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"Alan Harding" |
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19 Feb 2004 01:04:13 AM |
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Yesterday, at the psychiatrist's |
Normal session - How am I doing? What's Wynne up to, to make me feel
ill? The usual stuff. We're just winding up when I mention the brain
flip I'd had at the supermarket the other week, then it's Action
Stations!
'Intense depersonalisation episode'. Apparently it can be caused by
anxiety (which I certainly suffer from) or temporal lobe epilepsy, which
I'm now to have an EEG to test for. It doesn't give you fits, but I
still don't need anything else to be wrong with me.
I think I'll develop something genetic next time, like blond hair.
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The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: Yesterday, at the psychiatrist's |
19 Feb 2004 01:21:52 AM |
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"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dVF0PdWt$FNAFwgy@harding.demon.co.uk...
Normal session - How am I doing? What's Wynne up to, to make me feel
ill? The usual stuff. We're just winding up when I mention the brain
flip I'd had at the supermarket the other week, then it's Action
Stations!
'Intense depersonalisation episode'. Apparently it can be caused by
anxiety (which I certainly suffer from) or temporal lobe epilepsy, which
I'm now to have an EEG to test for. It doesn't give you fits, but I
still don't need anything else to be wrong with me.
I think I'll develop something genetic next time, like blond hair.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
wear a fig leaf , they love it
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: Yesterday, at the psychiatrist's |
19 Feb 2004 01:52:08 AM |
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In message <1038p1093hjt4d1@corp.supernews.com>, %
<surfs@uniserve.?.invalid> writes
"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dVF0PdWt$FNAFwgy@harding.demon.co.uk...
Normal session - How am I doing? What's Wynne up to, to make me feel
ill? The usual stuff. We're just winding up when I mention the brain
flip I'd had at the supermarket the other week, then it's Action
Stations!
'Intense depersonalisation episode'. Apparently it can be caused by
anxiety (which I certainly suffer from) or temporal lobe epilepsy, which
I'm now to have an EEG to test for. It doesn't give you fits, but I
still don't need anything else to be wrong with me.
I think I'll develop something genetic next time, like blond hair.
wear a fig leaf , they love it
There's a fig tree down the road, I can nick leaves from there. One up
each nostril, isn't it?
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Kattareena" |
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| Title: Re: Yesterday, at the psychiatrist's |
19 Feb 2004 07:35:28 AM |
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From: Alan Harding
'Intense depersonalisation episode'. Apparently it can be caused by
anxiety (which I certainly suffer from) or temporal lobe epilepsy, which
I'm now to have an EEG to test for. It doesn't give you fits,
Try not to worry too much about it, easier said than done i know. I've not been
around much lately so missed reading about the "brain flip". i was sent for
tests for temporal lobe epilepsy wayyyyyy back when i first started therapy, it
was basically to rule it out so they could start work on the
depersonalisation/derealism symtoms i was experiencing.
Depersonalisation is one of the most horrible things i've ever experienced, for
me it feels dangerous. I hope things go ok for you with this.
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| User: "jake" |
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| Title: Re: Yesterday, at the psychiatrist's |
20 Feb 2004 07:28:26 AM |
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I have had it in different phases of my life. Not to the same degree as the
both of you, I suspect. It never bothered me. Although now, when I feel it
coming on, I try to stay ahead of it. Which has been working so far. It
helps that my lover makes me feel safe in general, so I feel more relaxed,
which suppresses the symptoms.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: Yesterday, at the psychiatrist's |
19 Feb 2004 09:54:19 AM |
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In message <20040219083528.13694.00001696@mb-m27.aol.com>, Kattareena
<kattareena@aol.com> writes
From: Alan Harding
'Intense depersonalisation episode'. Apparently it can be caused by
anxiety (which I certainly suffer from) or temporal lobe epilepsy, which
I'm now to have an EEG to test for. It doesn't give you fits,
Try not to worry too much about it, easier said than done i know. I've not been
around much lately so missed reading about the "brain flip". i was sent for
tests for temporal lobe epilepsy wayyyyyy back when i first started therapy, it
was basically to rule it out so they could start work on the
depersonalisation/derealism symtoms i was experiencing.
