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"The Fool" |
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29 Dec 2005 11:04:45 AM |
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Born Gay Dealt a Scientific Blow |
The news today is that a group of researchers discovered that brain
cells actually do keep growing and changing throughout adulthood.
While the article doesn't mention homosexuality, specifically, I think
the implictions are huge for the born-gay group.
Many homosexuals say that their brain was programmed since birth to be
gay, and they have been deceived into believing there is nothing they
can do about it. However, this new research confirms the growing
belief in the scientific community that the brain doesn't create
personal choice...it changes in response to it. The growing and
changing brain would become more gay or less gay, depending upon the
choice made by the individual, no matter the age of the individual.
Rather interesting.
Ken Clifton
christianjedi.com
christiancelebrity.com
somebodysaveme.com
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| User: "Dave Thompson" |
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| Title: Re: Born Gay Dealt a Scientific Blow |
29 Dec 2005 11:17:13 AM |
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"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135875885.583627.291150@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The news today is that a group of researchers discovered that brain
cells actually do keep growing and changing throughout adulthood.
While the article doesn't mention homosexuality,
Exactly.
specifically, I think
the implictions are huge for the born-gay group.
You think lots of baseless, stupid things. Add this to the list.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Born Gay Dealt a Scientific Blow |
29 Dec 2005 09:33:36 PM |
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Dave Thompson wrote:
specifically, I think
the implictions are huge for the born-gay group.
You think lots of baseless, stupid things. Add this to the list.
I chose to be 6'7". After all, I wasn't even two feet (crown to
heel) at birth.
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| User: "Dave Thompson" |
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| Title: Re: Born Gay Dealt a Scientific Blow |
30 Dec 2005 12:04:27 AM |
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<man_in_black529@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Dave Thompson wrote:
specifically, I think
the implictions are huge for the born-gay group.
You think lots of baseless, stupid things. Add this to the list.
I chose to be 6'7". After all, I wasn't even two feet (crown to
heel) at birth.
And I chose to like girls with big tits, skinny waists, and big asses.
Not like women werent meant to be that way and I was chosing against nature.
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| User: "Secret Squirrel" |
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| Title: Re: Born Gay Dealt a Scientific Blow |
31 Dec 2005 03:31:18 PM |
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"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1135875885.583627.291150@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
The news today is that a group of researchers discovered
that brain cells actually do keep growing and changing
throughout adulthood. While the article doesn't mention
homosexuality, specifically, I think the implictions are
huge for the born-gay group.
Many homosexuals say that their brain was programmed since
birth to be gay, and they have been deceived into believing
there is nothing they can do about it. However, this new
research confirms the growing belief in the scientific
community that the brain doesn't create personal
choice...it changes in response to it. The growing and
changing brain would become more gay or less gay, depending
upon the choice made by the individual, no matter the age
of the individual.
Then why wouldn't that also hold true for genetic risk
factors for brain diseases like schizophrenia? Alcoholism?
Parkinson's? Why wouldn't "growing and changing brain cells"
alter those?
Yes, brain cells do grow and change. But they, like all
other cells, start out from a genetic pattern. If that
pattern predisposes one towards same-gender relations,
then why would "growing and changing" alter that?
Two last things, in this sea of popular misunderstanding
about homosexuality: 1) the causes of homosexual orientation
are complex, in all likelihood not only involving genetics
but epigenetics, embryonic development, and (perhaps)
individual experience; and 2) cultural surveys indicate that
human sexuality is far more plastic than the current
"str8/bi/gay" paradigm that both "liberals" and "conservatives"
seem fixated on. It's fully possible for people who are mostly
"str8" to have, and to enjoy, homosexual relationships just
as it's fully possible for people who are mostly "gay" or "bi"
to have opposite-sex relationships and to father offspring.
Secret Squirrel
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Born Gay Dealt a Scientific Blow |
04 Jan 2006 12:32:54 PM |
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In article <1135875885.583627.291150@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
The news today is that a group of researchers discovered that brain
cells actually do keep growing and changing throughout adulthood.
While the article doesn't mention homosexuality, specifically, I think
the implictions are huge for the born-gay group.
Did you think that anyone previously thought that the brain does not change,
and change continuously, during ones lifetime? That's what learning
is all about.
Many homosexuals say that their brain was programmed since birth to be
gay, and they have been deceived into believing there is nothing they
can do about it. However, this new research confirms the growing
belief in the scientific community that the brain doesn't create
personal choice...it changes in response to it.
So you could simply choose to be left-handed, a mathematical genius,
gifted with perfect pitch, and able to quote, verbatim, every
book you've ever read?
If so, why don't you? And if not, you might think about the
implications of that for your argument.
The growing and
changing brain would become more gay or less gay, depending upon the
choice made by the individual, no matter the age of the individual.
Rather interesting.
And you could sit down today and consciously choose to be turned on by George
Clooney or Mel Gibson?
-- cary
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Born Gay Dealt a Scientific ***** |
30 Dec 2005 03:22:19 AM |
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On 29 Dec 2005 09:04:45 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
Many homosexuals say that their brain was programmed since birth to be
gay, and they have been deceived into believing there is nothing they
Dude, it's NOT your brain that's involved here. It's your *****....
Any idiot can stroke a *****, it dont take a brain.
Now go get your daily ***** and remember, Jesus Saves everyone
(except gays),
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Born Gay Dealt a Scientific ***** |
30 Dec 2005 09:23:29 PM |
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in article r1v9r11hf6uotljo28mie8fl0lbul9bk2d@4ax.com,
proud2B.homophobic@noneofyourbusiness.com at
proud2B.homophobic@noneofyourbusiness.com wrote on 12/30/05 4:22 AM:
On 29 Dec 2005 09:04:45 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
Many homosexuals say that their brain was programmed since birth to be
gay, and they have been deceived into believing there is nothing they
Dude, it's NOT your brain that's involved here. It's your *****....
