Sociology > Education > America may become another third world country due to gutless populist politicians and illegal immigrants who take rather than give.
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05 Sep 2003 03:37:11 PM |
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America may become another third world country due to gutless populist politicians and illegal immigrants who take rather than give. |
COMING TO AMERICA
Behind China and India, the U.S. is the third most populous nation in the
world
and we're fast catching up to the Third World. Census estimates claim the
U.S.
population will double by 2050 and exceed ONE BILLION by 2100. Most of the
projected growth is due to out of control, legal and illegal immigration.
Just to keep up, our infrastructure will have to expand four fold to meet
the
demand. This means we will need four times as much food, water,
electricity,
fuel, housing and other necessities to sustain a population of over ONE
BILLION. With the rapid industrialization of other areas of the world,
natural
resources will be in short supply-some already are. As a result, our
standard
of living will decline and unrest will result.
While many politicians are aware of the pending population time bomb, they
lack
the cahones to speak out on the subject much less do anything about it. The
country your children and grandchildren will inherit will be far different
than
the country you live in today. Many areas will resemble a Third World--even
today some areas of our once great cities are ethnic enclaves where only a
few
residents speak English. This self-inflicted cancer is spreading across
America aided by weak-as-water politicians whose only objective is to get
elected even if it means the destruction of their own country.
While many economists paint a happy face, the sad truth is that America is
on
the decline. Enormous trade deficits and massive legal and illegal
immigration
are sucking the money and lifeblood out of mainstream America. Every
politician
that runs for office should be asked if he intends to reduce legal
immigration
and get tough on illegal aliens. If he doesn't agree, or refuses to answer,
he
doesn't deserve your vote.
Please copy and distribute freely.
___________________________
Origanally posted by Cribsheet
"He who is void of virtuous attachments in private life is, or very soon
will be, void of all regard for his country."
--Samuel Adams
The false charge of racism is simply a tactic to choke off rational
discussion, a strategy of intimidation to silence expression . . . It
is based on a shrewd calculation of the moral cowardice of man . . .
fearful of becoming the target of such abuse.--Sidney Hook
That discussion is of character, not skin color
CB
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"It is better that some should be unhappy than that none should be happy,
which would be the case in a general state of equality."
--Samuel Johnson
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| User: "Jason Sharma" |
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| Title: Re: America may become another third world country due to gutless populist politicians and illegal immigrants who take rather than give. |
05 Sep 2003 07:14:08 PM |
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"CB" <CB@prayforme.com> wrote in message
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COMING TO AMERICA
Behind China and India, the U.S. is the third most populous nation in the
world
and we're fast catching up to the Third World. Census estimates claim the
U.S.
population will double by 2050 and exceed ONE BILLION by 2100. Most of
the
projected growth is due to out of control, legal and illegal immigration.
Just to keep up, our infrastructure will have to expand four fold to meet
the
demand. This means we will need four times as much food, water,
electricity,
fuel, housing and other necessities to sustain a population of over ONE
BILLION. With the rapid industrialization of other areas of the world,
natural
resources will be in short supply-some already are. As a result, our
standard
of living will decline and unrest will result.
While many politicians are aware of the pending population time bomb, they
lack
the cahones to speak out on the subject much less do anything about it.
The
country your children and grandchildren will inherit will be far different
than
the country you live in today. Many areas will resemble a Third
World--even
today some areas of our once great cities are ethnic enclaves where only a
few
residents speak English. This self-inflicted cancer is spreading across
America aided by weak-as-water politicians whose only objective is to get
elected even if it means the destruction of their own country.
While many economists paint a happy face, the sad truth is that America is
on
the decline. Enormous trade deficits and massive legal and illegal
immigration
are sucking the money and lifeblood out of mainstream America. Every
politician
that runs for office should be asked if he intends to reduce legal
immigration
and get tough on illegal aliens. If he doesn't agree, or refuses to
answer,
he
doesn't deserve your vote.
Please copy and distribute freely.
___________________________
Origanally posted by Cribsheet
"He who is void of virtuous attachments in private life is, or very soon
will be, void of all regard for his country."
--Samuel Adams
The false charge of racism is simply a tactic to choke off rational
discussion, a strategy of intimidation to silence expression . . . It
is based on a shrewd calculation of the moral cowardice of man . . .
fearful of becoming the target of such abuse.--Sidney Hook
That discussion is of character, not skin color
CB
--
"It is better that some should be unhappy than that none should be happy,
which would be the case in a general state of equality."
--Samuel Johnson
Sorry, but here, the vast majority of us are, or are descended from,
immigrants, and the way i see, it, we dont have any more of a right to be
here than they do. If the population in america is such a problem, then why
dont you start doing something about it and start by throwing yourself in
front of a bus?
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| User: "Pete" |
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06 Sep 2003 07:06:21 AM |
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Sorry, but here, the vast majority of us are, or are descended from,
immigrants, and the way i see, it, we dont have any more of a right to be
here than they do. If the population in america is such a problem, then why
dont you start doing something about it and start by throwing yourself in
front of a bus?
What a sick, depressed state of mind you manifest by this post. Do you
apply the same line of reasoninig to Japan or China? Has anyone the
right to settle in those countries?
It is obvious that the descendents of the men and women who fought and
died in two world wars, not to mention the civil war and the war of
independence, (which I admit I know little about since I am English),
have a greater claim on the territory of the USA than do people from
Somalia.
From my point of view, being in the UK, we are frequently told that we
are a nation of immigrants too. Were the politicians saying that
during the first world war? Were the young men who fought and died in
the two world wars immigrants? This would be a profoundly insulting
thing to say.
One of the good things about the cultural suicide of the West brought
about by nutcases like yourself is that your lefty principles, which
have only ever been promoted by white liberal types like yourself, are
doomed too. You might convince white liberals that we are all equal
but you will have a hard time indeed persuading other ethnic groups,
for whom the ties of ethnic kinship are much stronger. You can forget
all about women's rights when the Muslim or blackpopulation grows, for
example.
