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"bob&carole" |
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04 Oct 2006 12:26:31 AM |
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Attorney: Foley is gay |
Looks like foley attended the gerry studds school of page management
:-)
(West Palm Beach, Florida-AP) October 3, 2006 - The lawyer for former
Congressman Mark Foley says the disgraced lawmaker is gay, and was the
victim of sexual molestation as a teenager.
Foley resigned from Congress Friday in the wake of reports of lurid
e-mails to male teens serving as congressional pages.
Attorney David Roth, who met with reporters, also denies that Foley had
sex with any pages. And Roth says Foley is not a pedophile.
Roth says Foley's decision to enter rehab was not "tactical" but was a
decision to get help. He says Foley has hidden with shame for 40 years.
He declined to identify the clergyman who allegedly abused Foley.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Attorney: Foley is gay |
04 Oct 2006 04:26:38 AM |
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In News 1159939591.283502.267950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,, bob&carole
at bobandcarole100@hotmail.com, typed this:
Looks like foley attended the gerry studds school of page management
:-)
If you read further down in the article the idiot denys being a pedophile,
so we know just how well this confused idiot right winged nut case's word
can be trusted.
(West Palm Beach, Florida-AP) October 3, 2006 - The lawyer for former
Congressman Mark Foley says the disgraced lawmaker is gay, and was the
victim of sexual molestation as a teenager.
Foley resigned from Congress Friday in the wake of reports of lurid
e-mails to male teens serving as congressional pages.
Attorney David Roth, who met with reporters, also denies that Foley
had sex with any pages. And Roth says Foley is not a pedophile.
Roth says Foley's decision to enter rehab was not "tactical" but was a
decision to get help. He says Foley has hidden with shame for 40
years. He declined to identify the clergyman who allegedly abused
Foley.
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Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Eric Bohlman" |
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| Title: Re: Attorney: Foley is gay |
05 Oct 2006 12:50:05 AM |
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"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
news:i7LUg.9790$UG4.3235@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
If you read further down in the article the idiot denys being a
pedophile, so we know just how well this confused idiot right winged
nut case's word can be trusted.
Strictly speaking, he's correct, since the use of "pedophilia" to describe
going after 16-year-olds is a non-standard usage. What he's really done is
deny that he goes after pre-pubescent kids. Since it's never been alleged
that he has, he's blowing smoke by using the straw-man fallacy, sort of as
if Bush had issued a vigorous denial that he had ever ordered US troops to
shoot unarmed Iraqi civilians. It's a rather slick ploy intended to
provide "plausible deniability."
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: Attorney: Foley is gay |
05 Oct 2006 01:56:43 AM |
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Eric Bohlman <ebohlman@omsdev.com> writes:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
news:i7LUg.9790$UG4.3235@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
If you read further down in the article the idiot denys being a
pedophile, so we know just how well this confused idiot right
winged nut case's word can be trusted.
Strictly speaking, he's correct, since the use of "pedophilia" to
describe going after 16-year-olds is a non-standard usage. What
he's really done is deny that he goes after pre-pubescent kids.
Since it's never been alleged that he has, he's blowing smoke by
using the straw-man fallacy, sort of as if Bush had issued a
vigorous denial that he had ever ordered US troops to shoot unarmed
Iraqi civilians. It's a rather slick ploy intended to provide
"plausible deniability."
OTOH, if you do a google search for "Mark Foley" and pedophilia,
you'll get about 214 hits. One,
<http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/new_foley_insta.html>,
contains a legitimate news article, but with reader comments that
mention pedophilia in connection with Foley. Another mentions child
abuse. So, people are bringing it up, although responsible news
organizations are mostly using the terminology correctly.
The real issue should be the apparent coverup on the part of the
Republican Party. Foley's just one guy, and he resigned. But
someone covered it up to avoid embarassment to the Republican
Party. See
<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/04/MNGI9LHSVO1.DTL>
which states (regarding the pages),
"Their schedules are tightly controlled. They travel with
adult chaperones and their computers are monitored."
