PART II
[65] From:
Newsgroups:
soc.history,alt.history,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.atheism,alt.history.colonial
Subject: Re: Prayer in government buildings
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 13:27:27 GMT
LET US REVIEW, SHALL WE?
The original post and my reply that began this:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=i1p61uo27j206lk0oep1dpig6rbk74rclf%404ax.com&output=gplain
---------------------------------------------------------------------
[66] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
soc.history,alt.history,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.atheism,alt.history.colonial
Subject: Re: Prayer in government buildings
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 17:56:59 GMT
On Sun, 09 Dec 2001 13:27:27 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c138bb9.11735903%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
=================================
SECOND THREAD WHICH CONTINUED
THE SAME BASIC DISCUSSION
This will give access to the entire thread
: http://makeashorterlink.com/?F53432893
==================================
[24] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Reply-To:
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:02:17 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=hffl4ukhmmkp6hgnclnspkoeb2j59efe0h%404ax.com&output=gplain
----------------------------------------------------------------------
[25] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:14:47 GMT
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:02:17 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c4b336f.30928624%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[26] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:08:03 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[27] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:17:28 GMT
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:08:03 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c4b4168.34505789%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
---------------------------------------------------------------------
[42] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:04:29 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c4b4168.34505789%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
-------------------------------------------------------------------
[54] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:00:38 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=h5gg5u0skt8c5bn6avhnqa8c5q123848ot%404ax.com&output=gplain
[55] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:25:39 GMT
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:00:38 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c5892cf.1867584%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
--------------------------------------------------------------------
[63] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 14:07:39 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=q5gq5u0mpc89u188jqkvke3fkuaiig9cnt%404ax.com&output=gplain
----------------------------------------------------------------------
[64] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 17:14:03 GMT
On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 14:07:39 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c5d6d03.11694615%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
----------------------------------------------------------------------
[65] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:07:20 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=arfl4us6vba2bdundao829bb9vq1fr4mmf%404ax.com&output=gplain
---------------------------------------------------------------------
[66] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:06:41 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.10.165.216
X-Complaints-To:
X-Trace: news1.east.cox.net 1011532001 68.10.165.216 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002
08:06:41 EST)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:06:41 EST
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=gnfl4u8esf083p7ma13o8k93fv4ird7tnr%404ax.com&output=gplain
----------------------------------------------------------------------
[67] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:59:21 GMT
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:06:41 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c4b283d.28061504%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[127] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:40:20 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5egg5u8metb66pndr86uhn5r9pc7l20ur8%404ax.com&output=gplain
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
[128] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:43:12 GMT
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:40:20 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c59a96b.3483313%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
[150] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:02:36 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8bnl5uggthh2741ggqg9uqq13fdik94hae%404ax.com&output=gplain
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[151] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:07:32 GMT
On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:02:36 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c5af0f6.5687834%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[153] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:02:53 GMT
On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:27:55 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c52dd06.13761759%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
[154] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:02:30 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.10.165.216
X-Complaints-To:
X-Trace: news1.east.cox.net 1012586550 68.10.165.216 (Fri, 01 Feb 2002
13:02:30 EST)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 13:02:30 EST
Organization: Cox Communications
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=s4kl5uk247fp6mp3o7svoic26cqrpm11pa%404ax.com&output=gplain
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
[155] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 01:41:44 GMT
On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:02:30 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c5b2595.19161042%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
[156] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:04:41 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5nfl4u8eg2ikie3mh2a2n0dlnr8ask9aa4%404ax.com&output=gplain
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[177] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:10:01 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4fbl4u8bi2mpucjdbog5t0p84nj5qu6537%404ax.com&output=gplain
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
[178] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:57:29 GMT
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:10:01 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c4ad94a.7847589%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[179] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:14:54 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=cocl4u0h5nbbm2ghpnp6ksb3i1ames4e1i%404ax.com&output=gplain
