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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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01 Dec 2007 09:19:00 AM |
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Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
Bob, I must admit I was shocked to find these points coming from you
over the past few years. I think they are really good points, worthy
of discussion. My responses follow "my response:".
1.
Who's the head of the main church of "Christian" and where is it
located?
"Who's the head of the main church of Buddhism and where is it
located?
Who's the head of the main church of Taoism and where is it located?
Who's the head of the main church of Hinduism and where is it located?
Who's the head of the main church of paganism and where is it located?
"Most religions have no central authority and many have no churches.
They are nonetheless religions."
my response: Just like Atheism.
2.
"Note that it takes no gods to be religious. Just a devotion to some
specific ultimate reality (Buddhism doesn't necessarily have any
gods)."
my response: Just like Atheism.
3.
Interesting that there doesn't seem to be records of any early
civilisations
that were secular or atheistic.
"Buddhism does not require belief in any Gods."
and
"Buddhism is a religion, but it is an atheistic religion in that it
requires no deity."
my response: You're admitting Atheism can be religious.
4.
"Atheists can be quite moral, and some like Newdow, are quite
religious in their pursuit of atheism. (Atheists can be religious in
a different sense, if one practices a religion without a deity, like
Buddhism or libertarianism.) "
my response: You're admitting Atheism can be religious.
5.
"BSA is NOT a "Christian" organization. It could loosely be called
theist, though it accepts Buddhism as a valid religion for scouting
purposes, and at least one Buddhist on the newsgroups has stated that
Buddhism is atheistic."
my response: Would that be yourself?
6.
My belief in a Creator neither constitutes a religion. Merely a belief.
Better check the definition of religion.
All the definitions of religion I find say it is BOTH belief in AND worship of a superior being.
"Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Zoroasterism, or even animism and
spiritualism. All are religions. None has a superior being."
my response: Just like Atheism.
7. and...my favorite of your quotes...
"Nothing taught in the schools overrides anyone's religious freedom.
You
don't have to believe what science has discovered. You just have to
pass a
test showing you understand what science thinks it has discovered.
You also
probably have to pass a test showing that you know what communism,
socialism,
dictatorship are, but you don't have to believe that any of those are
the
right way to live. You also have to know who the Puritans, the
Quakers, and
various other religious groups in history were, why they were
uimportant
(which sometimes includes knowledge of their beliefs), but you do not
have to
accept those beliefs even though you may be taught about them."
my responses: A> You're admitting the schools are pushing a religious
view (as seen in other of your quotes above) that is contrary to those
hearing the words. B> You admit...point blank...that religion can be
taught in school to students, since they don't have to believe what
they hear...only pass tests on what they are taught.
Thank you for the education, Bob.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
01 Dec 2007 11:42:57 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:aef56a6a-05ed-4f23-b962-8c1ba58da934@e1g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Educate yourself, kenny:
http://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-Religion-Everything/dp/0446579807
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
01 Dec 2007 10:13:13 AM |
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On 1 Dez., 16:19, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bob, I must admit I was shocked to find these points coming from you
over the past few years. I think they are really good points, worthy
of discussion. My responses follow "my response:".
Are you really *that* stupid or are you just playing stupid?
Gee... are all christians who post to alt.atheism complete
morons?!?!?!?!
As for atheism being a religion... *sigh*... is "not collecting
stamps" a hobby?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
01 Dec 2007 11:27:54 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:13:13 -0800, parsifal222 wrote:
On 1 Dez., 16:19, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bob, I must admit I was shocked to find these points coming from you
over the past few years. I think they are really good points, worthy
of discussion. My responses follow "my response:".
Are you really *that* stupid
Yes, he is that stupid.
(This isn't his first time here)
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
03 Dec 2007 12:06:09 PM |
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On 1 dec, 16:19, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bob, I must admit I was shocked to find these points coming from you
over the past few years. I think they are really good points, worthy
of discussion. My responses follow "my response:".
1.
Who's the head of the main church of "Christian" and where is it
located?
"Who's the head of the main church of Buddhism and where is it
located?
Who's the head of the main church of Taoism and where is it located?
Who's the head of the main church of Hinduism and where is it located?
Who's the head of the main church of paganism and where is it located?
"Most religions have no central authority and many have no churches.
They are nonetheless religions."
my response: Just like Atheism.
2.
