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Sociology > Depression |
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"Rhiannon" |
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08 Dec 2007 12:09:20 PM |
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What I learned this week is where I want to be in five years |
NOT in a place where people can say...
"I warned you not to tell people personal things in e-mail"
"If I'm royally pissed at you don't expect me to keep your confidences to
myself"
"Anything you say in e-mail is bound to hit the group"
"This is not a safe place"
"It's not really about privacy; it's about controlling the information that
gets out."
"You were warned not to trust people here"
"I'll chalk this up as a good lesson about revealing my secrets with more
care in the future"
....and mean it.
What this tells me is...
Those people have zero integrity, no conscience, no character, no respect,
no impulse control, no boundaries, no loyalty, and no true sense of what
friendship really means. Those people have no personal responsibility, no
remorse, hold themselves to no standard or moral code. What these people
are telling me is you cannot trust us, believe in us, depend on us, or turn
to us. We expect absolutely nothing of ourselves and neither should you.
Those people are dishonest. For every "huggles much love we are family"
post that has ever been posted know that it was a lie. And they have been
lying for years. Those people don't say what they mean and don't mean what
they say. They pretend, they fake, they deceive, they drip sugary sweet all
over this group at every opportunity, but only to mask the underlying bitter
taste of poison.
In essence, those people think so little of themselves they are telling me,
we are *****. And we are warning you advance that we are *****. We choose to
be *****. You must understand that we are *****. You should never expect us
to not be *****. We will not work at not being *****. We will continue to be
***** and if you forget for one moment that we are ***** and attempt to reach
out, make a connection, discuss a problem, ask for advice, or share a
burden, *you* are to blame when we fail you, and trust me (no don't trust
me) we WILL fail you. Because we choose to.
Welcome to a new era. The ASD cold war in all its fucked up nihilistic
glory where nothing is real, nothing is true, no one is safe and everyone
e-mails
everyone else to tell them not to trust people in e-mail. Now pull up a
chair and trust NO ONE. Ever.
--
Rhi
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| User: "Jane" |
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| Title: Re: What I learned this week is where I want to be in five years |
08 Dec 2007 01:57:58 PM |
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"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:fjemkh$a1o$1@news.datemas.de...
NOT in a place where people can say...
"I warned you not to tell people personal things in e-mail"
"If I'm royally pissed at you don't expect me to keep your confidences to
myself"
"Anything you say in e-mail is bound to hit the group"
"This is not a safe place"
"It's not really about privacy; it's about controlling the information
that gets out."
"You were warned not to trust people here"
"I'll chalk this up as a good lesson about revealing my secrets with more
care in the future"
...and mean it.
What this tells me is...
Those people have zero integrity, no conscience, no character, no respect,
no impulse control, no boundaries, no loyalty, and no true sense of what
friendship really means. Those people have no personal responsibility, no
remorse, hold themselves to no standard or moral code. What these people
are telling me is you cannot trust us, believe in us, depend on us, or
turn to us. We expect absolutely nothing of ourselves and neither should
you.
Those people are dishonest. For every "huggles much love we are family"
post that has ever been posted know that it was a lie. And they have been
lying for years. Those people don't say what they mean and don't mean
what they say. They pretend, they fake, they deceive, they drip sugary
sweet all
over this group at every opportunity, but only to mask the underlying
bitter taste of poison.
In essence, those people think so little of themselves they are telling
me, we are *****. And we are warning you advance that we are *****. We
choose to be *****. You must understand that we are *****. You should
never expect us to not be *****. We will not work at not being *****. We
will continue to be ***** and if you forget for one moment that we are *****
and attempt to reach out, make a connection, discuss a problem, ask for
advice, or share a burden, *you* are to blame when we fail you, and trust
me (no don't trust me) we WILL fail you. Because we choose to.
Welcome to a new era. The ASD cold war in all its fucked up nihilistic
glory where nothing is real, nothing is true, no one is safe and everyone
e-mails
everyone else to tell them not to trust people in e-mail. Now pull up a
chair and trust NO ONE. Ever.
--
Rhi
I take this as a personal attack...
I am the one who said, most of those quotes and if you really believe I am
what you described, "zero integrity, no conscious, no character, no respect,
no impulse control, no boundaries, no loyalty, no sense of true friendship"
well all I gotta say is, thank you very little next time you're life falls
apart and you have no idea what to do, I hope someone with integrity, a
conscious, character, respect and impulse control, who has boundaries and
loyalty and a sense of true friendship comes along to help you out. At
least now I know how you really feel, I can at least respect that. Good
luck in your life.
Jane
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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| Title: Re: What I learned this week is where I want to be in five years |
09 Dec 2007 01:05:29 PM |
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"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BoSdnfb4Ye_basfanZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@comcast.com...
