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From: "Robert Nordlander" <nord@famvid.com>
To: <gartland1@hotmail.com>
Subject: Back by unpopular demand
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:01:00 -0600
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Eisemann
Back by unpopular demand
Come next month, Bush's Inauguration Day approval ratings may be the
worst of any president in modern-day history.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Eric Boehlert
Dec. 21, 2004 | Republicans like to brag about the sweeping mandate
that President Bush received on Election Day. But as he prepares for his
second term, Bush approaches Inauguration Day with historically weak
job-approval ratings, according to a series of new opinion polls. Unless
there's a dramatic turnaround in public sentiment between now and Jan.
20, Bush will be sworn in to office with the lowest job-approval rating
-- barely 50 percent -- of any president in the last 80 years, or since
modern-day presidential polling began.
"It's striking how weak he is right now," says presidential historian
Richard Shenkman, editor of George Mason University's History News
Network. "You'd have to go back to Woodrow Wilson to find a president
who was reelected in a position as weak as this one. There's been no
euphoria around Bush's win."
Since his 3-percentage-point win over Sen. John Kerry, Bush has
experienced a complete lack of bounce in the polls. In fact, in at least
one national survey, Fox News' Opinion Dynamics poll, conducted Dec.
14-15, Bush's approval rating has fallen five points in the last month,
to 48 percent. In other polls, including Washington Post-ABC, NBC/Wall
Street Journal, Pew Research Center, Associated Press-Ipsos, Zogby, and
Gallup, Bush's already soft approval numbers have flat-lined since the
election. That phenomenon stands in sharp contrast to U.S. history, when
presidents voted into office for a second term, even after close
elections, routinely have received robust approval ratings.
According to an analysis posted on the Gallup Web site in mid-November,
Bush's current 53 percent approval rating "is actually the lowest of any
of the last seven presidents who won a second term in the first poll
conducted after their re-election." Right after securing their second
terms, Bill Clinton received a 58 percent approval rating, Ronald Reagan
61 percent, Richard Nixon 62 percent, Lyndon Johnson 70 percent, Dwight
Eisenhower 75 percent, and Harry Truman 69 percent.
Not only is Bush's 50 percent approval rating dismal for a two-term
president, it's arguably the worst for any president about to be sworn
into office. The only other modern-day president with such shaky
approval ratings immediately following an election win was Reagan.
According to a January 1981 Gallup poll, his job approval rating stood
at just 51 percent. (Since Gallup began polling in 1937, Bush and Reagan
are the only two presidents to take office with job approval ratings
that low.) The difference between Reagan and Bush, though, was that
Reagan's disapproval rating at the time was just 13 percent. Today,
Bush's negative rating hovers in the 40s. "His high disapproval numbers
are astonishing," says Shenkman.
To date, the press, busy detailing the mandate that conservative
Republicans feel they won in November, has taken little notice of Bush's
poor showing. On Friday, the Wall Street Journal noted that its "survey
shows Mr. Bush in a middling position a month after besting John Kerry."
(Rather than "middling," the Journal could have just as accurately opted
for "unprecedented.") And this week, as it salutes Bush as its Person of
the Year, Time magazine makes only passing reference to the president's
unmatched showing in the polls.
As for what's weighing down Bush's poll numbers, it seems clear that the
ongoing chaos in Iraq is a major culprit. Since Election Day alone,
nearly 200 American servicemen and -women have been killed in Iraq, as
violence continues to spread throughout the country, 19 months after
U.S. forces first invaded. According to the latest Gallup poll, 33
percent of Americans think things are going "very badly" in Iraq, a new
high-water mark for that response. Meanwhile, the embarrassment over
Bernard Kerik's aborted nomination as secretary of homeland security, as
well as the controversy over post-9/11 intelligence reform that some
renegade Republicans tried to block, likely added to Bush's
post-election woes.
It might seem natural for a president who just won a bitter and
exceedingly close election to suffer from soft poll numbers, considering
so many people voted against him. But Americans, up until now, have
traditionally rallied around the Election Day winner, no matter how
close the vote. For instance, in 1948, after Truman unexpectedly won
reelection by edging out Republican Thomas Dewey, his weak job-approval
ratings suddenly shot up to 69 percent. (Like Bush, Truman won
reelection despite having a Gallup job approval rating below 50 percent
just prior to the election.)
Following the 1960 election, President John Kennedy, winning an even
closer race over Nixon, enjoyed an even larger post-election bump in the
polls. After just one month in office, Kennedy saw his job-approval
rating jump to 72 percent.