"Note that it takes no gods to be religious. Just a devotion to some
specific ultimate reality (Buddhism doesn't necessarily have any
gods)."
my response: Just like Atheism.
3.
Interesting that there doesn't seem to be records of any early
civilisations
that were secular or atheistic.
"Buddhism does not require belief in any Gods."
and
"Buddhism is a religion, but it is an atheistic religion in that it
requires no deity."
my response: You're admitting Atheism can be religious.
4.
"Atheists can be quite moral, and some like Newdow, are quite
religious in their pursuit of atheism. (Atheists can be religious in
a different sense, if one practices a religion without a deity, like
Buddhism or libertarianism.) "
my response: You're admitting Atheism can be religious.
5.
"BSA is NOT a "Christian" organization. It could loosely be called
theist, though it accepts Buddhism as a valid religion for scouting
purposes, and at least one Buddhist on the newsgroups has stated that
Buddhism is atheistic."
my response: Would that be yourself?
6.
My belief in a Creator neither constitutes a religion. Merely a belief.
Better check the definition of religion.
All the definitions of religion I find say it is BOTH belief in AND worship of a superior being.
"Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Zoroasterism, or even animism and
spiritualism. All are religions. None has a superior being."
my response: Just like Atheism.
7. and...my favorite of your quotes...
"Nothing taught in the schools overrides anyone's religious freedom.
You
don't have to believe what science has discovered. You just have to
pass a
test showing you understand what science thinks it has discovered.
You also
probably have to pass a test showing that you know what communism,
socialism,
dictatorship are, but you don't have to believe that any of those are
the
right way to live. You also have to know who the Puritans, the
Quakers, and
various other religious groups in history were, why they were
uimportant
(which sometimes includes knowledge of their beliefs), but you do not
have to
accept those beliefs even though you may be taught about them."
my responses: A> You're admitting the schools are pushing a religious
view (as seen in other of your quotes above) that is contrary to those
hearing the words. B> You admit...point blank...that religion can be
taught in school to students, since they don't have to believe what
they hear...only pass tests on what they are taught.
Thank you for the education, Bob.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
You are making two mistakes here:
1. That strong atheism would be a religion.
There are no atheist rites
There are no atheist holy books
(in fact there is no atheist holy anything)
There are no atheist temples or churches.
Strong atheism is a belief (that there are no gods)
but it lacks anything that would make it a religion.
2. That all atheist are strong atheists.
Weak atheist do not even believe that there is no god,
so weak athiesm isn't even a belief.
Making these mistakes on Alt.Atheism where they have been made and
have been disproven a thousand times, is indeed a bit stupid. You have
either not studied Atheism enough, not studied religion enough.
So if you are wondering why people are insulting you, the above is the
reason,
That being said the religiousness of Taoism seems to me also
debatable,
and some would even claim Buddhism is a philosophy rather than a
religion.
Nevertheless both have temples. Atheism hasn't.
Both have "holy" writings, Atheism hasn't.
Peter van Velzen
Strong Athiest
December 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
03 Dec 2007 03:34:49 PM |
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"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
You are making two mistakes here:
1. That strong atheism would be a religion.
There are no atheist rites
There are no atheist holy books
(in fact there is no atheist holy anything)
There are no atheist temples or churches.
Strong atheism is a belief (that there are no gods)
but it lacks anything that would make it a religion.
2. That all atheist are strong atheists.
Weak atheist do not even believe that there is no god,
so weak athiesm isn't even a belief.
Making these mistakes on Alt.Atheism where they have been made and
have been disproven a thousand times, is indeed a bit stupid. You have
either not studied Atheism enough, not studied religion enough.
Actually, in Kennie's case, he simply has been so brainwashed by
Falwell's "university" that no amount of study can overcome his
close-minded ignorance.
So if you are wondering why people are insulting you, the above is the
reason,
That being said the religiousness of Taoism seems to me also
debatable,
and some would even claim Buddhism is a philosophy rather than a
religion.
Nevertheless both have temples. Atheism hasn't.
Both have "holy" writings, Atheism hasn't.
The problem with your reasoning is that, if there is a religion such
as Buddhism or Taoism where it is possible to follow the religion and
not believe in any God, then such a follower would legitimately be
described as an "atheist" - which is defined by what they don't
believe in. But they might still be quite religious as Buddhists or
Taoist. Thus one can be an atheist, and be "religious".
