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"bob&carole" |
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08 Dec 2006 12:20:24 AM |
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Baptists and homosexuals |
Someday they will learn that homosexuality will never be accepted by
decent people.
Man/Woman marriage today, Man/Woman tomorrow, Man?Woman marriage
forever...
Baptists and homosexuals
N.C. Baptist Convention upholds scripture by calling a sin a sin
The founder of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network has
taken the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina to task for
excluding homosexuals from the denomination ("Baptists again side with
cause of exclusion," Nov. 19). The convention did no such thing.
What the convention did do was pass a resolution in which current
member churches that ordain homosexual clergy, make public statements
supporting homosexuality, baptize or allow openly homosexual members
would be disassociated from the convention. As one spokesman said, the
reason the convention felt the need for action was that homosexuality
seems to be the only sin with its own advocacy group. The convention's
intention is to hold member churches accountable to the authority of
scripture.
The convention's resolution is not even close to being the same thing
as excluding homosexuals. In fact, most churches, including the
Baptists, would welcome the chance to minister to homosexuals. They are
certainly valuable in God's eyes and they are valuable in the eyes of
Christians. Just because Christians reject homosexuality and the
homosexual agenda of normalizing what they view as immoral, that
doesn't mean they are not fulfilling the second greatest commandment,
"Love your neighbor as yourself."
The error here results from confusion over what is love and what is
sympathy. Sympathy would make no demands and would encourage whatever
seems to fulfill the individual at the moment. Love involves a certain
accountability and discipline. I love my children, but I don't let them
engage in harmful behavior just because they think it's fun. Why would
Christians accept and condone a lifestyle that runs counter to biblical
teaching when that lifestyle results in reducing the practitioner's
life span by an average of 20 years?
Trying to jump on the civil rights bandwagon by condemning the church's
conduct in dealing with racism and slavery in the South is not a very
good argument, for these reasons:
1. Ethnicity is not determined by conduct. No one does anything to be
born of a particular race. Scripture plainly states that there is to be
no distinction of race, gender or social status for Christians, that
all are equal before God.
3. The Bible gives very clear and consistent instructions of how we are
to conduct ourselves in the area of sexuality. Homosexual activists
condemn the church for ignoring biblical teaching in the area of race
relations, but then turn around and ask it to ignore biblical teachings
when it comes to sexuality. Go figure.
The solution is simple. Members of the N.C. Baptist Convention
certainly believe man was created in the image of God. Implicit in this
is the idea that God designed us a certain way and has placed moral
demands on us in every area of life.
The only thing homosexual activists have to do to get the convention to
reverse what they view as a misguided resolution is to explain to them
how the human body designed by God was designed for homosexual sex.
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| User: "Positive Sex Fiend" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists and homosexuals |
08 Dec 2006 09:53:29 AM |
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"bob&carole" <bobandcarole555@hotmail.com> wrote:
Someday they will learn that homosexuality will never be accepted by
decent people.
Man/Woman marriage today, Man/Woman tomorrow, Man?Woman marriage
forever...
I see, "bob&carole", that you question is man/woman marriage should be the
only marriage in the future. I do not question it. I believe that
homosexuals should be allow (or, in your case, forced) to marry.
Baptists and homosexuals
N.C. Baptist Convention upholds scripture by calling a sin a sin
And by calling the kettle black.
The founder of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network has
taken the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina to task for
excluding homosexuals from the denomination ("Baptists again side with
cause of exclusion," Nov. 19). The convention did no such thing.
Oh no? Well maybe you should read on, disembodied narrator in my head.
What the convention did do was pass a resolution in which current
member churches that ordain homosexual clergy, make public statements
supporting homosexuality, baptize or allow openly homosexual members
would be disassociated from the convention.
So the Bible-thumping closet *****-suckers are "excluding" their
out-of-the-closet bretheren, they are "disassociating" them. Gotcha! HUGE
difference there!
As one spokesman said, the
reason the convention felt the need for action was that homosexuality
seems to be the only sin with its own advocacy group.
Then obviously the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina needs to get
out more!
The convention's
intention is to hold member churches accountable to the authority of
scripture.
And Jesus certainly had a lot to say about homosexuality, didn't he?
The convention's resolution is not even close to being the same thing
as excluding homosexuals.
"Excluding" begins with an "e" and has 9 letters in it, whereas
"disassociating" begins with a "d" and has 14 letters. Why can't the
heathens see this??? It must be that the Devil has blinded them to the
ways of God's grammar!
In fact, most churches, including the
Baptists, would welcome the chance to minister to homosexuals.
They have lots of money and can be made to feel bad about themselves, which
makes the Bible-thumpers feel good about THEMselves!
They are
certainly valuable in God's eyes and they are valuable in the eyes of
Christians.
And Christian Churches' bank accounts.
Just because Christians reject homosexuality and the
homosexual agenda of normalizing what they view as immoral, that
doesn't mean they are not fulfilling the second greatest commandment,
"Love your neighbor as yourself."
And great Christians like Ted Haggert, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, et al.
are great at LOVING their neighbor!!!
The error here results from confusion over what is love and what is
sympathy. Sympathy would make no demands and would encourage whatever
seems to fulfill the individual at the moment. Love involves a certain
accountability and discipline. I love my children, but I don't let them
engage in harmful behavior just because they think it's fun. Why would
Christians accept and condone a lifestyle that runs counter to biblical
teaching when that lifestyle results in reducing the practitioner's
life span by an average of 20 years?
Again, what does Jesus say about homosexuality???
Trying to jump on the civil rights bandwagon by condemning the church's
conduct in dealing with racism and slavery in the South is not a very
good argument, for these reasons:
Mostly because it would make the church look bad, and that just isn't fair!
1. Ethnicity is not determined by conduct. No one does anything to be
born of a particular race. Scripture plainly states that there is to be
no distinction of race, gender or social status for Christians, that
all are equal before God.
Too bad the Baptists didn't pay attention to that. Are they joining the
other southern Christian churches in saying what a positive thing slavery
was for blacks?
3. The Bible gives very clear and consistent instructions of how we are
to conduct ourselves in the area of sexuality. Homosexual activists
condemn the church for ignoring biblical teaching in the area of race
relations, but then turn around and ask it to ignore biblical teachings
when it comes to sexuality. Go figure.
What was it that Jesus said about homosexuality?
The solution is simple. Members of the N.C. Baptist Convention
certainly believe man was created in the image of God. Implicit in this
is the idea that God designed us a certain way and has placed moral
demands on us in every area of life.
Well then God must be at least bisexual, because He created enough
homosexuals in His image.
The only thing homosexual activists have to do to get the convention to
reverse what they view as a misguided resolution is to explain to them
how the human body designed by God was designed for homosexual sex.
Well, penis DOES fit nicely into the ***** (and this insertion feels VERY
good for both parties! Like it was MADE to go in there) and lesbians just
look TOO sexy and right together NOT to have been created by God to lick
carpet. So, there you have it: PROOF that God wants us to fag out!!!!
Break out the KY Jelly, everyone, it is time to worship the Lord!!!
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| User: "bob&carole" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists and homosexuals |
08 Dec 2006 10:02:12 AM |
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Positive Sex Fiend wrote:
"bob&carole" <bobandcarole555@hotmail.com> wrote:
Someday they will learn that homosexuality will never be accepted by
decent people.
Man/Woman marriage today, Man/Woman tomorrow, Man?Woman marriage
forever...
I see, "bob&carole", that you question is man/woman marriage should be the
only marriage in the future. I do not question it. I believe that
homosexuals should be allow (or, in your case, forced) to marry.
What do YOU care, pedophile?
You think it's acceptable to ***** children.....
Baptists and homosexuals
N.C. Baptist Convention upholds scripture by calling a sin a sin
And by calling the kettle black.
Fighting with the truth again, pedo boi?
<snip pedo babbling>
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| User: "Positive Sex Fiend" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists and homosexuals |
08 Dec 2006 10:06:38 AM |
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"bob&carole" <bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com> wrote:
Positive Sex Fiend wrote:
"bob&carole" <bobandcarole555@hotmail.com> wrote:
Someday they will learn that homosexuality will never be accepted by
decent people.
