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"Godzilla Pimp" |
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16 Sep 2006 01:47:53 PM |
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$1 million per pupil! |
Figger that many kids will spend 20 years in school counting preschool and
college and the average cost per year will be $13,000. That's $260,000 total
(as much as the average house!). Most investment portfolios will return
about 10% per year over 20 years (at least they have). Compounding the
interest, that comes to $916,000...nearly a million bucks!
Wouldn't it be easier just to keep the kid out of school and give him the
million at age 22? Get him a nice encyclopedia and teach him basic math,
English, history, biology and geography yourself. He could get a job and
earn his own pocket money. Let him live in a foreign country for a few years
where he could actually learn a foreign language.
If the million dollars were wisely invested, it could return $100,000/yr for
the rest of the kid's life (he could retire at 22!) and he'd have a million
dollars to leave to his heirs.
GP
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| Title: Re: $1 million per pupil! |
16 Sep 2006 03:23:28 PM |
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Figger that many kids will spend 20 years in school counting preschool and
college and the average cost per year will be $13,000. That's $260,000
total
(as much as the average house!). Most investment portfolios will return
about 10% per year over 20 years (at least they have). Compounding the
interest, that comes to $916,000...nearly a million bucks!
Wouldn't it be easier just to keep the kid out of school and give him the
million at age 22? Get him a nice encyclopedia and teach him basic math,
English, history, biology and geography yourself. He could get a job and
earn his own pocket money. Let him live in a foreign country for a few
years
where he could actually learn a foreign language.
If the million dollars were wisely invested, it could return $100,000/yr
for
the rest of the kid's life (he could retire at 22!) and he'd have a
million
dollars to leave to his heirs.
GP
$1 million per student is cheaper than BushWar.
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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20 Sep 2006 03:42:04 PM |
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"Angry Young Man!" <tossEdwards@bush.net> wrote in message
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Figger that many kids will spend 20 years in school counting preschool
and
college and the average cost per year will be $13,000. That's $260,000
total
(as much as the average house!). Most investment portfolios will return
about 10% per year over 20 years (at least they have). Compounding the
interest, that comes to $916,000...nearly a million bucks!
Wouldn't it be easier just to keep the kid out of school and give him the
million at age 22? Get him a nice encyclopedia and teach him basic math,
English, history, biology and geography yourself. He could get a job and
earn his own pocket money. Let him live in a foreign country for a few
years
where he could actually learn a foreign language.
If the million dollars were wisely invested, it could return $100,000/yr
for
the rest of the kid's life (he could retire at 22!) and he'd have a
million
dollars to leave to his heirs.
GP
$1 million per student is cheaper than BushWar.
Bush controls you...hehehe
GP
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: $1 million per pupil! |
16 Sep 2006 03:19:34 PM |
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
Figger that many kids will spend 20 years in school counting preschool and
college and the average cost per year will be $13,000. That's $260,000 total
(as much as the average house!). Most investment portfolios will return
about 10% per year over 20 years (at least they have).
Some have. Most don't.
Compounding the interest, that comes to $916,000...nearly a million bucks!
Actually not. You are ignoring the time variable. Using your silly
assumptions, the last installment of $13000 only earns income for 1
year instead of 20 years. The net result is that the total value of
$13000 set aside per year over 20 years with 10% compounded interest
is closer to $700,000.
Of course, the estimated return, and the estimated cost per year are
nonsense. Most kids don't attend a preschool, and a little more half
of kids attend college, with only 1/2 of those completing a 4 year
degree. The average cost per year is less than you claim.
Wouldn't it be easier just to keep the kid out of school and give him the
million at age 22?
No.
Get him a nice encyclopedia and teach him basic math,
English, history, biology and geography yourself.
If more people had the time and skills to do that, more people would
homeschool. The fact that preschools are catching on shows that many
parents haven't even got the time and skills to teach their kids up to
kindergarten level.
And it ignores the fact that a substantial portion of the cost of
schooling is a surrogate for day care, which would be an alternate
cost for many if the kids were not in school.
He could get a job and earn his own pocket money. Let him live in a foreign country for a few years
where he could actually learn a foreign language.
If the million dollars were wisely invested, it could return $100,000/yr for
the rest of the kid's life (he could retire at 22!) and he'd have a million
dollars to leave to his heirs.