This paradox comes because "atheism" is somewhat orthogonal to the
question of religion. It denies a key belief of many religions, but
it is NOT synonymous with "areligious".
Now YOU and maybe most who would self-identify as "atheists" are
probably likely also be "areligious". Those who are atheist and who
follow a specific religious practice like Buddhism tend to
self-identify by the name of the religion, and not by "atheist". But
since "atheist" only means that they don't believe in a god, it is
still legitimate to call them an atheist.
lojbab
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
03 Dec 2007 03:47:59 PM |
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In article <ujs8l3d64s879rfvrurir3il0fj67eur1n@4ax.com> Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> writes:
"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
You are making two mistakes here:
1. That strong atheism would be a religion.
There are no atheist rites
There are no atheist holy books
(in fact there is no atheist holy anything)
There are no atheist temples or churches.
Strong atheism is a belief (that there are no gods)
but it lacks anything that would make it a religion.
2. That all atheist are strong atheists.
Weak atheist do not even believe that there is no god,
so weak athiesm isn't even a belief.
Making these mistakes on Alt.Atheism where they have been made and
have been disproven a thousand times, is indeed a bit stupid. You have
either not studied Atheism enough, not studied religion enough.
Actually, in Kennie's case, he simply has been so brainwashed by
Falwell's "university" that no amount of study can overcome his
close-minded ignorance.
So if you are wondering why people are insulting you, the above is the
reason,
That being said the religiousness of Taoism seems to me also
debatable,
and some would even claim Buddhism is a philosophy rather than a
religion.
Nevertheless both have temples. Atheism hasn't.
Both have "holy" writings, Atheism hasn't.
The problem with your reasoning is that, if there is a religion such
as Buddhism or Taoism where it is possible to follow the religion and
not believe in any God, then such a follower would legitimately be
described as an "atheist" - which is defined by what they don't
believe in. But they might still be quite religious as Buddhists or
Taoist. Thus one can be an atheist, and be "religious".
This paradox comes because "atheism" is somewhat orthogonal to the
question of religion. It denies a key belief of many religions, but
it is NOT synonymous with "areligious".
Yes. The Archbishop of Canterbury, in that interview you
quoted, expressed exactly what you just said: "To speak as though
'atheism' were a belief system alongside varieties of religious
belief is simply a category mistake."
Quite right.
Now YOU and maybe most who would self-identify as "atheists" are
probably likely also be "areligious". Those who are atheist and who
follow a specific religious practice like Buddhism tend to
self-identify by the name of the religion, and not by "atheist". But
since "atheist" only means that they don't believe in a god, it is
still legitimate to call them an atheist.
And as I pointed out, to Ken's apparent bewilderment, that
one can be atheistic and still have feelings and experiences
which would fit into the general meaning of the word "spiritual".
-- cary
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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01 Dec 2007 11:27:19 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:19:00 -0800, Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
christiansuperhero.com
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!
Oh wait, you're *serious*?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"When your doctrine forces you to claim that God's reactions
are identical to those of a universe without God, you have
nothing left to defend." - Free Lunch
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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01 Dec 2007 05:50:45 PM |
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In article <z46dnX1OVZTqBMzanZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@giganews.com> "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:19:00 -0800, Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
christiansuperhero.com
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!
Oh wait, you're *serious*?
Cower, puny human!
-- cary
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| User: "Feminazi Cuntkins" |
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01 Dec 2007 02:46:20 PM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:27:19 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:19:00 -0800, Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
christiansuperhero.com
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!
Oh wait, you're *serious*?
Guess what his superpowers are!
FNC, well? well?
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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01 Dec 2007 05:48:08 PM |
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In article <70i3l3t4l61j88mquon0ag0fjnri6brm3d@4ax.com> writes:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:27:19 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:19:00 -0800, Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
christiansuperhero.com
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!
Oh wait, you're *serious*?
Guess what his superpowers are!
FNC, well? well?
Mark's here?
Kindly inform him that here on `alt.education', we
do NOT discuss the flatulence of dogs.
-- cary
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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01 Dec 2007 07:03:39 PM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:48:08 +0000, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <70i3l3t4l61j88mquon0ag0fjnri6brm3d@4ax.com>
jaezaebael@gmail.com writes:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:27:19 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:19:00 -0800, Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
christiansuperhero.com
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!
Oh wait, you're *serious*?
Guess what his superpowers are!
FNC, well? well?
