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"zerkanX" |
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15 Aug 2004 07:17:46 AM |
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Another Challenge To Churchists |
AGAIN I want to challenge each and every person that believes the
United States should be declared a 'Judeo-Chiristian' or 'Christian'
or whatever religi-soup mix you can come up with... nation.
I would like an illustration on exactly how things would be different.
How would the laws be different? In concret terms. Not in 'we are
being so persecuted' terms.
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:47:04 +0000, Dana wrote:
What if President Bush
issued an executive order declaring that the Judeo-Christian faith is the
national religion of American government?
Ok, 'what if'.... you tell us. What what would change? How would things be
different?
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: Another Challenge To Churchists |
15 Aug 2004 07:23:47 AM |
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"zerkanX" <zerkanX@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.08.15.12.17.44.615646@nospam.net...
AGAIN I want to challenge each and every person that believes the
United States should be declared a 'Judeo-Chiristian' or 'Christian'
or whatever religi-soup mix you can come up with... nation.
I would like an illustration on exactly how things would be different.
How would the laws be different? In concret terms. Not in 'we are
being so persecuted' terms.
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:47:04 +0000, Dana wrote:
What if President Bush
issued an executive order declaring that the Judeo-Christian faith is
the
national religion of American government?
Ok, 'what if'.... you tell us. What what would change? How would things be
different?
More divorces, for one thing.
From http://www.christianfamilylife.com/template.asp?pt=msgPage
Philip Yancy, in his book What's So Amazing About Grace?, has the following
to say about Christian marriages: "Surely a peculiar people should
demonstrate a higher standard of personal ethics than the surrounding world.
Yet, to take just one example, pollster George Barna discovered that
born-again Christians in modern America actually have a higher rate of
divorce (27%) than nonbelievers (23%); those who describe themselves as
fundamentalists have the highest percentage of all (30%). Indeed, four of
the six states with the highest divorce rates fall in the region known as
the Bible Belt. Far from being peculiar, modern Christians tend to look just
like everyone else, only more so."
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Another Challenge To Churchists |
15 Aug 2004 10:34:32 AM |
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"zerkanX" <zerkanX@nospam.net> wrote:
:|AGAIN I want to challenge each and every person that believes the
:|United States should be declared a 'Judeo-Chiristian' or 'Christian'
:|or whatever religi-soup mix you can come up with... nation.
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:|I would like an illustration on exactly how things would be different.
:|How would the laws be different? In concret terms. Not in 'we are
:|being so persecuted' terms.
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Depends on who is in power.
If the Christian reconstructionists were the ones in power it would be a
true theocracy.
No democracy, the rule of law would be the laws of the Old Testament.
if you really want to know what they want there are a number of
Reconstructionist web sites around.
For those who say it can't happen, there are far more closeted
reconstrustionists in position of power that many realize, hell there are
far more out of the closet reconstructionists in positions of power than
most realize
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| User: "Rico" |
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| Title: Re: Another Challenge To Churchists |
16 Aug 2004 11:53:52 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.08.15.12.17.44.615646@nospam.net>, "zerkanX" <zerkanX@nospam.net> wrote:
AGAIN I want to challenge each and every person that believes the
United States should be declared a 'Judeo-Chiristian' or 'Christian'
or whatever religi-soup mix you can come up with... nation.
I would like an illustration on exactly how things would be different.
How would the laws be different? In concret terms. Not in 'we are
being so persecuted' terms.
On a religious fron, the country would probably begin to more closely
reflect Europe. Fewer actual church groups and fewer denominations. What
those who dislike the establishment clause forget, by having it there,
America has become the most diverse (religion wise) nation on Earth. Why we
have more flavors of Baptist then Snapple has flavors. Religion has
flourished in this country precisely because government is to have a hands
off relationship with religion. Where ever there has been a state church
you do not hav enear the diversity.
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:47:04 +0000, Dana wrote:
What if President Bush
issued an executive order declaring that the Judeo-Christian faith is the
national religion of American government?
Ok, 'what if'.... you tell us. What what would change? How would things be
different?
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
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| User: "Larry Hewitt" |
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| Title: Re: Another Challenge To Churchists |
16 Aug 2004 01:30:08 PM |
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"Rico" <rico_001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10i1plb1smfam9a@corp.supernews.com...
