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"Fast Recovery" |
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01 Jul 2007 10:27:48 AM |
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When you grow a backbone using CBT, you will probably lose friends. |
I've found getting more confidence using CBT similar to a fishing
bobber. When you're deep in depression you're like a bobber that has
been weighted down to the bottom with a bunch of sinkers.
You're irrational beliefs are the sinkers that hold you down on the
bottom and if you're at the bottom you don't even realize it's your
own irrational beliefs holding you down.
And while you're down there you look for someone else to pull you up,
but since most of the people have never been down there with you and
gotten out of it there aren't a lot of people who can show you the way
up. They tell you to "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", but they
can't show you how. They haven't done it themselves.
When you start to throw off your irrational beliefs using CBT some
people around you are going to see that as a threat and try to keep
you in your place. Don't give that a second thought. As you throw
off your sinkers you will find a better circle of friends who support
your growth. Take pen and paper in hand and dispute those irrational
beliefs for at least 30 minutes daily. If you have learned CBT
correctly from someone who knows it you will see what I mean.
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| User: "Robert Maas, see http://tinyurl.com/uh3t" |
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| Title: Re: When you grow a backbone using CBT, you will probably lose friends. |
05 Jul 2007 04:41:32 PM |
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From: Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com>
I've found getting more confidence using CBT similar to a fishing
bobber. When you're deep in depression you're like a bobber that
has been weighted down to the bottom with a bunch of sinkers.
It's a poor fisherman who blames his sinkers. :-)
Now back to your regularily-scheduled program, Serious Depression Discussion:
A bobber is an inanimate object, under total control of the
fisherman (together with water currents etc.). Using a bobber as a
metaphor for yourself, is basically saying that you are totally
under the control of somebody else, that what happens to you is
entirely the other person's fault, that there is no action you can
possibly take of your own initiative. Using mushrooms as metaphors
for metaphors, you've bitten into a Bella Donna metaphor.
You're irrational beliefs are the sinkers that hold you down ...
Time for some self-shame: You misspelled the word "your".
As you throw off your sinkers
I you've ever witnessed a fishing bobber throwing off its sinkers,
you've been smoking something popularily known as "weed", or "Mary Jane".
Or maybe you find and eat wild mushrooms? Was it white with red spots?
Or was it red with white spots?
you will find a better circle of friends who support your growth.
I've never had even one friend in my whole life. No matter how many
sinkers I've thrown off, my friend-count remains at exactly zero.
I wrote a limric for you, except I need you to write the last line:
There once was a gal named FastRecovery,
Whose metaphors all seem to be GoneRunaway.
'til one day she met,
a dittier named robe't,
Who asked her please finish this SelfReferencery.
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: When you grow a backbone using CBT, you will probably lose friends. |
05 Jul 2007 04:55:54 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
On Jul 5, 2:41 pm, (Robert Maas, see http://tinyurl.com/uh3t)
wrote:
There once was a gal named FastRecovery,
Whose metaphors all seem to be GoneRunaway.
'til one day she met,
a dittier named robe't,
Who asked her please finish this SelfReferencery.
And then there was old Robert Maas
Who kicked "Fast Recovery's" aas
So fiercely he spurns
Even Doc David Burns
Felt his bobber sink with FR's laass
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: When you grow a backbone using CBT, you will probably lose friends. |
01 Jul 2007 12:25:21 PM |
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If you're anything like the way you are online in real life, I'm
guessing the friends you've lost would attribute it to something else.
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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| Title: Re: When you grow a backbone using CBT, you will probably lose friends. |
01 Jul 2007 03:49:06 PM |
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"RGB" <asd062107@Use.Organization> wrote in message
news:4sRhi.14005$SJ1.8802@fe05.news.easynews.com...
If you're anything like the way you are online in real life, I'm
guessing the friends you've lost would attribute it to something else.
I'll say.
--
Rhi
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: When you grow a backbone using CBT, you will probably lose friends. |
01 Jul 2007 11:03:08 AM |
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In message <hahf83l6q1rd8tblooiet8nbp4d9o1er9l@4ax.com>, Fast Recovery
<flying14@hotmail.com> writes
I've found getting more confidence using CBT similar to a fishing
bobber. When you're deep in depression you're like a bobber that has
been weighted down to the bottom with a bunch of sinkers.
You're irrational beliefs are the sinkers that hold you down on the
bottom and if you're at the bottom you don't even realize it's your
own irrational beliefs holding you down.
And while you're down there you look for someone else to pull you up,
but since most of the people have never been down there with you and
gotten out of it there aren't a lot of people who can show you the way
up. They tell you to "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", but they
can't show you how. They haven't done it themselves.
When you start to throw off your irrational beliefs using CBT some
people around you are going to see that as a threat and try to keep
you in your place. Don't give that a second thought. As you throw
off your sinkers you will find a better circle of friends who support
your growth. Take pen and paper in hand and dispute those irrational
beliefs for at least 30 minutes daily. If you have learned CBT
correctly from someone who knows it you will see what I mean.
Don't be silly. My irrational beliefs are all that keep me sane.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "suburban dude" |
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| Title: Re: When you grow a backbone using CBT, you will probably lose friends. |
01 Jul 2007 11:19:05 AM |
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On Jul 1, 10:27 am, Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've found getting more confidence using CBT similar to a fishing
bobber. When you're deep in depression you're like a bobber that has
been weighted down to the bottom with a bunch of sinkers.
You're irrational beliefs are the sinkers that hold you down on the
bottom and if you're at the bottom you don't even realize it's your
own irrational beliefs holding you down.
And while you're down there you look for someone else to pull you up,
but since most of the people have never been down there with you and
gotten out of it there aren't a lot of people who can show you the way
up. They tell you to "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", but they
can't show you how. They haven't done it themselves.
When you start to throw off your irrational beliefs using CBT some
people around you are going to see that as a threat and try to keep
you in your place. Don't give that a second thought. As you throw
off your sinkers you will find a better circle of friends who support
your growth. Take pen and paper in hand and dispute those irrational
beliefs for at least 30 minutes daily. If you have learned CBT
correctly from someone who knows it you will see what I mean.
what's CBT ?
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: When you grow a backbone using CBT, you will probably lose friends. |
01 Jul 2007 11:24:23 AM |
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"suburban dude" <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1183306745.201160.293230@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 1, 10:27 am, Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've found getting more confidence using CBT similar to a fishing
bobber. When you're deep in depression you're like a bobber that
has
been weighted down to the bottom with a bunch of sinkers.
You're irrational beliefs are the sinkers that hold you down on the
bottom and if you're at the bottom you don't even realize it's your
own irrational beliefs holding you down.
And while you're down there you look for someone else to pull you
up,
but since most of the people have never been down there with you and
gotten out of it there aren't a lot of people who can show you the
way
up. They tell you to "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", but
they
can't show you how. They haven't done it themselves.
When you start to throw off your irrational beliefs using CBT some
people around you are going to see that as a threat and try to keep
you in your place. Don't give that a second thought. As you throw
off your sinkers you will find a better circle of friends who
support
your growth. Take pen and paper in hand and dispute those
irrational
beliefs for at least 30 minutes daily. If you have learned CBT
correctly from someone who knows it you will see what I mean.
what's CBT ?
cellery and bacon on toast
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| User: "Nom dePlume" |
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| Title: Re: When you grow a backbone using CBT, you will probably lose friends. |
01 Jul 2007 09:24:46 PM |
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"suburban dude" <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1183306745.201160.293230@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
what's CBT ?
Take your pick....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBT
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.mentalmeds.org
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: When you grow a backbone using CBT, you will probably lose friends. |
01 Jul 2007 09:30:14 PM |
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On Jul 1, 7:24 pm, "Nom dePlume" <nomdeplume1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"suburban dude" <suburbanl...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1183306745.201160.293230@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
what's CBT ?
Take your pick....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBT
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Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:http://www.mentalmeds.org
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That's classic Nom! I like this one myself...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_BattleTech
~Rose
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: When you grow a backbone using CBT, you will probably lose friends. |
01 Jul 2007 12:23:56 PM |
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In article <1183306745.201160.293230@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
suburban dude <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote:
what's CBT ?
Concentrated Bootstrap Tension.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: When you grow a backbone using CBT, you will probably lose friends. |
01 Jul 2007 12:52:44 PM |
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In message <1183306745.201160.293230@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
suburban dude <suburbanlife@mail.com> writes
On Jul 1, 10:27 am, Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've found getting more confidence using CBT similar to a fishing
bobber. When you're deep in depression you're like a bobber that has
been weighted down to the bottom with a bunch of sinkers.
You're irrational beliefs are the sinkers that hold you down on the
bottom and if you're at the bottom you don't even realize it's your
own irrational beliefs holding you down.
And while you're down there you look for someone else to pull you up,
but since most of the people have never been down there with you and
gotten out of it there aren't a lot of people who can show you the way
up. They tell you to "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", but they
can't show you how. They haven't done it themselves.
When you start to throw off your irrational beliefs using CBT some
people around you are going to see that as a threat and try to keep
you in your place. Don't give that a second thought. As you throw
off your sinkers you will find a better circle of friends who support
your growth. Take pen and paper in hand and dispute those irrational
beliefs for at least 30 minutes daily. If you have learned CBT
correctly from someone who knows it you will see what I mean.
what's CBT ?