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[180] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:02:44 GMT
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:14:54 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c4b2fee.30031034%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[181] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:20:08 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=j2cl5us5smrcj518ub9hjkl9g8p9d9bsu0%404ax.com&output=gplain
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[182] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:07:10 GMT
On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:20:08 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c5ab95e.10474237%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[183] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:16:08 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=hmgq5uosdsijhni0ssto6eq15tdgrbmqii%404ax.com&output=gplain
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
[184] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 00:09:48 GMT
On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:16:08 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c5dc4c8.34166949%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[185] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:09:19 GMT
On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:34:01 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c5adb5b.156617%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
[186] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:16:05 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ec8o5usud4a8s68hp1ltivrabngn8brv5r%404ax.com&output=gplain
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
[187] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 19:45:48 GMT
On Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:16:05 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c5c3989.25100853%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[193] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Reply-To:
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:19:18 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=so056u89d2shcgn0mp21jpp3sigjuj8tv9%404ax.com&output=gplain
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
[194] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 01:50:24 GMT
On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:19:18 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c6430e2.26206915%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[195] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 13:54:55 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5ocq5uckqvpkb71sc3g0ambt5itahkl4v1%404ax.com&output=gplain
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[196] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 00:56:01 GMT
On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 13:54:55 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c5dd1c4.37491721%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[1970 From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:06:59 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=bv856u8t5oe6e3g51kge8hbh86uhsb491j%404ax.com&output=gplain
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[198] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 03:01:12 GMT
On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:06:59 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c6480f5.46708257%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[199] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:16:00 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=hrcl4u4bt5svftd61qktlf4crh9pr687m4%404ax.com&output=gplain
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[200] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:17:03 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=qtcl4us1ltlticl1tle2ng87ododpk2hlv%404ax.com&output=gplain
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[201] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:18:31 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=k0dl4ucn8r8r8929sip3mh0s3vct89vn8s%404ax.com&output=gplain
----------------------------------------------------------------------
[202] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:20:32 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=j3dl4us6obtsc54iqnbkqp4b4h3me5tst4%404ax.com&output=gplain
----------------------------------------------------------------------
[203] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:24:19 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=gadl4u4fktloimhtpujss6uiolehkf1un7%404ax.com&output=gplain
----------------------------------------------------------------------
[204] From: (Info Junkie)
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:14:40 GMT
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:24:19 GMT, wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c4b30a9.30218385%40news.ifx.net&output=gplain
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[205] From:
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:34:01 GMT
(Info Junkie) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b4cl5uonhirua8phosgkdprf258nf9u6mh%404ax.com&output=gplain
[206] From: ()
Subject: Re: Religion in Public Schools-previously Re: Open letter to
George Bush
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian, alt.religion, alt.politics.bush,
alt.politics.usa.constitution, alt.politics
Date: 2002-01-20 04:20:58 PST
(Info Junkie) wrote:
MY POSITION:
This is my position as shown when this article was first put together
Short version:
Land Ordinance of 1785 and Northwest Ordinance of 1787- General
The precedence for the federal government being involved in public
education is found in documents that pre-existed the Constitution. One is
the Land Ordinance of 1785 , along with the Northwest Ordinance of 1787.
**************************************************************
Long Version
As of May 27, 2001
Short General History of The Federal Government and Education
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/educ.htm
[EXCERPT]
Land Ordinance of 1785 and Northwest Ordinance of 1787- General
The precedence for the federal government being involved in public
education is found in documents that pre-existed the Constitution. One is
the Land Ordinance of 1785 , along with the Northwest Ordinance of 1787.
The Land Ordinance required a system of public education to be established
in each township formed under a specified formula. The Northwest Ordinance,
adopted in 1787 and adopted again in 1789 under the Federal Constitution,
continued the formula for forming townships, and requiring the support of
common schools. It also established the formula for the government of said
territories formed under its directions and the manner that these
territories would enter the union as states. Those formulas remained in
effect long enough to see approximately 32 states admitted to statehood
under its directions and blueprint. While a territory, each of these future
states was under the control of Congress. One regulation was that the 16th
lot of each township was to be used to generate monies (via selling,
renting, being taxed, etc) to support and maintain a common school system.