That kind of embrace by voters was not limited to the simpler age of
American politics that predated a 24-hour news cycle. Even in the wake
of the bitterly divisive 2000 election, when the Supreme Court had to
step in and declare Bush the winner, the president, just weeks into his
first term, enjoyed a relative wellspring of goodwill. According to a
CNN/Time/Gallup poll in February 2001, Bush's approval rating stood at
57 percent, compared to just 25 percent who disapproved.
It's also telling to examine the approval gap in recent presidents.
According to an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, 60 percent approved of
Clinton's performance at the time of his 1997 inauguration, compared to
38 percent who disapproved. Fast-forward to 2004 and Bush's approval
gap, according to NBC/Wall Street Journal, stands at a microscopic five
points; just 49 percent approve, while 44 percent disapprove of his
performance in office.
That's why, come Inauguration Day, George W. Bush will likely make
history as the least popular president to ever take the oath of office.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
About the writer
Eric Boehlert is a senior writer at Salon.
-----Original Message-----
From: mowhunn [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:21 AM
To:
Subject: [smartgroup2] Re: Wrapping Iraqis in Israeli Flag: 1300 Dead
and Counting
The statistics lie, Americans cant be that fickle as to elect a guy
who endorses Iraq war like anything and then say he was wrong all
along, could they ?
M
--- In , "Robert Nordlander" <nord@f...>
wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nimby Noyb" <philengr@p...>
Poll shows most Americans now think war was a mistake
By Alec Russell in Washington
(Filed: 22/12/2004)
President George W Bush's post-election honeymoon came to an
abrupt end
yesterday as it emerged that, for the first time since last year's
invasion, a clear majority of Americans believe the war in Iraq is
a
mistake.
Before the news broke of the devastating attack on a US military
base in
Mosul, a Washington Post/ABC News opinion poll found that 56 per
cent of
Americans thought that, given the cost in American lives, the war
was "not
worth fighting."
A slender majority think the invasion of Iraq has contributed to
the future
security of America, but 70 per cent believe that the 1,300 dead US
soldiers are an "unacceptable price".
The growing disillusionment is not leading to pressure to pull out
the
150,000 US troops in Iraq. Nearly 60 percent of Americans support
keeping
them there until "civil order is restored."
But the findings puncture the mood of invulnerability and
triumphalism in
Republican circles since Mr Bush's election victory last month.
Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, also received a sober
reminder of
how his stock has slumped. The Washington Post poll found that
barely a
third of Americans approved of his job performance. Even among
Republicans,
only six out of ten polled want him to stay in his post.
In an article in USA Today Mr Rumsfeld sought to defend himself by
suggested the army he inherited in 2000 was still steeped in the
ways of
the Cold War and that the problem was not a lack of troops but of
the right
sort of troops: military policemen and civil affairs specialists.
Meanwhile, it has emerged that FBI agents have accused the
military of
placing lit cigarettes in Iraqi detainees' ears and humiliating
Arabs by
wrapping them in the Israeli flag.
.
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28 Dec 2004 12:27:23 PM |
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wrote:
< snip >
There's been no
euphoria around Bush's win."
WHAT?!?!
< snip >
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Tim FaROW" |
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23 Dec 2004 09:58:02 AM |
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His mandate is fading like the chances for Democracy in Iraq.
<buckeye-ELO@nospam.net> wrote in message
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In our email
From: "Robert Nordlander" <nord@famvid.com>
To: <gartland1@hotmail.com>
Subject: Back by unpopular demand
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:01:00 -0600
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Eisemann
Back by unpopular demand
Come next month, Bush's Inauguration Day approval ratings may be the
worst of any president in modern-day history.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Eric Boehlert
Dec. 21, 2004 | Republicans like to brag about the sweeping mandate
that President Bush received on Election Day. But as he prepares for his
second term, Bush approaches Inauguration Day with historically weak
job-approval ratings, according to a series of new opinion polls. Unless
there's a dramatic turnaround in public sentiment between now and Jan.
20, Bush will be sworn in to office with the lowest job-approval rating
-- barely 50 percent -- of any president in the last 80 years, or since
modern-day presidential polling began.
"It's striking how weak he is right now," says presidential historian
Richard Shenkman, editor of George Mason University's History News
Network. "You'd have to go back to Woodrow Wilson to find a president
who was reelected in a position as weak as this one. There's been no
euphoria around Bush's win."
Since his 3-percentage-point win over Sen. John Kerry, Bush has
experienced a complete lack of bounce in the polls. In fact, in at least
one national survey, Fox News' Opinion Dynamics poll, conducted Dec.