Feel free to try this stunt with your own kids. No one is stopping
you.
lojbab
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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| Title: Re: $1 million per pupil! |
16 Sep 2006 06:30:10 PM |
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote
Feel free to try this stunt with your own kids. No one is stopping
you.
No one but the feds, state and local governments and the NEA...LOL
GP
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: $1 million per pupil! |
17 Sep 2006 10:20:56 AM |
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote
Feel free to try this stunt with your own kids. No one is stopping
you.
No one but the feds, state and local governments and the NEA...LOL
There are ways to homeschool in every state. No one is stopping you.
lojbab
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| User: "Logan Shaw" |
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17 Sep 2006 11:15:41 AM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote
Feel free to try this stunt with your own kids. No one is stopping
you.
No one but the feds, state and local governments and the NEA...LOL
There are ways to homeschool in every state. No one is stopping you.
Of course, it may not be any cheaper, and it's certainly much more work...
- Logan
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| User: "Shawn Hirn" |
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17 Sep 2006 08:05:48 PM |
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In article <6O%Og.13126$xQ1.10815@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote
Feel free to try this stunt with your own kids. No one is stopping
you.
No one but the feds, state and local governments and the NEA...LOL
The feds? Nope, not at all. States can certainly allow home schooling. I
have two or three friends who never attended school and they are doing
well as adults. They were all home schooled with supervision by the
local school district. One of my colleagues is home schooling his two
children. No interference at all by any government agency other than to
make sure the parents cover a good curriculum.
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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20 Sep 2006 04:29:59 PM |
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"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-0D5645.21054817092006@news.giganews.com...
In article <6O%Og.13126$xQ1.10815@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote
Feel free to try this stunt with your own kids. No one is stopping
you.
No one but the feds, state and local governments and the NEA...LOL
The feds? Nope, not at all. States can certainly allow home schooling. I
have two or three friends who never attended school and they are doing
well as adults. They were all home schooled with supervision by the
local school district. One of my colleagues is home schooling his two
children. No interference at all by any government agency other than to
make sure the parents cover a good curriculum.
But they STILL make you pay the $10,000 for public school whether you use it
or not. Get it?
GP
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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20 Sep 2006 06:26:47 PM |
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
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In article <6O%Og.13126$xQ1.10815@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote
Feel free to try this stunt with your own kids. No one is stopping
you.
No one but the feds, state and local governments and the NEA...LOL
The feds? Nope, not at all. States can certainly allow home schooling. I
have two or three friends who never attended school and they are doing
well as adults. They were all home schooled with supervision by the
local school district. One of my colleagues is home schooling his two
children. No interference at all by any government agency other than to
make sure the parents cover a good curriculum.
But they STILL make you pay the $10,000 for public school whether you use it
or not. Get it?
They do? I have never paid half that much in school taxes, even
though I've had two kids go through the schools.
lojbab
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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| Title: Re: $1 million per pupil! |
22 Sep 2006 06:00:25 PM |
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-0D5645.21054817092006@news.giganews.com...
In article <6O%Og.13126$xQ1.10815@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote
Feel free to try this stunt with your own kids. No one is stopping
you.
No one but the feds, state and local governments and the NEA...LOL
The feds? Nope, not at all. States can certainly allow home schooling. I
have two or three friends who never attended school and they are doing
well as adults. They were all home schooled with supervision by the
local school district. One of my colleagues is home schooling his two
children. No interference at all by any government agency other than to
make sure the parents cover a good curriculum.
But they STILL make you pay the $10,000 for public school whether you use
it
or not. Get it?
They do? I have never paid half that much in school taxes, even
though I've had two kids go through the schools.
lojbab
Funny, cuz that's what it costs. Maybe the Tooth Fairy is paying the rest.
GP
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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22 Sep 2006 09:33:42 PM |
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
They do? I have never paid half that much in school taxes, even
though I've had two kids go through the schools.
Funny, cuz that's what it costs. Maybe the Tooth Fairy is paying the rest.
The government is paying all of it. They will pay all of it whether I
pay millions in taxes, or whether I pay no taxes at all.
lojbab
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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26 Sep 2006 04:31:49 PM |
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
They do? I have never paid half that much in school taxes, even
though I've had two kids go through the schools.