Man/Woman marriage today, Man/Woman tomorrow, Man?Woman marriage
forever...
I see, "bob&carole", that you question is man/woman marriage should be
the only marriage in the future. I do not question it. I believe that
homosexuals should be allow (or, in your case, forced) to marry.
What do YOU care, pedophile?
You think it's acceptable to ***** children.....
Children, adults, groups of adults. I care because I think that sex is the
most positive experience that two (or more) people can experince and
shouldn't be limited to the very few experiences alloted to us by voyeurs
and respressed closeters such as yourself.
Baptists and homosexuals
N.C. Baptist Convention upholds scripture by calling a sin a sin
And by calling the kettle black.
Fighting with the truth again, pedo boi?
Yes, the Bible is so full of facts. Here a fact you could enlight us with:
what does Jesus say about homosexuality???
<snip pedo babbling>
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| User: "bobandcarole" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists and homosexuals |
08 Dec 2006 10:55:12 AM |
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Positive Sex Fiend wrote:
"bob&carole" <bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com> wrote:
Positive Sex Fiend wrote:
"bob&carole" <bobandcarole555@hotmail.com> wrote:
Someday they will learn that homosexuality will never be accepted by
decent people.
Man/Woman marriage today, Man/Woman tomorrow, Man?Woman marriage
forever...
I see, "bob&carole", that you question is man/woman marriage should be
the only marriage in the future. I do not question it. I believe that
homosexuals should be allow (or, in your case, forced) to marry.
What do YOU care, pedophile?
You think it's acceptable to ***** children.....
Children, adults, groups of adults.
What a sick fucking *****.
You forgot animals and trees with knotholes.
I care because I think that sex is the
most positive experience that two (or more) people can experince and
shouldn't be limited to the very few experiences alloted to us by voyeurs
and respressed closeters such as yourself.
"respressed" ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
It's past time for school, did you miss the small bus today?
Baptists and homosexuals
N.C. Baptist Convention upholds scripture by calling a sin a sin
And by calling the kettle black.
Fighting with the truth again, pedo boi?
Yes, the Bible is so full of facts. Here a fact you could enlight us with:
what does Jesus say about homosexuality???
<snip pedo babbling>
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| User: "Positive Sex Fiend" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists and homosexuals |
08 Dec 2006 10:55:55 AM |
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"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole222@hotmail.com> wrote:
Positive Sex Fiend wrote:
"bob&carole" <bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com> wrote:
Positive Sex Fiend wrote:
"bob&carole" <bobandcarole555@hotmail.com> wrote:
Someday they will learn that homosexuality will never be accepted
by decent people.
Man/Woman marriage today, Man/Woman tomorrow, Man?Woman marriage
forever...
I see, "bob&carole", that you question is man/woman marriage should
be the only marriage in the future. I do not question it. I
believe that homosexuals should be allow (or, in your case, forced)
to marry.
What do YOU care, pedophile?
You think it's acceptable to ***** children.....
Children, adults, groups of adults.
What a sick fucking *****.
You forgot animals and trees with knotholes.
Unlike you I only stick my ***** into human beings!
I care because I think that sex is the
most positive experience that two (or more) people can experince and
shouldn't be limited to the very few experiences alloted to us by
voyeurs and respressed closeters such as yourself.
"respressed" ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
It's past time for school, did you miss the small bus today?
I did. As you were driving it past me you didn't bother to look up from
the little boy ***** you were sucking.
Baptists and homosexuals
N.C. Baptist Convention upholds scripture by calling a sin a sin
And by calling the kettle black.
Fighting with the truth again, pedo boi?
Yes, the Bible is so full of facts. Here a fact you could enlight us
with: what does Jesus say about homosexuality???
And what, exactly, was it that Jesus said about homosexuality???
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists and homosexuals |
08 Dec 2006 11:16:03 AM |
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In article <20061208115926.998$Ks@newsreader.com> (Positive Sex Fiend) writes:
"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole222@hotmail.com> wrote:
Positive Sex Fiend wrote:
"bob&carole" <bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com> wrote:
Positive Sex Fiend wrote:
"bob&carole" <bobandcarole555@hotmail.com> wrote:
Someday they will learn that homosexuality will never be accepted
by decent people.
Man/Woman marriage today, Man/Woman tomorrow, Man?Woman marriage
forever...
I see, "bob&carole", that you question is man/woman marriage should
be the only marriage in the future. I do not question it. I
believe that homosexuals should be allow (or, in your case, forced)
to marry.
What do YOU care, pedophile?
You think it's acceptable to ***** children.....
Children, adults, groups of adults.
What a sick fucking *****.
You forgot animals and trees with knotholes.
Unlike you I only stick my ***** into human beings!
I care because I think that sex is the
most positive experience that two (or more) people can experince and
shouldn't be limited to the very few experiences alloted to us by
voyeurs and respressed closeters such as yourself.
"respressed" ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
It's past time for school, did you miss the small bus today?
I did. As you were driving it past me you didn't bother to look up from
the little boy ***** you were sucking.
Baptists and homosexuals
N.C. Baptist Convention upholds scripture by calling a sin a sin
And by calling the kettle black.
Fighting with the truth again, pedo boi?
Yes, the Bible is so full of facts. Here a fact you could enlight us
with: what does Jesus say about homosexuality???
And what, exactly, was it that Jesus said about homosexuality???
Oh, hey, I already gave B&C the answer for that one.
But I'll repeat it here anyhow.
-- cary
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists and homosexuals |
09 Dec 2006 06:06:31 AM |
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Positive Sex Fiend wrote:
Well, penis DOES fit nicely into the ***** (and this insertion feels VERY
good for both parties! Like it was MADE to go in there) and lesbians just
look TOO sexy and right together NOT to have been created by God to lick
carpet. So, there you have it: PROOF that God wants us to fag out!!!!
Break out the KY Jelly, everyone, it is time to worship the Lord!!!
Amen.
Question: How does age play into this? I always assumed butt fucking a
boy would hurt him. Is that not true. Given the three alternatives: 1)
boy sucks man, 2) man deep throats boy or 3) man butt fucks boy, which
is the boy likely to find most pleasureable?
Sorry if my questions are too basic. I had some marginally successful
boy/boy love experiences years ago and fantasies about man/boy love for
the last thirty years or so. I'll hopefully be able to say that I'm
"new" to the man/boy love scene within a few weeks. I want to do it
right though, if I do it at all. I certainly don't want to speed weeks
grooming a boy only to hurt him or gross him out the first time I bed
him.
So I get the grooming stuff. Spend time with him, develop some
interests, share some fun experiences. I think taking him swimming
where there is a locker room and showers is a good grooming step. Get
him used to being touched. Then a little massage, an innocent nap
together. An innocent touch between the legs while wrestling, a
not-so-innocent touch between the legs, a hand job and then a lot of
blow jobs and the boy is ready.
But what comes next? I thought 69 would be the way to go, but I could
see that a boy unfamiliar with semen might gap or choke. Or be grossed
out. Maybe I should let him give me a hand job so he can see just how
big it gets and what is cumming. All this before he gets it in his
mouth. But if he's likely to like getting it in the butt, why not just
start there and be done with it.
Make sense?
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| User: "Secret Squirrel" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists and homosexuals |
10 Dec 2006 07:50:46 AM |
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Laurence Taylor <see-headers@nospam.plus.com> wrote in
news:457b0a8a$0$8757$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net:
Laurence, if I may, I would like to add alt.education so others
can get to read your sensible replies.
chetty_fox@yahoo.ca wrote:
Positive Sex Fiend wrote:
Well, penis DOES fit nicely into the ***** (and this
insertion feels VERY good for both parties! Like it was
MADE to go in there) and lesbians just look TOO sexy and
right together NOT to have been created by God to lick
carpet. So, there you have it: PROOF that God wants us to
fag out!!!! Break out the KY Jelly, everyone, it is time
to worship the Lord!!!
Amen.