Mark's here?
Kindly inform him that here on `alt.education', we do NOT discuss the
flatulence of dogs.
And you call yourselves civilized...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You know what my favorite thing in the world is?
I'll tell you.
Each week, millions and millions of upper middle class American
citizens put on expensive dress clothes, load themselves into
suv's and drive past homeless shelters, orphanages, prisons,
missions and halfway houses on their way to a very expensive
and nice church, where someone tells them to be more like Jesus.
That is fucking awesome, let me tell you."
http://tinyurl.com/2uglqf
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| User: "Feminazi Cuntkins" |
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01 Dec 2007 06:58:05 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 23:48:08 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <70i3l3t4l61j88mquon0ag0fjnri6brm3d@4ax.com> writes:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:27:19 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:19:00 -0800, Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
christiansuperhero.com
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!
Oh wait, you're *serious*?
Guess what his superpowers are!
FNC, well? well?
Mark's here?
Kindly inform him that here on `alt.education', we
do NOT discuss the flatulence of dogs.
What's with the "we", white man?
FNC, misses the dogs, no one to blame
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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01 Dec 2007 07:03:14 PM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:46:20 -0500, Feminazi Cuntkins wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:27:19 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:19:00 -0800, Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
christiansuperhero.com
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!
Oh wait, you're *serious*?
Guess what his superpowers are!
Lessee, super-stupidity?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“There's really no point to voting. If it made any
difference, it would probably be illegal”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Feminazi Cuntkins" |
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01 Dec 2007 07:24:27 PM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:03:14 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:46:20 -0500, Feminazi Cuntkins wrote:
Guess what his superpowers are!
Lessee, super-stupidity?
Well, I guess that's one way of describing leaping to conclusions in a
single bound, or misapprehending writing faster than a speeding
bullet.
FNC, well? well?
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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01 Dec 2007 09:50:46 AM |
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:19:00 -0800 (PST), Wide Eyed in Wonder
<kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Most religions have no central authority and many have no churches.
They are nonetheless religions."
my response: Just like Atheism.
What a fucking moron. Not believing in the deity of somebody else's
religion is no different than not believing in leprechauns. How the
***** can either of these be a religion?
2.
"Note that it takes no gods to be religious. Just a devotion to some
specific ultimate reality (Buddhism doesn't necessarily have any
gods)."
my response: Just like Atheism.
A liar and an idiot.
3.
Interesting that there doesn't seem to be records of any early
civilisations
that were secular or atheistic.
"Buddhism does not require belief in any Gods."
and
"Buddhism is a religion, but it is an atheistic religion in that it
requires no deity."
So what?
my response: You're admitting Atheism can be religious.
No liar. HE is pointing out that some religions can be atheistic.
What a fucking moron.
4.
"Atheists can be quite moral, and some like Newdow, are quite
religious in their pursuit of atheism. (Atheists can be religious in
Learn the difference between reaction and initial action.
Newdow is pursuing a civil rights issue - the imposition of religion
and the treatment of atheists by the religious.
a different sense, if one practices a religion without a deity, like
Buddhism or libertarianism.) "
Condescending nastiness.
Some Christians can be quite moral, in spite of the fact that they are
only following the orders somebody else says their pretend friend
gives them, and they have no idea why some behaviour is good and other
bad.
my response: You're admitting Atheism can be religious.
Liar.
Learn basic logic.
5.
"BSA is NOT a "Christian" organization. It could loosely be called
theist, though it accepts Buddhism as a valid religion for scouting
purposes, and at least one Buddhist on the newsgroups has stated that
Buddhism is atheistic."
my response: Would that be yourself?
Irrelevant.
The BSA discriminates against anybody who has the honesty not to
pledge a duty to a god they don't believe in, including Buddhists.
6.
My belief in a Creator neither constitutes a religion. Merely a belief.
Better check the definition of religion.
All the definitions of religion I find say it is BOTH belief in AND worship of a superior being.
"Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Zoroasterism, or even animism and
spiritualism. All are religions. None has a superior being."
Again you make a basic logic error.
my response: Just like Atheism.
Liar.
Atheism is a non-event - or it would be if the religious majority
didn't use it as an excuse for bigotry, discrimination etc.
Is "not believing in pixies" a religion on your planet, moron?
BECAUSE THAT IS NO DIFFERENT.