Funny, cuz that's what it costs. Maybe the Tooth Fairy is paying the rest.
The government is paying all of it. They will pay all of it whether I
pay millions in taxes, or whether I pay no taxes at all.
lojbab
Are you some kind of ***** retard? Where the ***** to you think the gov't
gets all their fucking money. dumbass?
GP
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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26 Sep 2006 07:45:58 PM |
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
They do? I have never paid half that much in school taxes, even
though I've had two kids go through the schools.
Funny, cuz that's what it costs. Maybe the Tooth Fairy is paying the rest.
The government is paying all of it. They will pay all of it whether I
pay millions in taxes, or whether I pay no taxes at all.
Are you some kind of ***** retard? Where the ***** to you think the gov't
gets all their fucking money. dumbass?
From taxes. But not necessarily from my taxes or your taxes. People
with kids seldom make as much money as older people with empty nests
and real estate investments. I'm just now getting close to the point
where my family's total tax burden costs about the same as what ONE of
my kids cost for a year of schooling. But of course I no longer have
any kids in school, so my taxes are not paying for my kids' education
but for others' education.
lojbab
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| User: "jk" |
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28 Sep 2006 12:05:56 PM |
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At some risk, I jump into the discussion with the following simple
questions. Questions that came to mind when I saw a headline in todays
Boston Globe, "Cost of Iraq War Nearly $2b Per Week". Holy Sh**!
$2b/week. I thought to myself, "I wonder how many kids we could send to
college for free with that kind of money?" "I wonder how much is spent
nation wide on tuition for every single person that goes to college?"
My daughter attends a wonderful school in the New England area that is
costing me aprox. $50k/year. Do the math folks, $2b/$50k= 40,000 kids.
Now multiply that number times 52 (weeks per year) you get, 2,080,000.
Two million kids.
That's a big number. Wonder how many kids go to college? Not clear but
googling around I came up with a number of around 1.6M- 1.8M. Thats all
levels, undergrad, grad, post grad and part time. Something to think
about as I ponder how the hell I'm going to come up with next semesters
tuition. Your comments would be appreciated. Thanks.
john
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
They do? I have never paid half that much in school taxes, even
though I've had two kids go through the schools.
Funny, cuz that's what it costs. Maybe the Tooth Fairy is paying the rest.
The government is paying all of it. They will pay all of it whether I
pay millions in taxes, or whether I pay no taxes at all.
Are you some kind of ***** retard? Where the ***** to you think the gov't
gets all their fucking money. dumbass?
From taxes. But not necessarily from my taxes or your taxes. People
with kids seldom make as much money as older people with empty nests
and real estate investments. I'm just now getting close to the point
where my family's total tax burden costs about the same as what ONE of
my kids cost for a year of schooling. But of course I no longer have
any kids in school, so my taxes are not paying for my kids' education
but for others' education.
lojbab
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| User: "mer" |
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20 Sep 2006 04:48:20 PM |
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Godzilla Pimp wrote:
But they STILL make you pay the $10,000 for public school whether you use it
or not. Get it?
and they make you pay for GW's Iraq invasion, roads in Alaska, ND, etc
and exorbitant defense contractor contracts, trips to the moon, etc
whether you use them or not.
So what's your point?
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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20 Sep 2006 05:18:43 PM |
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"mer" <mer7X@cox.net> wrote in message
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Godzilla Pimp wrote:
But they STILL make you pay the $10,000 for public school whether you use
it or not. Get it?
and they make you pay for GW's Iraq invasion, roads in Alaska, ND, etc and
exorbitant defense contractor contracts, trips to the moon, etc whether
you use them or not.
So what's your point?
Bush runs your life...hehehe
GP
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| User: "robw" |
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20 Sep 2006 05:19:53 PM |
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No, he doesn't.
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"mer" <mer7X@cox.net> wrote in message
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Godzilla Pimp wrote:
But they STILL make you pay the $10,000 for public school whether you
use
it or not. Get it?
and they make you pay for GW's Iraq invasion, roads in Alaska, ND, etc
and
exorbitant defense contractor contracts, trips to the moon, etc whether
you use them or not.
So what's your point?