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| User: "CB" |
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| Title: Re: America may become another third world country due to gutless populist politicians and illegal immigrants who take rather than give. |
06 Sep 2003 08:01:03 AM |
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"Pete" <truthsometimeshurts@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Sorry, but here, the vast majority of us are, or are descended from,
immigrants, and the way i see, it, we dont have any more of a right to
be
here than they do. If the population in america is such a problem, then
why
dont you start doing something about it and start by throwing yourself
in
front of a bus?
What a sick, depressed state of mind you manifest by this post. Do you
apply the same line of reasoninig to Japan or China? Has anyone the
right to settle in those countries?
It is obvious that the descendents of the men and women who fought and
died in two world wars, not to mention the civil war and the war of
independence, (which I admit I know little about since I am English),
have a greater claim on the territory of the USA than do people from
Somalia.
From my point of view, being in the UK, we are frequently told that we
are a nation of immigrants too. Were the politicians saying that
during the first world war? Were the young men who fought and died in
the two world wars immigrants? This would be a profoundly insulting
thing to say.
One of the good things about the cultural suicide of the West brought
about by nutcases like yourself is that your lefty principles, which
have only ever been promoted by white liberal types like yourself, are
doomed too. You might convince white liberals that we are all equal
but you will have a hard time indeed persuading other ethnic groups,
for whom the ties of ethnic kinship are much stronger. You can forget
all about women's rights when the Muslim or blackpopulation grows, for
example.
America is great, not doubt but it is changing due to such dense increases
of Mexicans settling in one place, unwilling to speak English, unwilling to
acclimate into America's culture. The result is
sub-cultures/multi-culturalism. Nothing to do with racism, everything to do
with standards of living.
One only has to look at how LA is changing...for the worse (not PC of me I
know). Rather than doing for them selves, building a life for them selves,
the community has to support, feed and house through increasing taxes what
used to be done by immigrants them selves. My ancestors came to America with
more than the clothing on their backs and more than just there backs to work
with. America was open then, not already saturated with other mouths to
feed.
I just read a post yesterday that Miami is 51% Latin. Unlike LA, Miami's
populations come from Puerto Rico and Cuba. Cultures which have been able to
sustain their own weight. They are not a burden on their community. The
difference between California and Florida is political and cultural
accountability. Where Californian Liberals have robbed their states people
to give to those who've kept them in power, Florida voters vote for people
who demand accountability for individual responsibility.
Nothing racist about that
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| User: "Josh Dougherty" |
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| Title: Re: America may become another third world country due to gutless populist politicians and illegal immigrants who take rather than give. |
15 Sep 2003 03:07:51 AM |
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"CB" <CB@prayforme.com> wrote in message news:<bjclqk$pej$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>...
"Pete" <truthsometimeshurts@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Sorry, but here, the vast majority of us are, or are descended from,
immigrants, and the way i see, it, we dont have any more of a right to
be
here than they do. If the population in america is such a problem, then
why
dont you start doing something about it and start by throwing yourself
in
front of a bus?
What a sick, depressed state of mind you manifest by this post. Do you
apply the same line of reasoninig to Japan or China? Has anyone the
right to settle in those countries?
It is obvious that the descendents of the men and women who fought and
died in two world wars, not to mention the civil war and the war of
independence, (which I admit I know little about since I am English),
have a greater claim on the territory of the USA than do people from
Somalia.
From my point of view, being in the UK, we are frequently told that we
are a nation of immigrants too. Were the politicians saying that
during the first world war? Were the young men who fought and died in
the two world wars immigrants? This would be a profoundly insulting
thing to say.
One of the good things about the cultural suicide of the West brought
about by nutcases like yourself is that your lefty principles, which
have only ever been promoted by white liberal types like yourself, are
doomed too. You might convince white liberals that we are all equal
but you will have a hard time indeed persuading other ethnic groups,
for whom the ties of ethnic kinship are much stronger. You can forget
all about women's rights when the Muslim or blackpopulation grows, for
example.
America is great, not doubt but it is changing due to such dense increases
of Mexicans settling in one place, unwilling to speak English, unwilling to
acclimate into America's culture. The result is
sub-cultures/multi-culturalism. Nothing to do with racism, everything to do
with standards of living.
Nope, everything to do with racism, genocide, denial and lack of
historical knowledge.
One only has to look at how LA is changing...for the worse (not PC of me I
know). Rather than doing for them selves, building a life for them selves,
the community has to support, feed and house through increasing taxes what
used to be done by immigrants them selves. My ancestors came to America with
more than the clothing on their backs and more than just there backs to work
with. America was open then, not already saturated with other mouths to
feed.
Your ancestors (and my ancestors) came to an already populated America
and drove out the members of the "lower breed", stole their resources
by force and ethnically cleansed all those inconvenient and
unprofitable "mouths".
Josh
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| User: "Joe User" |
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| Title: Re: America may become another third world country due to gutless populist politicians and illegal immigrants who take rather than give. |
06 Sep 2003 01:14:37 PM |
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On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:01:03 -0400, "CB" <CB@prayforme.com> wrote:
I just read a post yesterday that Miami is 51% Latin. Unlike LA, Miami's
populations come from Puerto Rico and Cuba. Cultures which have been able to
sustain their own weight.
What planet do you live on? Plenty of Puerto Ricans in Chicago as
well, worthless group of people who just like Mexicans are incapible
of doing anything more complex than breeding.
They are not a burden on their community.
Like hell they are not, in Chicago the Latinos (all of them not just
Puerto Ricians) consume more social services than Native blacks and
some percentage of whites, dirt bag immigrants looking to eat what
others have planeted.