It is however an attribute that describes most Christians, most
baseball fans, most people who like Chinese food and a whole slew of
other things. Does this make them all religions, moron?
7. and...my favorite of your quotes...
"Nothing taught in the schools overrides anyone's religious freedom.
You
don't have to believe what science has discovered. You just have to
pass a
test showing you understand what science thinks it has discovered.
You also
probably have to pass a test showing that you know what communism,
socialism,
dictatorship are, but you don't have to believe that any of those are
the
right way to live. You also have to know who the Puritans, the
Quakers, and
various other religious groups in history were, why they were
uimportant
(which sometimes includes knowledge of their beliefs), but you do not
have to
accept those beliefs even though you may be taught about them."
my responses: A> You're admitting the schools are pushing a religious
view (as seen in other of your quotes above) that is contrary to those
Some are, lying moron. When they push Christianity and creationism.
hearing the words. B> You admit...point blank...that religion can be
taught in school to students, since they don't have to believe what
they hear...only pass tests on what they are taught.
Liar.
Thank you for the education, Bob.
Than you for demonstrating the sheer dishonesty of far too many
Christians.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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01 Dec 2007 12:25:37 PM |
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Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
The BSA discriminates against anybody who has the honesty not to
pledge a duty to a god they don't believe in, including Buddhists.
http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-209.html
Than you for demonstrating the sheer dishonesty of far too many
Christians.
Actually, he speaks only for himself, and thus demonstrates the sheer
dishonesty of one self-proclaimed Christian.
lojbab
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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01 Dec 2007 02:25:40 PM |
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On Dec 1, 12:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
The BSA discriminates against anybody who has the honesty not to
pledge a duty to a god they don't believe in, including Buddhists.
http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-209.html
Than you for demonstrating the sheer dishonesty of far too many
Christians.
Actually, he speaks only for himself, and thus demonstrates the sheer
dishonesty of one self-proclaimed Christian.
lojbab
Actually, Bob, he disagreed with you on most points...your quoted
words. Do you wish to retract them?
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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01 Dec 2007 09:28:26 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 12:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
The BSA discriminates against anybody who has the honesty not to
pledge a duty to a god they don't believe in, including Buddhists.
http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-209.html
Than you for demonstrating the sheer dishonesty of far too many
Christians.
Actually, he speaks only for himself, and thus demonstrates the sheer
dishonesty of one self-proclaimed Christian.
Actually, Bob, he disagreed with you on most points...your quoted
words. Do you wish to retract them?
I have no interest in retracting any words regardless of who disagrees
with me.
lojbab
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| User: "Citizen Jimserac" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
01 Dec 2007 12:46:20 PM |
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On Dec 1, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
The BSA discriminates against anybody who has the honesty not to
pledge a duty to a god they don't believe in, including Buddhists.
http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-209.html
Than you for demonstrating the sheer dishonesty of far too many
Christians.
Actually, he speaks only for himself, and thus demonstrates the sheer
dishonesty of one self-proclaimed Christian.
lojbab
Bob, I would not bother too much on replying to
postings from Christopher A. Lee. A quick
review of his postings will indicate why they
are not worthy of consideration.
Citizen Jimserac
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
01 Dec 2007 09:27:25 PM |
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Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
The BSA discriminates against anybody who has the honesty not to
pledge a duty to a god they don't believe in, including Buddhists.
http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-209.html
Than you for demonstrating the sheer dishonesty of far too many
Christians.
Actually, he speaks only for himself, and thus demonstrates the sheer
dishonesty of one self-proclaimed Christian.
lojbab
Bob, I would not bother too much on replying to
postings from Christopher A. Lee. A quick
review of his postings will indicate why they
are not worthy of consideration.
That is true of Kennie as well, who Christopher was replying to.
I seldom respond to anyone whose posts are worthy of consideration,
because seldom does anyone post such a thing. If I wanted that sort
of thing, I would probably take up reading and responding to blogs.
But it is too much work.
lojbab
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
01 Dec 2007 04:19:46 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:46:20 -0800 (PST), Citizen Jimserac
<Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
The BSA discriminates against anybody who has the honesty not to
pledge a duty to a god they don't believe in, including Buddhists.
http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-209.html
Than you for demonstrating the sheer dishonesty of far too many
Christians.
Actually, he speaks only for himself, and thus demonstrates the sheer
dishonesty of one self-proclaimed Christian.
lojbab
Bob, I would not bother too much on replying to
postings from Christopher A. Lee. A quick
review of his postings will indicate why they
are not worthy of consideration.