I take this as a personal attack...
I am the one who said, most of those quotes and if you really believe I am
what you described, "zero integrity, no conscious, no character, no
respect, no impulse control, no boundaries, no loyalty, no sense of true
friendship" well all I gotta say is, thank you very little next time
you're life falls apart and you have no idea what to do, I hope someone
with integrity, a conscious, character, respect and impulse control, who
has boundaries and loyalty and a sense of true friendship comes along to
help you out. At least now I know how you really feel, I can at least
respect that. Good luck in your life.
Jane
No. Actually only one of those quotes was yours. The post was meant less
for you and more for others. And NO I don't think that of you. Or I don't
want to. Which explains why what you said affected me the way it did. I
thought it was a really awful message to send people who have trusted people
here for several years. I still think it is. I still don't know what to do
with it. I know it made you angry or hurt and I'm really sorry that it did,
but you said you prefer people to lay their issues out honestly in ASD and
talk about them and because I was hurt too that's what I did. That's all I
can do. Whether you talk about it or not is up to you and I have to respect
that but I can't not talk about my feelings in the very place that it is
meant for.
--
Rhi
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| User: "Jane" |
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09 Dec 2007 03:04:43 PM |
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"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:fjhe9q$c0m$1@aioe.org...
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BoSdnfb4Ye_basfanZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@comcast.com...
I take this as a personal attack...
I am the one who said, most of those quotes and if you really believe I
am what you described, "zero integrity, no conscious, no character, no
respect, no impulse control, no boundaries, no loyalty, no sense of true
friendship" well all I gotta say is, thank you very little next time
you're life falls apart and you have no idea what to do, I hope someone
with integrity, a conscious, character, respect and impulse control, who
has boundaries and loyalty and a sense of true friendship comes along to
help you out. At least now I know how you really feel, I can at least
respect that. Good luck in your life.
Jane
No. Actually only one of those quotes was yours. The post was meant less
for you and more for others. And NO I don't think that of you. Or I
don't want to. Which explains why what you said affected me the way it
did. I thought it was a really awful message to send people who have
trusted people here for several years. I still think it is. I still
don't know what to do with it. I know it made you angry or hurt and I'm
really sorry that it did, but you said you prefer people to lay their
issues out honestly in ASD and talk about them and because I was hurt too
that's what I did. That's all I can do. Whether you talk about it or not
is up to you and I have to respect that but I can't not talk about my
feelings in the very place that it is meant for.
--
Rhi
No I said if you have issues with me say it to my face not innuendos about
how "certain" things have hurt you. Spit it out for cripes sake, don't
***** foot around with me, I don't play those games I say what's on my mind.
More then half of those quotes were directly from me Rhi, not just one of
those, I can quote each one of them if you'd like. The huggles is "my"
trade mark no one else's. That post was directed at me, but in a round
about way, that isn't laying out your feelings, that's bitching about
someone anonymously in order to protect yourself should the person confront
you with it. That bit of advice that you were so offended by was for Rose
and any one else new here who hasn't experienced the emotional rollercoaster
of ASD. Advising them this is not a safe haven for emotionally unstable
individuals. I don't recall you posting about having trust issues and
privacy issues asking for advice how to get by a betrayal, I thought Rose
was the OP. Yet you stuck your self in the middle of it and took a post
that was not meant for you and twisted it as a personal vendetta against
anyone who didn't conform to how you feel, and that's just not the Liz I
used to know. You're entitled to your opinion and you're entitled to speak
what you will, but own those words don't back peddle them when you hurt
someone with them.
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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| Title: Re: What I learned this week is where I want to be in five years |
09 Dec 2007 03:52:10 PM |
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"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mPKdnYPzUsd7xcHanZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@comcast.com...
No I said if you have issues with me say it to my face not innuendos about
how "certain" things have hurt you. Spit it out for cripes sake, don't
***** foot around with me, I don't play those games I say what's on my
mind. More then half of those quotes were directly from me Rhi
No they weren't. Here...
"I warned you not to tell people personal things in e-mail" - Percent
"If I'm royally pissed at you don't expect me to keep your confidences to
myself" - Use2b
"Anything you say in e-mail is bound to hit the group" - Jane
"This is not a safe place" - Gayle
"It's not really about privacy; it's about controlling the information that
gets out." - Luna
"You were warned not to trust people here" - Percent
"I'll chalk this up as a good lesson about revealing my secrets with more
care in the future" - Gayle
not just one of those, I can quote each one of them if you'd like. The
huggles is "my" trade mark no one else's.
No it isn't. I have seen a lot of people use this. Including Rose who I
was defending in in the threads about revealing private e-mail.
