronically ill. Have you noticed the occasional posts in ASD from people
who are in debt because of medical bills and are facing eviction and
homelessness as a result? That's 'free enterprise' too. Some people get
no treatment at all for their chronic illnesses, including Depression,
thanks to free enterprise. Which country are those complaints coming from?
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| User: "pannah" |
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30 Sep 2004 11:19:10 AM |
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USA! USA! USA! :)
So sorry to hear your baby is having problems,, I hope this will solve it
for good and she will have a healthy and long life. ((((((((( hap )))))))))
hang in there.
"Hap Arnold" <hap.arnold@cox.net> wrote in message
news:uXV6d.3760$ek.1605@okepread03...
Because my middle daughter was born pre-mature several years ago my wife's
pregnancy able to be classified as 'high-risk' by my wife's OB. As a
high-risk pregnancy my wife was allowed (by Blue Cross/Blue Sheild)
level-2
sonograms(ultrasound) every 6 weeks instead of just one or two during the
pregnancy. Because problems discovered in sonograms justify follow-ups
with
more sonograms my wife had three sonograms in the last two weeks of her
pregnancy with my youngest daughter.
In just the very last one of all the exams the nurse discovered enlarged
ventricles in the brain of my daughter. The enlargement was not enough to
classify as a problem, but it was noted for follow-up. The day after
delivery my daughter's head was ultrasounded to verify the diagnosis. In
less than a week we had seen a pediatric neurosurgeon for an evaluation.
One week later we had another sonogram done, this one showing an
increasing
swelling of the ventricles. Within 24 hours an MRI was done on her head
revealing ventricular stenosis. Within 48 hours she will be having brain
surgery to repair the 'brain drain'.
The swelling of the brain was not detectable by a regular pediatric exam.
[Which she also had.] Her head has not yet swollen. She has not shown
any
symptoms of excess cranial pressure, like eye problems, bowel problems,
fussy eating, nausea, irritability, sudden sleepiness etc.
In what other country would my daughter have had access to ultrasound and
mri without waiting weeks for availability? In what other country would a
subspecialist with over 1000 pediatric hydrocephalus surgeries have been
available within one day of delivery? In what other country could brain
surgery be laid on for a Friday when a case presented on a Tuesday with no
symptoms? for $250.00?
Free Enterprise Saves Lives.
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