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| User: "CB" |
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06 Sep 2003 02:35:27 PM |
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"Joe User" <dispair@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:01:03 -0400, "CB" <CB@prayforme.com> wrote:
I just read a post yesterday that Miami is 51% Latin. Unlike LA, Miami's
populations come from Puerto Rico and Cuba. Cultures which have been able
to
sustain their own weight.
What planet do you live on? Plenty of Puerto Ricans in Chicago as
well, worthless group of people who just like Mexicans are incapible
of doing anything more complex than breeding.
They are not a burden on their community.
Like hell they are not, in Chicago the Latinos (all of them not just
Puerto Ricians) consume more social services than Native blacks and
some percentage of whites, dirt bag immigrants looking to eat what
others have planeted.
There ya go
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| User: "Josh Dougherty" |
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15 Sep 2003 03:13:50 AM |
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Joe User <dispair@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bk8klv0rvkih416ude1pomvi29ii4li373@4ax.com>...
dirt bag immigrants looking to eat what others have planeted.
You shouldn't be so hateful toward Thomas Jefferson, George
Washington, and James Madison. They did some good things too.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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06 Sep 2003 09:33:24 AM |
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(Pete) wrote:
Sorry, but here, the vast majority of us are, or are descended from,
immigrants, and the way i see, it, we dont have any more of a right to be
here than they do. If the population in america is such a problem, then why
dont you start doing something about it and start by throwing yourself in
front of a bus?
What a sick, depressed state of mind you manifest by this post. Do you
apply the same line of reasoninig to Japan or China? Has anyone the
right to settle in those countries?
We don't live in Japan or China, which have a very different culture
than the immigrant-based melting pot/salad bowl that we call the
United States of America.
It is obvious that the descendents of the men and women who fought and
died in two world wars, not to mention the civil war and the war of
independence, (which I admit I know little about since I am English),
have a greater claim on the territory of the USA than do people from
Somalia.
Much of an entire Union Army Corps at Gettysburg consisted of recent
immigrants from Germany. There were tens of millions of immigrants
during the 1880-1916 timeframe that fought in WW I and WW II.
Meanwhile, while I suspect that few were from Somalia, blacks were 20%
of the population of this country in 1790, and close to 40% of the
population of the South.
From my point of view, being in the UK, we are frequently told that we
are a nation of immigrants too.
Not in the same sense. UK's immigration came about because of the
British Empire and the resulting Commonwealth, and most of your
immigrants come from that Commonwealth, and thus share your royalty as
well as other cultural elements.
Were the politicians saying that
during the first world war? Were the young men who fought and died in
the two world wars immigrants?
I believe that a goodly number of Australians, Indians, South Africans
and Singaporeans fought among the British in WW II.
You can forget
all about women's rights when the Muslim or blackpopulation grows, for
example.
Interestingly, my teenage daughter had three Moslem boys (at least I
expect so, since two were named Mohammed) over as guests last evening,
and all of them treated her with the respect boys of other cultures
generally give. Since black culture is often matriarchal, I see
little reason to fear for women's rights in that sector.
However, in the US, anti-immigration is generally directed against
Hispanics, and especially Mexican immigrants. Since a good chunk of
the Southwest was previously owned by the Mexicans and their people
came into the US with our annexation of the territory, we've had a
significant Mexican population in that area from the beginning.
lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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| User: "Pete" |
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13 Sep 2003 07:53:09 AM |
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Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message news:<54rjlvg2b2dp19t5ei8kmj8gk6j94n8cm1@4ax.com>...
truthsometimeshurts@yahoo.co.uk (Pete) wrote:
Sorry, but here, the vast majority of us are, or are descended from,
immigrants, and the way i see, it, we dont have any more of a right to be
here than they do. If the population in america is such a problem, then why
dont you start doing something about it and start by throwing yourself in
front of a bus?
What a sick, depressed state of mind you manifest by this post. Do you
apply the same line of reasoninig to Japan or China? Has anyone the
right to settle in those countries?
We don't live in Japan or China, which have a very different culture
than the immigrant-based melting pot/salad bowl that we call the
United States of America.
So it is okay for any other country to decide who can and who cannot
live there, but it is wrong for Americans to have that choice. How
ridiculous. Do many Americans really think like you do, that is to
say, that there country is somehow less of a nation?
You can forget
all about women's rights when the Muslim or blackpopulation grows, for
example.
Interestingly, my teenage daughter had three Moslem boys (at least I
expect so, since two were named Mohammed) over as guests last evening,
and all of them treated her with the respect boys of other cultures
generally give. Since black culture is often matriarchal, I see
little reason to fear for women's rights in that sector.
Recently in the UK there has been a scandal in Keighley because Asian
(that means Muslim Pakistani) men have been seducing and even gang
raping young white girls. They would not dream of doing this to girls
in their own community. It is natural for people to have less respect
for those who do not belong to their own community, who are unlike
them in colour, culture, etcetera.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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13 Sep 2003 12:42:55 PM |
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(Pete) wrote:
Bob LeChevalier < > wrote in message news:<54rjlvg2b2dp19t5ei8kmj8gk6j94n8cm1@4ax.com>...
(Pete) wrote:
Sorry, but here, the vast majority of us are, or are descended from,
immigrants, and the way i see, it, we dont have any more of a right to be
here than they do. If the population in america is such a problem, then why
dont you start doing something about it and start by throwing yourself in
front of a bus?
What a sick, depressed state of mind you manifest by this post. Do you
apply the same line of reasoninig to Japan or China? Has anyone the
right to settle in those countries?
We don't live in Japan or China, which have a very different culture
than the immigrant-based melting pot/salad bowl that we call the
United States of America.
So it is okay for any other country to decide who can and who cannot
live there, but it is wrong for Americans to have that choice. How
ridiculous. Do many Americans really think like you do, that is to
say, that there country is somehow less of a nation?