That post was directed at me, but in a round about way,
It is apparent now that you assumed it was all about you.
that isn't laying out your feelings, that's bitching about someone
anonymously in order to protect yourself should the person confront you
with it. That bit of advice that you were so offended by was for Rose and
any one else new here who hasn't experienced the emotional rollercoaster of
ASD.
How was I suppose to know that? You didn't say this bit of advice is for
you Rose. You made a general sweeping statement that included everyone.
You even went on to say, and this is the FIRST time I am quoting this, "If
someone doesn't want anyone to know, PLEASE DON'T TELL ME!" Doesn't
"someone" and "anyone" include everyone?
Advising them this is not a safe haven for emotionally unstable
individuals. I don't recall you posting about having trust issues and
privacy issues asking for advice how to get by a betrayal
Over the years I have discussed it *several* times in the group and in
e-mail. You're failure to recall is my fault? Besides, what difference
would it make had I never discussed it? After ten years isn't trust between
two people assumed? What the messages were saying, and outright, was no.
, I thought Rose was the OP. Yet you stuck your self in the middle of it
and took a post that was not meant for you
Looks like you may have done the same thing. I guess we're both guilty.
and twisted it as a personal vendetta against anyone who didn't conform to
how you feel, and that's just not the Liz I used to know. You're entitled
to your opinion and you're entitled to speak what you will, but own those
words don't back peddle them when you hurt someone with them.
I stand by every word. It looks like there may have been a lot of
misunderstanding on both sides by both of us. But I stand by what I said
about my feelings on the attitude that private mail ultimately isn't
private. Ever. Even between friends.
If you say anything in email to anyone on a public group, it's just a
matter
of time before it hits the group
So you said that bit of information was meant for Rose. That it wasn't
meant for everyone. Or it didn't apply to me. But now you reaffirm what
you said in the first place. Which means it does apply to everyone.
Including me. Do you see why I might have been confused? We will either
work through this and get passed it or we won't. I can do either. You're
choice.
--
Rhi
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: What I learned this week is where I want to be in five years |
09 Dec 2007 03:55:16 PM |
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Rhiannon wrote:
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mPKdnYPzUsd7xcHanZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@comcast.com...
No I said if you have issues with me say it to my face not innuendos
about how "certain" things have hurt you. Spit it out for cripes
sake, don't ***** foot around with me, I don't play those games I
say what's on my mind. More then half of those quotes were directly
from me Rhi
No they weren't. Here...
"I warned you not to tell people personal things in e-mail" - Percent
"If I'm royally pissed at you don't expect me to keep your
confidences to myself" - Use2b
"Anything you say in e-mail is bound to hit the group" - Jane
"This is not a safe place" - Gayle
"It's not really about privacy; it's about controlling the
information that gets out." - Luna
"You were warned not to trust people here" - Percent
"I'll chalk this up as a good lesson about revealing my secrets with
more care in the future" - Gayle
not just one of those, I can quote each one of them if you'd like.
The huggles is "my" trade mark no one else's.
No it isn't. I have seen a lot of people use this. Including Rose
who I was defending in in the threads about revealing private e-mail.
That post was directed at me, but in a round about way,
It is apparent now that you assumed it was all about you.
that isn't laying out your feelings, that's bitching about someone
anonymously in order to protect yourself should the person confront
you with it. That bit of advice that you were so offended by was
for Rose and any one else new here who hasn't experienced the
emotional rollercoaster of ASD.
How was I suppose to know that? You didn't say this bit of advice is
for you Rose. You made a general sweeping statement that included
everyone. You even went on to say, and this is the FIRST time I am
quoting this, "If someone doesn't want anyone to know, PLEASE DON'T
TELL ME!" Doesn't "someone" and "anyone" include everyone?
Advising them this is not a safe haven for emotionally unstable
individuals. I don't recall you posting about having trust issues
and privacy issues asking for advice how to get by a betrayal
Over the years I have discussed it *several* times in the group and in
e-mail. You're failure to recall is my fault? Besides, what
difference would it make had I never discussed it? After ten years
isn't trust between two people assumed? What the messages were
saying, and outright, was no.
, I thought Rose was the OP. Yet you stuck your self in the middle
of it and took a post that was not meant for you
Looks like you may have done the same thing. I guess we're both
guilty.
and twisted it as a personal vendetta against anyone who didn't
conform to how you feel, and that's just not the Liz I used to know.
You're entitled to your opinion and you're entitled to speak what
you will, but own those words don't back peddle them when you hurt
someone with them.
I stand by every word. It looks like there may have been a lot of
misunderstanding on both sides by both of us. But I stand by what I
said about my feelings on the attitude that private mail ultimately
isn't private. Ever. Even between friends.