Cabbage and beet therapy. It's a diet to relieve the symptoms of
stupidity, hence Fast Recovery's interest.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "invis" |
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| Title: Re: When you grow a backbone using CBT, you will probably lose friends. |
01 Jul 2007 05:11:52 PM |
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On Jul 1, 12:19?pm, suburban dude <suburbanl...@mail.com> wrote:
what's CBT ?- Hide quoted text -
Cut Back on Truth.
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| User: "" |
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01 Jul 2007 09:51:17 PM |
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On Jul 1, 8:27 am, Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've found getting more confidence using CBT similar to a fishing
bobber. When you're deep in depression you're like a bobber that has
been weighted down to the bottom with a bunch of sinkers.
You're irrational beliefs are the sinkers that hold you down on the
bottom and if you're at the bottom you don't even realize it's your
own irrational beliefs holding you down.
And while you're down there you look for someone else to pull you up,
but since most of the people have never been down there with you and
gotten out of it there aren't a lot of people who can show you the way
up. They tell you to "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", but they
can't show you how. They haven't done it themselves.
When you start to throw off your irrational beliefs using CBT some
people around you are going to see that as a threat and try to keep
you in your place. Don't give that a second thought. As you throw
off your sinkers you will find a better circle of friends who support
your growth. Take pen and paper in hand and dispute those irrational
beliefs for at least 30 minutes daily. If you have learned CBT
correctly from someone who knows it you will see what I mean.
In case you missed the thread I directed at you....
If the only tool you have is a hammer (CBT) you tend to treat
everything like a nail. Providers of mental health care are trained
to use all the tools that they are trained to use, not just using one
specific approach.
Glen O. Gabbard, M.D. published by the American Psychiatric
Assotitation:
"Virtually all major psychiatric disorders are complex amalgams of
genetic diatheses and environmental influences. Genes and environment
are inextricably connected in shaping human behavior. Experience
shuts
down the transcriptional function of some genes, while turning on
that
of others (3). As Michael Rutter has emphasized, "Genetic influences,
as they apply to individual differences in the liability to show
particular behaviors, are strong and pervasive but rarely
determinative" (4, p. 996). Similarly, psychosocial stressors, such
as
interpersonal TRAUMA, HAVE PROFOUND EFFECTS OF A BIOLOGICAL NATURE by
changing the functioning of the brain. Teasing apart biological and
psychosocial phenomena may be a formidable challenge when treating a
patient. Finally, to think of psychotherapy as a treatment for
"psychologically based disorders" and medications as a treatment for
"biological or brain-based disorders" is to make a specious
(plausible
but not true) distinction....
In clinical work with patients, mind and brain ARE INTIMATELY
CONNECTED connected and can never be separated....it is problematic
to
lump together terms such as "genes," "brain," and "biological," as
though they are separate and distinct from terms such as
"environment," "mind," and "psychosocial." Psychosocial events may
result in persisting biological alterations in the brain...."
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/162/4/648
Studies agree that both antidepressants and psychotherapy are
effective treatments for depression. There is even agreement that a
combination of the two may be more effective than either alone. It
may
well be that one treatment is likely to be more effective than the
other for a particular person. The art and science of psychology and
psychiatry are not yet refined enough to be able to predict which
treatment will be more effective for a given person.
A large-scale study in 2000 showed substantially higher results of
response and remission when a form of cognitive behavior therapy AND
an anti-depressant drug were combined than when either method was
used
alone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy
Michael Thase, MD (Pittsburgh, PA), followed with a presentation in
which he contended that symptom severity of depression is the
critical
dimension for predicting treatment response. Although depressive
disorders are heterogeneous (composed of parts of different kinds;
having widely dissimilar elements or constituents),a unitary
dimension
of symptom severity conveys important descriptive and prognostic
information. As depression severity increases, the probability of
clinical and biological correlates of dysphoric activation increases.
Clinical correlates of high pre-treatment severity include
melancholic
features, psychotic features, comorbid anxiety and neuroticism,
borderline personality disorder, and suicidality. Neurobiological
correlates include hypercortisolism, changes in regional cerebral
metabolism (increased activation of amygdala, decreased activation of
prefrontal cortical structures), and increased peripheral levels of
norepinephrine metabolites. Increased symptom severity has important
treatment implications including longer time to remission and
recovery, a lower absolute likelihood of remission or recovery within
6-8 weeks, relatively lower likelihood of placebo response compared
to
antidepressant response, and a greater likelihood of response to
combined psychotherapy and pharmacotherapy compared to treatment with
either alone
http://72.14.253.104/custom?q=cache:8OOeTEtdO0sJ:https://www.psych.or...
~Rose, biologically and mentally depressed
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