Question: How does age play into this? I always assumed
butt fucking a boy would hurt him. Is that not true. Given
the three alternatives: 1) boy sucks man, 2) man deep
throats boy or 3) man butt fucks boy, which is the boy
likely to find most pleasureable?
It depends. You'd have to ask what he enjoys doing.
And why limit it to all those things being done _to_ the
boy? Why not let him do stuff (if he so desires)?
Sorry if my questions are too basic. I had some marginally
successful boy/boy love experiences years ago and
fantasies about man/boy love for the last thirty years or
so. I'll hopefully be able to say that I'm "new" to the
man/boy love scene within a few weeks. I want to do it
right though, if I do it at all. I certainly don't want to
speed weeks grooming a boy only to hurt him or gross him
out the first time I bed him.
From your description, "love" doesn't seem to come into it
very much.
It all seem to be about what you want. What about what he
wants?
So I get the grooming stuff. Spend time with him, develop
some interests, share some fun experiences. I think taking
him swimming where there is a locker room and showers is a
good grooming step. Get him used to being touched. Then a
little massage, an innocent nap together. An innocent
touch between the legs while wrestling, a not-so-innocent
touch between the legs, a hand job and then a lot of blow
jobs and the boy is ready.
What's wrong with spending time with him and sharing
experiences _without_ thinking about whether you get to
shag him afterwards? Why not just enjoy his company - and
let him enjoy yours - for its own sake, without an ulterior
motive?
But what comes next? I thought 69 would be the way to go,
but I could see that a boy unfamiliar with semen might gap
or choke. Or be grossed out. Maybe I should let him give
me a hand job so he can see just how big it gets and what
is cumming. All this before he gets it in his mouth. But
if he's likely to like getting it in the butt, why not
just start there and be done with it.
If you want a short cut to Bubba, why not just put a brick
through a window?
Make sense?
Only to someone as selfish and emotionless as you.
Personally, whenever I read "chetty_fox"'s posts I can't help
but to doubt whether he's a real boylover.
In the bad old days, when homosexuality was considered
a mental illness, straights fell in love whereas gays just
had wanton sex. Now that most have grown up a bit and can
see that people of both orientations can fall in love, now
it's pedosexuality that is always just wanton, manipulative,
lust. Chetty_Fox's posts appear to seem to serve to
reinforce that very stereotype.
Now, it's just possible that things are as he has said (though
I really have a hard time imagining the practicality of
someone driving 100 miles to have sex with who he thinks will
be a 12 or 13-yo boy. Anyone with any sense, I should say).
I'm sure that pedosexuals can be selfish and manipulative and
as obsessed with "scoring" just like heterosexuals and
homosexuals in a bar setting can be. But I still hold to the
axiom that one's primary sexual orientation is defined by who
you fall in love with. It's who you love, not who you can shag,
that makes you who you are.
And the thing that strikes me about boylovers is the lengths
that many, maybe most, will go for that love, including
abstaining from a sexual relationship or respecting the fact
that the beloved does not want it or might later regret it. In
fact, as I've also said, one of the *dangers* I've witnessed
about such relationships can be that the elder is so head-over-
heels infatuated with the younger that he can suffer big-time
lapses of judgement, doing things which are not in either's
best interests in an effort to keep the relationship going.
"Chetty_fox"'s posts, by contrast, are all about "what
(sexual gratification) can I get out of him?"
And that, coincidentally, is the very stereotype that the
haters prefer.
Secret Squirrel
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| User: "Positive Sex Fiend" |
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| Title: Re: Baptists and homosexuals |
10 Dec 2006 08:58:11 AM |
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Secret Squirrel <ssquirrel@nottheremailer.net> wrote:
Laurence Taylor <see-headers@nospam.plus.com> wrote in
news:457b0a8a$0$8757$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net:
Laurence, if I may, I would like to add alt.education so others
can get to read your sensible replies.
chetty_fox@yahoo.ca wrote:
Positive Sex Fiend wrote:
Well, penis DOES fit nicely into the ***** (and this
insertion feels VERY good for both parties! Like it was
MADE to go in there) and lesbians just look TOO sexy and
right together NOT to have been created by God to lick
carpet. So, there you have it: PROOF that God wants us to
fag out!!!! Break out the KY Jelly, everyone, it is time
to worship the Lord!!!
Amen.
Question: How does age play into this? I always assumed
butt fucking a boy would hurt him. Is that not true. Given
the three alternatives: 1) boy sucks man, 2) man deep
throats boy or 3) man butt fucks boy, which is the boy
likely to find most pleasureable?
It depends. You'd have to ask what he enjoys doing.
And why limit it to all those things being done _to_ the
boy? Why not let him do stuff (if he so desires)?
Sorry if my questions are too basic. I had some marginally
successful boy/boy love experiences years ago and
fantasies about man/boy love for the last thirty years or
so. I'll hopefully be able to say that I'm "new" to the
man/boy love scene within a few weeks. I want to do it
right though, if I do it at all. I certainly don't want to
speed weeks grooming a boy only to hurt him or gross him
out the first time I bed him.
From your description, "love" doesn't seem to come into it
very much.
It all seem to be about what you want. What about what he
wants?
So I get the grooming stuff. Spend time with him, develop
some interests, share some fun experiences. I think taking
him swimming where there is a locker room and showers is a
good grooming step. Get him used to being touched. Then a
little massage, an innocent nap together. An innocent
touch between the legs while wrestling, a not-so-innocent
touch between the legs, a hand job and then a lot of blow
jobs and the boy is ready.
What's wrong with spending time with him and sharing
experiences _without_ thinking about whether you get to
shag him afterwards? Why not just enjoy his company - and
let him enjoy yours - for its own sake, without an ulterior
motive?
But what comes next? I thought 69 would be the way to go,
but I could see that a boy unfamiliar with semen might gap
or choke. Or be grossed out. Maybe I should let him give
me a hand job so he can see just how big it gets and what
is cumming. All this before he gets it in his mouth. But
if he's likely to like getting it in the butt, why not
just start there and be done with it.
If you want a short cut to Bubba, why not just put a brick
through a window?
Make sense?
Only to someone as selfish and emotionless as you.
Personally, whenever I read "chetty_fox"'s posts I can't help
but to doubt whether he's a real boylover.
In the bad old days, when homosexuality was considered
a mental illness, straights fell in love whereas gays just
had wanton sex. Now that most have grown up a bit and can
see that people of both orientations can fall in love, now
it's pedosexuality that is always just wanton, manipulative,
lust. Chetty_Fox's posts appear to seem to serve to
reinforce that very stereotype.
Now, it's just possible that things are as he has said (though
I really have a hard time imagining the practicality of
someone driving 100 miles to have sex with who he thinks will
be a 12 or 13-yo boy. Anyone with any sense, I should say).
Just watch To Catch A Predator on NBC and you will see it. Guys who travel
hundreds of miles to be with willing kids (or at least who they THINK are
kids). I have also known adult-oriented people to do the same. My
roommate in college flew from the East Coast to New Mexico to spend a
weekend with a girl he met on the internet (actually, it was the ARPANET at
the time). The sex drive is VERY strong and when people are forced to
suppress that drive they are often willing to go to extreme lengths to
fulfill it. If you are a pedophile and you can't find any willing children
around you your options are: 1) suppress your desires (how long is that
going to last? For some people not too long), 2) force a child (for MOST
pedophiles that is not an option that they are willing to explore), or 3)
travel to long distances because you have found someone who has similar
desires as you.
I'm sure that pedosexuals can be selfish and manipulative and
as obsessed with "scoring" just like heterosexuals and
homosexuals in a bar setting can be. But I still hold to the
axiom that one's primary sexual orientation is defined by who
you fall in love with. It's who you love, not who you can shag,
that makes you who you are.
And the thing that strikes me about boylovers is the lengths
that many, maybe most, will go for that love, including
abstaining from a sexual relationship or respecting the fact
that the beloved does not want it or might later regret it. In
fact, as I've also said, one of the *dangers* I've witnessed
about such relationships can be that the elder is so head-over-
heels infatuated with the younger that he can suffer big-time
lapses of judgement, doing things which are not in either's
best interests in an effort to keep the relationship going.
