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Area clergy disagree with judge's ruling |
http://www.publicopiniononline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051222/NEWS01/512220318/1002
Area clergy disagree with judge's ruling
By MARCUS RAUHUT
For Public Opinion
FRANKLIN COUNTY — Some Franklin County ministers disagree with a U.S.
district judge's ruling that a Pennsylvania school district cannot teach
intelligent design in science classes.
Manny Diaz, pastor of the Chambersburg Church of the Brethren, said all
theories of human history, including intelligent design, should be taught
in schools.
"All theories that are legitimate deserve a sense of hearing. Intelligent
design should be next to any other theory. The discussion should be open to
any idea," he said.
Randy Mosher, pastor of Calvary Chapel of the Cumberland Valley in
Greencastle, said if students are presented these options, they can decide
for themselves which theory to believe.
"We should give them an alternative and let the kids sort it out," he said.
Mosher emphasized that evolution and intelligent design are theories and
not fact, but thought intelligent design is more valid.
"If we're going to teach one perspective (evolution) that's not an
absolute, then I'd have no problem teaching another theory, which I feel is
more absolute," Mosher said.
Diaz compared the evolution-intelligent design debate to the conflict
between Newtonian and quantum physics, two differing theories that are both
taught. He said scientific theories can change over time.
"Scientists would say one thing and it turned out to be wrong. Theories
have been proved wrong. Galileo was thrown in jail for saying the earth
revolved around the sun," Diaz said.
However, critics of intelligent design would argue that the theory breaks
the separation between church and state, a claim with which Mosher
disagrees.
"We're not trying to incorporate Christianity or Judaism into the school.
It's an alternative theory without crossing the church-state line," Mosher
said.
Even if intelligent design is based on a religion's understanding of the
universe, Diaz said he doesn't think this warrants removing the theory from
school curriculum.
"If you throw out a theory based on faith, where do you think moral
standards come from? It comes from faith and the idea that human life is
valuable," Diaz said.
Originally published December 22, 2005
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22 Dec 2005 08:56:29 AM |
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http://www.publicopiniononline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051222/NEWS01/512220318/1002
Area clergy disagree with judge's ruling
By MARCUS RAUHUT
For Public Opinion
FRANKLIN COUNTY - Some Franklin County ministers disagree with a U.S.
district judge's ruling that a Pennsylvania school district cannot teach
intelligent design in science classes.
Manny Diaz, pastor of the Chambersburg Church of the Brethren, said all
theories of human history, including intelligent design, should be taught
in schools.
"All theories that are legitimate deserve a sense of hearing. Intelligent
design should be next to any other theory. The discussion should be open
to
any idea," he said.
Randy Mosher, pastor of Calvary Chapel of the Cumberland Valley in
Greencastle, said if students are presented these options, they can decide
for themselves which theory to believe.
How about this: They don't preach Cretinism - pardon me, Creationism - in
the schools and we don't preach science in their churches. Would that be
fair?
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22 Dec 2005 10:40:49 AM |
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<buckeye-elo@nospam.net> wrote in message
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FRANKLIN COUNTY - Some Franklin County ministers disagree with a U.S.
district judge's ruling that a Pennsylvania school district cannot teach
intelligent design in science classes.
Tough *****.
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JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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22 Dec 2005 02:53:45 PM |
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<buckeye-elo@nospam.net> wrote in message
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http://www.publicopiniononline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051222/NEWS01/512220318/1002
Area clergy disagree with judge's ruling
By MARCUS RAUHUT
For Public Opinion
(snip)
"All theories that are legitimate deserve a sense of hearing. Intelligent
design should be next to any other theory. The discussion should be open
to
any idea," he said.
(Snip)
Why should we listen to someone who contradicts himself in the space of 3
sentences?
"All theories that are legitimate" suddenly transforms into "any idea".
A transparent minister! It's a miracle!
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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22 Dec 2005 08:12:25 AM |
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<buckeye-elo@nospam.net> wrote in message
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http://www.publicopiniononline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051222/NEWS01/512220318/1002
Area clergy disagree with judge's ruling
By MARCUS RAUHUT
For Public Opinion
FRANKLIN COUNTY - Some Franklin County ministers disagree with a U.S.
district judge's ruling that a Pennsylvania school district cannot teach
intelligent design in science classes.
Of course they would - they are uneducated religious fanatics.
Manny Diaz, pastor of the Chambersburg Church of the Brethren, said all
theories of human history, including intelligent design, should be taught
in schools.
All scientific theories are taught in the science class ............ i.d. is
NOT a scientific theory!