Bush runs your life...hehehe
GP
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| User: "Shawn Hirn" |
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20 Sep 2006 04:58:46 PM |
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In article <rpiQg.143$o71.21@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-0D5645.21054817092006@news.giganews.com...
In article <6O%Og.13126$xQ1.10815@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote
Feel free to try this stunt with your own kids. No one is stopping
you.
No one but the feds, state and local governments and the NEA...LOL
The feds? Nope, not at all. States can certainly allow home schooling. I
have two or three friends who never attended school and they are doing
well as adults. They were all home schooled with supervision by the
local school district. One of my colleagues is home schooling his two
children. No interference at all by any government agency other than to
make sure the parents cover a good curriculum.
But they STILL make you pay the $10,000 for public school whether you use it
or not. Get it?
Yes. What's your point?
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| User: "robw" |
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16 Sep 2006 07:49:29 PM |
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Wow.
You have allot pf work.
Up for it?
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote
Feel free to try this stunt with your own kids. No one is stopping
you.
No one but the feds, state and local governments and the NEA...LOL
GP
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| User: "Logan Shaw" |
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16 Sep 2006 03:02:09 PM |
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Godzilla Pimp wrote:
Figger that many kids will spend 20 years in school counting preschool and
college and the average cost per year will be $13,000. That's $260,000 total
(as much as the average house!). Most investment portfolios will return
about 10% per year over 20 years (at least they have). Compounding the
interest, that comes to $916,000...nearly a million bucks!
Wouldn't it be easier just to keep the kid out of school and give him the
million at age 22? Get him a nice encyclopedia and teach him basic math,
English, history, biology and geography yourself.
Before offering your opinions on how to teach math, you might want to
consider learning some math yourself, because your analysis is way off.
First off, I get $819,032 if you put $13,000 into savings per year, earn
10% interest, and it gets compounded annually for 20 years. $829,504
if it's compounded monthly, and $830,541 if it's compounded daily.
But more importantly, that's not the right calculation to be doing. You
need to consider two things where your analysis doesn't correspond to
reality very well at all. First of all, the most expensive schooling
is college, which comes at the end. That means most of the money has
to be paid at the end. If you are putting the money into savings that
you would have put into education, you are putting more of the money
into savings at the very end. So your interest is actually a lot
lower than if you put it in evenly over a period of years.
Second of all, and more importantly, even if you decide to give your
child no education at all, it's still going to cost money to raise them.
In fact, since primary and secondary schools are taxpayer-supported and
don't pass much cost on to the individual parents, there is not much
difference in cost between sending your kids to school versus just
raising them with no education at all. In fact, it might actually be
CHEAPER to send the kids to school. Yeah, you've got to buy school
supplies, but I have friends with a 4 year old kid, and they spend
$400/month on daycare. When he starts school in a year, they will
save most of that money. That's $3600/year they'll save!
Finally, as I recall, studies show that a college education, which
still costs way less than $1 million, will raise your lifetime
earning potential (on average!) by over $1 million. So, by giving
your kid all the money you would've spent to send them to college,
you're actually giving them less wealth overall.
Of course, none of this is really relevant since you're a troll, but
oh well.
- Logan
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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16 Sep 2006 04:26:20 PM |
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"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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Godzilla Pimp wrote:
Figger that many kids will spend 20 years in school counting preschool
and
college and the average cost per year will be $13,000. That's $260,000
total
(as much as the average house!). Most investment portfolios will return
about 10% per year over 20 years (at least they have). Compounding the
interest, that comes to $916,000...nearly a million bucks!
Wouldn't it be easier just to keep the kid out of school and give him the
million at age 22? Get him a nice encyclopedia and teach him basic math,
English, history, biology and geography yourself.
Before offering your opinions on how to teach math, you might want to
consider learning some math yourself, because your analysis is way off.
First off, I get $819,032 if you put $13,000 into savings per year, earn
10% interest, and it gets compounded annually for 20 years. $829,504
if it's compounded monthly, and $830,541 if it's compounded daily.
But more importantly, that's not the right calculation to be doing. You
need to consider two things where your analysis doesn't correspond to
reality very well at all. First of all, the most expensive schooling
is college, which comes at the end. That means most of the money has
to be paid at the end. If you are putting the money into savings that
you would have put into education, you are putting more of the money
into savings at the very end. So your interest is actually a lot
lower than if you put it in evenly over a period of years.