No. We just have a constitution that requires us to treat people
equally. We have a tradition that has welcomed immigrants from
abroad, and despite a couple of periods of nativism, the country has
generally prospered when we followed that tradition.
Recently in the UK there has been a scandal in Keighley because Asian
(that means Muslim Pakistani) men have been seducing and even gang
raping young white girls. They would not dream of doing this to girls
in their own community. It is natural for people to have less respect
for those who do not belong to their own community, who are unlike
them in colour, culture, etcetera.
That may be true in your culture. In this culture, it is uncivilized
to treat people who are merely different from you as less worthy of
respect. In our country, the blacks, and the East Asians, and the
South Asians, and the Middle-Easterners, and the Hispanics - they are
all first and foremost Americans, and thus have the same rights that I
do.
As for my daughter, she is close enough to being an adult, that I have
to trust her judgement as to who she will choose to hang out with, in
the absence of any evidence that they have harmful intent. Several
months from now, I won't have any say at all.
lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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| Title: Re: America may become another third world country due to gutless populist politicians and illegal immigrants who take rather than give. |
13 Sep 2003 02:53:11 PM |
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In article <n4l6mvkbuogqa7jdpovgckqf87f74eug2p@4ax.com>, Bob
LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
truthsometimeshurts@yahoo.co.uk (Pete) wrote:
Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:<54rjlvg2b2dp19t5ei8kmj8gk6j94n8cm1@4ax.com>...
truthsometimeshurts@yahoo.co.uk (Pete) wrote:
Sorry, but here, the vast majority of us are, or are descended
from, immigrants, and the way i see, it, we dont have any more of a right
to be here than they do. If the population in america is such a problem,
then why dont you start doing something about it and start by throwing
yourself in front of a bus?
What a sick, depressed state of mind you manifest by this post. Do
you apply the same line of reasoninig to Japan or China? Has anyone the
right to settle in those countries?
We don't live in Japan or China, which have a very different culture
than the immigrant-based melting pot/salad bowl that we call the
United States of America.
So it is okay for any other country to decide who can and who cannot
live there, but it is wrong for Americans to have that choice. How
ridiculous. Do many Americans really think like you do, that is to
say, that there country is somehow less of a nation?
No. We just have a constitution that requires us to treat people
equally. We have a tradition that has welcomed immigrants from
abroad, and despite a couple of periods of nativism, the country has
generally prospered when we followed that tradition.
Yeah, so long as they stand in line, fill out the right forms and follow
the law.
Swimming across a river and demanding public services doesn't count and
is not in any way part of our tradition.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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13 Sep 2003 08:00:32 PM |
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BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
No. We just have a constitution that requires us to treat people
equally. We have a tradition that has welcomed immigrants from
abroad, and despite a couple of periods of nativism, the country has
generally prospered when we followed that tradition.
Yeah, so long as they stand in line, fill out the right forms and follow
the law.
Swimming across a river and demanding public services doesn't count and
is not in any way part of our tradition.
Actually it is. "Illegal immigration" wasn't a problem until we
started restricting immigration, which was not until around 80 years
ago.
lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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13 Sep 2003 08:35:38 PM |
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In article <19f7mvo4o0v5fppnb8kigbrorpk6kqbtq5@4ax.com>, Bob
LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
No. We just have a constitution that requires us to treat people
equally. We have a tradition that has welcomed immigrants from
abroad, and despite a couple of periods of nativism, the country has
generally prospered when we followed that tradition.
Yeah, so long as they stand in line, fill out the right forms and follow
the law.
Swimming across a river and demanding public services doesn't count and
is not in any way part of our tradition.
Actually it is. "Illegal immigration" wasn't a problem until we
started restricting immigration, which was not until around 80 years
ago.
It wasn't a problem because we didn't have skyrocketing tax rates
imposed upon all legal citizens in order to pay for entitlement programs
like welfare and Medicare and all the other things these people show up
and demand we subsidize for them.
If you want to go back to the way things were before we had illegal
immigration, then fine. We can start by lowering everyone's federal
income tax rate to zero the way it was then and the people who immigrate
here can sink or swim on their own like they used to.
Oh, and 80 years ago we also didn't have something called "al-Qaeda" and
other such groups out there who love to murder us in large numbers.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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13 Sep 2003 09:58:35 PM |
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BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
It wasn't a problem because we didn't have skyrocketing tax rates
imposed upon all legal citizens in order to pay for entitlement programs
like welfare and Medicare and all the other things these people show up
and demand we subsidize for them.
Actually, that was part of the basis for the Know-Nothing nativist
movement of the early 1850s. In that case it was the quite legal
immigration of Irishmen and Germans.
The fact that these people were noted among the hundreds of thousands
that fought and died for the Union a decade later shows that even the
indigent have value.
lojbab
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In article <c4m7mvgmnr3kf6h8k5l4n2k4fs3q568e8o@4ax.com>, Bob
LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
It wasn't a problem because we didn't have skyrocketing tax rates
imposed upon all legal citizens in order to pay for entitlement programs
like welfare and Medicare and all the other things these people show up
and demand we subsidize for them.
Actually, that was part of the basis for the Know-Nothing nativist
movement of the early 1850s. In that case it was the quite legal
immigration of Irishmen and Germans.
The fact that these people were noted among the hundreds of thousands
that fought and died for the Union a decade later shows that even the
indigent have value.
I never said they were valueless. I pointed out that drawing comparisons
between immigration policies in the 1700s and now is ridiculous because
nothing about the two situations is similar.
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14 Sep 2003 10:59:31 PM |
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BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <c4m7mvgmnr3kf6h8k5l4n2k4fs3q568e8o@4ax.com>, Bob
LeChevalier < > wrote:
BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
It wasn't a problem because we didn't have skyrocketing tax rates
imposed upon all legal citizens in order to pay for entitlement programs
like welfare and Medicare and all the other things these people show up
and demand we subsidize for them.
