"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:

In message <2ra3g9F17l353U3@uni-berlin.de>, Thomas Dehn
<thomas-usenet@arcor.de> writes

"Hap Arnold" <hap.arnold@cox.net> wrote:

Did the US not remove the dictator from Iraq?

Yes, but wait a few more years on Iraq. The US removed
*one* dictator from Iraq, but there will soon be another one.

Did the US not remove centralised terror and censorship from Afghanistan?

The US removed the government (for the 4th time in 15
years), but not the terror. About 1000 terror deaths
in Afghanistan thus far in 2004. The Taliban and the Warlords
control most of the country. Opium production is at an
all-time high. Or, to word it differently: Kabul, where most
of the international forces reside, currently is a safer place
than a few years ago. But not much has changed in Afghanistan
overall.

I understand that, though Kabul may be 'safer', women still find it
unsafe not to wear chador when outside their homes.

I do not know what women in Kabul are wearing these days.
I only read that they are no longer running around half-naked.
Assuming you are correct and they are wearing the chador,
that would be a small improvement for the women, compared
to the 'burka'.

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neoholistic wrote:

(THAT is scary. Oh, and the fact that you and your protegče Israel have
the largest WMD arsenals /in the entire planet/, and have the cheek to
tell others to disassemble theirs. What a nerve).

In other words, fascist militant theocracies spreading Islamic terror,
*targetting* civilians and children, in an attempt to create a
world-wide Islamic theocracy, are morally equivalent to a secular,
democratic US, which is attempting to give the people of Iraq and
Afghanistan stable democratic systems, eliminating the tyrants who
terrorized the population before we were there?

What do you think would happen if the insurgency in Iraq stopped, Neo?
What do you think we are trying to do there right now? Be fucking real.
Oh wait, we're going to put in a puppet regime that we control, so we
can physically pump the oil out of Iraq and ship it to the US without
paying the Iraqis. I forgot.

What do you think the throat-cutters are trying to do? What happens if
we leave right now? The throat-cutters will lay down their arms, the UN
steps in, and peace and democracy flourish and Iraq becomes Nirvana?
What the hell do you think the throat-cutters, women-killers, and
child-killers are trying to accomplish? You think, oh, I don't know,
maybe they're trying to set up some sort of Islamic theocratic
dictatorship that continues to oppress and murder its own people? But
it's OK if they do it to each other, right?

Why aren't you outraged at what's going on Dafur right now? Why no
posts from you about Dafur right now? Answer: because you don't give a
damn, that's why. How many people have been killed and maimed in Dafur,
Neo? Why no mass protests against THIS war around the world, Neo? Gee,
I wonder.

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neoholistic wrote:

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Janithor wrote:

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No, you're a fascist because you're using Dead White Male Logic.

Again the word "white". Curious. Even though I don't have the slightest
idea what "Dead While Male Logic" is supposed to mean.

It's a phrase that was drilled into me by the lefties. Supposedly logic
is the domain of white men. The wacko feminists actually started
calling into question the basic sciences, saying they were polluted by a
male-dominated framework (and "male" was almost always prefaced by the
word "white". Again, I listened and learned from the lefties.)

(The irony that he called you a fascist in light of the regimes you
listed, it would be so funny if it wasn't so scary.)

"You're either with US or against US". 'Nuff said.

(THAT is scary. Oh, and the fact that you and your protegče Israel have
the largest WMD arsenals /in the entire planet/, and have the cheek to
tell others to disassemble theirs. What a nerve).

Equivocation.

Question: which country treats its women citizens better? (or better
yet, which country treats its women like citizens at all?) If you had
no choice but these countries, which would you choose to live in:
secular democratic Israel, or fascist theocratic Iran? Oh wait, US bad,
poor 3rd world good. I forgot, sorry.

Check the list he gave you: these are model gov'ts?! I'm sorry, but
you're sounding a little wacky. Unless you consider Sharia simply
another valid form of law, I dont' know, maybe you do. Hey, whatever.
So they stone women for the capital crime of adultery, so they kill
female family members for being seen in public with strange men, to
preserve the family honor. Who's to say they're not right and I'm not
wrong? It's all relative, Einstein taught us that, right?

Yes, you guys are scary Neo. Don't equivocate. Unless you're on their
side, which seems to be the case. Are you are Muslim?