If their computers are monitored, someone obviously knew what Foley
was sending them, and kept quiet about it - just like the Catholic
Church did.
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| User: "Eric Bohlman" |
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| Title: Re: Attorney: Foley is gay |
05 Oct 2006 02:53:44 AM |
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No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in
news:m3sli3i74z.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net:
The real issue should be the apparent coverup on the part of the
Republican Party. Foley's just one guy, and he resigned. But
someone covered it up to avoid embarassment to the Republican
Party. See
<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/04/MNGI9LHSVO
1.DTL> which states (regarding the pages),
"Their schedules are tightly controlled. They travel with
adult chaperones and their computers are monitored."
Indeed.
If their computers are monitored, someone obviously knew what Foley
was sending them, and kept quiet about it - just like the Catholic
Church did.
Apparently Foley didn't start making unambiguous advances toward pages
until after they left the program. Once again, plausible deniability.
It seems like his MO was to stay *just* on the right side of the law for
as long as he could. For example, he delayed his "mutual orgasm while
taking a break from the vote" exchange until shortly after his
correspondent had turned 18 (making him "legal" anywhere in the US), even
though he had "groomed" his correspondent beforehand. He was engaging in
just-barely-legal predatory behavior, behavior for which, if he hadn't
resigned, would warrant expulsion from the House.
Of course, seeing a pattern of messages that could, based on certain
interpretations of ambiguity, be considered "questioning the kid to see
if he might respond to my advances once he becomes legal" should have
raised a galaxy-sized red flag to anyone who was monitoring the
exchanges. The fact that it was common knowledge among pages that he was
hitting on them should have raised a universe-sized red flag. Whether he
broke the law or not is pretty irrelevant (it just means that Hastert,
Reynolds, Boehner, Shimkus, etc. aren't subject to criminal liability);
there's simply no way that you can have a page program in which pages
have to fend off barely-legal advances from the powerful. And the
solution is not, as Ray LaHood suggested, to abolish the page program on
the grounds that adult Congresscritters can't keep themselves off their
teenage proteges, but rather to maintain a level of institutional control
that would kick out anyone who acts as if their pages belong to them
personally. The nudist camps that Foley railed against manage to keep
such control without a whole lot of effort (Foley was quite right to
decline the invitation to observe one of the camps; he'd have been kicked
out within a matter of minutes if he started pursuing any of the kids
there).
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: Attorney: Foley is gay |
05 Oct 2006 11:20:15 AM |
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Eric Bohlman <ebohlman@omsdev.com> writes:
Apparently Foley didn't start making unambiguous advances toward pages
until after they left the program. Once again, plausible deniability.
It seems like his MO was to stay *just* on the right side of the law for
as long as he could. For example, he delayed his "mutual orgasm while
taking a break from the vote" exchange until shortly after his
correspondent had turned 18 (making him "legal" anywhere in the US), even
though he had "groomed" his correspondent beforehand. He was engaging in
just-barely-legal predatory behavior, behavior for which, if he hadn't
resigned, would warrant expulsion from the House.
Yep, he should be kicked out for sexual harassment, which is pretty much
what he did. What's odd is that he'd go to such an effort in the hopes
of finding young gay adults, when he could have just gone to a local
bar.
My guess is that for political/career reasons, he had to stay closeted,
and couldn't possibly risk being seen in any gay-oriented bar, club, or
whatever. So he settled on trolling for gay pages. It's wierd, but
probably sexual repression, exacerbated by the Republicans' need to
appeal to the religious right wing, made it worse.
So, there's a lot to blame for the Republicans - not only for a
cover up but also for policies that may have put pages at risk.
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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| Title: Re: Attorney: Foley is gay |
04 Oct 2006 05:27:48 AM |
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:26:38 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
(West Palm Beach, Florida-AP) October 3, 2006 - The lawyer for former
Congressman Mark Foley says the disgraced lawmaker is gay, and was the
victim of sexual molestation as a teenager.
Foley resigned from Congress Friday in the wake of reports of lurid
e-mails to male teens serving as congressional pages.