"Chetty_fox"'s posts, by contrast, are all about "what
(sexual gratification) can I get out of him?"
And that, coincidentally, is the very stereotype that the
haters prefer.
Secret Squirrel
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"Pedophilia is as much a part of him as is love for the same or opposite
sex for the homosexual or heterosexual man or woman, the difference being
that the one is accepted, while the other is categorically forbidden and
virtually impossible to realize. In view of the pedophile's burden, the
necessity of denying himself the experience of love and sexuality, he
deserves respect, rather than contempt." - Gunter Schmidt, The dilemma of
the male pedophile. Archives of Sexual Behavior. New York: Dec 2002.Vol.31,
Iss. 6; pg. 473, 5 pgs
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10 Dec 2006 06:49:10 PM |
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positivesexfiend@hotmail.com (Positive Sex Fiend) wrote in
news:20061210100205.568$6w@newsreader.com:
Secret Squirrel <ssquirrel@nottheremailer.net> wrote:
Now, it's just possible that things are as he has said
(though I really have a hard time imagining the
practicality of someone driving 100 miles to have sex with
who he thinks will be a 12 or 13-yo boy. Anyone with any
sense, I should say).
Just watch To Catch A Predator on NBC and you will see it.
Guys who travel hundreds of miles to be with willing kids
(or at least who they THINK are kids). I have also known
adult-oriented people to do the same. My roommate in
college flew from the East Coast to New Mexico to spend a
weekend with a girl he met on the internet (actually, it
was the ARPANET at the time). The sex drive is VERY strong
and when people are forced to suppress that drive they are
often willing to go to extreme lengths to fulfill it. If
you are a pedophile and you can't find any willing children
around you your options are: 1) suppress your desires (how
long is that going to last? For some people not too long),
2) force a child (for MOST pedophiles that is not an option
that they are willing to explore), or 3) travel to long
distances because you have found someone who has similar
desires as you.
Yeah but consider the reality--assuming that this is an online
hookup--how many 12-yos have unrestricted access to a computer?
Yes, maybe a few, but not that many. I myself spend time in
adult gay personal sites and groups, and yes, you do see teens
below the AOC there who've lied about their age to get in--no
doubt about it. But I've never seen any 12-yo.
If I were in an adult chat room and was pinged by someone who
claimed he was 12, the first thing I'd think was that this
person was a role-playing middle-aged adult. ;-) If he wanted
to persue a hookup, that would set off all sorts of alarms, as
the 2nd thing I'd think was that this was a sting, either run
by the police or run by a vigilante group. (More likely in my
case the latter, as I wouldn't be advertising for hookups
with minors, and I would hope that the police know that just
trolling to see if they can entrap people wouldn't stand up
to legal review). That's why I said "if they had any sense".
Now I admit, that the chances of meeting real 12-yos might
increase if someone lied about their age to get into
children's groups and chat rooms instead of spending time
in adult, sexually oriented rooms and sites...but that would
be even more risky, as one would suppose that children who
were talking about video games or cartoons or skateboarding
or the like wouldn't be alarmed by someone bringing up s-e-x,
and that at least one of them wouldn't report it. Again,
the phrase "if they had any sense" comes to mind.
Yeah, sex can cause people to do stupid things; I'll be the
first to admit it. If someone was online and they met their
supposed eager 12-yo and found out that he was just down the
street; yeah, I can see that someone might fail a wisdom
check and agree to a hookup. But driving 100 miles? That's
lots of opportunity to think things over, and the more
thinking you do, the more bad things you can see coming out
of it.
That's why I presume that many of said "TV predators" are
twentysomethings, young adults, just like the bulk of my
jurisdiction's sex offenders are twentysomethings.
Twentysomethings are not known for good judgements.
With hookups among adults, some of these problems disappear
as the encounter itself would not raise legal difficulties,
but even there, it's wise to follow certain precautions.
There used to be a FAQ for the gay personals usenet group
that offered good advice.
Secret Squirrel
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11 Dec 2006 02:56:57 AM |
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positivesexfiend@hotmail.com (Positive Sex Fiend) wrote in
news:20061210100205.568$6w@newsreader.com:
Secret Squirrel <ssquirrel@nottheremailer.net> wrote:
Now, it's just possible that things are as he has said
(though I really have a hard time imagining the
practicality of someone driving 100 miles to have sex with
who he thinks will be a 12 or 13-yo boy. Anyone with any
sense, I should say).
Just watch To Catch A Predator on NBC and you will see it.
Guys who travel hundreds of miles to be with willing kids
(or at least who they THINK are kids). I have also known
adult-oriented people to do the same. My roommate in
college flew from the East Coast to New Mexico to spend a
weekend with a girl he met on the internet (actually, it
was the ARPANET at the time). The sex drive is VERY strong
and when people are forced to suppress that drive they are
often willing to go to extreme lengths to fulfill it. If
you are a pedophile and you can't find any willing children
around you your options are: 1) suppress your desires (how
long is that going to last? For some people not too long),
2) force a child (for MOST pedophiles that is not an option
that they are willing to explore), or 3) travel to long
distances because you have found someone who has similar
desires as you.
Yeah but consider the reality--assuming that this is an online
hookup--how many 12-yos have unrestricted access to a computer?
Yes, maybe a few, but not that many. I myself spend time in
adult gay personal sites and groups,
LOL...I'm not surprised
and yes, you do see teens
below the AOC there who've lied about their age to get in--no
doubt about it. But I've never seen any 12-yo.
If I were in an adult chat room and was pinged by someone who
claimed he was 12, the first thing I'd think was that this
person was a role-playing middle-aged adult. ;-) If he wanted
to persue a hookup, that would set off all sorts of alarms, as
the 2nd thing I'd think was that this was a sting, either run
by the police or run by a vigilante group. (More likely in my
case the latter, as I wouldn't be advertising for hookups
with minors, and I would hope that the police know that just
trolling to see if they can entrap people wouldn't stand up
to legal review). That's why I said "if they had any sense".
Now I admit, that the chances of meeting real 12-yos might
increase if someone lied about their age to get into
children's groups and chat rooms instead of spending time
in adult, sexually oriented rooms and sites...but that would
be even more risky, as one would suppose that children who
were talking about video games or cartoons or skateboarding
or the like wouldn't be alarmed by someone bringing up s-e-x,
and that at least one of them wouldn't report it. Again,
the phrase "if they had any sense" comes to mind.
Yeah, sex can cause people to do stupid things; I'll be the
first to admit it. If someone was online and they met their
supposed eager 12-yo and found out that he was just down the
street; yeah, I can see that someone might fail a wisdom
check and agree to a hookup.
You "can see that" huh?
A 12 year old child.......
And it claims it isn't sick.
But driving 100 miles? That's
lots of opportunity to think things over, and the more
thinking you do, the more bad things you can see coming out
of it.
That's why I presume that many of said "TV predators" are
twentysomethings,
You presume wrong, as usual.
Most are old, ugly, baldheaded lechers...probably like you.
young adults, just like the bulk of my
jurisdiction's sex offenders are twentysomethings.
Twentysomethings are not known for good judgements.
No pedophile has "good judgement"
With hookups among adults, some of these problems disappear
as the encounter itself would not raise legal difficulties,
but even there, it's wise to follow certain precautions.
There used to be a FAQ for the gay personals usenet group
that offered good advice.
Secret Squirrel
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11 Dec 2006 09:53:31 AM |
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"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole444@hotmail.com> wrote:
Anonymous pedophile "secret" squirrel wrote:
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positivesexfiend@hotmail.com (Positive Sex Fiend) wrote in
news:20061210100205.568$6w@newsreader.com:
Secret Squirrel <ssquirrel@nottheremailer.net> wrote:
Now, it's just possible that things are as he has said
(though I really have a hard time imagining the
practicality of someone driving 100 miles to have sex with
who he thinks will be a 12 or 13-yo boy. Anyone with any
sense, I should say).
Just watch To Catch A Predator on NBC and you will see it.