Any idiot can stroke a *****, it dont take a brain.
Now go get your daily ***** and remember, Jesus Saves everyone
(except gays),
I'm sure the wife you'll spend eternity abusing will wish SHE wasn't
saved....
Paul
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| User: "The Watch Dog" |
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| Title: Re: Born Gay Dealt a Scientific Blow |
29 Dec 2005 11:33:18 PM |
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The Fool wrote:
The news today is that a group of researchers discovered that brain
cells actually do keep growing and changing throughout adulthood.
While the article doesn't mention homosexuality, specifically, I think
the implictions are huge for the born-gay group.
Many homosexuals say that their brain was programmed since birth to be
gay, and they have been deceived into believing there is nothing they
can do about it. However, this new research confirms the growing
belief in the scientific community that the brain doesn't create
personal choice...it changes in response to it. The growing and
changing brain would become more gay or less gay, depending upon the
choice made by the individual, no matter the age of the individual.
Ken, over the months you have shown us the depths of your understanding
of scientific matters.
For example, you told us that "science tells us" that acquired traits
are inherited. This is completely false. Science tells us that acquired
traits are not inherited.
You also said that evolution and the science of genetics were in
conflict, and contradicted each other - basically because, according to
you, genetics says that mutations don't occur. This is pretty much as
wrong as you can be about science.
Now you just show us another example of your proud, impervious
ignorance. The study you cite says absolutely nothing, pro or con,
about people being able to change their sexual orientation. It simply
says that the brain grows or changes over the years. It doesn't say
anything about what kinds of changes are possible, or whether you can
create specific changes by "personal choice."
Maybe a brilliant painter, by "personal choice," could change her brain
and become a top-notch mathematician. Maybe she couldn't. Maybe a
pampered playboy could, through a series or personal choices, alter his
brain until he was the best archer in the entire world! Or maybe not.
Maybe a homosexual could, by making certain personal choices (although
we have no idea what specific choices would be necessary) modify his
sexual orientation and become a heterosexual. Or, possibly, no.
And maybe, as the brain grows and changes, a mathematician could become
an even better mathematician - but not a great jazz singer - and a
homosexual could become a brilliant economist, but still gay.
In all cases, the important thing to note is: the study you cite makes
absolutely no statement on these issues one way or the other. If you
permitted yourself any understanding of science whatsoever, that would
be obvious to you.
Some other issues of note:
(1) None of the gay people I know "have been deceived into believing
there is nothing they can do about [being gay]." Instead, they came to
that conclusion themselves, based on years of personal experience,
including, in quite a few cases, years of trying to "change based on
personal choices," therapy, and praying.
(Interestingly, the religious among them - and I know many gays who are
devoutly religious - said that praying led them to a deep conviction
that God wanted them to accept themselves just the way they were. Even,
I must now add on their behalf, if Ken doesn't.)
(2) There is ample evidence that people just as dogmatic, arrogant, and
judgemental as yourself (who disapproves of liberals, gays, and anybody
with the wrong religion) can, over time and through a series of
personal choices, change. They become more humble, develop a greater
understanding that man's knowledge of God has and always will change
over time, exhibit compassion, and learn to share in the joys of
others, even others who have different religious ideas than them. (As
long as those others aren't bombing their houses or kicking them in the
shins. Although Jesus, who you claim to follow, said that even in those
cases we should turn the other cheek. You'll have to decide if you've
been doing that.)
Whether this represents a changing and growing of the brain, or of the
heart, or of the soul, I cannot say. I haven't seen a study. But it is
my Christmas wish for you, Ken.
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| User: "Lefty" |
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| Title: Re: Born Gay Dealt a Scientific Blow |
02 Jan 2006 10:46:40 PM |
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The Fool wrote:
The news today is that a group of researchers discovered that brain
cells actually do keep growing and changing throughout adulthood.
While the article doesn't mention homosexuality, specifically, I think
the implictions are huge for the born-gay group.
Many homosexuals say that their brain was programmed since birth to be
gay, and they have been deceived into believing there is nothing they
can do about it. However, this new research confirms the growing
belief in the scientific community that the brain doesn't create
personal choice...it changes in response to it.
How does this research confirm that? All you've stated was discovered
is that the brain keeps growing, not what causes that growth or what
effect it has.
The growing and changing brain would become more gay or less gay, depending upon the
choice made by the individual, no matter the age of the individual.
Perhaps, and perhaps not. Just because the brain keeps changing does
not mean that sexual orientation itself can be changed. The growth may
actually have little or no real impact on the person's behaviour or
feelings.
Rather interesting.
Yes, but your logic is faulty.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Born Gay Dealt a Scientific Blow |
29 Dec 2005 09:45:19 PM |
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in article 1135875885.583627.291150@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, The Fool
at wrote on 12/29/05 12:04 PM:
The news today is that a group of researchers discovered that brain
cells actually do keep growing and changing throughout adulthood.
While the article doesn't mention homosexuality, specifically, I think
the implictions are huge for the born-gay group.
Many homosexuals say that their brain was programmed since birth to be
gay, and they have been deceived into believing there is nothing they
can do about it. However, this new research confirms the growing
belief in the scientific community that the brain doesn't create
personal choice...it changes in response to it. The growing and
changing brain would become more gay or less gay, depending upon the
choice made by the individual, no matter the age of the individual.
Rather interesting.
So...you'll offer up your daughter to hump some guy straight?
Paul
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