Actually, that was part of the basis for the Know-Nothing nativist
movement of the early 1850s. In that case it was the quite legal
immigration of Irishmen and Germans.
The fact that these people were noted among the hundreds of thousands
that fought and died for the Union a decade later shows that even the
indigent have value.
I never said they were valueless. I pointed out that drawing comparisons
between immigration policies in the 1700s and now is ridiculous because
nothing about the two situations is similar.
I was thinking of the timeframe of 1840 (when the first mass
immigration started) to 1920 (when nativist sentiment started building
to restrict immigration, especially from disfavored origins). There
were a couple of laws restricting immigrants from Asia before the
1920s, but they appear to have been less "anti-immigration" than
"anti-disfavored-minority".
lojbab
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lojbab
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14 Sep 2003 03:09:04 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:58:35 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
<lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
It wasn't a problem because we didn't have skyrocketing tax rates
imposed upon all legal citizens in order to pay for entitlement programs
like welfare and Medicare and all the other things these people show up
and demand we subsidize for them.
Actually, that was part of the basis for the Know-Nothing nativist
movement of the early 1850s. In that case it was the quite legal
immigration of Irishmen and Germans.
The fact that these people were noted among the hundreds of thousands
that fought and died for the Union a decade later shows that even the
indigent have value.
we don't need cannon fodder anymore, one nuclear missle can take out
a city.
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14 Sep 2003 11:18:39 PM |
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Joe User <dispair@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:58:35 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
< > wrote:
The fact that these people were noted among the hundreds of thousands
that fought and died for the Union a decade later shows that even the
indigent have value.
we don't need cannon fodder anymore, one nuclear missle can take out
a city.
Tell it to the soldiers in Iraq and those who died in Vietnam. 28% of
the names on the wall are Hispanic, according to one source
http://www.adelantesi.com/basicelements/fronts/Feb03eng.pdf
I count 18 obviously Hispanic names among the 150 Desert Storm killed
from May 1 to Sept 10. There are probably other Hispanics without
such obvious names. Around 12% of the US population is Hispanic, but
the percentage eligible to serve in the military is somewhat lower
than this - I couldn't find definitive numbers, but I think it is
somewhat under 10%.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,82432,00.html
That of course is the largest immigrant group, and they clearly are
paying the price of citizenship.
lojbab
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14 Sep 2003 03:07:57 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:00:32 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
<lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
No. We just have a constitution that requires us to treat people
equally. We have a tradition that has welcomed immigrants from
abroad, and despite a couple of periods of nativism, the country has
generally prospered when we followed that tradition.
Yeah, so long as they stand in line, fill out the right forms and follow
the law.
Swimming across a river and demanding public services doesn't count and
is not in any way part of our tradition.
Actually it is. "Illegal immigration" wasn't a problem until we
started restricting immigration, which was not until around 80 years
ago.
It's because we don't want any more foreign trash! The reason why we
had proparity before they changed the law in 1965 is BECAUSE we kept
the immigrants out.
1965 was a compirmise to the liberals, who demanded that some of the
world's failed peoples who never accomplished anything beyond
replicating like a disease would get to share in western prosparity.
Time to change the law again. The price of failure, is and always has
been death, and it's about time the diverse thrid world start paying.
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14 Sep 2003 11:20:36 PM |
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Joe User <dispair@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:00:32 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
< > wrote:
Actually it is. "Illegal immigration" wasn't a problem until we
started restricting immigration, which was not until around 80 years
ago.
It's because we don't want any more foreign trash! The reason why we
had proparity before they changed the law in 1965 is BECAUSE we kept
the immigrants out.
1965 was a compirmise to the liberals, who demanded that some of the
world's failed peoples who never accomplished anything beyond
replicating like a disease would get to share in western prosparity.
Time to change the law again. The price of failure, is and always has
been death, and it's about time the diverse thrid world start paying.
How eugenistic of you, Herr Hitler!
lojbab
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14 Sep 2003 03:05:23 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:42:55 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
<lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
truthsometimeshurts@yahoo.co.uk (Pete) wrote:
Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message news:<54rjlvg2b2dp19t5ei8kmj8gk6j94n8cm1@4ax.com>...
truthsometimeshurts@yahoo.co.uk (Pete) wrote:
Sorry, but here, the vast majority of us are, or are descended from,
immigrants, and the way i see, it, we dont have any more of a right to be
here than they do. If the population in america is such a problem, then why
dont you start doing something about it and start by throwing yourself in
front of a bus?
What a sick, depressed state of mind you manifest by this post. Do you
apply the same line of reasoninig to Japan or China? Has anyone the
right to settle in those countries?
We don't live in Japan or China, which have a very different culture
than the immigrant-based melting pot/salad bowl that we call the
United States of America.
So it is okay for any other country to decide who can and who cannot
live there, but it is wrong for Americans to have that choice. How
ridiculous. Do many Americans really think like you do, that is to
say, that there country is somehow less of a nation?
No. We just have a constitution that requires us to treat people
equally.
That's CITIZENS, meaning those that came here LEAGALLY, we are not the
world's trash can, nor do we owe anything to criminals, other than
maybe a state-sponsored execution.
We have a tradition that has welcomed immigrants from
abroad, and despite a couple of periods of nativism, the country has
generally prospered when we followed that tradition.
*****, read up on the history of homelessness in the united states,
goes back a very long time. Guess what has ALWAYS been the number one
contributor? Immigration, only the greedheads looking for slave labor,
and the communistic/socialistic left want immigrants, the bulk of the
american people can't stand them, never have.
Recently in the UK there has been a scandal in Keighley because Asian
(that means Muslim Pakistani) men have been seducing and even gang
raping young white girls. They would not dream of doing this to girls
in their own community. It is natural for people to have less respect
for those who do not belong to their own community, who are unlike
them in colour, culture, etcetera.
