Douglas Berry wrote:

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 02:36:09 GMT there was an Ancient Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism

Matthew 28:5-6 And the angel answered and said unto the women, "Fear not ye: for I know that ye
seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here: for he is risen, as he said".

There is no hard evidence that has happened. None at all.

Anyway, science has reached a point where we can bring people back
from what was once considered dead. Happened to me, as a matter of
fact. Heart stopped during an operation for close to 90 seconds. No
pulse, no respiration, the traditional indications of death. Without
prompt intervention, I would have died.

That's nothing. There's another guy here who survived cancer. And there's another guy here who
was forgiven of all of his sins and who has talked with God. Me.

Ah, but I can prove that I had cancer and survived it due to medical
science. Can you prove that you talk with God or that you have been
forgiven? If you can't demonstrate an experiment that will prove both
these claims you are either mentally ill or a liar.

Which is it?

You did not survive cancer "due to medical science". You survived cancer by the grace of God (or as
in a small number of cases a miracle of the devil).

You do understand that the deception of the last days includes many signs, wonders and even miracles
don't you?

You do understand that the deception of the last days includes many signs, wonders and even miracles
don't you?

Jd

"I'm having difficulty seeing your reasoning in
your claim that the bombardier beetle causes
some problems for the theory of evolution.

That bug was a mere beetle. And more than likely it was a beetle known as the "Bombardier" beetle.
Yes, a bug released it's WMDs upon the father of evolutionary theory as if in a great act of
defiance against the theory of evolution itself.

"During Charles Darwin's education at the University of Cambridge he became involved in a national
craze for the competitive collecting of beetles. On one occasion in 1828 he stripped bark from a
dead tree and caught a rare beetle in each hand, then saw another new species. With the habits of an
egg-collector, he popped the beetle from his right hand into his mouth and grabbed the other with
his free hand. The beetle which he had placed in his mouth, likely a bombardier beetle, "ejected
some intensely acrid fluid, which burnt his tongue," forcing him to spit it out; he lost the beetle,
as well as the third one."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_beetle

See if in this brief description you see a "miracle" of evolution at work.....

"Bombardier beetles are remarkable creatures, truly deserving the attention they have received. They
earned their common name from their ability to defend themselves against predators by firing a
mixture of boiling-hot toxic chemicals from special glands in their posterior."

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html

Darwin a "predator"? Hmmmm.

Here's a more technical description of what you may by now see as a "miracle" (or at least a mockery
of the ToE itself)....

"The Bombardier's defense consists of a complicated well designed system for storing, combining, and
firing its chemical mixture. (Some shaving cream dispensers use a similar method of producing hot
lather.) Two glands near the end of the Bombardier's abdomen store separated amounts of hydrogen
peroxide (an antiseptic) and hydroquinone (used for hydrogen peroxide (an antiseptic) and
hydroquinone (used for photographic developer). A sphincter muscle squeezes the fluid from the
glands into a type of firing chamber where other chemicals are mixed, at just the right instant,
causing pressure to build up. The result is bad news for anything messing with the Bombardier."

"The Bombardier can aim this hot (100 degree) substance with excellent accuracy and can repeat fire
dozens of times. Each shot sounds like a small pop-gun and also produces a puff of smoke with a vile
smell. Other nearby beetles will join in the firing."

http://www.insectman.us/articles/beetle.htm

All I can say is I'll bet Darwin felt lucky to have escaped before 2 or 3 of these WMD carrying
beetles surrounded him. OTOH perhaps that event enforced his thinking wrt "survival of the fittest".

Jd

Nehemiah 4:17 "They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded,
every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon."