johnniemccoy@ <johnniemccoy@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:

At risk of pissing off all those who've cured their DPN with huge doses
of
amazing supplements... if you actually have neuropathy in your feet, the
nerves ain't comin' back - period. If it goes away, it ain't neuropathy.
Take all the steps necessary to try to keep it from getting worse -
strict
bg control, good diet, vitamins and supplements, etc, - but pain control,
and simply learning to live with it, is all you can do about damage
already
done.

Neuropathy in general (i.e all kinds, not just diabetic) at the stage
of axonal destruction will recover by normal nerve regeneration
process if the destructive conditions are removed. If it has gone as
far as nerve cell death it is irreversible. The definition of
neuropathy is symptomatic and includes axonal damage as well as
complete nerve cell death. It used to be considered that diabetic
neuropathy was irreversible simply because diabetic BG control was too
poor to permit axonal regeneration. You do need much better BG control
than most doctors recommend, and better than some even believe is
possible, for axonal regeneration to take place.

Note that in peripheral neuropathy (the typical diabetic kind) nerve
cell axons are long enough for the axon to be in a place where
conditions cause nerve damage, whereas the nerve cell can be further
back (less peripheral) in a place where conditions aren't yet bad
enough to cause nerve damage. So nerve cell degeneration, and eventual
death, won't start to happen until the nerve damaging conditions have
progressed back up the length of the axon to reach the reach cell
itself. So there can be quite a long time, many years in a slowly
progressing case, when diabetic peripheral neuropathy is restricted to
axonal damage.

Of course if you develop diabetic neuropathy while being treated for
diabetes, then since diabetes is irreversible, you'll never be able to
recover from diabetic neuropathy if you stay on the same kind of
treatment regime. A dramatic step change improvement in BG control
would be required, and how could that possibly happen?

It certainly won't happen if your treatment is in the hands of experts
except at those rare times when a dramatic new improved BG control
regime has been discovered which permits your experts to improve your
BG control a lot.

--
Chris Malcolm

The affected area HAS moved down my shins about 4 inches so far, so
hopefully it will progress all the way down soon.

"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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<WtHpj.26$fl...@newsfe06.lga>, "DarkSentinel"
<darkmungesenti...@munge.charter.munge.net> =A0wrote:

Ok, had my first ever EMG last week. For those that haven't had one yet=

it's short for Electromyogram/Electromyography.

Why did they do it? What information were they looking for? What did the=

find? Or, have I misunderstood & it was meant to be used therapeutically=

Went to the pain clinic here as my PCP doesn't treat chronic pain. Told hi=

what happening with my legs and feet. He did the manual tests on them.
Reflex hammer, Vampire Wheel thingie, Tuning Fork. Apparently didn't like
those results and ordered the EMG. Found that I DO have the DPN (duh), but=

haven't gotten the full results back yet.

I had mentioned about my legs/feet problems in a previous thread a few
weeks
back. Thought it was my nerves coming back, but in actuality seems like=
my
DPN is getting worse...:(

I =A0think it's very possible for things to seem to be going one directi=

when they should go another.

Boy am I finding THAT out....:(

There are things that can be done that *may* improve the state of
neuropathy
and/or prevent it from getting any worse. There are things that can be
done
that help dealing with the pain.

Good BG control, Rx, supplements, diabetic shoes, walking or other foot
exercise, good socks, good habits in taking care of your feet daily, etc=

I've found Lyrica to have effectiveness, but not total effectiveness, an=

I
really hate taking it. But, I do. I've found good tight BG control to ha=

effectiveness but not total effectiveness. I'm convinced that ALA & EPO
supplements help, personally. I was amazed at how my feet felt when I go=

diabetic shoes. I mean they are the first shoes I've had in many many
years
that do not make my feet hurt nearly as much. They don't actually feel
good,
but they come close. They sorta don't feel bad if that makes sense. I
regularly massage my feet & rub things into them.

If this is all stuff you've heard before, sorry to repeat, unless going
back
over it, at least is reassuring.

One thing I have done from get go is take care of my feet. Always had cats=
so knew that was a danger. Got my bg's under control finally, and yes, LOV=

my diabetic shoes. Have not tried the ALA & EPO supplements, and will look=
into them. Lynn does the massaging for me, and is currently using the
Udderly Smooth - Udder Cream. This actually works great. Feet aren't all
peeling and scaling now.