Guys who travel hundreds of miles to be with willing kids
(or at least who they THINK are kids). I have also known
adult-oriented people to do the same. My roommate in
college flew from the East Coast to New Mexico to spend a
weekend with a girl he met on the internet (actually, it
was the ARPANET at the time). The sex drive is VERY strong
and when people are forced to suppress that drive they are
often willing to go to extreme lengths to fulfill it. If
you are a pedophile and you can't find any willing children
around you your options are: 1) suppress your desires (how
long is that going to last? For some people not too long),
2) force a child (for MOST pedophiles that is not an option
that they are willing to explore), or 3) travel to long
distances because you have found someone who has similar
desires as you.
Yeah but consider the reality--assuming that this is an online
hookup--how many 12-yos have unrestricted access to a computer?
Yes, maybe a few, but not that many. I myself spend time in
adult gay personal sites and groups,
LOL...I'm not surprised
Only an idiot like "bobandcarole" would think it is embarrassing that
someone who is "out" goes to gay sites. What a fucking retard!
and yes, you do see teens
below the AOC there who've lied about their age to get in--no
doubt about it. But I've never seen any 12-yo.
If I were in an adult chat room and was pinged by someone who
claimed he was 12, the first thing I'd think was that this
person was a role-playing middle-aged adult. ;-) If he wanted
to persue a hookup, that would set off all sorts of alarms, as
the 2nd thing I'd think was that this was a sting, either run
by the police or run by a vigilante group. (More likely in my
case the latter, as I wouldn't be advertising for hookups
with minors, and I would hope that the police know that just
trolling to see if they can entrap people wouldn't stand up
to legal review). That's why I said "if they had any sense".
Now I admit, that the chances of meeting real 12-yos might
increase if someone lied about their age to get into
children's groups and chat rooms instead of spending time
in adult, sexually oriented rooms and sites...but that would
be even more risky, as one would suppose that children who
were talking about video games or cartoons or skateboarding
or the like wouldn't be alarmed by someone bringing up s-e-x,
and that at least one of them wouldn't report it. Again,
the phrase "if they had any sense" comes to mind.
Yeah, sex can cause people to do stupid things; I'll be the
first to admit it. If someone was online and they met their
supposed eager 12-yo and found out that he was just down the
street; yeah, I can see that someone might fail a wisdom
check and agree to a hookup.
You "can see that" huh?
A 12 year old child.......
And it claims it isn't sick.
But driving 100 miles? That's
lots of opportunity to think things over, and the more
thinking you do, the more bad things you can see coming out
of it.
That's why I presume that many of said "TV predators" are
twentysomethings,
You presume wrong, as usual.
Most are old, ugly, baldheaded lechers...probably like you.
young adults, just like the bulk of my
jurisdiction's sex offenders are twentysomethings.
Twentysomethings are not known for good judgements.
No pedophile has "good judgement"
With hookups among adults, some of these problems disappear
as the encounter itself would not raise legal difficulties,
but even there, it's wise to follow certain precautions.
There used to be a FAQ for the gay personals usenet group
that offered good advice.
Secret Squirrel
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"Pedophilia is as much a part of him as is love for the same or opposite
sex for the homosexual or heterosexual man or woman, the difference being
that the one is accepted, while the other is categorically forbidden and
virtually impossible to realize. In view of the pedophile's burden, the
necessity of denying himself the experience of love and sexuality, he
deserves respect, rather than contempt." - Gunter Schmidt, The dilemma of
the male pedophile. Archives of Sexual Behavior. New York: Dec 2002.Vol.31,
Iss. 6; pg. 473, 5 pgs
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12 Dec 2006 03:01:31 PM |
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"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole444@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1165827417.025173.243570@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
Secret Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, sex can cause people to do stupid things; I'll be
the first to admit it. If someone was online and they met
their supposed eager 12-yo and found out that he was just
down the street; yeah, I can see that someone might fail a
wisdom check and agree to a hookup.
You "can see that" huh?
A 12 year old child.......
Sure. Just like a moment of horniness can get people to try
to "score" with their best friend's spouse; there's been no
lack of examples of that. Doesn't mean that either is a very
smart thing to do.
And it claims it isn't sick.
Mental illness (sociopathy) is your specialty, B&C. Sexual
attraction to prepubescent children among males has been measured
in up to 25 %. That's way too common to be a mental
illness. And we're not even talking about attraction to
sexually mature high school cheerleaders; that would probably
raise the score to 90 %+.
But driving 100 miles? That's
lots of opportunity to think things over, and the more
thinking you do, the more bad things you can see coming
out of it.
That's why I presume that many of said "TV predators" are
twentysomethings,
You presume wrong, as usual.
Most are old, ugly, baldheaded lechers...probably like you.
Cites? Only 2-10 % of sex offenders who have sex with children
are pedophiles (I was surprised it was that low, in fact):
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia>
Those who have committed sexual crimes against children, but
do not meet the normal diagnosis criteria for pedophilia, are
referred to as situational, opportunistic, or regressed
offenders, whereas offenders primarily attracted toward
children are called structured, preferential, or fixated
pedophiles, as their orientation is fixed by the structure of
their personality. It is estimated that only 2 to 10 percent
of child sexual abuse perpetrators meet the regular criteria
for pedophilia. (Kinsey-Report, Lautmann, Brongersma,
Groth).
Couple this with the fact that most AOC laws draw the line
well past the point of sexual maturity, and thus involve
sexually mature teens, means the bulk of those that you and
your pals at perverted-justice rant over aren't pedophiles
at all. They're just normal people who committed a risky and
foolish act, who let their passions get the better of them.
Then again perhaps, looking at the fuzzy-faced 20-year old
males who compose the bulk of my jurisdiction's sex offender
registry, maybe I shouldn't be surprised at the numbers at
all.
Secret Squirrel
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12 Dec 2006 03:20:28 PM |
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Anonymous pedophile "secret" squirrel wrote:
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"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole444@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1165827417.025173.243570@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
Secret Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, sex can cause people to do stupid things; I'll be
the first to admit it. If someone was online and they met
their supposed eager 12-yo and found out that he was just
down the street; yeah, I can see that someone might fail a
wisdom check and agree to a hookup.
You "can see that" huh?
A 12 year old child.......
Sure. Just like a moment of horniness can get people to try
to "score" with their best friend's spouse; there's been no
lack of examples of that. Doesn't mean that either is a very
smart thing to do.
Then they should turn themselves in to the Police and seek help.
And it claims it isn't sick.
Mental illness (sociopathy) is your specialty, B&C.
And I don't see an MD after your name, sick pedophile.
Therefore you are not qualified to make such a
ridiculous claim, but that fact never stopped you before.
Sexual
attraction to prepubescent children among males has been measured
in up to 25 %.
LOL, 1 in 4 males are pedophiles?? :-)
We aren't buying it, so stop selling it.
But driving 100 miles? That's
lots of opportunity to think things over, and the more
thinking you do, the more bad things you can see coming
out of it.
That's why I presume that many of said "TV predators" are
twentysomethings,
You presume wrong, as usual.
Most are old, ugly, baldheaded lechers...probably like you.
Cites?
Watch the show, that is if you own a TV.
Only 2-10 % of sex offenders who have sex with children
are pedophiles (I was surprised it was that low, in fact):
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia>
From its own source.
A number of proposed treatment techniques for pedophilia have been
developed. Many regard pedophilia as highly resistant to psychological
interference and have dismissed as ineffective most "reparative
strategies."[38] Others, such as Dr. Fred Berlin, believe pedophilia
can "indeed be successfully treated," if only the medical community
would give it more attention.[23] The reported success rate of modern
"reparative" treatment on pedophiles is very low.[38]
As I've stated before the only "cure" for baby raping is a 6X9 cage or
a bullet and I much prefer the latter.
Then again perhaps, looking at the fuzzy-faced 20-year old
males
Who shouldn't be fucking minors or boys for that matter...bottom line.
who compose the bulk of my jurisdiction's sex offender
registry, maybe I shouldn't be surprised at the numbers at
all.