Depersonalisation is one of the most horrible things i've ever experienced, for
me it feels dangerous. I hope things go ok for you with this.
I certainly didn't enjoy it, but really severe depression feels worse,
for me. Anyway, it only lasted for an hour or so - from when I was
locking the car up in the car park, through the supermarket (it's fun
picking up things you would swear weren't actually there) and faded as I
unloaded the trolley into the boot. It feels like an anxiety event, from
the timing - I've had problems with Sainsbury's before, and not just
with their inadequate range of leaf teas.
Wynne has derealisation, all the time he's awake. Sometimes it's worse
than at others, but it's there all the time. At least mine was only an
episode (though that seems to imply more, doesn't it?).
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Kattareena" |
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19 Feb 2004 02:46:37 PM |
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From: Alan Harding
Anyway, it only lasted for an hour or so - from when I was
locking the car up in the car park, through the supermarket (it's fun
picking up things you would swear weren't actually there) and faded as I
unloaded the trolley into the boot. It feels like an anxiety event, from
the timing -
certainly sounds like it, any med changes recently?
I've had problems with Sainsbury's before,
This is EXACTLY why i shop in Tesco :)
Wynne has derealisation, all the time he's awake. Sometimes it's worse
than at others, but it's there all the time. At least mine was only an
episode (though that seems to imply more, doesn't it?).
I used to experience both symptoms regularly, thankfully it rarely happens now,
several months ago maybe even as long as a year was the last time. I remember
the time my friend caught me mid- episode, i had been driving and suddenly
nothing was real, everything faded round the edges and the road seemed to move
of it's own accord <i often feel as though everything in the world goes soft
and nothing is solid anymore. Sometimes i would be afraid to put my foot on the
pavement in case i sank>. I turned up at my friends in a dazed state, she is
also a psych nurse and as i began to talk, which is ok for me to do when this
happens because .....hey nuthin's real anyway! she began to look quite
concerned. it was her concern that brought me round. i sat in her kitchen
stunned at what had happened, or rather what i had let her see. when my world
became real again i looked at her and said " i am not psychotic this was not a
psychotic episode!"she told me that she knew that but asked me to see a doctor
anyway :)
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Used2Be" |
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19 Feb 2004 03:01:35 PM |
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"Kattareena" <kattareena@aol.com> wrote
I used to experience both symptoms regularly, thankfully it rarely happens
now,
several months ago maybe even as long as a year was the last time. I
remember
the time my friend caught me mid- episode, i had been driving and suddenly
nothing was real, everything faded round the edges and the road seemed to
move
of it's own accord <i often feel as though everything in the world goes
soft
and nothing is solid anymore. Sometimes i would be afraid to put my foot
on the
pavement in case i sank>. I turned up at my friends in a dazed state, she
is
also a psych nurse and as i began to talk, which is ok for me to do when
this
happens because .....hey nuthin's real anyway! she began to look quite
concerned. it was her concern that brought me round. i sat in her kitchen
stunned at what had happened, or rather what i had let her see. when my
world
became real again i looked at her and said " i am not psychotic this was
not a
psychotic episode!"she told me that she knew that but asked me to see a
doctor
anyway :)
now you got my curiosity up. what did you say (or do) exactly that had her
so concerned????
details, girl...details!
:)
u2b
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| User: "Kattareena" |
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| Title: Re: Yesterday, at the psychiatrist's |
20 Feb 2004 05:04:03 PM |
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From: "Used2Be"
now you got my curiosity up. what did you say (or do) exactly that had her
so concerned????
I wasn't my usual self, i was in a daze, slow, stilted and probably just
presented as strange, when i spoke about the road moving she became alarmed.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: Yesterday, at the psychiatrist's |
19 Feb 2004 03:23:19 PM |
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In message <20040219154637.19517.00000005@mb-m16.aol.com>, Kattareena
<kattareena@aol.com> writes
From: Alan Harding
Anyway, it only lasted for an hour or so - from when I was
locking the car up in the car park, through the supermarket (it's fun
picking up things you would swear weren't actually there) and faded as I
unloaded the trolley into the boot. It feels like an anxiety event, from
the timing -
certainly sounds like it, any med changes recently?