That may be true in your culture. In this culture, it is uncivilized
to treat people who are merely different from you as less worthy of
respect.
That's human nature, geography has nothing to do with it.
In our country, the blacks, and the East Asians, and the
South Asians, and the Middle-Easterners, and the Hispanics - they are
all first and foremost Americans.
Asians are always Asians first , Hispanics are always Hispanics
first, the only exception is the American blacks, the decendants of
slaves, who have their very distict Black American identity, same
history, different take on it.
and thus have the same rights that I do.
And you brag about that? Why? why wish anything other than death for
the diverse, they are different after all.
As for my daughter, she is close enough to being an adult, that I have
to trust her judgement as to who she will choose to hang out with, in
the absence of any evidence that they have harmful intent.
That's right, be a good bleeding heart and deny responsiblity for bad
parenting.
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14 Sep 2003 11:29:27 PM |
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Joe User <dispair@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:42:55 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
< > wrote:
No. We just have a constitution that requires us to treat people
equally.
That's CITIZENS,
Read the Bill of Rights. In most instances, the word used is
"person", not "citizen".
meaning those that came here LEAGALLY,
Nothing in the Constitution refers to legal admissions. A kid of an
illegal alien, or even a tourist, who is born here is as much a
citizen as your kid. So as the Constitution (14th amendment).
we are not the
world's trash can, nor do we owe anything to criminals, other than
maybe a state-sponsored execution.
Actually, we owe them due process rights, and no cruel or unusual
punishment, among other things.
We have a tradition that has welcomed immigrants from
abroad, and despite a couple of periods of nativism, the country has
generally prospered when we followed that tradition.
*****, read up on the history of homelessness in the united states,
goes back a very long time. Guess what has ALWAYS been the number one
contributor?
Why is that relevant? Yes, immigrants tend to be poorer than the
people who were born here. Their kids tend to be less poor, and their
grandkids generally are fully assimilated into our society.
Immigration, only the greedheads looking for slave labor,
and the communistic/socialistic left want immigrants, the bulk of the
american people can't stand them, never have.
Your rant does not refute my statement - generally we have welcomed
immigrants (observe the words on the Statue of Liberty, please).
In our country, the blacks, and the East Asians, and the
South Asians, and the Middle-Easterners, and the Hispanics - they are
all first and foremost Americans.
Asians are always Asians first , Hispanics are always Hispanics
first, the only exception is the American blacks, the decendants of
slaves, who have their very distict Black American identity, same
history, different take on it.
Your unsubstantiated opinion is noted, but ignorable.
and thus have the same rights that I do.
And you brag about that? Why? why wish anything other than death for
the diverse, they are different after all.
Because, unlike you, I am a human being and a Christian. You, on the
other hand, are a Nazi wannabe, and beneath contempt.
lojbab
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06 Sep 2003 10:47:07 AM |
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In article <54rjlvg2b2dp19t5ei8kmj8gk6j94n8cm1@4ax.com>, Bob
Interestingly, my teenage daughter had three Moslem boys (at least I
expect so, since two were named Mohammed) over as guests last evening,
and all of them treated her with the respect boys of other cultures
generally give.
That frequently happens while they are here in America but if your
daughter married one of those boys and took a visit to the Middle East
to see his family, an entirely different person might emerge.
American women have been held as virtual prisoners by their polite and
loving husbands once they arrive a Muslim country. They've had their
children taken away and been abused horribly.
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14 Sep 2003 02:58:16 PM |
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 10:33:24 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
<lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
truthsometimeshurts@yahoo.co.uk (Pete) wrote:
Sorry, but here, the vast majority of us are, or are descended from,
immigrants, and the way i see, it, we dont have any more of a right to be
here than they do. If the population in america is such a problem, then why
dont you start doing something about it and start by throwing yourself in
front of a bus?
What a sick, depressed state of mind you manifest by this post. Do you
apply the same line of reasoninig to Japan or China? Has anyone the
right to settle in those countries?
We don't live in Japan or China, which have a very different culture
than the immigrant-based melting pot/salad bowl that we call the
United States of America.
Japan just happened eh? In case you haven't noticed, it's an Island.
What the Japanesse spontanously evolved on Japan? No, they immigrated
there.
If it's true that we all came from the same place, then everyone
immigrated at some point way back when, but the migration stoped, and
Japan, England, Brazil, Uganda, etc became what they are today.
What fuckhead liberals refuse to allow the US to do is the same thing
every nation on earth has done - Evolve into what we are meant to be.
It is obvious that the descendents of the men and women who fought and
died in two world wars, not to mention the civil war and the war of
independence, (which I admit I know little about since I am English),
have a greater claim on the territory of the USA than do people from
Somalia.
Much of an entire Union Army Corps at Gettysburg consisted of recent
immigrants from Germany.
Sorry, that is not true, sure there were German and Irish immigrants
fighting, but what are they going to do. "Yes we live here, but we
refuse to fight in the war?" They were hated already, would of been
really ugly if they did.
There were tens of millions of immigrants during the 1880-1916 timeframe
Isn't that when the Industrial Revolution was taking palce?
I don't know if you have noticed but it's been over a LONG time,
nowdays it's the exact opposite, global over capacity to produce, not
enough people to buy, and here you are advocating accepting the
world's surplus population.
From my point of view, being in the UK, we are frequently told that we
are a nation of immigrants too.
Not in the same sense. UK's immigration came about because of the
British Empire and the resulting Commonwealth, and most of your
immigrants come from that Commonwealth, and thus share your royalty as
well as other cultural elements.
You don't know failed common weath trash do you? The have about as
much in common with Britans as we have with Mexcrement.
Were the politicians saying that
during the first world war? Were the young men who fought and died in
the two world wars immigrants?
I believe that a goodly number of Australians, Indians, South Africans
and Singaporeans fought among the British in WW II.