"Don't do the crime if you can't do the time"--Tony Baretta
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13 Dec 2006 06:41:13 PM |
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"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole222@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1165958428.111612.31010@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
Secret Squirrel wrote:
"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole444@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1165827417.025173.243570@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
Secret Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, sex can cause people to do stupid things; I'll be
the first to admit it. If someone was online and they
met their supposed eager 12-yo and found out that he
was just down the street; yeah, I can see that someone
might fail a wisdom check and agree to a hookup.
You "can see that" huh?
A 12 year old child.......
Sure. Just like a moment of horniness can get people to
try to "score" with their best friend's spouse; there's
been no lack of examples of that. Doesn't mean that either
is a very smart thing to do.
Then they should turn themselves in to the Police and seek
help.
Why should they do either, if they don't do the deed? In
this country we prosecute deeds, not thoughts or temptations.
Or should we expand your advice for any who contemplate other
criminal activities? If someone thought about, say, cheating
on their taxes, stealing a wad of money from an open cash
register drawer, or killing their bothersome mother-in-law,
should these also "turn themselves in to the Police and seek
help?" even if they successfully put the temptation out of
their mind?
Here's something for you: close your eyes and try very, very,
hard about NOT thinking about having sex with a prepubescent
child. No cheating.
Did you just commit a thought crime, B&C?
Then again, there's something to be said for your POV.
There has been a poster on a LOT of usenet forums who's
openly, unashamedly, and enthusiastically endorsed criminal
activity---violence---against some of the other participants,
including lil' ol' me. Maybe you should "turn yourself in to
the Police and seek help". Good idea.
And it claims it isn't sick.
Mental illness (sociopathy) is your specialty, B&C.
And I don't see an MD after your name, sick pedophile.
Therefore you are not qualified to make such a
ridiculous claim, but that fact never stopped you before.
Sociopathy is the lack of empathy for your fellow human
beings. You exhibit that very trait in spades, each and every
day, to pedophiles (even non-offending ones), homosexuals,
people of different ethnic backgrounds, different skin hues,
different religious traditions, even those who just don't
want your little crusade interrupting the discussions in
their group but who might otherwise be inclined to agree with
you. You say you enjoy watching people get beat up, no one
with any empathy would say that.
No, one hardly needs a MD to diagnose what is obviously at
least a mild case of sociopathy. You want to make anyone, and
everyone, suffer.
Sexual
attraction to prepubescent children among males has been
measured in up to 25 %.
LOL, 1 in 4 males are pedophiles?? :-)
We aren't buying it, so stop selling it.
Reading comprehension challenged again? Here it is again:
Behavior Therapy 26, 681-694, 1995
Sexual Arousal and Arousability to Pedophilic Stimuli in a
Community Sample of Normal Men
GORDON C NAGAYAMA HALL
RICHARD HIRSCHMAN
LORI L. OLIVER
Kent State University
Self reported and physiological sexual arousal to adult and
pedophilic stimuli were examined among 80 men drawn from a
sample of volunteers. Over 1/4 of the current subjects
self-reported pedophilic interest or exhibited penile arousal
to pedophilic stimuli that equaled or exceeded arousal to
adult stimuli. The hypothesis that arousal to pedophilic
stimuli is a function of general sexual arousability factors
was supported in that pedophilic and adult heterosexual
arousal were positively correlated, particularly in the
physiological data. Subjects who were highly arousable,
insofar as they were unable to voluntarily and completely
inhibit their sexual arousal, were more sexually aroused by
all stimuli than were subjects who were able to inhibit their
sexual arousal. Thus, arousal to pedophilic stimuli does not
necessarily correspond with pedophilic behavior.
Oh, and BTW: these results match those of other studies.
- From a post you apparently neglected to read just the other
day, some of the tests showed a response up to 50 %!!
NONPEDOPHILES: PENILE RESPONSIVITY
Laboratory researchers have validated physiologically the
self-report studies of nonclinical, nonpedophile-- identified
volunteers. In a sample of 80 "normal" volunteers, over 25%
self-reported some pedophilic interest or in the
plethysmographic phase exhibited penile arousal to a child
that equaled or exceeded arousal to an adult (Hall,
Hirschman, & Oliver, 1995). In another study, "normal" men's
erections to pictures of pubescent and younger girls averaged
70 and 50%, respectively, of their responses to adult females
(Quinsey, Steinman, Bergersen, & Holmes, 1975). In a control
group of 66 males recruited from hospital staff and the
community, 17 % showed a penile response that was pedophilic
(Fedora et al., 1992).
Freund and Watson (1991), studying community male volunteers
in a plethysmography classification study, found that 19%
were misclassified as having an erotic preference for minors.
Freund and Costell (1970) studied 48 young Czech soldiers who
were shown slides of children between 4 and 10, both male and
female, as well as adolescents and adults, male and female.
Penile responsivity to female children, ages 4-10, was
intermediate to adolescent and adult females and males in one
scoring system. In the other scoring system, all 48 soldiers
showed penile response to adult females, as did 40 of 48 to
adolescent females, and notably, 28 of 48 showed penile
response to the female children age 4-10.
But driving 100 miles? That's
lots of opportunity to think things over, and the more
thinking you do, the more bad things you can see coming
out of it.
That's why I presume that many of said "TV predators"
are twentysomethings,
You presume wrong, as usual.
Most are old, ugly, baldheaded lechers...probably like
you.
Cites?
Watch the show, that is if you own a TV.
Apparently, you think that a gutter TV show is good science.
Only 2-10 % of sex offenders who have sex with children
are pedophiles (I was surprised it was that low, in fact):
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia>
From its own source.
A number of proposed treatment techniques for pedophilia
have been developed. Many regard pedophilia as highly
resistant to psychological interference and have dismissed
as ineffective most "reparative strategies."[38] Others,
such as Dr. Fred Berlin, believe pedophilia can "indeed be
successfully treated," if only the medical community would
give it more attention.[23] The reported success rate of
modern "reparative" treatment on pedophiles is very
low.[38]
As I've stated before the only "cure" for baby raping is a
6X9 cage or a bullet and I much prefer the latter.
Of course, "curing" pedophilia is only a matter of concern if
you think that it's a "illness". If indeed it's part of the
normal human sexual variation, then there's no reason why you
should "cure" it anymore than you should "cure" being
left-handed.
Justifying this conclusion is the fact the percentage of
people who when tested exhibit significant pedophilic arousal
in tests (as cited above) is way too high for the attraction
to be an "illness". I'd explain that, but it would require
math, which like language isn't a strong suit of yours
either. The same holds true for homoseuxality, BTW.
Then again perhaps, looking at the fuzzy-faced 20-year old
males
Who shouldn't be fucking minors or boys for that
matter...bottom line.
If something inevitably will happen just because people will
be people, and just do what comes naturally, that cries out
for a more humane, more tolerant, solution than what's being
implemented today.
Not unless you're a sociopath who just enjoys punishing
people for no good reason and seeing them suffer, of course.
Secret Squirrel
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11 Dec 2006 01:16:20 PM |
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"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole444@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Secret" squirrel wrote:
Yeah, sex can cause people to do stupid things; I'll be
the first to admit it. If someone was online and they met
their supposed eager 12-yo and found out that he was just
down the street; yeah, I can see that someone might fail a
wisdom check and agree to a hookup.
You "can see that" huh?
A 12 year old child.......
Sure. Just like a moment of horniness can get people to try
to "score" with their best friend's spouse; there's been no
lack of examples of that. Doesn't mean that either is a very
smart thing to do.
And it claims it isn't sick.
Mental illness (sociopathy) is your specialty, B&C. Sexual
attraction to prepubescent children among males has been measured
in up to 25 %. That's way too common to be a mental
illness. And we're not even talking about attraction to
sexually mature high school cheerleaders; that would probably
raise the score to 90 %+.
But driving 100 miles? That's
lots of opportunity to think things over, and the more
thinking you do, the more bad things you can see coming
out of it.
That's why I presume that many of said "TV predators" are
twentysomethings,
You presume wrong, as usual.
Most are old, ugly, baldheaded lechers...probably like you.