I've had problems with Sainsbury's before,
This is EXACTLY why i shop in Tesco :)
We have a big new Tesco's only a little further away. The trouble is,
when I went there to try it out, I put my foot out of the car and the
neuroma (swelling on the nerve) in my right foot went berserk. Once I'd
stopped crying and swearing and the pain went away, I drove off and I've
never gone back. I have this problem in going to places I've had trouble
in - once I've fallen off the horse, I want to shoot it for throwing me,
not to get back on.
Wynne has derealisation, all the time he's awake. Sometimes it's worse
than at others, but it's there all the time. At least mine was only an
episode (though that seems to imply more, doesn't it?).
I used to experience both symptoms regularly, thankfully it rarely happens now,
several months ago maybe even as long as a year was the last time. I remember
the time my friend caught me mid- episode, i had been driving and suddenly
nothing was real, everything faded round the edges and the road seemed to move
of it's own accord <i often feel as though everything in the world goes soft
and nothing is solid anymore. Sometimes i would be afraid to put my foot on the
pavement in case i sank>.
I've done that, sunk up to my knees in the pavement while I was walking
along. It's an odd feeling.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Trishamolson" |
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19 Feb 2004 11:41:24 AM |
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Wynne has derealisation, all the time he's awake. Sometimes it's worse
than at others, but it's there all the time
What is this? I don't understand.
Rosena
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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19 Feb 2004 01:34:19 PM |
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In message <20040219124124.03354.00000001@mb-m23.aol.com>, Trishamolson
<trishamolson@aol.com> writes
Wynne has derealisation, all the time he's awake. Sometimes it's worse
than at others, but it's there all the time
What is this? I don't understand.
This may help:
http://culture.st-and.ac.uk:16080/artsci/cavan/unreal/depder.htm
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The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "old coyote" |
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19 Feb 2004 10:27:52 AM |
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Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:dVF0PdWt
$FNAFwgy@harding.demon.co.uk:
Normal session - How am I doing? What's Wynne up to, to make me feel
ill? The usual stuff. We're just winding up when I mention the brain
flip I'd had at the supermarket the other week, then it's Action
Stations!
'Intense depersonalisation episode'. Apparently it can be caused by
anxiety (which I certainly suffer from) or temporal lobe epilepsy,
which
I'm now to have an EEG to test for. It doesn't give you fits, but I
still don't need anything else to be wrong with me.
I think I'll develop something genetic next time, like blond hair.
Good luck with it Alan.
--
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-=oc=-
"you do not need to bargain your well being" - %
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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19 Feb 2004 10:42:38 AM |
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In message <Xns9494616A2B392theoldcoyote@130.133.1.4>, old coyote
<the_oldcoyote@yahoo.com> writes
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:dVF0PdWt
$FNAFwgy@harding.demon.co.uk:
Normal session - How am I doing? What's Wynne up to, to make me feel
ill? The usual stuff. We're just winding up when I mention the brain
flip I'd had at the supermarket the other week, then it's Action
Stations!
'Intense depersonalisation episode'. Apparently it can be caused by
anxiety (which I certainly suffer from) or temporal lobe epilepsy,
which
I'm now to have an EEG to test for. It doesn't give you fits, but I
still don't need anything else to be wrong with me.
I think I'll develop something genetic next time, like blond hair.
Good luck with it Alan.
I had blond hair as a child, I can probably manage it. :)
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "old coyote" |
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19 Feb 2004 10:49:49 PM |
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Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:Thh3Cso+dONAFwTS@harding.demon.co.uk:
In message <Xns9494616A2B392theoldcoyote@130.133.1.4>, old coyote
<the_oldcoyote@yahoo.com> writes
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:dVF0PdWt
$FNAFwgy@harding.demon.co.uk:
Normal session - How am I doing? What's Wynne up to, to make me feel
ill? The usual stuff. We're just winding up when I mention the brain
flip I'd had at the supermarket the other week, then it's Action
Stations!
'Intense depersonalisation episode'. Apparently it can be caused by
anxiety (which I certainly suffer from) or temporal lobe epilepsy,
which
I'm now to have an EEG to test for. It doesn't give you fits, but I
still don't need anything else to be wrong with me.