Yeah, it looks like I used 21 years instead of 20. But given the massive
greed of the NEA and the huge increases in college tuition, I'm confident
that the figure would be closer to $2 million, even taking inflation into
account.
Second of all, and more importantly, even if you decide to give your
child no education at all,
I didn't say that. Memorizing a good encyclopedia (pre-1970 from a yard sale
or ebay would be best) would probably give a kid a better education than the
NEA and commie profs could provide.
it's still going to cost money to raise them.
My original post had nothing to do with that.
In fact, since primary and secondary schools are taxpayer-supported and
don't pass much cost on to the individual parents, there is not much
difference in cost between sending your kids to school versus just
raising them with no education at all.
My original post assumed that the money spent on the kid's education would
be sent into and investment account. Didn't you notice?
In fact, it might actually be
CHEAPER to send the kids to school. Yeah, you've got to buy school
supplies, but I have friends with a 4 year old kid, and they spend
$400/month on daycare. When he starts school in a year, they will
save most of that money. That's $3600/year they'll save!
Oh, I guess the Tooth Fairy pays it.
Finally, as I recall, studies show that a college education, which
still costs way less than $1 million, will raise your lifetime
earning potential (on average!) by over $1 million. So, by giving
your kid all the money you would've spent to send them to college,
you're actually giving them less wealth overall.
This is bunk. The reason college grads earn more has little to do with what
they have learned in college. Employers don't even ask about your grades.
College is basically an extremely expensive intelligence and social class
pre-screening device. You could accomplish the same thing with IQ tests and
asking about your parent's tax return but that's illegal in the US.
Of course, none of this is really relevant since you're a troll, but
oh well.
Ah, good ol' ad hominem
- Logan
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17 Sep 2006 03:05:14 PM |
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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Godzilla Pimp wrote:
Figger that many kids will spend 20 years in school counting preschool
and
college and the average cost per year will be $13,000. That's $260,000
total
(as much as the average house!). Most investment portfolios will return
about 10% per year over 20 years (at least they have). Compounding the
interest, that comes to $916,000...nearly a million bucks!
Wouldn't it be easier just to keep the kid out of school and give him
the
million at age 22? Get him a nice encyclopedia and teach him basic math,
English, history, biology and geography yourself.
Before offering your opinions on how to teach math, you might want to
consider learning some math yourself, because your analysis is way off.
First off, I get $819,032 if you put $13,000 into savings per year, earn
10% interest, and it gets compounded annually for 20 years. $829,504
if it's compounded monthly, and $830,541 if it's compounded daily.
But more importantly, that's not the right calculation to be doing. You
need to consider two things where your analysis doesn't correspond to
reality very well at all. First of all, the most expensive schooling
is college, which comes at the end. That means most of the money has
to be paid at the end. If you are putting the money into savings that
you would have put into education, you are putting more of the money
into savings at the very end. So your interest is actually a lot
lower than if you put it in evenly over a period of years.
Yeah, it looks like I used 21 years instead of 20. But given the massive
greed of the NEA and the huge increases in college tuition, I'm confident
that the figure would be closer to $2 million, even taking inflation into
account.
Second of all, and more importantly, even if you decide to give your
child no education at all,
I didn't say that. Memorizing a good encyclopedia (pre-1970 from a yard
sale or ebay would be best) would probably give a kid a better education
than the NEA and commie profs could provide.
Thats right, that's how to keep Americas technology leadership. Memorize an
encyclopedia.
This is what's called intelligence in a trailer park.
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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17 Sep 2006 05:09:01 PM |
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"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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Godzilla Pimp wrote:
Figger that many kids will spend 20 years in school counting preschool
and
college and the average cost per year will be $13,000. That's $260,000
total
(as much as the average house!). Most investment portfolios will return
about 10% per year over 20 years (at least they have). Compounding the
interest, that comes to $916,000...nearly a million bucks!
Wouldn't it be easier just to keep the kid out of school and give him
the
million at age 22? Get him a nice encyclopedia and teach him basic
math,
English, history, biology and geography yourself.
Before offering your opinions on how to teach math, you might want to
consider learning some math yourself, because your analysis is way off.