If you say anything in email to anyone on a public group, it's just
a matter
of time before it hits the group
So you said that bit of information was meant for Rose. That it
wasn't meant for everyone. Or it didn't apply to me. But now you
reaffirm what you said in the first place. Which means it does apply
to everyone. Including me. Do you see why I might have been
confused? We will either work through this and get passed it or we
won't. I can do either. You're choice.
if anyone has a problem with anything i say that's their problem - Rhi
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| User: "cal" |
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| Title: Re: What I learned this week is where I want to be in five years |
09 Dec 2007 06:43:17 PM |
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On 12/9/07 4:55 PM, in article
vMKdneOZCJWu-cHanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@giganews.com, "%" <persent@gmail.com>
wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mPKdnYPzUsd7xcHanZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@comcast.com...
No I said if you have issues with me say it to my face not innuendos
about how "certain" things have hurt you. Spit it out for cripes
sake, don't ***** foot around with me, I don't play those games I
say what's on my mind. More then half of those quotes were directly
from me Rhi
No they weren't. Here...
"I warned you not to tell people personal things in e-mail" - Percent
"If I'm royally pissed at you don't expect me to keep your
confidences to myself" - Use2b
"Anything you say in e-mail is bound to hit the group" - Jane
"This is not a safe place" - Gayle
"It's not really about privacy; it's about controlling the
information that gets out." - Luna
"You were warned not to trust people here" - Percent
"I'll chalk this up as a good lesson about revealing my secrets with
more care in the future" - Gayle
not just one of those, I can quote each one of them if you'd like.
The huggles is "my" trade mark no one else's.
No it isn't. I have seen a lot of people use this. Including Rose
who I was defending in in the threads about revealing private e-mail.
That post was directed at me, but in a round about way,
It is apparent now that you assumed it was all about you.
that isn't laying out your feelings, that's bitching about someone
anonymously in order to protect yourself should the person confront
you with it. That bit of advice that you were so offended by was
for Rose and any one else new here who hasn't experienced the
emotional rollercoaster of ASD.
How was I suppose to know that? You didn't say this bit of advice is
for you Rose. You made a general sweeping statement that included
everyone. You even went on to say, and this is the FIRST time I am
quoting this, "If someone doesn't want anyone to know, PLEASE DON'T
TELL ME!" Doesn't "someone" and "anyone" include everyone?
Advising them this is not a safe haven for emotionally unstable
individuals. I don't recall you posting about having trust issues
and privacy issues asking for advice how to get by a betrayal
Over the years I have discussed it *several* times in the group and in
e-mail. You're failure to recall is my fault? Besides, what
difference would it make had I never discussed it? After ten years
isn't trust between two people assumed? What the messages were
saying, and outright, was no.
, I thought Rose was the OP. Yet you stuck your self in the middle
of it and took a post that was not meant for you
Looks like you may have done the same thing. I guess we're both
guilty.
and twisted it as a personal vendetta against anyone who didn't
conform to how you feel, and that's just not the Liz I used to know.
You're entitled to your opinion and you're entitled to speak what
you will, but own those words don't back peddle them when you hurt
someone with them.
I stand by every word. It looks like there may have been a lot of
misunderstanding on both sides by both of us. But I stand by what I
said about my feelings on the attitude that private mail ultimately
isn't private. Ever. Even between friends.
If you say anything in email to anyone on a public group, it's just
a matter
of time before it hits the group
So you said that bit of information was meant for Rose. That it
wasn't meant for everyone. Or it didn't apply to me. But now you
reaffirm what you said in the first place. Which means it does apply
to everyone. Including me. Do you see why I might have been
confused? We will either work through this and get passed it or we
won't. I can do either. You're choice.
if anyone has a problem with anything i say that's their problem - Rhi
i think rhi is an amazing problem solver.
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: What I learned this week is where I want to be in five years |
09 Dec 2007 06:48:52 PM |
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cal wrote:
On 12/9/07 4:55 PM, in article
vMKdneOZCJWu-cHanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@giganews.com, "%" <persent@gmail.com>
wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mPKdnYPzUsd7xcHanZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@comcast.com...
No I said if you have issues with me say it to my face not
innuendos about how "certain" things have hurt you. Spit it out
for cripes sake, don't ***** foot around with me, I don't play
those games I say what's on my mind. More then half of those
quotes were directly from me Rhi
No they weren't. Here...
"I warned you not to tell people personal things in e-mail" -
Percent "If I'm royally pissed at you don't expect me to keep your
confidences to myself" - Use2b
"Anything you say in e-mail is bound to hit the group" - Jane
"This is not a safe place" - Gayle
"It's not really about privacy; it's about controlling the
information that gets out." - Luna
"You were warned not to trust people here" - Percent
"I'll chalk this up as a good lesson about revealing my secrets with
more care in the future" - Gayle
not just one of those, I can quote each one of them if you'd like.