And NO comments from the Peanut Gallery about the Udder Cream...LOL

--
T2 - Oct. '96 - Lantus, oral meds, diethttp://www.lockergnome.com/darksent=

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"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message
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In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:57:25 -0800 in Msg.#
<WtHpj.26$fl7.6@newsfe06.lga>, "DarkSentinel"
<darkmungesentinel@munge.charter.munge.net> wrote:

Ok, had my first ever EMG last week. For those that haven't had one yet,
it's short for Electromyogram/Electromyography.

Why did they do it? What information were they looking for? What did they
find? Or, have I misunderstood & it was meant to be used therapeutically?

Went to the pain clinic here as my PCP doesn't treat chronic pain. Told him
what happening with my legs and feet. He did the manual tests on them.
Reflex hammer, Vampire Wheel thingie, Tuning Fork. Apparently didn't like
those results and ordered the EMG. Found that I DO have the DPN (duh), but I
haven't gotten the full results back yet.

I had mentioned about my legs/feet problems in a previous thread a few
weeks
back. Thought it was my nerves coming back, but in actuality seems like
my
DPN is getting worse...:(

I think it's very possible for things to seem to be going one direction
when they should go another.

Boy am I finding THAT out....:(

There are things that can be done that *may* improve the state of
neuropathy
and/or prevent it from getting any worse. There are things that can be
done
that help dealing with the pain.

Good BG control, Rx, supplements, diabetic shoes, walking or other foot
exercise, good socks, good habits in taking care of your feet daily, etc.

I've found Lyrica to have effectiveness, but not total effectiveness, and
I
really hate taking it. But, I do. I've found good tight BG control to have
effectiveness but not total effectiveness. I'm convinced that ALA & EPO
supplements help, personally. I was amazed at how my feet felt when I got
diabetic shoes. I mean they are the first shoes I've had in many many
years
that do not make my feet hurt nearly as much. They don't actually feel
good,
but they come close. They sorta don't feel bad if that makes sense. I
regularly massage my feet & rub things into them.

If this is all stuff you've heard before, sorry to repeat, unless going
back
over it, at least is reassuring.

One thing I have done from get go is take care of my feet. Always had cats
so knew that was a danger. Got my bg's under control finally, and yes, LOVE
my diabetic shoes. Have not tried the ALA & EPO supplements, and will look
into them. Lynn does the massaging for me, and is currently using the
Udderly Smooth - Udder Cream. This actually works great. Feet aren't all
peeling and scaling now.

And NO comments from the Peanut Gallery about the Udder Cream...LOL

"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> a écrit ...

"DarkSentinel" <darkmungesentinel@munge.charter.munge.net> wrote:

It's weird that it pick THAT particular time to do that. What also
baffles
me is the rapid onset in which this happened. Figured once I got my BG's
under control, things would have gotten better, not worse. Has anyone
else
run into this problem?

Mine got worse as nerves healed. It also got bad at lower and lower
bgs - until pain onset happened at pretty well normal numbers; the
slightest pp would set it off. Then bam! No more pain... The whole
process took about a year, from numb to fixed. I also think, now it's
stopped too, that I also had some plantar fasciitis - my feet were not
nice to live with for a while. I don't think mine was ever as painful
as you describe; I think in your position I'd take all the relief the
doc can throw at it whilst you're healing...

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

You guys tell some chilling stories of things that MAY happen to me ...

"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote ...

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:57:25 -0800, "DarkSentinel"
<darkmungesentinel@munge.charter.munge.net> wrote:

It's weird that it pick THAT particular time to do that. What also
baffles
me is the rapid onset in which this happened. Figured once I got my BG's
under control, things would have gotten better, not worse. Has anyone
else
run into this problem?

Mine got worse as nerves healed. It also got bad at lower and lower
bgs - until pain onset happened at pretty well normal numbers; the
slightest pp would set it off. Then bam! No more pain... The whole
process took about a year, from numb to fixed. I also think, now it's
stopped too, that I also had some plantar fasciitis - my feet were not
nice to live with for a while. I don't think mine was ever as painful
as you describe; I think in your position I'd take all the relief the
doc can throw at it whilst you're healing...

I just hate the narcotics. Puked blood for a week when I finally kicked
the freaking stuff a year ago, and am not really keen on going down that
road again. I have a high tolerance for pain, but damn this really sucks.
When he hit me with the big one's I damn near went through the wall. Just
hope it hurries up so I can go off that stuff.

--
T2 - Oct. '96 - Lantus, oral meds, diet
http://www.lockergnome.com/darksentinel
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