In article <pan.2004.08.15.12.17.44.615646@nospam.net>, "zerkanX"
<zerkanX@nospam.net> wrote:
AGAIN I want to challenge each and every person that believes the
United States should be declared a 'Judeo-Chiristian' or 'Christian'
or whatever religi-soup mix you can come up with... nation.
I would like an illustration on exactly how things would be different.
How would the laws be different? In concret terms. Not in 'we are
being so persecuted' terms.
On a religious fron, the country would probably begin to more closely
reflect Europe. Fewer actual church groups and fewer denominations. What
those who dislike the establishment clause forget, by having it there,
America has become the most diverse (religion wise) nation on Earth. Why
we
have more flavors of Baptist then Snapple has flavors. Religion has
flourished in this country precisely because government is to have a hands
off relationship with religion. Where ever there has been a state church
you do not hav enear the diversity.
Absolutely.
You know, two of the things that struck me most when I moved south were the
diversity of religious denominations and the animosity these denominations
have towards each other. Back north there was much more consolidation. But
as my history professor noted, teh south was populated by people forced out
of the north.
I live in a fairly small town. The local paper devotes a page each Saturday
fr churches to advertise. This Saturday over 80 churches of 18
denominations advertised - including 4 Baptist. There were also more than 20
independent, non-denominational churches advertising. All of these were
Chrsitian. There ar e 2 Jewish synagogues in town, but htey do not dare
advertise.
This is because of the second thing I noticed. Methodists dislike
Presbytarians. Baptists dislike Episcoplians.Baptist freewill dislikes
Baptist INdependent. Presbytarian ARM dislkie Presbytarian. non-Baptists
dilike Baptists. All of them dislike Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Muslims, or
"foriegn" christians like the Korean Catholics or hispanic Catholics..
This animosity even showed up in a recent zoning meeting, where a particular
fundamentalist church group opposed the rezoning. They felt their way of
life was being attacked by different believers who were going to disrupt
their access to the church.
It seems like the diversity breeds dislike of diversity.
Larry
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:47:04 +0000, Dana wrote:
What if President Bush
issued an executive order declaring that the Judeo-Christian faith is
the
national religion of American government?
Ok, 'what if'.... you tell us. What what would change? How would things
be
different?
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
.
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| User: "Mark S." |
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| Title: Re: Another Challenge To Churchists |
12 Nov 2004 10:00:21 PM |
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Hmmm.
Do we see "Christian love" in operation?
"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message
news:cfqu0i$2f0h$1@news3.infoave.net...
"Rico" <rico_001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10i1plb1smfam9a@corp.supernews.com...
In article <pan.2004.08.15.12.17.44.615646@nospam.net>, "zerkanX"
<zerkanX@nospam.net> wrote:
AGAIN I want to challenge each and every person that believes the
United States should be declared a 'Judeo-Chiristian' or 'Christian'
or whatever religi-soup mix you can come up with... nation.
I would like an illustration on exactly how things would be different.
How would the laws be different? In concret terms. Not in 'we are
being so persecuted' terms.
On a religious fron, the country would probably begin to more closely
reflect Europe. Fewer actual church groups and fewer denominations. What
those who dislike the establishment clause forget, by having it there,
America has become the most diverse (religion wise) nation on Earth. Why
we
have more flavors of Baptist then Snapple has flavors. Religion has
flourished in this country precisely because government is to have a
hands
off relationship with religion. Where ever there has been a state church
you do not hav enear the diversity.
Absolutely.
You know, two of the things that struck me most when I moved south were
the
diversity of religious denominations and the animosity these denominations
have towards each other. Back north there was much more consolidation. But
as my history professor noted, teh south was populated by people forced
out
of the north.
I live in a fairly small town. The local paper devotes a page each
Saturday
fr churches to advertise. This Saturday over 80 churches of 18
denominations advertised - including 4 Baptist. There were also more than
20
independent, non-denominational churches advertising. All of these were
Chrsitian. There ar e 2 Jewish synagogues in town, but htey do not dare
advertise.