Arn't those countries now? Gee, the US was an English colony at one
point, I don't see the US clinging to Mother's Britains Apron strings
demanding she take our surplus population like India does.
You can forget
all about women's rights when the Muslim or blackpopulation grows, for
example.
Interestingly, my teenage daughter had three Moslem boys (at least I
expect so, since two were named Mohammed)
what can I say, you are a shitty parent for not rasiing your kids
better, you spit on thrid world trash, don't date it.
over as guests last evening, and all of them treated her with the respect
boys of other cultures
Awww isn't that special:P
Since black culture is often matriarchal, I see
little reason to fear for women's rights in that sector.
Black culture is very broken, even the black admit it.
However, in the US, anti-immigration is generally directed against
Hispanics, and especially Mexican immigrants. Since a good chunk of
the Southwest was previously owned by the Mexicans and their people
came into the US with our annexation of the territory, we've had a
significant Mexican population in that area from the beginning.
LOL that's interesting coming on V-M day! victory over Mexico.
On September 14, 1847, General Winfield Scott's forces
triumphantly marched into Mexico City. A small force of U.S. Marines
took over the National Palace, known as the "Halls of the Montezumas,"
and raised the American flag. Mexico was allowed to keep its
independence and much of its territory through the generous Treaty of
Guadalupe-Hidalgo.
We won the territory fair and square, you don't see England demanding
it's colonies back, or the French claiming the were cheated in the
Lousianna purchace do you.
Only Mexicians being failed third worlders play that game.
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Much of an entire Union Army Corps at Gettysburg consisted of recent
immigrants from Germany.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:58:16 -0500, Joe User wrote:
Sorry, that is not true,
Wrong, Joe User, as usual.
It was the XI Corps.
sure there were German and Irish immigrants
fighting, but what are they going to do. "Yes we live here, but we
refuse to fight in the war?" They were hated already, would of been
really ugly if they did.
Gray Shockley
Vicksburg, MS US
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Joe User <dispair@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 10:33:24 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
< > wrote:
What a sick, depressed state of mind you manifest by this post. Do you
apply the same line of reasoninig to Japan or China? Has anyone the
right to settle in those countries?
We don't live in Japan or China, which have a very different culture
than the immigrant-based melting pot/salad bowl that we call the
United States of America.
Japan just happened eh? In case you haven't noticed, it's an Island.
What the Japanesse spontanously evolved on Japan? No, they immigrated
there.
Far enough back that the history of their immigration isn't clear.
If it's true that we all came from the same place, then everyone
immigrated at some point way back when, but the migration stoped, and
Japan, England, Brazil, Uganda, etc became what they are today.
What fuckhead liberals refuse to allow the US to do is the same thing
every nation on earth has done - Evolve into what we are meant to be.
Evolution takes millenia, and general requires genetic isolation.
That ain't gonna happen in this rapidly shrinking world.
No nation has "evolved into what we are meant to be". The insular
Japanese have been forced into several traumatic changes in the last
century and a half, and may be going through another one now.
It is obvious that the descendents of the men and women who fought and
died in two world wars, not to mention the civil war and the war of
independence, (which I admit I know little about since I am English),
have a greater claim on the territory of the USA than do people from
Somalia.
Much of an entire Union Army Corps at Gettysburg consisted of recent
immigrants from Germany.
Sorry, that is not true,
Here are a couple of entire regiments that were of one ethnicity.
http://www.russscott.com/~rscott/26thwis/26pghist.htm
http://www.serve.com/shea/germusa/infantry.htm
http://www.serve.com/shea/germusa/civilwar.htm
Faust's Civila War chapter (vol. 1, p.522-572) has also excellent
statistics broken down by a) ethnic groups, b) states. 176,817
German-born soldiers fought on the Union side; 5000 G-As were
officers ,41 in ranks above colonel (quoted from Willi Paul Adams:
German-Americans, An Ethnic Experience. The German belt from NY &
PA extend. through the Midwest provided a number all-German regiments.
and has the following quote from R E Lee
Gen. R.E.Lee: "Take the Dutch (Deutsche) out of the Union Army and
we'll whip the Yankees easily."
http://www.civilwarhome.com/ethnic.htm
discusses the general ethnic situation of Civil War troops.
sure there were German and Irish immigrants
fighting, but what are they going to do. "Yes we live here, but we
refuse to fight in the war?" They were hated already, would of been
really ugly if they did.
Wrong again.
http://www.geocities.com/kygermans/kgcw.html
Why They Volunteered and How They Were Recruited
Germans came to America seeking a better life than they could achieve
in their old lands, so, what induced so many of them to risk their
lives fighting in America?s Civil War? Patriotism is the answer for
most. Their adopted country was threatened and they felt it was their
duty to help defend it. Germans also supported the Union because they
had seen the terrible results of disunion among the German states,
and did not want the United States divided. And, some joined the army
later in the war to get bounty or signing bonuses that ranged from
one hundred to several hundred dollars, or to avoid the stigma of
being drafted.
Forty-Eighters, of course, rushed to volunteer in what they saw as a
holy war against despotism and slavery. This was the Forty-Eighters?
second fight for freedom and they enthusiastically entered it.
http://www.germanheritage.com/Essays/1848/civil_war_part1.html
indicates that they were in the lead in promoting abolition and
opposing secession, and were especially significant in the growth of
the Republican party that elected Lincoln.
There were tens of millions of immigrants during the 1880-1916 timeframe
Isn't that when the Industrial Revolution was taking palce?
You ignorance of history is showing. The Industrial Revolution went
from 1750-1830 in Great Britain; the North of the US was only slightly
behind the British, with typical dates given as 1790-1860, although
the process was largely done when American industry was noted for its
advancement at the first "world's fair" in 1851.
http://www.bergen.org/technology/indust.html
http://americanhistory.si.edu/youmus/ex10engn.htm
I don't know if you have noticed but it's been over a LONG time,
nowdays it's the exact opposite, global over capacity to produce,
No.
not enough people to buy,
No. Not enough people who can afford American prices, though the
numbers are growing.
and here you are advocating accepting the world's surplus population.