The huggles is "my" trade mark no one else's.
No it isn't. I have seen a lot of people use this. Including Rose
who I was defending in in the threads about revealing private
e-mail.
That post was directed at me, but in a round about way,
It is apparent now that you assumed it was all about you.
that isn't laying out your feelings, that's bitching about someone
anonymously in order to protect yourself should the person confront
you with it. That bit of advice that you were so offended by was
for Rose and any one else new here who hasn't experienced the
emotional rollercoaster of ASD.
How was I suppose to know that? You didn't say this bit of advice
is for you Rose. You made a general sweeping statement that
included everyone. You even went on to say, and this is the FIRST
time I am quoting this, "If someone doesn't want anyone to know,
PLEASE DON'T TELL ME!" Doesn't "someone" and "anyone" include
everyone?
Advising them this is not a safe haven for emotionally unstable
individuals. I don't recall you posting about having trust issues
and privacy issues asking for advice how to get by a betrayal
Over the years I have discussed it *several* times in the group and
in e-mail. You're failure to recall is my fault? Besides, what
difference would it make had I never discussed it? After ten years
isn't trust between two people assumed? What the messages were
saying, and outright, was no.
, I thought Rose was the OP. Yet you stuck your self in the middle
of it and took a post that was not meant for you
Looks like you may have done the same thing. I guess we're both
guilty.
and twisted it as a personal vendetta against anyone who didn't
conform to how you feel, and that's just not the Liz I used to
know. You're entitled to your opinion and you're entitled to speak
what you will, but own those words don't back peddle them when you
hurt someone with them.
I stand by every word. It looks like there may have been a lot of
misunderstanding on both sides by both of us. But I stand by what I
said about my feelings on the attitude that private mail ultimately
isn't private. Ever. Even between friends.
If you say anything in email to anyone on a public group, it's
just a matter
of time before it hits the group
So you said that bit of information was meant for Rose. That it
wasn't meant for everyone. Or it didn't apply to me. But now you
reaffirm what you said in the first place. Which means it does
apply to everyone. Including me. Do you see why I might have been
confused? We will either work through this and get passed it or we
won't. I can do either. You're choice.
if anyone has a problem with anything i say that's their problem -
Rhi
i think rhi is an amazing problem solver.
that's nice
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| User: "Noon Cat Nick" |
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| Title: Re: What I learned this week is where I want to be in five years |
09 Dec 2007 03:12:20 PM |
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Jane wrote:
"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:fjhe9q$c0m$1@aioe.org...
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BoSdnfb4Ye_basfanZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@comcast.com...
I take this as a personal attack...
I am the one who said, most of those quotes and if you really believe I
am what you described, "zero integrity, no conscious, no character, no
respect, no impulse control, no boundaries, no loyalty, no sense of true
friendship" well all I gotta say is, thank you very little next time
you're life falls apart and you have no idea what to do, I hope someone
with integrity, a conscious, character, respect and impulse control, who
has boundaries and loyalty and a sense of true friendship comes along to
help you out. At least now I know how you really feel, I can at least
respect that. Good luck in your life.
Jane
No. Actually only one of those quotes was yours. The post was meant less
for you and more for others. And NO I don't think that of you. Or I
don't want to. Which explains why what you said affected me the way it
did. I thought it was a really awful message to send people who have
trusted people here for several years. I still think it is. I still
don't know what to do with it. I know it made you angry or hurt and I'm
really sorry that it did, but you said you prefer people to lay their
issues out honestly in ASD and talk about them and because I was hurt too
that's what I did. That's all I can do. Whether you talk about it or not
is up to you and I have to respect that but I can't not talk about my
feelings in the very place that it is meant for.
--
Rhi
No I said if you have issues with me say it to my face not innuendos about
how "certain" things have hurt you. Spit it out for cripes sake, don't
***** foot around with me, I don't play those games I say what's on my mind.
More then half of those quotes were directly from me Rhi, not just one of
those, I can quote each one of them if you'd like. The huggles is "my"
trade mark no one else's. That post was directed at me, but in a round
about way, that isn't laying out your feelings, that's bitching about
someone anonymously in order to protect yourself should the person confront
you with it. That bit of advice that you were so offended by was for Rose
and any one else new here who hasn't experienced the emotional rollercoaster
of ASD. Advising them this is not a safe haven for emotionally unstable
individuals. I don't recall you posting about having trust issues and
privacy issues asking for advice how to get by a betrayal, I thought Rose
was the OP. Yet you stuck your self in the middle of it and took a post
that was not meant for you and twisted it as a personal vendetta against
anyone who didn't conform to how you feel, and that's just not the Liz I
used to know. You're entitled to your opinion and you're entitled to speak
what you will, but own those words don't back peddle them when you hurt
someone with them.
