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12 Nov 2003 10:28:09 PM |
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What does it mean ..... |
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| User: "old coyote" |
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12 Nov 2003 11:34:45 PM |
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"Hedda" <auzell@earthlink.net> wrote in
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when you have deja vu?
I believe that when one experiences the 'already seen' that one is very
much in tune with one's intuitiveness. I think that we all possess that
power and experience it at different levels and at different times
throughout our lives. I relish those times because it usually means that I
am very much at peace with my surroundings and place in life at that time.
I feel very fortunate, then, indeed.
It has been my experience that I used to ignore the foretelling of events
until they had transpired. It's still difficult for me to trust the vision
and then have the wherewithal to actually do something to *maybe* alter the
course of events.
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| User: "Kirby Cook" |
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| Title: Re: What does it mean ..... |
13 Nov 2003 12:55:28 AM |
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old coyote wrote:
"Hedda" <auzell@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:tLDsb.26994$9M3.15030@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
when you have deja vu?
I believe that when one experiences the 'already seen' that one is very
much in tune with one's intuitiveness. I think that we all possess that
power and experience it at different levels and at different times
throughout our lives. I relish those times because it usually means that I
am very much at peace with my surroundings and place in life at that time.
I feel very fortunate, then, indeed.
It has been my experience that I used to ignore the foretelling of events
until they had transpired. It's still difficult for me to trust the vision
and then have the wherewithal to actually do something to *maybe* alter the
course of events.
<nod> For me, it always takes the form of a suddenly-remembered dream
sequence clicking into precise superposition on what's going on. I've
come to associate those experiences with pivotal points in my life.
Kirby
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| User: "Hedda" |
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13 Nov 2003 08:17:24 AM |
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"Kirby Cook" <kirby_cook@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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old coyote wrote:
"Hedda" <auzell@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:tLDsb.26994$9M3.15030@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
when you have deja vu?
I believe that when one experiences the 'already seen' that one is very
much in tune with one's intuitiveness. I think that we all possess that
power and experience it at different levels and at different times
throughout our lives. I relish those times because it usually means
that I
am very much at peace with my surroundings and place in life at that
time.
I feel very fortunate, then, indeed.
It has been my experience that I used to ignore the foretelling of
events
until they had transpired. It's still difficult for me to trust the
vision
and then have the wherewithal to actually do something to *maybe* alter
the
course of events.
<nod> For me, it always takes the form of a suddenly-remembered dream
sequence clicking into precise superposition on what's going on. I've
come to associate those experiences with pivotal points in my life.
Kirby
i would agree with both of you , my experience is also like a dream
sequence and i also feel that it means i'm living my life the "right way" so
to speak and i do feel at peace although sometimes it seem as the ending
could mean something "bad" to me that is severe change and for a fleeting
moment i feel like i too could change the out come.
when you said Kirby that you associate those experiences with pivotal
points in you life, i had never made that connection until you mentioned it
.. looking back i can see that and it makes prefect since.
see why i ask you all questions... you all so smart in your own way (
with a couple of exceptions) thank you thank you thank you for the insight
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Hedda
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| User: "old coyote" |
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13 Nov 2003 12:58:38 AM |
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Kirby Cook <kirby_cook@yahoo.com> wrote in
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old coyote wrote:
"Hedda" <auzell@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:tLDsb.26994$9M3.15030@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
when you have deja vu?
I believe that when one experiences the 'already seen' that one is
very much in tune with one's intuitiveness. I think that we all
possess that power and experience it at different levels and at
different times throughout our lives. I relish those times because
it usually means that I am very much at peace with my surroundings
and place in life at that time. I feel very fortunate, then, indeed.
It has been my experience that I used to ignore the foretelling of
events until they had transpired. It's still difficult for me to
trust the vision and then have the wherewithal to actually do
something to *maybe* alter the course of events.
<nod> For me, it always takes the form of a suddenly-remembered
dream
sequence clicking into precise superposition on what's going on. I've
come to associate those experiences with pivotal points in my life.
Kirby
Pretty strong medicine, Kirby.
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| User: "Teilhard Knight" |
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12 Nov 2003 11:04:21 PM |
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"Hedda" <auzell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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when you have deja vu?
When you feel you have lived before the moment you are living.
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Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
Change "privacy" for "softhome" if you want to intrude my inbox
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| User: "Stevhan Hartwell" |
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13 Nov 2003 10:15:37 AM |
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"Hedda" <auzell@earthlink.net> wrote in news:tLDsb.26994$9M3.15030
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when you have deja vu?
there are two schools of thought for deja vu that i've heard, which
haven't been posted here in this thread...
1) it is a life memory from a past life. you enter into situations that
seem so real as though you've lived them before. people, places & things
are that familiar as they are. (i'm not so sure i buy this one.) you live
a situation with people / places / environment in one lifetime, then you
relive almost that exact same experience in a diff lifetime.