Cites? Only 2-10 % of sex offenders who have sex with children
are pedophiles (I was surprised it was that low, in fact):
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia>
Those who have committed sexual crimes against children, but
do not meet the normal diagnosis criteria for pedophilia, are
referred to as situational, opportunistic, or regressed
offenders, whereas offenders primarily attracted toward
children are called structured, preferential, or fixated
pedophiles, as their orientation is fixed by the structure of
their personality. It is estimated that only 2 to 10 percent
of child sexual abuse perpetrators meet the regular criteria
for pedophilia. (Kinsey-Report, Lautmann, Brongersma,
Groth).
Couple this with the fact that most AOC laws draw the line
well past the point of sexual maturity, and thus involve
sexually mature teens, means the bulk of those that you and
your pals at perverted-justice rant over aren't pedophiles
at all. They're just normal people who committed a risky and
foolish act, who let their passions get the better of them.
Then again perhaps, looking at the fuzzy-faced 20-year old
males who compose the bulk of my jurisdiction's sex offender
registry, maybe I shouldn't be surprised at the numbers at
all.
Secret Squirrel
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11 Dec 2006 07:41:37 AM |
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bobandcarole wrote:
Most are old, ugly, baldheaded lechers...probably like you.
What I meant to say is "like me".
I wish I had a hobby. I only have one though. Posting ***** in one
browser window while jacking off to gay porn in another browser window.
Except I don't really know what a browser window is because i have
webtv which is evidence of my lack of social class. Not that I need
any more evidence to prove that I am an uneducated fucktard. You can
tell by what I post and how I write. That is to say, I can barely
write in English even though it is my native tongue. Gee, how stupid
am *i*? (Answer: very very stupid.)
I am very very gay.
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11 Dec 2006 08:59:37 AM |
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bobandcarole wrote:
Anonymous pedophile "secret" squirrel wrote:
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positivesexfiend@hotmail.com (Positive Sex Fiend) wrote in
news:20061210100205.568$6w@newsreader.com:
Secret Squirrel <ssquirrel@nottheremailer.net> wrote:
Now, it's just possible that things are as he has said
(though I really have a hard time imagining the
practicality of someone driving 100 miles to have sex with
who he thinks will be a 12 or 13-yo boy. Anyone with any
sense, I should say).
Just watch To Catch A Predator on NBC and you will see it.
Guys who travel hundreds of miles to be with willing kids
(or at least who they THINK are kids). I have also known
adult-oriented people to do the same. My roommate in
college flew from the East Coast to New Mexico to spend a
weekend with a girl he met on the internet (actually, it
was the ARPANET at the time). The sex drive is VERY strong
and when people are forced to suppress that drive they are
often willing to go to extreme lengths to fulfill it. If
you are a pedophile and you can't find any willing children
around you your options are: 1) suppress your desires (how
long is that going to last? For some people not too long),
2) force a child (for MOST pedophiles that is not an option
that they are willing to explore), or 3) travel to long
distances because you have found someone who has similar
desires as you.
Yeah but consider the reality--assuming that this is an online
hookup--how many 12-yos have unrestricted access to a computer?
Yes, maybe a few, but not that many. I myself spend time in
adult gay personal sites and groups,
LOL...I'm not surprised
and yes, you do see teens
below the AOC there who've lied about their age to get in--no
doubt about it. But I've never seen any 12-yo.
If I were in an adult chat room and was pinged by someone who
claimed he was 12, the first thing I'd think was that this
person was a role-playing middle-aged adult. ;-) If he wanted
to persue a hookup, that would set off all sorts of alarms, as
the 2nd thing I'd think was that this was a sting, either run
by the police or run by a vigilante group. (More likely in my
case the latter, as I wouldn't be advertising for hookups
with minors, and I would hope that the police know that just
trolling to see if they can entrap people wouldn't stand up
to legal review). That's why I said "if they had any sense".
Now I admit, that the chances of meeting real 12-yos might
increase if someone lied about their age to get into
children's groups and chat rooms instead of spending time
in adult, sexually oriented rooms and sites...but that would
be even more risky, as one would suppose that children who
were talking about video games or cartoons or skateboarding
or the like wouldn't be alarmed by someone bringing up s-e-x,
and that at least one of them wouldn't report it. Again,
the phrase "if they had any sense" comes to mind.
Yeah, sex can cause people to do stupid things; I'll be the
first to admit it. If someone was online and they met their
supposed eager 12-yo and found out that he was just down the
street; yeah, I can see that someone might fail a wisdom
check and agree to a hookup.
You "can see that" huh?
A 12 year old child.......
And it claims it isn't sick.
But driving 100 miles? That's
lots of opportunity to think things over, and the more
thinking you do, the more bad things you can see coming out
of it.
That's why I presume that many of said "TV predators" are
twentysomethings,
You presume wrong, as usual.
Most are old, ugly, baldheaded lechers...probably like you.
young adults, just like the bulk of my
jurisdiction's sex offenders are twentysomethings.
Twentysomethings are not known for good judgements.
No pedophile has "good judgement"
With hookups among adults, some of these problems disappear
as the encounter itself would not raise legal difficulties,
but even there, it's wise to follow certain precautions.
There used to be a FAQ for the gay personals usenet group
that offered good advice.
Secret Squirrel
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10 Dec 2006 08:31:04 PM |
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Secret Squirrel <ssquirrel@nottheremailer.net> wrote:
positivesexfiend@hotmail.com (Positive Sex Fiend) wrote in
news:20061210100205.568$6w@newsreader.com:
Secret Squirrel <ssquirrel@nottheremailer.net> wrote:
Now, it's just possible that things are as he has said
(though I really have a hard time imagining the
practicality of someone driving 100 miles to have sex with
who he thinks will be a 12 or 13-yo boy. Anyone with any
sense, I should say).
Just watch To Catch A Predator on NBC and you will see it.
Guys who travel hundreds of miles to be with willing kids
(or at least who they THINK are kids). I have also known
adult-oriented people to do the same. My roommate in
college flew from the East Coast to New Mexico to spend a
weekend with a girl he met on the internet (actually, it
was the ARPANET at the time). The sex drive is VERY strong
and when people are forced to suppress that drive they are
often willing to go to extreme lengths to fulfill it. If
you are a pedophile and you can't find any willing children
around you your options are: 1) suppress your desires (how
long is that going to last? For some people not too long),
2) force a child (for MOST pedophiles that is not an option
that they are willing to explore), or 3) travel to long
distances because you have found someone who has similar
desires as you.
Yeah but consider the reality--assuming that this is an online
hookup--how many 12-yos have unrestricted access to a computer?
Yes, maybe a few, but not that many. I myself spend time in
adult gay personal sites and groups, and yes, you do see teens
below the AOC there who've lied about their age to get in--no
doubt about it. But I've never seen any 12-yo.
If I were in an adult chat room and was pinged by someone who
claimed he was 12, the first thing I'd think was that this
person was a role-playing middle-aged adult. ;-) If he wanted
to persue a hookup, that would set off all sorts of alarms, as
the 2nd thing I'd think was that this was a sting, either run
by the police or run by a vigilante group. (More likely in my
case the latter, as I wouldn't be advertising for hookups
with minors, and I would hope that the police know that just
trolling to see if they can entrap people wouldn't stand up
to legal review). That's why I said "if they had any sense".
I agree with you. I would NEVER hook-up with someone on-line who told me
they were 12. Twelve-year-olds know enough to lie about their age; I would
automatically assume that anyone who told me they were 12 (or 13 or 14)
would be a decoy. On the other hand I do know a 15-year-old boy who hangs
out on, and hooks up from, a gay chat and he is open about his age. It is
a local chat and I would doubt that PJ or any of those other groups have
gotten into it. I also know younger girls who have meet adult men from
different groups and chats. Again, they are local ones; the guys aren't
driving hours (though I know that guys from at least an hour away get in
those chats. I also knew a guy who got busted, not because he got caught
in a sting, but because the 14 year old girl's (who he traveled from
Washington state to New York state to see) mother caught the girl and the
adult guy at the mall together and tailed them back to the hotel he was
staying at. VERY STUPID on the guy's part! This was the 5 time he had met
this girl, so there ARE kids out there who are for real.