First off, I get $819,032 if you put $13,000 into savings per year, earn
10% interest, and it gets compounded annually for 20 years. $829,504
if it's compounded monthly, and $830,541 if it's compounded daily.
But more importantly, that's not the right calculation to be doing. You
need to consider two things where your analysis doesn't correspond to
reality very well at all. First of all, the most expensive schooling
is college, which comes at the end. That means most of the money has
to be paid at the end. If you are putting the money into savings that
you would have put into education, you are putting more of the money
into savings at the very end. So your interest is actually a lot
lower than if you put it in evenly over a period of years.
Yeah, it looks like I used 21 years instead of 20. But given the massive
greed of the NEA and the huge increases in college tuition, I'm confident
that the figure would be closer to $2 million, even taking inflation into
account.
Second of all, and more importantly, even if you decide to give your
child no education at all,
I didn't say that. Memorizing a good encyclopedia (pre-1970 from a yard
sale or ebay would be best) would probably give a kid a better education
than the NEA and commie profs could provide.
Thats right, that's how to keep Americas technology leadership. Memorize
an encyclopedia.
This is what's called intelligence in a trailer park.
When was the US Civil War fought? How far away is the moon, approximately?
GP
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| User: "Logan Shaw" |
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16 Sep 2006 10:37:43 PM |
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Godzilla Pimp wrote:
"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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In fact, since primary and secondary schools are taxpayer-supported and
don't pass much cost on to the individual parents, there is not much
difference in cost between sending your kids to school versus just
raising them with no education at all.
My original post assumed that the money spent on the kid's education would
be sent into and investment account. Didn't you notice?
Yes, I noticed, but none of the numbers added up. You gave $260,000
as the price of a 20-year education. Since college doesn't cost that
much and (almost always) since most of the time is spent in the phases
before college, the most reasonable interpretation of your statement
was that part of that $260,000 is going to the parts of the education
that come before college.
I'm simply saying that public school (K-12) doesn't cost the parents
that much at all. (Yes, it costs taxpayers money, but we are talking
about parents making a decision to pay for education or save the
money, so that's not really relevant. If the parents decided to skip
the education, it's not like the taxpayers would give them the money
that it would've cost to educate their child!)
In fact, it might actually be
CHEAPER to send the kids to school. Yeah, you've got to buy school
supplies, but I have friends with a 4 year old kid, and they spend
$400/month on daycare. When he starts school in a year, they will
save most of that money. That's $3600/year they'll save!
Oh, I guess the Tooth Fairy pays it.
Nobody pays it. The cost of daycare disappears because there is no
daycare needed. The child will be in school.
Yes, school costs something to operate, but whether the children go
to school does not affect how much the parents pay (and thus how
much they could divert into savings if they didn't have to pay it),
so it's not relevant.
Finally, as I recall, studies show that a college education, which
still costs way less than $1 million, will raise your lifetime
earning potential (on average!) by over $1 million. So, by giving
your kid all the money you would've spent to send them to college,
you're actually giving them less wealth overall.
This is bunk. The reason college grads earn more has little to do with what
they have learned in college. Employers don't even ask about your grades.
Actually, they do, for new college graduates and people who are not
yet established in their careers. I know this because I have a college
degree and have been personally asked what my GPA was on several
occasions.
College is basically an extremely expensive intelligence and social class
pre-screening device. You could accomplish the same thing with IQ tests and
asking about your parent's tax return but that's illegal in the US.
College is, in fact, a bit of a pre-screening device as you say, but it's
more than that. The reason it works as a pre-screening device is also
one of the main things that gives it real value. And the value is that
dropping out of college is easy, but graduating is hard. (I know, because
I've done both.) I've seen a lot of really smart (in fact even brilliant)
people who went to college and did horribly. It takes more than
intellectual ability to graduate. You have to be dedicated to the idea
of doing it even when things get in the way. That is one of the most
valuable things about a college education. It's valuable to employers,
because they know that if you can handle a 4-year project, you can
probably handle theirs, and it's valuable to you, because most of the time,
jobs are easier than college, so you know if you could make it through
college, you can accomplish whatever you need to at work (or otherwise).
Of course, none of this is really relevant since you're a troll, but
oh well.
Ah, good ol' ad hominem
Oh, it's not an ad hominem attack. It's just an observation based on
your behavior, particularly what you chose to put in the "Newsgroups:"
header line.