The kitchen's gettin' might hot around here. I'm steppin' outside for
this one. I see a bad moon risin'.
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| User: "Jane" |
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09 Dec 2007 03:16:46 PM |
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"Noon Cat Nick" <chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jane wrote:
"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:fjhe9q$c0m$1@aioe.org...
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BoSdnfb4Ye_basfanZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@comcast.com...
I take this as a personal attack...
I am the one who said, most of those quotes and if you really believe I
am what you described, "zero integrity, no conscious, no character, no
respect, no impulse control, no boundaries, no loyalty, no sense of true
friendship" well all I gotta say is, thank you very little next time
you're life falls apart and you have no idea what to do, I hope someone
with integrity, a conscious, character, respect and impulse control, who
has boundaries and loyalty and a sense of true friendship comes along to
help you out. At least now I know how you really feel, I can at least
respect that. Good luck in your life.
Jane
No. Actually only one of those quotes was yours. The post was meant
less for you and more for others. And NO I don't think that of you. Or
I don't want to. Which explains why what you said affected me the way it
did. I thought it was a really awful message to send people who have
trusted people here for several years. I still think it is. I still
don't know what to do with it. I know it made you angry or hurt and I'm
really sorry that it did, but you said you prefer people to lay their
issues out honestly in ASD and talk about them and because I was hurt too
that's what I did. That's all I can do. Whether you talk about it or
not is up to you and I have to respect that but I can't not talk about my
feelings in the very place that it is meant for.
--
Rhi
No I said if you have issues with me say it to my face not innuendos
about how "certain" things have hurt you. Spit it out for cripes sake,
don't ***** foot around with me, I don't play those games I say what's on
my mind. More then half of those quotes were directly from me Rhi, not
just one of those, I can quote each one of them if you'd like. The
huggles is "my" trade mark no one else's. That post was directed at me,
but in a round about way, that isn't laying out your feelings, that's
bitching about someone anonymously in order to protect yourself should
the person confront you with it. That bit of advice that you were so
offended by was for Rose and any one else new here who hasn't experienced
the emotional rollercoaster of ASD. Advising them this is not a safe
haven for emotionally unstable individuals. I don't recall you posting
about having trust issues and privacy issues asking for advice how to get
by a betrayal, I thought Rose was the OP. Yet you stuck your self in the
middle of it and took a post that was not meant for you and twisted it as
a personal vendetta against anyone who didn't conform to how you feel,
and that's just not the Liz I used to know. You're entitled to your
opinion and you're entitled to speak what you will, but own those words
don't back peddle them when you hurt someone with them.
The kitchen's gettin' might hot around here. I'm steppin' outside for this
one. I see a bad moon risin'.
Naw I'm done with it, what's the point, I'm going down to watch some TV.
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| User: "%" |
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09 Dec 2007 01:08:51 PM |
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Rhiannon wrote:
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BoSdnfb4Ye_basfanZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@comcast.com...
I take this as a personal attack...
I am the one who said, most of those quotes and if you really
believe I am what you described, "zero integrity, no conscious, no
character, no respect, no impulse control, no boundaries, no
loyalty, no sense of true friendship" well all I gotta say is, thank
you very little next time you're life falls apart and you have no
idea what to do, I hope someone with integrity, a conscious,
character, respect and impulse control, who has boundaries and
loyalty and a sense of true friendship comes along to help you out.
At least now I know how you really feel, I can at least respect
that. Good luck in your life.
Jane
No. Actually only one of those quotes was yours. The post was meant
less for you and more for others. And NO I don't think that of you.
Or I don't want to. Which explains why what you said affected me the
way it did. I thought it was a really awful message to send people
who have trusted people here for several years. I still think it is.
I still don't know what to do with it. I know it made you angry or
hurt and I'm really sorry that it did, but you said you prefer people
to lay their issues out honestly in ASD and talk about them and
because I was hurt too that's what I did. That's all I can do.
Whether you talk about it or not is up to you and I have to respect
that but I can't not talk about my feelings in the very place that it
is meant for.
neither can i , well i can but ,
there are those that think i shouldn't be allowed to
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| User: "Jane" |
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09 Dec 2007 03:06:11 PM |
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"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:KKOdnZRIisutoMHanZ2dnUVZ_oSnnZ2d@giganews.com...
Rhiannon wrote:
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BoSdnfb4Ye_basfanZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@comcast.com...
I take this as a personal attack...