2) another theory for them - everytime you do something in your life. no
matter how small or large, you dream it before it happens. usually these
dreams are thought of as a precognition of events. therefore you see the
people / places / things as they are today. (faces, clothes worn, general
environemtal factors - you just saw them in a dream, that's why they're
so familiar.)
i personally believe in #2.
stevhan
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| User: "Hedda" |
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13 Nov 2003 11:12:25 AM |
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"Stevhan Hartwell" <stevhanhartwell@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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"Hedda" <auzell@earthlink.net> wrote in news:tLDsb.26994$9M3.15030
@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
when you have deja vu?
there are two schools of thought for deja vu that i've heard, which
haven't been posted here in this thread...
1) it is a life memory from a past life. you enter into situations that
seem so real as though you've lived them before. people, places & things
are that familiar as they are. (i'm not so sure i buy this one.) you live
a situation with people / places / environment in one lifetime, then you
relive almost that exact same experience in a diff lifetime.
2) another theory for them - everytime you do something in your life. no
matter how small or large, you dream it before it happens. usually these
dreams are thought of as a precognition of events. therefore you see the
people / places / things as they are today. (faces, clothes worn, general
environemtal factors - you just saw them in a dream, that's why they're
so familiar.)
i personally believe in #2.
stevhan
that is so cooool . that must be why it seem like a dream sequence... where
did you get this info? i would like to look into it.
thanks Hedda
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| User: "Stevhan Hartwell" |
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13 Nov 2003 12:07:39 PM |
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"Hedda" <auzell@earthlink.net> wrote in
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"Stevhan Hartwell" <stevhanhartwell@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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"Hedda" <auzell@earthlink.net> wrote in news:tLDsb.26994$9M3.15030
@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
when you have deja vu?
there are two schools of thought for deja vu that i've heard, which
haven't been posted here in this thread...
1) it is a life memory from a past life. you enter into situations
that seem so real as though you've lived them before. people, places
& things are that familiar as they are. (i'm not so sure i buy this
one.) you live a situation with people / places / environment in one
lifetime, then you relive almost that exact same experience in a diff
lifetime.
2) another theory for them - everytime you do something in your
life. no matter how small or large, you dream it before it happens.
usually these dreams are thought of as a precognition of events.
therefore you see the people / places / things as they are today.
(faces, clothes worn, general environemtal factors - you just saw
them in a dream, that's why they're so familiar.)
i personally believe in #2.
stevhan
that is so cooool . that must be why it seem like a dream sequence...
where did you get this info? i would like to look into it.
thanks Hedda
i remember reading about it years ago (10-15) but don't remember the
source(s). i know it wasn't just one source. i could look thru some of
the books i have and could let you know. but its gonna take a lil
research.
stevhan
one source was "the holographic universe" by michael talbot. a book on
quantum physics that links science and spirit.
shoot... wishin' i could remember the diff titles that i've read over the
years
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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13 Nov 2003 05:34:52 AM |
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Hedda <auzell@earthlink.net> spake thusly:
when you have deja vu?
deja vu
1. Psychology. The illusion of having already experienced something actually
being experienced for the first time.
2 A. An impression of having seen or experienced something before:
Old-timers watched the stock-market crash with a distinct sense of déjà vu.
2 B. Dull familiarity; monotony: the déjà vu of the tabloid headlines.
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A good summary of my beliefs:
http://www.upci.org/doctrine
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| User: "GlennT" |
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13 Nov 2003 06:36:19 AM |
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Hedda wrote:
when you have deja vu?
you know something, like a window into another dimension of time.
You even know what is going to happen next and it invariably does.
Or at least, that is some people's perception. A most odd experience
as I remember.
GlennT
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| User: "Kirby Cook" |
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12 Nov 2003 11:07:16 PM |
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Hedda wrote:
when you have deja vu?
It's the feeling that you've been there/done that before.
presque vu (French: nearly seen) is the feeling that you are right on
the verge of seeing something.
jamais vu is the feeling, in an ordinarily familiar setting, that you've
never been there/seen that before.
Kirby
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| User: "Hedda" |
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12 Nov 2003 11:20:49 PM |
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"Kirby Cook" <kirby_cook@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hedda wrote:
when you have deja vu?
It's the feeling that you've been there/done that before.
presque vu (French: nearly seen) is the feeling that you are right on
the verge of seeing something.
jamais vu is the feeling, in an ordinarily familiar setting, that you've
never been there/seen that before.
Kirby
ok let me rephrase the question ... i had Deja Vu twice today , what does
that mean?
( i know what the word means what significance does it have ?)
Hedda
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| User: "Me Again" |
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13 Nov 2003 12:00:11 PM |
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"Hedda" <auzell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Kirby Cook" <kirby_cook@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hedda wrote:
when you have deja vu?
It's the feeling that you've been there/done that before.
presque vu (French: nearly seen) is the feeling that you are right on
the verge of seeing something.
jamais vu is the feeling, in an ordinarily familiar setting, that you've
never been there/seen that before.