I "advocate" nothing. We have no choice. Cnut could not stop the
tides, and neither can we. (We could initiate nuclear holocaust,
which would decrease the "surplus population", but we might not like
the after effects, and would lose our humanity. Less than nuclear?
Well, look how effectively we are controlling the relatively small
population of Iraq.)
From my point of view, being in the UK, we are frequently told that we
are a nation of immigrants too.
Not in the same sense. UK's immigration came about because of the
British Empire and the resulting Commonwealth, and most of your
immigrants come from that Commonwealth, and thus share your royalty as
well as other cultural elements.
You don't know failed common weath trash do you? The have about as
much in common with Britans as we have with Mexcrement.
You mean that they are all human beings, which is pretty much all that
matters.
I have more in common with "immigrant trash" than with a subhuman Nazi
like you.
I believe that a goodly number of Australians, Indians, South Africans
and Singaporeans fought among the British in WW II.
Arn't those countries now? Gee, the US was an English colony at one
point, I don't see the US clinging to Mother's Britains Apron strings
demanding she take our surplus population like India does.
We don't have a surplus population, and India is demanding nothing.
You can forget
all about women's rights when the Muslim or blackpopulation grows, for
example.
Interestingly, my teenage daughter had three Moslem boys (at least I
expect so, since two were named Mohammed)
what can I say, you are a shitty parent for not rasiing your kids
better, you spit on thrid world trash, don't date it.
I spit on Nazis, racist.
On September 14, 1847, General Winfield Scott's forces
triumphantly marched into Mexico City. A small force of U.S. Marines
took over the National Palace, known as the "Halls of the Montezumas,"
and raised the American flag. Mexico was allowed to keep its
independence and much of its territory through the generous Treaty of
Guadalupe-Hidalgo.
We won the territory fair and square,
We invaded the country unfair and unsquare, with one major purpose
being to enlarge the territory potentially available for slavery.
But you probably think that Hitler won Austria, Czechoslavakia,
Poland, and much of the rest of Europe "fair and square".
lojbab
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14 Sep 2003 02:38:55 PM |
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On 6 Sep 2003 05:06:21 -0700, (Pete)
wrote:
What a sick, depressed state of mind you manifest by this post. Do you
apply the same line of reasoninig to Japan or China? Has anyone the
right to settle in those countries?
It is obvious that the descendents of the men and women who fought and
died in two world wars, not to mention the civil war and the war of
independence, (which I admit I know little about since I am English),
have a greater claim on the territory of the USA than do people from
Somalia.
From my point of view, being in the UK, we are frequently told that we
are a nation of immigrants too. Were the politicians saying that
during the first world war? Were the young men who fought and died in
the two world wars immigrants? This would be a profoundly insulting
thing to say.
One of the good things about the cultural suicide of the West brought
about by nutcases like yourself is that your lefty principles, which
have only ever been promoted by white liberal types like yourself, are
doomed too. You might convince white liberals that we are all equal
but you will have a hard time indeed persuading other ethnic groups,
for whom the ties of ethnic kinship are much stronger.
Great post.
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| User: "Joe User" |
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| Title: Re: America may become another third world country due to gutless populist politicians and illegal immigrants who take rather than give. |
14 Sep 2003 02:37:46 PM |
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 00:14:08 GMT, "Jason Sharma"
<JSAMRA@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Sorry, but here, the vast majority of us are, or are descended from,
immigrants, and the way i see, it, we dont have any more of a right to be
here than they do.
Yes, we do. It's all about window of oppertunity, they missed it.
IF (huge if) the thrid worlders came when this country was being
built, and contributed, well then they have as much rights as the rest
of us. BUT they didn't, they tried to make their joke countries
work, and failed miserably, they bred, and bred, and bred, never
developed their infrastructure, never got an econmy to work, and now
like rats from a sinking ship, they are looking for somewhere else to
land.
Why would I want to let rats in my country? There are no more
fortiers, all the railroads are built, and not only is the industrial
revolution over, but we have over capacity.
the inn is full, they have to make due the best they can in the
burning bag of dogshit *they* built.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: America may become another third world country due to gutless populist politicians and illegal immigrants who take rather than give. |
14 Sep 2003 11:32:46 PM |
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Joe User <dispair@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why would I want to let rats in my country?
So that there would be more like you?
the inn is full
So said the innkeeper to Mary and Joseph. But even he let them sleep
in the stable. You would have called the executioner.
lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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| User: "Joe User" |
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| Title: Re: America may become another third world country due to gutless populist politicians and illegal immigrants who take rather than give. |
06 Sep 2003 01:10:43 PM |
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 00:14:08 GMT, "Jason Sharma"
<JSAMRA@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Sorry, but here, the vast majority of us are, or are descended from,
immigrants.
The history of North America is one where Group A comes in and
displaces Group B, starting from when the Asians crossed the land
bridge and wiped out Kenwick man, thousands of years latter Europeans
wiped out most of the decendants of Asians.
Possesion is 9/10th of the law, we possess American, and I for one am
not going to give it to thrid world trash looking to make better lives
for themselves. get the pleasure of watching the filth die off it's
there own *****.
and the way i see, it, we dont have any more of a right to be
here than they do.
Sure we do, we have the land now, if you can't hold the land, then you
don't deserve it, which is why groups like American Patrol are true
patriots, this is ours, ***** Mexico and their 100 Million surplus
people, they made all the Mexicans, they can keep them.
Wawa wa we don't have enough to eat, fine, eat your fellow mexicans,
it seems all Mexico has in abundance, and we in the US don't want
them.
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