14-15, Bush's approval rating has fallen five points in the last month,
to 48 percent. In other polls, including Washington Post-ABC, NBC/Wall
Street Journal, Pew Research Center, Associated Press-Ipsos, Zogby, and
Gallup, Bush's already soft approval numbers have flat-lined since the
election. That phenomenon stands in sharp contrast to U.S. history, when
presidents voted into office for a second term, even after close
elections, routinely have received robust approval ratings.
According to an analysis posted on the Gallup Web site in mid-November,
Bush's current 53 percent approval rating "is actually the lowest of any
of the last seven presidents who won a second term in the first poll
conducted after their re-election." Right after securing their second
terms, Bill Clinton received a 58 percent approval rating, Ronald Reagan
61 percent, Richard Nixon 62 percent, Lyndon Johnson 70 percent, Dwight
Eisenhower 75 percent, and Harry Truman 69 percent.
Not only is Bush's 50 percent approval rating dismal for a two-term
president, it's arguably the worst for any president about to be sworn
into office. The only other modern-day president with such shaky
approval ratings immediately following an election win was Reagan.
According to a January 1981 Gallup poll, his job approval rating stood
at just 51 percent. (Since Gallup began polling in 1937, Bush and Reagan
are the only two presidents to take office with job approval ratings
that low.) The difference between Reagan and Bush, though, was that
Reagan's disapproval rating at the time was just 13 percent. Today,
Bush's negative rating hovers in the 40s. "His high disapproval numbers
are astonishing," says Shenkman.
To date, the press, busy detailing the mandate that conservative
Republicans feel they won in November, has taken little notice of Bush's
poor showing. On Friday, the Wall Street Journal noted that its "survey
shows Mr. Bush in a middling position a month after besting John Kerry."
(Rather than "middling," the Journal could have just as accurately opted
for "unprecedented.") And this week, as it salutes Bush as its Person of
the Year, Time magazine makes only passing reference to the president's
unmatched showing in the polls.
As for what's weighing down Bush's poll numbers, it seems clear that the
ongoing chaos in Iraq is a major culprit. Since Election Day alone,
nearly 200 American servicemen and -women have been killed in Iraq, as
violence continues to spread throughout the country, 19 months after
U.S. forces first invaded. According to the latest Gallup poll, 33
percent of Americans think things are going "very badly" in Iraq, a new
high-water mark for that response. Meanwhile, the embarrassment over
Bernard Kerik's aborted nomination as secretary of homeland security, as
well as the controversy over post-9/11 intelligence reform that some
renegade Republicans tried to block, likely added to Bush's
post-election woes.
It might seem natural for a president who just won a bitter and
exceedingly close election to suffer from soft poll numbers, considering
so many people voted against him. But Americans, up until now, have
traditionally rallied around the Election Day winner, no matter how
close the vote. For instance, in 1948, after Truman unexpectedly won
reelection by edging out Republican Thomas Dewey, his weak job-approval
ratings suddenly shot up to 69 percent. (Like Bush, Truman won
reelection despite having a Gallup job approval rating below 50 percent
just prior to the election.)
Following the 1960 election, President John Kennedy, winning an even
closer race over Nixon, enjoyed an even larger post-election bump in the
polls. After just one month in office, Kennedy saw his job-approval
rating jump to 72 percent.
That kind of embrace by voters was not limited to the simpler age of
American politics that predated a 24-hour news cycle. Even in the wake
of the bitterly divisive 2000 election, when the Supreme Court had to
step in and declare Bush the winner, the president, just weeks into his
first term, enjoyed a relative wellspring of goodwill. According to a
CNN/Time/Gallup poll in February 2001, Bush's approval rating stood at
57 percent, compared to just 25 percent who disapproved.
It's also telling to examine the approval gap in recent presidents.
According to an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, 60 percent approved of
Clinton's performance at the time of his 1997 inauguration, compared to
38 percent who disapproved. Fast-forward to 2004 and Bush's approval
gap, according to NBC/Wall Street Journal, stands at a microscopic five
points; just 49 percent approve, while 44 percent disapprove of his
performance in office.
That's why, come Inauguration Day, George W. Bush will likely make
history as the least popular president to ever take the oath of office.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
About the writer
Eric Boehlert is a senior writer at Salon.
-----Original Message-----
From: mowhunn [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:21 AM
To:
Subject: [smartgroup2] Re: Wrapping Iraqis in Israeli Flag: 1300 Dead
and Counting
The statistics lie, Americans cant be that fickle as to elect a guy
who endorses Iraq war like anything and then say he was wrong all
along, could they ?