Kirby
ok let me rephrase the question ... i had Deja Vu twice today , what does
that mean?
( i know what the word means what significance does it have ?)
Hedda
I read in a book some twenty years ago ("How the Brain Works") that Deja Vu
has to do with a kind of memory "loop." The gist of the theory was that we
have a sort of 5-15 second memory loop that processes our thoughts and
senses. Anything deemed "important" is then filed in a more permanent
location.
Anyway, supposedly, this "loop" is occasionally not "erased" entirely, hence
we "think" we're experiencing the same thing again--when we have not.
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Mike
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| User: "Kirby Cook" |
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13 Nov 2003 12:48:41 AM |
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Hedda wrote:
"Kirby Cook" <kirby_cook@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hedda wrote:
when you have deja vu?
It's the feeling that you've been there/done that before.
presque vu (French: nearly seen) is the feeling that you are right on
the verge of seeing something.
jamais vu is the feeling, in an ordinarily familiar setting, that you've
never been there/seen that before.
Kirby
ok let me rephrase the question ... i had Deja Vu twice today , what does
that mean?
( i know what the word means what significance does it have ?)
Hedda
I offer, as my opinion only, that is means that somehow, somewhere,
sometime, you've been there and done that. (You might as well cue the
Twilight Zone music here.) I'll let any apologists for the skeptical,
pop-psych explanation put that foreward without my help.
Kirby
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| User: "neoholistic" |
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13 Nov 2003 11:00:22 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
Hedda wrote:
when you have deja vu?
IIRC, there was a very interesting article on that on Scientific
American, a long time ago. It explained how deja vu's could be
artificially induced using electrodes in the brain, to study the
cortical activity during perception. They can be induced at any time, at
will, by pressing a button. The graphs show the individual under testing
as having a very fast 'echo' of the brain signals triggered by some
particular perception, so fast that the individual wrongly percieves
them as being a 'memory' of something already experienced, while
actually the 'echo' happens after the perception (a few ms after it).
Invariably the individual will swear that the perception has been
experienced before and that it's happened exactly how he/she remembered
it, even after been shown how it can be produced at will.
The reason for 'natural' deja vu's were not known at the time the
article was written, but IIRC it was supposed to be some failure in the
brain synopses.
Or, according to another popular hypothesis, it could be a failure in
the Matrix.
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| User: "Hedda" |
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13 Nov 2003 11:23:05 AM |
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"neoholistic" <ekqbwpo@neoholistic.org> wrote in message
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x-no-archive: yes
Hedda wrote:
when you have deja vu?
IIRC, there was a very interesting article on that on Scientific
American, a long time ago. It explained how deja vu's could be
artificially induced using electrodes in the brain, to study the
cortical activity during perception. They can be induced at any time, at
will, by pressing a button. The graphs show the individual under testing
as having a very fast 'echo' of the brain signals triggered by some
particular perception, so fast that the individual wrongly percieves
them as being a 'memory' of something already experienced, while
actually the 'echo' happens after the perception (a few ms after it).
Invariably the individual will swear that the perception has been
experienced before and that it's happened exactly how he/she remembered
it, even after been shown how it can be produced at will.
The reason for 'natural' deja vu's were not known at the time the
article was written, but IIRC it was supposed to be some failure in the
brain synopses.
Or, according to another popular hypothesis, it could be a failure in
the Matrix.
i was waiting for some one to do the Matrix thing LOL (good show
NEOholistic ) is it a glitch in the matrix when you sneeze? anyway.... from
a scientific point of view i could see that being true , the way my brain
misfires who knows? but in my heart i feel that it was either something i've
done before (this one not as much) or
like Stevhan said a precog. dream . this one rings very true at least in my
situation! :-) thanks Stevhan "you go on with your bad self" :-)
go stevhan its your birthday..... go stevhan.......
Hedda
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| User: "Kirby Cook" |
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13 Nov 2003 12:43:25 PM |
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neoholistic wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Hedda wrote:
when you have deja vu?
IIRC, there was a very interesting article on that on Scientific
American, a long time ago. It explained how deja vu's could be
artificially induced using electrodes in the brain, to study the
cortical activity during perception. They can be induced at any time, at
will, by pressing a button. The graphs show the individual under testing
as having a very fast 'echo' of the brain signals triggered by some
particular perception, so fast that the individual wrongly percieves
them as being a 'memory' of something already experienced, while
actually the 'echo' happens after the perception (a few ms after it).
Invariably the individual will swear that the perception has been
experienced before and that it's happened exactly how he/she remembered
it, even after been shown how it can be produced at will.
The reason for 'natural' deja vu's were not known at the time the
article was written, but IIRC it was supposed to be some failure in the
brain synopses.
Or, according to another popular hypothesis, it could be a failure in
the Matrix.
So, we've learned how to induce false memories electronically, at least
of a certain kind. Am I to conclude that all memories, or just all
memories of that kind, are false? That's a decision worth considering.
Or not.
Kirby
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