In addition, other land was to be donated by the government to raise money
to aid in supporting this school system, and local taxes were to be raised
as another way to support this school system. No one claimed at the time
this was unconstitutional or before the constitution, illegal or incorrect.
Note: In 1785, it was suggested by some in the Continental Congress
that lot #29 of each township be similarly used&-mdash;but to support
religion instead of public schools. That suggestion was voted down
overwhelmingly. James Madison wrote James Monroe commenting on how out of
order such a proposal had been.
From the Land Ordinance of 1785
There shall be reserved for the United States out of every township,
the four lots, being numbered 8, 11, 28, 29, and out of every fractional
part of a township, so many lots of the same numbers as shall be found
thereon, for future sale. [Emphasis added] THERE SHALL BE RESERVED THE LOT
N 16, OF EVERY TOWNSHIP, FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WITHIN SAID
TOWNSHIP; also one third part of all gold, silver, lead and copper mines,
to be sold, or otherwise disposed of as Congress shall hereafter direct.
When any township, or fractional part of a township, shall have been
sold as aforesaid, and the money or certificates received therefor, the
loan officer shall deliver a deed in the following terms:
The United States of America, to all to whom these presents shall come,
greeting:
Know ye, That for the consideration of _____ dollars, we have granted,
and hereby do grant and confirm unto the township, (or fractional part of a
township, as the case may be) numbered ____ in the range ____ excepting
therefrom, and reserving one third part of all gold, silver, lead and
copper mines within the same; and the lots Ns 8, 11, 28, and 29, for future
sale or disposition, [Emphasis added] AND THE LOT N 16, FOR THE MAINTENANCE
OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
***************************************************************
The above is further supported by the following:
One entire chapter of the new 6th edition is available on line at
CHAPTER THREE. THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
http://64.78.63.75/samples/05EDU0404AlexanderAmerPublicSchoolLaw6ch3.pdf
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N16433179
American Public School Law, Sixth Edition, Kern Alexander, University of
Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, M. David Alexander, Virginia Tech University
and
PUBLIC EDUCATION IN AMERICA
From: ()
Subject: Re: Public education via the *Ordinances* (was Re: DUBYA DOES IT
AGAIN)
Newsgroups: alt.education, alt.politics.bush, alt.politics.democrats.d,
alt.politics.liberalism, alt.politics.usa.constitution,
alt.politics.usa.republican, misc.education
Date: 2004-10-14 06:52:36 PST
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl4089423541d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=e41tm01goas6bus7s3nauvhiu3q94tv92u%404ax.com
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V25E14889
[the above material is from, well if all of the cites were followed
possibly as many as 100 scholars, sources, etc]
************************************************************
Now, let's see what I can find on Google with regards to references to
education, Northwest Ordinance that I have said
here are some:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Northwest+Ordinance,+schools&hl=en&lr=&sa=G
now can you find anything among these that claim that I ever claimed or
stated or advanced this:
:|Since jalison's position is that it's constitutionaly legal to use federal
:|taxpayer monies to fund public education in all states based on the Northwest
:|Ordinance laws to be applied to States after they've aopted their own
:|Constitution and have been admitted into the union,
LOL
Lets try this, this should contain my oldest comment on the topic
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=jalison%40infi.net,+northwest+ordinance&hl=en&lr=&filter=0
You will find most of my comments about the N.O. pertained to religion and
not schools as such.
NOW KINDLY PROVIDE ANY QUOTES WHERE I HAVE SAID
:| . . . it's constitutionaly legal to use federal
:|taxpayer monies to fund public education in all states based on the Northwest
:|Ordinance laws to be applied to States after they've aopted their own
:|Constitution and have been admitted into the union,
You won't find any such quotes because they don't exist.
Thus you are showing you need to lie, play games, etc to make your points.
.
|