Attorney David Roth, who met with reporters, also denies that Foley
had sex with any pages. And Roth says Foley is not a pedophile.
Why is he mentioning his molestation if not to play victim for
molesting others?
If he considered himself a "victim" of molestation, that should be
even more incentive for him not to inflict his predation on others.
It seems to me, that ADDS to his culpability.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
See links to the Lebanon photos that Google censored at
http://mindprod.com/politics/israel.html
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| User: "Baal" |
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| Title: Re: Attorney: Foley is gay |
04 Oct 2006 01:46:12 PM |
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:26:38 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
(West Palm Beach, Florida-AP) October 3, 2006 - The lawyer for former
Congressman Mark Foley says the disgraced lawmaker is gay, and was the
victim of sexual molestation as a teenager.
Foley resigned from Congress Friday in the wake of reports of lurid
e-mails to male teens serving as congressional pages.
Attorney David Roth, who met with reporters, also denies that Foley
had sex with any pages. And Roth says Foley is not a pedophile.
Why is he mentioning his molestation if not to play victim for
molesting others?
If he considered himself a "victim" of molestation, that should be
even more incentive for him not to inflict his predation on others.
It seems to me, that ADDS to his culpability.
--
Au contraire. Current practice seems to be trotting-out of the mantra:
"I was abused" whenever someone gets caught. Worked for Pete Townshend....
What they're doing is playing into the commonly-held idea that once
someone is abused, they tend to become abusers themselves. It's just a
mechanism to deflect blame onto someone else, and as we've seen in the
Townshend and other cases, it tends to work.
Baal
Retired Lecturer, Encryption and Data Security, Pedo U, Usenet Campus
"Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?" -- "Who will watch the Watchmen?"
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| User: "Strife767" |
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05 Oct 2006 12:43:59 PM |
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:46:12 -0400, Baal
<Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
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<e137i213hhp1crfa3nve5gravdsd16cthg@4ax.com>, Roedy Green
<see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:26:38 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
(West Palm Beach, Florida-AP) October 3, 2006 - The lawyer for former
Congressman Mark Foley says the disgraced lawmaker is gay, and was the
victim of sexual molestation as a teenager.
Foley resigned from Congress Friday in the wake of reports of lurid
e-mails to male teens serving as congressional pages.
Attorney David Roth, who met with reporters, also denies that Foley
had sex with any pages. And Roth says Foley is not a pedophile.
Why is he mentioning his molestation if not to play victim for
molesting others?
If he considered himself a "victim" of molestation, that should be
even more incentive for him not to inflict his predation on others.
It seems to me, that ADDS to his culpability.
--
Au contraire. Current practice seems to be trotting-out of the mantra:
"I was abused" whenever someone gets caught. Worked for Pete
Townshend....
What they're doing is playing into the commonly-held idea that once
someone is abused, they tend to become abusers themselves.
This is actually true--for a yet unknown reason, humans have this weird
quirk to have the subconscious desire to recreate trauma from their early
lives.
It's just a
mechanism to deflect blame onto someone else,
Only when the person is lying.
and as we've seen in the
Townshend and other cases, it tends to work.
--
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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04 Oct 2006 05:31:09 AM |
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In News e137i213hhp1crfa3nve5gravdsd16cthg@4ax.com,, Roedy Green at
see_website@mindprod.com.invalid, typed this:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:26:38 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
(West Palm Beach, Florida-AP) October 3, 2006 - The lawyer for
former Congressman Mark Foley says the disgraced lawmaker is gay,
and was the victim of sexual molestation as a teenager.
Foley resigned from Congress Friday in the wake of reports of lurid
e-mails to male teens serving as congressional pages.
Attorney David Roth, who met with reporters, also denies that Foley
had sex with any pages. And Roth says Foley is not a pedophile.
Why is he mentioning his molestation if not to play victim for
molesting others?
If he considered himself a "victim" of molestation, that should be
even more incentive for him not to inflict his predation on others.
It seems to me, that ADDS to his culpability.
One would think so, but it often doesn't seem to work that way.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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