- Logan
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| User: "robw" |
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16 Sep 2006 05:58:41 PM |
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I'm guessing you don't have a college degree?
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:0_ZOg.2407$UG4.1963@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5LYOg.2953$vD2.328@tornado.texas.rr.com...
Godzilla Pimp wrote:
Figger that many kids will spend 20 years in school counting preschool
and
college and the average cost per year will be $13,000. That's $260,000
total
(as much as the average house!). Most investment portfolios will return
about 10% per year over 20 years (at least they have). Compounding the
interest, that comes to $916,000...nearly a million bucks!
Wouldn't it be easier just to keep the kid out of school and give him
the
million at age 22? Get him a nice encyclopedia and teach him basic
math,
English, history, biology and geography yourself.
Before offering your opinions on how to teach math, you might want to
consider learning some math yourself, because your analysis is way off.
First off, I get $819,032 if you put $13,000 into savings per year, earn
10% interest, and it gets compounded annually for 20 years. $829,504
if it's compounded monthly, and $830,541 if it's compounded daily.
But more importantly, that's not the right calculation to be doing. You
need to consider two things where your analysis doesn't correspond to
reality very well at all. First of all, the most expensive schooling
is college, which comes at the end. That means most of the money has
to be paid at the end. If you are putting the money into savings that
you would have put into education, you are putting more of the money
into savings at the very end. So your interest is actually a lot
lower than if you put it in evenly over a period of years.
Yeah, it looks like I used 21 years instead of 20. But given the massive
greed of the NEA and the huge increases in college tuition, I'm confident
that the figure would be closer to $2 million, even taking inflation into
account.
Second of all, and more importantly, even if you decide to give your
child no education at all,
I didn't say that. Memorizing a good encyclopedia (pre-1970 from a yard
sale
or ebay would be best) would probably give a kid a better education than
the
NEA and commie profs could provide.
it's still going to cost money to raise them.
My original post had nothing to do with that.
In fact, since primary and secondary schools are taxpayer-supported and
don't pass much cost on to the individual parents, there is not much
difference in cost between sending your kids to school versus just
raising them with no education at all.
My original post assumed that the money spent on the kid's education would
be sent into and investment account. Didn't you notice?
In fact, it might actually be
CHEAPER to send the kids to school. Yeah, you've got to buy school
supplies, but I have friends with a 4 year old kid, and they spend
$400/month on daycare. When he starts school in a year, they will
save most of that money. That's $3600/year they'll save!
Oh, I guess the Tooth Fairy pays it.
Finally, as I recall, studies show that a college education, which
still costs way less than $1 million, will raise your lifetime
earning potential (on average!) by over $1 million. So, by giving
your kid all the money you would've spent to send them to college,
you're actually giving them less wealth overall.
This is bunk. The reason college grads earn more has little to do with
what
they have learned in college. Employers don't even ask about your grades.
College is basically an extremely expensive intelligence and social class
pre-screening device. You could accomplish the same thing with IQ tests
and
asking about your parent's tax return but that's illegal in the US.
Of course, none of this is really relevant since you're a troll, but
oh well.
Ah, good ol' ad hominem
- Logan
Berry
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| User: "Napoleon" |
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17 Sep 2006 09:04:44 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:26:20 GMT, "Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net>
wrote:
This is bunk. The reason college grads earn more has little to do with what
they have learned in college. Employers don't even ask about your grades.
College is basically an extremely expensive intelligence and social class
pre-screening device. You could accomplish the same thing with IQ tests and
asking about your parent's tax return but that's illegal in the US.
I totally agree with that statement. Unless you are in a profession
that requires a college education, such education is useless. Better
to save that money and open your own business. lIQ tests would be a
great way to ensure that you are getting a smart employee (if that is
what you are looking for), but IQ tests are deemed elitist for some
reason.
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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20 Sep 2006 03:58:28 PM |
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"Napoleon" <n123@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:26:20 GMT, "Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net>
wrote:
This is bunk. The reason college grads earn more has little to do with
what
they have learned in college. Employers don't even ask about your grades.
College is basically an extremely expensive intelligence and social class
pre-screening device. You could accomplish the same thing with IQ tests
and
asking about your parent's tax return but that's illegal in the US.