And I disagree most vehemently.
Mr. Lee hits the nail squarely on the head.
With a larger hammer than you might like, perhaps.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
01 Dec 2007 08:25:25 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:46:20 -0800 (PST), Citizen Jimserac
<Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
The BSA discriminates against anybody who has the honesty not to
pledge a duty to a god they don't believe in, including Buddhists.
http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-209.html
Than you for demonstrating the sheer dishonesty of far too many
Christians.
Actually, he speaks only for himself, and thus demonstrates the sheer
dishonesty of one self-proclaimed Christian.
He is typical of far too many Christians on and off the net.
lojbab
Bob, I would not bother too much on replying to
postings from Christopher A. Lee. A quick
review of his postings will indicate why they
are not worthy of consideration.
Because I don't put up with bigotry, slander/libel, lying, stupidity
and *****?
Citizen Jimserac
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
01 Dec 2007 09:51:56 PM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:25:25 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:46:20 -0800 (PST), Citizen Jimserac
<Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
The BSA discriminates against anybody who has the honesty not to
pledge a duty to a god they don't believe in, including Buddhists.
http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-209.html
Than you for demonstrating the sheer dishonesty of far too many
Christians.
Actually, he speaks only for himself, and thus demonstrates the sheer
dishonesty of one self-proclaimed Christian.
He is typical of far too many Christians on and off the net.
lojbab
Bob, I would not bother too much on replying to
postings from Christopher A. Lee. A quick
review of his postings will indicate why they
are not worthy of consideration.
Because I don't put up with bigotry, slander/libel, lying, stupidity
and *****?
"Citizen Jimserac" reminds me of the folk who said that Rosa Parks
*should* have just shut up, and gone to the back of the bus.
It is depressing that anyone could think like that in this day and
age.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
01 Dec 2007 09:53:55 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:21:56 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:25:25 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:46:20 -0800 (PST), Citizen Jimserac
<Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
The BSA discriminates against anybody who has the honesty not to
pledge a duty to a god they don't believe in, including Buddhists.
http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-209.html
Than you for demonstrating the sheer dishonesty of far too many
Christians.
Actually, he speaks only for himself, and thus demonstrates the sheer
dishonesty of one self-proclaimed Christian.
He is typical of far too many Christians on and off the net.
lojbab
Bob, I would not bother too much on replying to
postings from Christopher A. Lee. A quick
review of his postings will indicate why they
are not worthy of consideration.
Because I don't put up with bigotry, slander/libel, lying, stupidity
and *****?
"Citizen Jimserac" reminds me of the folk who said that Rosa Parks
*should* have just shut up, and gone to the back of the bus.
It is depressing that anyone could think like that in this day and
age.
Good comparison. We are expected to be Uncle Toms, even by many
Christians who think they are reasonable.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
01 Dec 2007 10:42:53 PM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:53:55 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:21:56 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:25:25 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:46:20 -0800 (PST), Citizen Jimserac
<Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
The BSA discriminates against anybody who has the honesty not to
pledge a duty to a god they don't believe in, including Buddhists.
http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-209.html
Than you for demonstrating the sheer dishonesty of far too many
Christians.
Actually, he speaks only for himself, and thus demonstrates the sheer
dishonesty of one self-proclaimed Christian.
He is typical of far too many Christians on and off the net.
lojbab
Bob, I would not bother too much on replying to
postings from Christopher A. Lee. A quick
review of his postings will indicate why they
are not worthy of consideration.
Because I don't put up with bigotry, slander/libel, lying, stupidity
and *****?
"Citizen Jimserac" reminds me of the folk who said that Rosa Parks
*should* have just shut up, and gone to the back of the bus.
It is depressing that anyone could think like that in this day and
age.
Good comparison. We are expected to be Uncle Toms, even by many
Christians who think they are reasonable.
As well as a couple of self-professed atheists, in the previous day or
two, who have berated me for actually attempting to right wrongs, and
attempting to correct outrageous liars.
"Live and let them kill", seems to be the message that I am getting.
It might make a good James Bond title, but in real life, it sucks.
You may have read the thread in question.
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| User: "Jd" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
04 Dec 2007 05:24:41 PM |
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Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:19:00 -0800 (PST), Wide Eyed in Wonder
<kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Most religions have no central authority and many have no churches.