I think I'll develop something genetic next time, like blond hair.
Good luck with it Alan.
I had blond hair as a child, I can probably manage it. :)
Im love a good cryptic double entendre. :)
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"Don't punish yourself for imagined sins." - Charles
"you do not need to bargain your well being" - %
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| User: "Trishamolson" |
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19 Feb 2004 09:37:44 AM |
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Dear Alan,
What is going on??? What brain flip?? Why does Wynne make you feel ill? And
what is a depersonalisation episode?
In short are you okay?
Rosena
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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19 Feb 2004 01:05:00 PM |
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In message <20040219103744.25802.00002052@mb-m23.aol.com>, Trishamolson
<trishamolson@aol.com> writes
What is going on???
Beats me.
What brain flip??
First, I was locking up the car in the supermarket car park, and I heard
some other man's voice directly between my ears - 'You really don't want
to be here'. Then things got weird, sort of clear-edged and small and
different - as if you had one of those old-fashioned camera viewfinders
instead of an eye. I went round Sainsbury's not really believing I was
in the building. I got out to the car, and started to unload the trolley
into the boot, wondering how I was going to drive home, and it faded
away.
I've had anxiety problems at Sainsbury's before - it was panic attack
central for a while - so I suspect the episode was anxiety related. Of
course, I'm saying this in almost total ignorance of any form of
epilepsy - all I know is that temporal lobe epilepsy does not involve
fitting, because the psych. said so.
Why does Wynne make you feel ill?
Because I have major anxiety problems, and he triggers me most days.
He's seriously ill himself, and also fourteen, but I still want to
throttle him occasionally. Like yesterday, when he seriously screwed me,
and his mother, aunt, grandma and grandpa, all of whom were expecting
him to come with me to London. We'd bargained and he'd promised, but
promises aren't enough if he decides he's going to have more fun
watching TV. I can rarely fight - my mood just collapses.
And
what is a depersonalisation episode?
I haven't looked it up for months, so I can't say, except what mine was
like. It's on the same page as derealisation, which Wynne has, in
abundance - 24/7 365.
In short are you okay?
Getting by, day by day. Nothing's gone wrong today, which is good. I can
get through days where nothing goes wrong without feeling too much pain.
I had a session with my therapist. We were going to do goal setting, but
he picked up on anger - can't think why.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Trishamolson" |
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19 Feb 2004 03:36:23 PM |
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Alan,
Sorry you went through this -- I read the link you suggested. I can see how it
could be related to intense anxiety I hope it is not epilepsy.
The situation with your son sounds very difficult. And must cause you added
suffering and worry. I am thinking of you.
Rosena
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| User: "jake" |
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20 Feb 2004 07:30:06 AM |
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How bad did the episode feel to you? Is it something that worries you?
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| User: "Whateverafter" |
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20 Feb 2004 06:57:09 PM |
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Subject: Re: Yesterday, at the psychiatrist's
From: "jake"
Date: 2/20/2004 7:30 AM Central America Standard Time
Message-id: <c160cu$1ehk2i$2@ID-196966.news.uni-berlin.de>
How bad did the episode feel to you? Is it something that worries you?
At the times when I lived in that world, and that world is very real to one,
the 'unreal' world, it was very terrifying. Everything else was literally
liquid around me, far away, or I was far away and very small, and there was a
wall of grey between myself and anyone else and their voices were far away.
Among many other terrifying things. At some times I lived this existence for
over a year at a time.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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21 Feb 2004 01:58:19 AM |
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In message <c160cu$1ehk2i$2@ID-196966.news.uni-berlin.de>, jake
<kaaskoper@hotmail.com> writes
How bad did the episode feel to you? Is it something that worries you?
I certainly didn't enjoy it;; distinctly uncomfortable, and difficult to
get through my tasks while it was happening. It was as though I'd
stepped into a new world, with different physical rules that I didn't
know.
My main worry is that it may happen while I'm driving, but that's my
main worry with migraine, too, and that's only happened once in thirty
years. (I was in a supermarket rather than behind the wheel, but I was
forty miles from home, on my own. I obviously have a thing about
supermarkets.)
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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