This is because of the second thing I noticed. Methodists dislike
Presbytarians. Baptists dislike Episcoplians.Baptist freewill dislikes
Baptist INdependent. Presbytarian ARM dislkie Presbytarian. non-Baptists
dilike Baptists. All of them dislike Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Muslims, or
"foriegn" christians like the Korean Catholics or hispanic Catholics..
This animosity even showed up in a recent zoning meeting, where a
particular
fundamentalist church group opposed the rezoning. They felt their way of
life was being attacked by different believers who were going to disrupt
their access to the church.
It seems like the diversity breeds dislike of diversity.
Larry
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:47:04 +0000, Dana wrote:
What if President Bush
issued an executive order declaring that the Judeo-Christian faith is
the
national religion of American government?
Ok, 'what if'.... you tell us. What what would change? How would things
be
different?
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
.
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| User: "Rico" |
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| Title: Re: Another Challenge To Churchists |
18 Aug 2004 11:43:45 AM |
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In article <cfqu0i$2f0h$1@news3.infoave.net>, "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote:
"Rico" <rico_001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10i1plb1smfam9a@corp.supernews.com...
In article <pan.2004.08.15.12.17.44.615646@nospam.net>, "zerkanX"
<zerkanX@nospam.net> wrote:
AGAIN I want to challenge each and every person that believes the
United States should be declared a 'Judeo-Chiristian' or 'Christian'
or whatever religi-soup mix you can come up with... nation.
I would like an illustration on exactly how things would be different.
How would the laws be different? In concret terms. Not in 'we are
being so persecuted' terms.
On a religious fron, the country would probably begin to more closely
reflect Europe. Fewer actual church groups and fewer denominations. What
those who dislike the establishment clause forget, by having it there,
America has become the most diverse (religion wise) nation on Earth. Why
we
have more flavors of Baptist then Snapple has flavors. Religion has
flourished in this country precisely because government is to have a hands
off relationship with religion. Where ever there has been a state church
you do not hav enear the diversity.
Absolutely.
You know, two of the things that struck me most when I moved south were the
diversity of religious denominations and the animosity these denominations
have towards each other. Back north there was much more consolidation. But
as my history professor noted, teh south was populated by people forced out
of the north.
I'd like to meet that professor, my mother's side of the family settled in
what would become the old south before the Pligrims ever set sail from
England (one of her's arrived in 1612 at Jamestown). My father's family
while a bit later arriving (late 1600's) landed in the South and none lived
in the north until the post WWII era. Closest anyone came to spending time
in the north was Dad at the Naval Acad. in the 1930's.
I live in a fairly small town. The local paper devotes a page each Saturday
fr churches to advertise. This Saturday over 80 churches of 18
denominations advertised - including 4 Baptist. There were also more than 20
independent, non-denominational churches advertising. All of these were
Chrsitian. There ar e 2 Jewish synagogues in town, but htey do not dare
advertise.
The Observer used to include a couple of pages like that as well, they
stopped in the late 1970's when Charlotte started putting on airs.
This is because of the second thing I noticed. Methodists dislike
Presbytarians. Baptists dislike Episcoplians.Baptist freewill dislikes
Baptist INdependent. Presbytarian ARM dislkie Presbytarian. non-Baptists
dilike Baptists. All of them dislike Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Muslims, or
"foriegn" christians like the Korean Catholics or hispanic Catholics..
This animosity even showed up in a recent zoning meeting, where a particular
fundamentalist church group opposed the rezoning. They felt their way of
life was being attacked by different believers who were going to disrupt
their access to the church.
It seems like the diversity breeds dislike of diversity.
To know the other fellow is to dislike/distrust him <g>
Larry
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:47:04 +0000, Dana wrote:
What if President Bush
issued an executive order declaring that the Judeo-Christian faith is
the
national religion of American government?
Ok, 'what if'.... you tell us. What what would change? How would things
be
different?
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
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| User: "zerkanX" |
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| Title: Re: Another Deafening Silence |
17 Aug 2004 06:33:17 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 08:17:46 -0400, zerkanX wrote:
AGAIN I want to challenge .....
For verily I say unto you, those who only define themselves by their
persecution will perish without it. for when they no longer are it's victims,
they, by definition, cease to exist.
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