They are nonetheless religions."
my response: Just like Atheism.
What a fucking moron. Not believing in the deity of somebody else's
religion is no different than not believing in leprechauns. How the
***** can either of these be a religion?
hey CHRISTopher.... whom did your parents name you after?
Jd
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
04 Dec 2007 07:14:02 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:24:41 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:19:00 -0800 (PST), Wide Eyed in Wonder
<kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Most religions have no central authority and many have no churches.
They are nonetheless religions."
my response: Just like Atheism.
What a fucking moron. Not believing in the deity of somebody else's
religion is no different than not believing in leprechauns. How the
***** can either of these be a religion?
Too scared to admit this?
hey CHRISTopher.... whom did your parents name you after?
Grandparents, great-grandparents etc. The name has been in the family
for generations, as either Christopher or Christine.
Naming a child for a grandparent honours them. And they got the name
for the same reason. A concept that is too difficult for you to
understand.
My middle name has also been in the family for generations. It is a
very old name once given to Saxon Kings of England. Does that mean I
have to believe in their pre-Christian gods?
Another concept you seem too stupid to understand.
Going through the names in the family, More than half are traditional
English non-Christian, some are Christian, a few from other countries
and one made up by James Barrie.
Did you have a point or were you just being an *****?
Other than the one on your head?
Jd
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| User: "Jd" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
06 Dec 2007 09:57:08 PM |
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Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:24:41 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:19:00 -0800 (PST), Wide Eyed in Wonder
<kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Most religions have no central authority and many have no churches.
They are nonetheless religions."
my response: Just like Atheism.
What a fucking moron. Not believing in the deity of somebody else's
religion is no different than not believing in leprechauns. How the
***** can either of these be a religion?
Too scared to admit this?
hey CHRISTopher.... whom did your parents name you after?
Grandparents, great-grandparents etc. The name has been in the family
for generations, as either Christopher or Christine.
Naming a child for a grandparent honours them. And they got the name
for the same reason. A concept that is too difficult for you to
understand.
My middle name has also been in the family for generations. It is a
very old name once given to Saxon Kings of England. Does that mean I
have to believe in their pre-Christian gods?
Another concept you seem too stupid to understand.
Going through the names in the family, More than half are traditional
English non-Christian, some are Christian, a few from other countries
and one made up by James Barrie.
Did you have a point or were you just being an *****?
Other than the one on your head?
Jd
You can change your name legally. Change it to AntiCHRISTopher.
idjut.
jd
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
01 Dec 2007 01:57:58 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com>
bloodied us up with this:
<Snip>
Atheism is the lack of a church.
Atheism is the lack of a god belief.
Atheism is the lack of god worship.
Atheism is the lack of theism.
Atheists do not pray.
Atheists do not go to church (unless invited by close friends to attend
weddings, bar mitzvahs, or funerals).
Atheists do not believe in your god or any others.
Atheists do not believe the claims of the religious due to lack of evidence
supporting those claims.
Atheists are not satanists.
Atheists are not evil people.
Atheists do not oppose religious practice unless it interferes with our
normal lives, such as the post I snipped, which was a dishonest and
slanderous attempt to define atheism without any knowledge of what an
atheist really is.
Atheism is to religion as baldness is to hair color.
Atheism is a religion as not collecting stamps is a hobby.
Does that help?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: Bob's Good Points about Religion in School |
01 Dec 2007 02:40:37 PM |
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On Dec 1, 1:57 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com>
bloodied us up with this:
<Snip>
Atheism is the lack of a church.
Atheism is the lack of a god belief.
Atheism is the lack of god worship.
Atheism is the lack of theism.
Atheists do not pray.
Atheists do not go to church (unless invited by close friends to attend
weddings, bar mitzvahs, or funerals).
Atheists do not believe in your god or any others.
Atheists do not believe the claims of the religious due to lack of evidence
supporting those claims.
Atheists are not satanists.
Atheists are not evil people.
Atheists do not oppose religious practice unless it interferes with our
normal lives, such as the post I snipped, which was a dishonest and
slanderous attempt to define atheism without any knowledge of what an
atheist really is.
Atheism is to religion as baldness is to hair color.
Atheism is a religion as not collecting stamps is a hobby.
Does that help?
Except that you are arguing with Bob, not me. HE said that atheism
can be religious and religions like Buddhism can be atheists.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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