Now I admit, that the chances of meeting real 12-yos might
increase if someone lied about their age to get into
children's groups and chat rooms instead of spending time
in adult, sexually oriented rooms and sites...but that would
be even more risky, as one would suppose that children who
were talking about video games or cartoons or skateboarding
or the like wouldn't be alarmed by someone bringing up s-e-x,
and that at least one of them wouldn't report it. Again,
the phrase "if they had any sense" comes to mind.
Yes, a lot of these men don't have sense. On the other hand I know kids as
young as 10 who bring up sex, on their own (not necessarily "lets have
sex", but are interested in talking about sex).
Yeah, sex can cause people to do stupid things; I'll be the
first to admit it. If someone was online and they met their
supposed eager 12-yo and found out that he was just down the
street; yeah, I can see that someone might fail a wisdom
check and agree to a hookup. But driving 100 miles? That's
lots of opportunity to think things over, and the more
thinking you do, the more bad things you can see coming out
of it.
The little head doing the thinking for the big head!
That's why I presume that many of said "TV predators" are
twentysomethings, young adults, just like the bulk of my
jurisdiction's sex offenders are twentysomethings.
Twentysomethings are not known for good judgements.
If you watch the TV shows you'll see that there are all kinds of guys, all
ages, all types of jobs.
With hookups among adults, some of these problems disappear
as the encounter itself would not raise legal difficulties,
but even there, it's wise to follow certain precautions.
There used to be a FAQ for the gay personals usenet group
that offered good advice.
Secret Squirrel
--
"Pedophilia is as much a part of him as is love for the same or opposite
sex for the homosexual or heterosexual man or woman, the difference being
that the one is accepted, while the other is categorically forbidden and
virtually impossible to realize. In view of the pedophile's burden, the
necessity of denying himself the experience of love and sexuality, he
deserves respect, rather than contempt." - Gunter Schmidt, The dilemma of
the male pedophile. Archives of Sexual Behavior. New York: Dec 2002.Vol.31,
Iss. 6; pg. 473, 5 pgs
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| Title: Re: Baptists and homosexuals |
11 Dec 2006 12:58:52 PM |
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positivesexfiend@hotmail.com (Positive Sex Fiend) wrote in
news:20061210213504.354$3G@newsreader.com:
Secret Squirrel <ssquirrel@nottheremailer.net> wrote:
positivesexfiend@hotmail.com (Positive Sex Fiend) wrote in
news:20061210100205.568$6w@newsreader.com:
Secret Squirrel <ssquirrel@nottheremailer.net> wrote:
Now, it's just possible that things are as he has said
(though I really have a hard time imagining the
practicality of someone driving 100 miles to have sex
with who he thinks will be a 12 or 13-yo boy. Anyone
with any sense, I should say).
Just watch To Catch A Predator on NBC and you will see
it. Guys who travel hundreds of miles to be with willing
kids (or at least who they THINK are kids). I have also
known adult-oriented people to do the same. My roommate
in college flew from the East Coast to New Mexico to
spend a weekend with a girl he met on the internet
(actually, it was the ARPANET at the time). The sex
drive is VERY strong and when people are forced to
suppress that drive they are often willing to go to
extreme lengths to fulfill it. If you are a pedophile
and you can't find any willing children around you your
options are: 1) suppress your desires (how long is that
going to last? For some people not too long), 2) force a
child (for MOST pedophiles that is not an option that
they are willing to explore), or 3) travel to long
distances because you have found someone who has similar
desires as you.
Yeah but consider the reality--assuming that this is an
online hookup--how many 12-yos have unrestricted access to
a computer? Yes, maybe a few, but not that many. I myself
spend time in adult gay personal sites and groups, and
yes, you do see teens below the AOC there who've lied
about their age to get in--no doubt about it. But I've
never seen any 12-yo.
If I were in an adult chat room and was pinged by someone
who claimed he was 12, the first thing I'd think was that
this person was a role-playing middle-aged adult. ;-) If
he wanted to persue a hookup, that would set off all sorts
of alarms, as the 2nd thing I'd think was that this was a
sting, either run by the police or run by a vigilante
group. (More likely in my case the latter, as I wouldn't
be advertising for hookups with minors, and I would hope
that the police know that just trolling to see if they can
entrap people wouldn't stand up to legal review). That's
why I said "if they had any sense".
I agree with you. I would NEVER hook-up with someone
on-line who told me they were 12. Twelve-year-olds know
enough to lie about their age; I would automatically assume
that anyone who told me they were 12 (or 13 or 14) would be
a decoy. On the other hand I do know a 15-year-old boy who
hangs out on, and hooks up from, a gay chat and he is open
about his age. It is a local chat and I would doubt that
PJ or any of those other groups have gotten into it. I
also know younger girls who have meet adult men from
different groups and chats. Again, they are local ones;
the guys aren't driving hours (though I know that guys from
at least an hour away get in those chats. I also knew a
guy who got busted, not because he got caught in a sting,
but because the 14 year old girl's (who he traveled from
Washington state to New York state to see) mother caught
the girl and the adult guy at the mall together and tailed
them back to the hotel he was staying at. VERY STUPID on
the guy's part! This was the 5 time he had met this girl,
so there ARE kids out there who are for real.
I agree it happens, but it's still very risky both for the
adult and for the kid. The potential consequences can reach
far into the future, they aren't just limited to "getting
busted" in flagrante delicto. Once the deed is done, it can't
be undone, putting both parties at risk for possibly decades
to come. You can still be easily prosecuted in most jurisdictions
for that sort of thing even if it occurred 10
years ago.
I've just come out of a protracted (and unexpected) stay in a
hospital, and let me tell you--and hospitals aren't prisons,
mind you--that you find how much you value your freedom. You
miss the little things that you're able to do "outside". I've
known people who've spent time in prison or in jail, and they
tell me the same thing (one of them: "I'd give anything just
to see the sun again"). I think that most of us would have
the same reaction once we think about it.
Now I admit, that the chances of meeting real 12-yos might
increase if someone lied about their age to get into
children's groups and chat rooms instead of spending time
in adult, sexually oriented rooms and sites...but that
would be even more risky, as one would suppose that
children who were talking about video games or cartoons or
skateboarding or the like wouldn't be alarmed by someone
bringing up s-e-x, and that at least one of them wouldn't
report it. Again, the phrase "if they had any sense" comes
to mind.
Yes, a lot of these men don't have sense. On the other
hand I know kids as young as 10 who bring up sex, on their
own (not necessarily "lets have sex", but are interested in
talking about sex).
Absolutely true. However, you can't a priori judge the
reaction of a kid, or an adult either for that matter, when
you bring up the topic of sex. Would they be interested and
want to talk about it? Or would they be offended and made
uncomfortable?
Most people assume that there's a high chance of the latter,
which is why we're more than a little dicey about discussing
sex even among adults.
Yeah, sex can cause people to do stupid things; I'll be
the first to admit it. If someone was online and they met
their supposed eager 12-yo and found out that he was just
down the street; yeah, I can see that someone might fail a
wisdom check and agree to a hookup. But driving 100 miles?
That's lots of opportunity to think things over, and the
more thinking you do, the more bad things you can see
coming out of it.
The little head doing the thinking for the big head!
Exactly. I can see that in a moment of horniness that people
do foolhardy things, but driving 100 miles takes a lot longer
than a moment. Brain check.
That's why I presume that many of said "TV predators" are
twentysomethings, young adults, just like the bulk of my
jurisdiction's sex offenders are twentysomethings.
Twentysomethings are not known for good judgements.
If you watch the TV shows you'll see that there are all
kinds of guys, all ages, all types of jobs.
Well, I don't watch the TV shows because I value good TV.
Besides, the TV show is nothing more than a false advertisement
for perverted-justice, and only shows them on their good
behavior, not the harrassing and even illegal stuff that they
have been known to do.
Secret Squirrel
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| Title: Re: Baptists and homosexuals |
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