I totally agree with that statement. Unless you are in a profession
that requires a college education, such education is useless. Better
to save that money and open your own business. lIQ tests would be a
great way to ensure that you are getting a smart employee (if that is
what you are looking for), but IQ tests are deemed elitist for some
reason.
I should add, a college degree does demonstrate that you can stick to a task
and follow instructions over a period of years (perhaps the most important
trait in an employee). But you could show that by working for two years at
McDonald's or Wal-Mart (or any job) without getting fired.
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| User: "Don K" |
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17 Sep 2006 09:51:54 AM |
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"Napoleon" <n123@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:450d54cb.1339171@news.earthlink.net...
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:26:20 GMT, "Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net>
wrote:
This is bunk. The reason college grads earn more has little to do with what
they have learned in college. Employers don't even ask about your grades.
Not true. The engineering department where I work, looks for grads with
a 3.x grade average and also looks at the courses taken. We don't have
a lot of need to go looking for mediocrity.
College is basically an extremely expensive intelligence and social class
pre-screening device. You could accomplish the same thing with IQ tests and
asking about your parent's tax return but that's illegal in the US.
I totally agree with that statement. Unless you are in a profession
that requires a college education, such education is useless. Better
to save that money and open your own business. lIQ tests would be a
great way to ensure that you are getting a smart employee (if that is
what you are looking for), but IQ tests are deemed elitist for some
reason.
Smart people can be lazy or have some other mental or emotional condition
that prevents them from working effectively. Getting thru college shows
that a person was at least capable of focusing and applying themselves
for 4 years along some line of endeavor that will hopefully be relevant
and useful to a future employer.
Of course if the student didn't take anything that could be applied to
the real-world, then that's their problem.
Most jobs require some sort of on-the-job training to bring new employees
up to speed. The college grad that has taken relevant courses is more likely
to be coming in with a higher baseline of pertinent knowledge.
Don
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| User: "Shawn Hirn" |
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17 Sep 2006 08:02:11 PM |
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In article <tFXOg.12507$bM.11815@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
Figger that many kids will spend 20 years in school counting preschool and
college and the average cost per year will be $13,000. That's $260,000 total
(as much as the average house!). Most investment portfolios will return
about 10% per year over 20 years (at least they have). Compounding the
interest, that comes to $916,000...nearly a million bucks!
Wouldn't it be easier just to keep the kid out of school and give him the
million at age 22? Get him a nice encyclopedia and teach him basic math,
English, history, biology and geography yourself. He could get a job and
earn his own pocket money. Let him live in a foreign country for a few years
where he could actually learn a foreign language.
If the million dollars were wisely invested, it could return $100,000/yr for
the rest of the kid's life (he could retire at 22!) and he'd have a million
dollars to leave to his heirs.
You overlooked some factors. First, the cost to educate a child changes
based on where the child is sent to school. If the child is sent to
public school, like most American kids are, the cost per child for
education drops a lot compared to private school. Home schooling will
not save money over the cost of public school because that's funded by
taxes that each family will have to pay either way.
Probably the most important reason to educate children is so they can
live productive lives as adults and contribute to society either through
paying taxes, public service, or many other ways. Further, an educated
public is essential to the survival of any democracy.
In addition, sending kids to school teaches them some things that go
beyond what's in the textbooks. An uneducated person with millions of
dollars will not take long to be an uneducated person living on the
streets. Money is not the only tool that one needs in order to prosper
in this modern world of ours and learning purely out of books at home is
not effective unless it is done with a great deal of care and thought
(which also costs time and money).
My father once explained to me why it was so important for him to fund
100% of the tuition for my sister and me to attend college. He said that
an education is the most valuable gift anyone could ever have and that
it is something that the government can never take away from us. All my
dad ever asked in return for his funding my sister and me to go to
college was that we use our education wisely, which my sister and I have
both done, to my parents' satisfaction.
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| User: "rick++" |
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18 Sep 2006 12:38:57 PM |
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No, money is a bookkeeping mechanism,
for reallocating human and physical resources.
There is much more wealth in the long run in having
a highly educated population.
China and Indiai may be graduating twice as many engineers
and scientists than the US. In th elong run thats going to
translate into trillions of dollars of wealthincrease for those
countries.
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