"All theories that are legitimate deserve a sense of hearing. Intelligent
design should be next to any other theory. The discussion should be open
to
any idea," he said.
Randy Mosher, pastor of Calvary Chapel of the Cumberland Valley in
Greencastle, said if students are presented these options, they can decide
for themselves which theory to believe.
OK ....... then we have the right to present ALL religions to your
children - and let them decide which one to believe!
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| User: "Mickey" |
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22 Dec 2005 12:27:25 PM |
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ZenIsWhen wrote:
<buckeye-elo@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:gj6lq1li0n5g8j8af32foqeiv98ffjj0sh@4ax.com...
http://www.publicopiniononline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051222/NEWS01/512220318/1002
Area clergy disagree with judge's ruling
By MARCUS RAUHUT
For Public Opinion
FRANKLIN COUNTY - Some Franklin County ministers disagree with a U.S.
district judge's ruling that a Pennsylvania school district cannot teach
intelligent design in science classes.
Of course they would - they are uneducated religious fanatics.
That's a little harsh. Maybe the teensiest bit bigoted...
Manny Diaz, pastor of the Chambersburg Church of the Brethren, said all
theories of human history, including intelligent design, should be taught
in schools.
All scientific theories are taught in the science class ............ i.d. is
NOT a scientific theory!
"All theories that are legitimate deserve a sense of hearing. Intelligent
design should be next to any other theory. The discussion should be open
to
any idea," he said.
Randy Mosher, pastor of Calvary Chapel of the Cumberland Valley in
Greencastle, said if students are presented these options, they can decide
for themselves which theory to believe.
OK ....... then we have the right to present ALL religions to your
children - and let them decide which one to believe!
And, according to the Ninth Circuit, top it off by asking nine year olds
all sorts of inappropriate sexual questions. Whoopee!
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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22 Dec 2005 11:24:57 AM |
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<buckeye-elo@nospam.net> wrote...
http://www.publicopiniononline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051222/NEWS01/512220318/1002
Area clergy disagree with judge's ruling
By MARCUS RAUHUT
For Public Opinion
FRANKLIN COUNTY - Some Franklin County ministers disagree with a U.S.
district judge's ruling that a Pennsylvania school district cannot teach
intelligent design in science classes.
Manny Diaz, pastor of the Chambersburg Church of the Brethren, said all
theories of human history, including intelligent design, should be taught
in schools.
You mean, like this one?
THE STORY OF XENU
Once upon a time, 75 million years ago, there was an alien galactic
ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part
of the galaxy, including Earth, which in those days was called
Teegeeack.
Xenu had a problem. All 76 planets of the Galactic Confederation he
controlled were overpopulated. Each planet had on average 178 billion
people. He wanted to get rid of this overpopulation, and he had a
plan.
With the help of renegades, Xenu defeated his opponents, the good
people and their Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists
and the media he persuaded billions of people to come in for income
tax audits. They were instead injected in the lungs with alcohol and
glycol to paralyze them. Then they were put into spaceships that
looked exactly like DC8 airplanes, except they had rocket engines
instead of propellers.
These space planes then flew to planet Earth where the hundreds of
billions of paralyzed people were stacked around the bases of
volcanoes. H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes, and Xenu
detonated all the H-bombs at once, killing everyone.
The story doesn't end there though. Since everyone has a soul, Xenu
had to make sure the souls would not come back and seek vengeance. So
while the hundreds of billions of souls were being blown around by
the nuclear winds, he used special traps that caught them in
electronic beams that were sticky like fly-paper. Force-fields then
packaged the souls into "clusters." This all took place in Hawaii and
Las Palmas in the Canary Islands.
Xenu had these soul clusters packed into boxes and taken to some huge
cinemas to brainwash, or hypnotically "implant" them. They were
forced to spend 36 days watching 3D motion pictures of traumatic,
horrific things like torture, dissection, and crucifixion. They were
subject to sexual perversion, motion sickness, auto accidents, and
other horrors. They were also shown false pictures and told they were
God, Christ, and Satan, all as part of Xenu's plan to render them
helpless and prevent their return.
After the implanting, the soul clusters remained stuck together in
groups of a few thousand, as the implanting had confused their sense
of individual identity. There were only a few living bodies left on
Earth, and the clusters inhabited these bodies like parasitic demons.
As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew him and imprisoned
him in a mountaintop on Earth. He is kept there by a force-field
powered by an eternal battery, and is still alive today.