M
--- In , "Robert Nordlander" <nord@f...>
wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nimby Noyb" <philengr@p...>
Poll shows most Americans now think war was a mistake
By Alec Russell in Washington
(Filed: 22/12/2004)
President George W Bush's post-election honeymoon came to an
abrupt end
yesterday as it emerged that, for the first time since last year's
invasion, a clear majority of Americans believe the war in Iraq is
a
mistake.
Before the news broke of the devastating attack on a US military
base in
Mosul, a Washington Post/ABC News opinion poll found that 56 per
cent of
Americans thought that, given the cost in American lives, the war
was "not
worth fighting."
A slender majority think the invasion of Iraq has contributed to
the future
security of America, but 70 per cent believe that the 1,300 dead US
soldiers are an "unacceptable price".
The growing disillusionment is not leading to pressure to pull out
the
150,000 US troops in Iraq. Nearly 60 percent of Americans support
keeping
them there until "civil order is restored."
But the findings puncture the mood of invulnerability and
triumphalism in
Republican circles since Mr Bush's election victory last month.
Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, also received a sober
reminder of
how his stock has slumped. The Washington Post poll found that
barely a
third of Americans approved of his job performance. Even among
Republicans,
only six out of ten polled want him to stay in his post.
In an article in USA Today Mr Rumsfeld sought to defend himself by
suggested the army he inherited in 2000 was still steeped in the
ways of
the Cold War and that the problem was not a lack of troops but of
the right
sort of troops: military policemen and civil affairs specialists.
Meanwhile, it has emerged that FBI agents have accused the
military of
placing lit cigarettes in Iraqi detainees' ears and humiliating
Arabs by
wrapping them in the Israeli flag.
.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Back by unpopular demand |
23 Dec 2004 10:35:46 AM |
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In article <eWByd.1616$5R.1509@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> "Tim FaROW" <tfro@ccc.com> writes:
His mandate is fading like the chances for Democracy in Iraq.
I'm not sure that Bush received any kind of mandate. Sometimes I think
that the thinness of the Kerry alternative -- he couldn't seem to project
much more than "I'm not George Bush" -- is why more people went for Bush.
Which would mean that voters chose to settle for the guy who wasn't the guy
who wasn't Bush.
-- cary
<buckeye-ELO@nospam.net> wrote in message
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In our email
From: "Robert Nordlander" <nord@famvid.com>
To: <gartland1@hotmail.com>
Subject: Back by unpopular demand
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:01:00 -0600
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Eisemann
Back by unpopular demand
Come next month, Bush's Inauguration Day approval ratings may be the
worst of any president in modern-day history.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Eric Boehlert
Dec. 21, 2004 | Republicans like to brag about the sweeping mandate
that President Bush received on Election Day. But as he prepares for his
second term, Bush approaches Inauguration Day with historically weak
job-approval ratings, according to a series of new opinion polls. Unless
there's a dramatic turnaround in public sentiment between now and Jan.
20, Bush will be sworn in to office with the lowest job-approval rating
-- barely 50 percent -- of any president in the last 80 years, or since
modern-day presidential polling began.
"It's striking how weak he is right now," says presidential historian
Richard Shenkman, editor of George Mason University's History News
Network. "You'd have to go back to Woodrow Wilson to find a president
who was reelected in a position as weak as this one. There's been no
euphoria around Bush's win."
Since his 3-percentage-point win over Sen. John Kerry, Bush has
experienced a complete lack of bounce in the polls. In fact, in at least
one national survey, Fox News' Opinion Dynamics poll, conducted Dec.
14-15, Bush's approval rating has fallen five points in the last month,
to 48 percent. In other polls, including Washington Post-ABC, NBC/Wall
Street Journal, Pew Research Center, Associated Press-Ipsos, Zogby, and
Gallup, Bush's already soft approval numbers have flat-lined since the
election. That phenomenon stands in sharp contrast to U.S. history, when
presidents voted into office for a second term, even after close
elections, routinely have received robust approval ratings.
According to an analysis posted on the Gallup Web site in mid-November,
Bush's current 53 percent approval rating "is actually the lowest of any
of the last seven presidents who won a second term in the first poll
conducted after their re-election." Right after securing their second
terms, Bill Clinton received a 58 percent approval rating, Ronald Reagan
61 percent, Richard Nixon 62 percent, Lyndon Johnson 70 percent, Dwight
Eisenhower 75 percent, and Harry Truman 69 percent.
Not only is Bush's 50 percent approval rating dismal for a two-term
president, it's arguably the worst for any president about to be sworn
into office. The only other modern-day president with such shaky
approval ratings immediately following an election win was Reagan.