I am the one who said, most of those quotes and if you really
believe I am what you described, "zero integrity, no conscious, no
character, no respect, no impulse control, no boundaries, no
loyalty, no sense of true friendship" well all I gotta say is, thank
you very little next time you're life falls apart and you have no
idea what to do, I hope someone with integrity, a conscious,
character, respect and impulse control, who has boundaries and
loyalty and a sense of true friendship comes along to help you out.
At least now I know how you really feel, I can at least respect
that. Good luck in your life.
Jane
No. Actually only one of those quotes was yours. The post was meant
less for you and more for others. And NO I don't think that of you.
Or I don't want to. Which explains why what you said affected me the
way it did. I thought it was a really awful message to send people
who have trusted people here for several years. I still think it is.
I still don't know what to do with it. I know it made you angry or
hurt and I'm really sorry that it did, but you said you prefer people
to lay their issues out honestly in ASD and talk about them and
because I was hurt too that's what I did. That's all I can do.
Whether you talk about it or not is up to you and I have to respect
that but I can't not talk about my feelings in the very place that it
is meant for.
neither can i , well i can but ,
there are those that think i shouldn't be allowed to
I talk about what ever I need to talk about, the difference is I don't
pretend I'm not talking about the individual who it's about.
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| User: "%" |
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09 Dec 2007 03:13:38 PM |
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Jane wrote:
"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:KKOdnZRIisutoMHanZ2dnUVZ_oSnnZ2d@giganews.com...
Rhiannon wrote:
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BoSdnfb4Ye_basfanZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@comcast.com...
I take this as a personal attack...
I am the one who said, most of those quotes and if you really
believe I am what you described, "zero integrity, no conscious, no
character, no respect, no impulse control, no boundaries, no
loyalty, no sense of true friendship" well all I gotta say is,
thank you very little next time you're life falls apart and you
have no idea what to do, I hope someone with integrity, a
conscious, character, respect and impulse control, who has
boundaries and loyalty and a sense of true friendship comes along
to help you out. At least now I know how you really feel, I can at
least respect that. Good luck in your life.
Jane
No. Actually only one of those quotes was yours. The post was
meant less for you and more for others. And NO I don't think that
of you. Or I don't want to. Which explains why what you said
affected me the way it did. I thought it was a really awful
message to send people who have trusted people here for several
years. I still think it is. I still don't know what to do with it.
I know it made you angry or hurt and I'm really sorry that it did,
but you said you prefer people to lay their issues out honestly in
ASD and talk about them and because I was hurt too that's what I
did. That's all I can do. Whether you talk about it or not is up
to you and I have to respect that but I can't not talk about my
feelings in the very place that it is meant for.
neither can i , well i can but ,
there are those that think i shouldn't be allowed to
I talk about what ever I need to talk about, the difference is I don't
pretend I'm not talking about the individual who it's about.
i do what i do
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| User: "cal" |
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| Title: Re: What I learned this week is where I want to be in five years |
09 Dec 2007 06:42:07 PM |
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On 12/9/07 4:06 PM, in article usidnXn2HYKjxMHanZ2dnUVZ_ualnZ2d@comcast.com,
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:KKOdnZRIisutoMHanZ2dnUVZ_oSnnZ2d@giganews.com...
Rhiannon wrote:
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BoSdnfb4Ye_basfanZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@comcast.com...
I take this as a personal attack...
I am the one who said, most of those quotes and if you really
believe I am what you described, "zero integrity, no conscious, no
character, no respect, no impulse control, no boundaries, no
loyalty, no sense of true friendship" well all I gotta say is, thank
you very little next time you're life falls apart and you have no
idea what to do, I hope someone with integrity, a conscious,
character, respect and impulse control, who has boundaries and
loyalty and a sense of true friendship comes along to help you out.
At least now I know how you really feel, I can at least respect
that. Good luck in your life.
Jane
No. Actually only one of those quotes was yours. The post was meant
less for you and more for others. And NO I don't think that of you.
Or I don't want to. Which explains why what you said affected me the
way it did. I thought it was a really awful message to send people
who have trusted people here for several years. I still think it is.
I still don't know what to do with it. I know it made you angry or
hurt and I'm really sorry that it did, but you said you prefer people
to lay their issues out honestly in ASD and talk about them and
because I was hurt too that's what I did. That's all I can do.
Whether you talk about it or not is up to you and I have to respect
that but I can't not talk about my feelings in the very place that it
is meant for.
neither can i , well i can but ,
there are those that think i shouldn't be allowed to
I talk about what ever I need to talk about, the difference is I don't
pretend I'm not talking about the individual who it's about.
imo this whole thread has been too much about generalities with no names
named, so i'll ask you and everyone else point-blank.
1) can you see yourself sharing the info rose confided to cindy?