And so today everyone on Earth is possessed by clusters of souls
called "body thetans." And if you are to become spiritually free, you
must exorcise all the body thetans inhabiting you, and pay many
thousands of dollars to do so. And the only reason people believe in
God and Christ is because they were in the implant film their body
thetans saw 75 million years ago.
This is L. Ron Hubbard's account of what Scientologists must consider to be
the most significant event in the history of the human race. What do you
think? Should we follow Rev. Manny Diaz's suggestion and teach this in
science classes?
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| User: "Mickey" |
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22 Dec 2005 12:48:33 PM |
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Spartakus wrote:
<buckeye-elo@nospam.net> wrote...
http://www.publicopiniononline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051222/NEWS01/512220318/1002
Area clergy disagree with judge's ruling
By MARCUS RAUHUT
For Public Opinion
FRANKLIN COUNTY - Some Franklin County ministers disagree with a U.S.
district judge's ruling that a Pennsylvania school district cannot teach
intelligent design in science classes.
Manny Diaz, pastor of the Chambersburg Church of the Brethren, said all
theories of human history, including intelligent design, should be taught
in schools.
You mean, like this one?
THE STORY OF XENU
Once upon a time, 75 million years ago, there was an alien galactic
ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part
of the galaxy, including Earth, which in those days was called
Teegeeack.
Xenu had a problem. All 76 planets of the Galactic Confederation he
controlled were overpopulated. Each planet had on average 178 billion
people. He wanted to get rid of this overpopulation, and he had a
plan.
With the help of renegades, Xenu defeated his opponents, the good
people and their Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists
and the media he persuaded billions of people to come in for income
tax audits. They were instead injected in the lungs with alcohol and
glycol to paralyze them. Then they were put into spaceships that
looked exactly like DC8 airplanes, except they had rocket engines
instead of propellers.
These space planes then flew to planet Earth where the hundreds of
billions of paralyzed people were stacked around the bases of
volcanoes. H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes, and Xenu
detonated all the H-bombs at once, killing everyone.
The story doesn't end there though. Since everyone has a soul, Xenu
had to make sure the souls would not come back and seek vengeance. So
while the hundreds of billions of souls were being blown around by
the nuclear winds, he used special traps that caught them in
electronic beams that were sticky like fly-paper. Force-fields then
packaged the souls into "clusters." This all took place in Hawaii and
Las Palmas in the Canary Islands.
Xenu had these soul clusters packed into boxes and taken to some huge
cinemas to brainwash, or hypnotically "implant" them. They were
forced to spend 36 days watching 3D motion pictures of traumatic,
horrific things like torture, dissection, and crucifixion. They were
subject to sexual perversion, motion sickness, auto accidents, and
other horrors. They were also shown false pictures and told they were
God, Christ, and Satan, all as part of Xenu's plan to render them
helpless and prevent their return.
After the implanting, the soul clusters remained stuck together in
groups of a few thousand, as the implanting had confused their sense
of individual identity. There were only a few living bodies left on
Earth, and the clusters inhabited these bodies like parasitic demons.
As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew him and imprisoned
him in a mountaintop on Earth. He is kept there by a force-field
powered by an eternal battery, and is still alive today.
And so today everyone on Earth is possessed by clusters of souls
called "body thetans." And if you are to become spiritually free, you
must exorcise all the body thetans inhabiting you, and pay many
thousands of dollars to do so. And the only reason people believe in
God and Christ is because they were in the implant film their body
thetans saw 75 million years ago.
This is L. Ron Hubbard's account of what Scientologists must consider to be
the most significant event in the history of the human race. What do you
think? Should we follow Rev. Manny Diaz's suggestion and teach this in
science classes?
Hell No! Mandotory reading for film history class. This puts an entirely
different spin on Risky Business and Saturday Night Fever...
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22 Dec 2005 10:11:29 AM |
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wrote...
http://www.publicopiniononline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051222/NEWS01/512220318/1002
Area clergy disagree with judge's ruling
By MARCUS RAUHUT
For Public Opinion
FRANKLIN COUNTY — Some Franklin County ministers disagree with a U.S.
district judge's ruling that a Pennsylvania school district cannot teach
intelligent design in science classes.
Manny Diaz, pastor of the Chambersburg Church of the Brethren, said all
theories of human history, including intelligent design, should be taught
in schools.
"All theories that are legitimate deserve a sense of hearing. Intelligent
design should be next to any other theory. The discussion should be open to
any idea," he said.
Randy Mosher, pastor of Calvary Chapel of the Cumberland Valley in
Greencastle, said if students are presented these options, they can decide
for themselves which theory to believe.
"We should give them an alternative and let the kids sort it out," he said.
So here's an alternative theory, I wonder if Righteous Reverend Buttfuck
would tolerate its inclusion:
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
http://www.venganza.com
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28 Dec 2005 09:42:06 PM |
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wrote:
http://www.publicopiniononline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051222/NEWS01/512220318/1002
Area clergy disagree with judge's ruling
By MARCUS RAUHUT
For Public Opinion
"Scientists would say one thing and it turned out to be wrong. Theories
have been proved wrong. Galileo was thrown in jail for saying the earth
revolved around the sun," Diaz said.
Yeah, Reverend, I remember hearing about that. Help me remember: who
were the anti-scientific closed-minded fanatics who threw him in jail?
....his jailers were members of a group, if I recall correctly.
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| User: "tulle" |
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28 Dec 2005 09:48:01 PM |
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wrote:
http://www.publicopiniononline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20051222/=
NEWS01/512220318/1002
Area clergy disagree with judge's ruling
By MARCUS RAUHUT
For Public Opinion
FRANKLIN COUNTY - Some Franklin County ministers disagree with a U.S.
district judge's ruling that a Pennsylvania school district cannot teach
intelligent design in science classes.
No, you got the wrong country. It's Iran where the clergy has to agree
with the judges' ruling before it goes into effect, not here in the US.
At least not yet.
tulle
Manny Diaz, pastor of the Chambersburg Church of the Brethren, said all
theories of human history, including intelligent design, should be taught
in schools.
"All theories that are legitimate deserve a sense of hearing. Intelligent
design should be next to any other theory. The discussion should be open =
to
any idea," he said.
Randy Mosher, pastor of Calvary Chapel of the Cumberland Valley in
Greencastle, said if students are presented these options, they can decide
for themselves which theory to believe.
"We should give them an alternative and let the kids sort it out," he sai=
d=2E
Mosher emphasized that evolution and intelligent design are theories and
not fact, but thought intelligent design is more valid.
"If we're going to teach one perspective (evolution) that's not an
absolute, then I'd have no problem teaching another theory, which I feel =
is
more absolute," Mosher said.
Diaz compared the evolution-intelligent design debate to the conflict
between Newtonian and quantum physics, two differing theories that are bo=
th
taught. He said scientific theories can change over time.
"Scientists would say one thing and it turned out to be wrong. Theories
have been proved wrong. Galileo was thrown in jail for saying the earth
revolved around the sun," Diaz said.
However, critics of intelligent design would argue that the theory breaks
the separation between church and state, a claim with which Mosher
disagrees.
"We're not trying to incorporate Christianity or Judaism into the school.
It's an alternative theory without crossing the church-state line," Mosher
said.
Even if intelligent design is based on a religion's understanding of the
universe, Diaz said he doesn't think this warrants removing the theory fr=
om
school curriculum.
"If you throw out a theory based on faith, where do you think moral
standards come from? It comes from faith and the idea that human life is
valuable," Diaz said.
Originally published December 22, 2005
**************************************************************
Posting and reading from alt.politics.usa.constitution OR alt.education
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS =B7 Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
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. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why =
"a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisne=
r,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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22 Dec 2005 08:16:44 AM |
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:22:29 -0500, in news
message <gj6lq1li0n5g8j8af32foqeiv98ffjj0sh@4ax.com> wrote:
http://www.publicopiniononline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051222/NEWS01/512220318/1002
Area clergy disagree with judge's ruling
By MARCUS RAUHUT
For Public Opinion
FRANKLIN COUNTY — Some Franklin County ministers disagree with a U.S.
district judge's ruling that a Pennsylvania school district cannot teach
intelligent design in science classes.
Manny Diaz, pastor of the Chambersburg Church of the Brethren, said all
theories of human history, including intelligent design, should be taught
in schools.
"All theories that are legitimate deserve a sense of hearing. Intelligent
design should be next to any other theory. The discussion should be open to
any idea," he said.
Randy Mosher, pastor of Calvary Chapel of the Cumberland Valley in
Greencastle, said if students are presented these options, they can decide
for themselves which theory to believe.
"We should give them an alternative and let the kids sort it out," he said.
Then these pastors should not object when completely comprehensive sex
education classes are taught to the children. We give the students
information on every variety of sexual conduct and let the kids sort
it out.
Liz #658 BAAWA
A religious fanatic is someone who insists on proselyting the full
frontal ugliness of xtian mythology without shame or reservation.
-- Clothaire
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