2) do you think it would be ok if you did?
3) can you be trusted by your friends not to?
me: no, no, and yes. that said, when someone wants to take me into their
confidence, i appreciate it if they ask if it's ok first. i want a chance to
decline to hear it.
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| User: "slunky" |
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09 Dec 2007 01:10:21 PM |
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_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
neither can i , well i can but ,
there are those that think i shouldn't be allowed to
You can be sure they'll use it against you at a later date.
--
-slunky
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| User: "%" |
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09 Dec 2007 01:13:17 PM |
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slunky wrote:
_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
neither can i , well i can but ,
there are those that think i shouldn't be allowed to
You can be sure they'll use it against you at a later date.
i expect it
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| User: "slunky" |
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09 Dec 2007 01:26:50 PM |
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_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
i expect it
I didn't at first, but now because certain people don't like me and it's
happened a few times, now I know.
--
-slunky
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| User: "%" |
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09 Dec 2007 01:28:12 PM |
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slunky wrote:
_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
i expect it
I didn't at first, but now because certain people don't like me and
it's happened a few times, now I know.
yep , it sometimes takes time ,
before you see some peoples real side
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| User: "slunky" |
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09 Dec 2007 01:34:46 PM |
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_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
yep , it sometimes takes time ,
before you see some peoples real side
Oh well. I just go to a different group now to talk about that kind of
stuff.
--
-slunky
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| User: "%" |
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09 Dec 2007 01:37:57 PM |
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slunky wrote:
_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
yep , it sometimes takes time ,
before you see some peoples real side
Oh well. I just go to a different group now to talk about that kind of
stuff.
yea , i just don't do that here anymore either
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| User: "slunky" |
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09 Dec 2007 01:50:00 PM |
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_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
yea , i just don't do that here anymore either
I'm not going to get my posting goal for the end of the year. I'll still
be third place.
--
-slunky
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| User: "%" |
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09 Dec 2007 01:52:02 PM |
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slunky wrote:
_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
yea , i just don't do that here anymore either
I'm not going to get my posting goal for the end of the year. I'll
still be third place.
i'm not sure if i will or not ,
i'll be off a lot over christmas ,
but i'll be looking in as much as i can
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| User: "slunky" |
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09 Dec 2007 01:58:10 PM |
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_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
i'm not sure if i will or not ,
i'll be off a lot over christmas ,
but i'll be looking in as much as i can
I'd need 2,100 posts. I can do it by February though.
--
-slunky
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| User: "%" |
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09 Dec 2007 02:24:07 PM |
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slunky wrote:
_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
i'm not sure if i will or not ,
i'll be off a lot over christmas ,
but i'll be looking in as much as i can
I'd need 2,100 posts. I can do it by February though.
i need lots and i doubt i'll make it
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| User: "slunky" |
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09 Dec 2007 02:44:10 PM |
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_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
i need lots and i doubt i'll make it
Oh well.
--
-slunky
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| User: "%" |
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09 Dec 2007 02:45:40 PM |
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slunky wrote:
_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
i need lots and i doubt i'll make it
Oh well.
yep , i didn't really try anyway ,
it was just a if i do i do
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| User: "slunky" |
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09 Dec 2007 02:47:33 PM |
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_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
yep , i didn't really try anyway ,
it was just a if i do i do
I wasn't really trying either, but I was going to have a party if I made
it.
--
-slunky
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| User: "%" |
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09 Dec 2007 02:57:31 PM |
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slunky wrote:
_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
yep , i didn't really try anyway ,
it was just a if i do i do
I wasn't really trying either, but I was going to have a party if I
made it.
i'm not sure if i will or not ,
i need 3,000 but i'm not sure i'll make it ,
cause her daughter and kids are coming ,
and i'll be pre occupied with that
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| User: "slunky" |
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| Title: Re: What I learned this week is where I want to be in five years |
09 Dec 2007 03:00:40 PM |
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_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
i'm not sure if i will or not ,
i need 3,000 but i'm not sure i'll make it ,
cause her daughter and kids are coming ,
and i'll be pre occupied with that
Yeah, I suppose you will.
--
-slunky
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| User: "%" |
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09 Dec 2007 03:01:49 PM |
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slunky wrote:
_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
i'm not sure if i will or not ,
i need 3,000 but i'm not sure i'll make it ,
cause her daughter and kids are coming ,
and i'll be pre occupied with that
Yeah, I suppose you will.
from what i figure they'll be here for 5 days
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| User: "slunky" |
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09 Dec 2007 03:03:53 PM |
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_/ % <persent@gmail.com> wrote \_
from what i figure they'll be here for 5 days
That isn't too long. I guess if you're not used to having kids around it
is though.
--
-slunky
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