According to a January 1981 Gallup poll, his job approval rating stood
at just 51 percent. (Since Gallup began polling in 1937, Bush and Reagan
are the only two presidents to take office with job approval ratings
that low.) The difference between Reagan and Bush, though, was that
Reagan's disapproval rating at the time was just 13 percent. Today,
Bush's negative rating hovers in the 40s. "His high disapproval numbers
are astonishing," says Shenkman.
To date, the press, busy detailing the mandate that conservative
Republicans feel they won in November, has taken little notice of Bush's
poor showing. On Friday, the Wall Street Journal noted that its "survey
shows Mr. Bush in a middling position a month after besting John Kerry."
(Rather than "middling," the Journal could have just as accurately opted
for "unprecedented.") And this week, as it salutes Bush as its Person of
the Year, Time magazine makes only passing reference to the president's
unmatched showing in the polls.
As for what's weighing down Bush's poll numbers, it seems clear that the
ongoing chaos in Iraq is a major culprit. Since Election Day alone,
nearly 200 American servicemen and -women have been killed in Iraq, as
violence continues to spread throughout the country, 19 months after
U.S. forces first invaded. According to the latest Gallup poll, 33
percent of Americans think things are going "very badly" in Iraq, a new
high-water mark for that response. Meanwhile, the embarrassment over
Bernard Kerik's aborted nomination as secretary of homeland security, as
well as the controversy over post-9/11 intelligence reform that some
renegade Republicans tried to block, likely added to Bush's
post-election woes.
It might seem natural for a president who just won a bitter and
exceedingly close election to suffer from soft poll numbers, considering
so many people voted against him. But Americans, up until now, have
traditionally rallied around the Election Day winner, no matter how
close the vote. For instance, in 1948, after Truman unexpectedly won
reelection by edging out Republican Thomas Dewey, his weak job-approval
ratings suddenly shot up to 69 percent. (Like Bush, Truman won
reelection despite having a Gallup job approval rating below 50 percent
just prior to the election.)
Following the 1960 election, President John Kennedy, winning an even
closer race over Nixon, enjoyed an even larger post-election bump in the
polls. After just one month in office, Kennedy saw his job-approval
rating jump to 72 percent.
That kind of embrace by voters was not limited to the simpler age of
American politics that predated a 24-hour news cycle. Even in the wake
of the bitterly divisive 2000 election, when the Supreme Court had to
step in and declare Bush the winner, the president, just weeks into his
first term, enjoyed a relative wellspring of goodwill. According to a
CNN/Time/Gallup poll in February 2001, Bush's approval rating stood at
57 percent, compared to just 25 percent who disapproved.
It's also telling to examine the approval gap in recent presidents.
According to an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, 60 percent approved of
Clinton's performance at the time of his 1997 inauguration, compared to
38 percent who disapproved. Fast-forward to 2004 and Bush's approval
gap, according to NBC/Wall Street Journal, stands at a microscopic five
points; just 49 percent approve, while 44 percent disapprove of his
performance in office.
That's why, come Inauguration Day, George W. Bush will likely make
history as the least popular president to ever take the oath of office.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
About the writer
Eric Boehlert is a senior writer at Salon.
-----Original Message-----
From: mowhunn [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:21 AM
To:
Subject: [smartgroup2] Re: Wrapping Iraqis in Israeli Flag: 1300 Dead
and Counting
The statistics lie, Americans cant be that fickle as to elect a guy
who endorses Iraq war like anything and then say he was wrong all
along, could they ?
M
--- In , "Robert Nordlander" <nord@f...>
wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nimby Noyb" <philengr@p...>
Poll shows most Americans now think war was a mistake
By Alec Russell in Washington
(Filed: 22/12/2004)
President George W Bush's post-election honeymoon came to an
abrupt end
yesterday as it emerged that, for the first time since last year's
invasion, a clear majority of Americans believe the war in Iraq is
a
mistake.
Before the news broke of the devastating attack on a US military
base in
Mosul, a Washington Post/ABC News opinion poll found that 56 per
cent of
Americans thought that, given the cost in American lives, the war
was "not
worth fighting."
A slender majority think the invasion of Iraq has contributed to
the future
security of America, but 70 per cent believe that the 1,300 dead US
soldiers are an "unacceptable price".
The growing disillusionment is not leading to pressure to pull out
the
150,000 US troops in Iraq. Nearly 60 percent of Americans support
keeping
them there until "civil order is restored."
But the findings puncture the mood of invulnerability and
triumphalism in
Republican circles since Mr Bush's election victory last month.
Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, also received a sober
reminder of
how his stock has slumped. The Washington Post poll found that
barely a
third of Americans approved of his job performance. Even among
Republicans,
only six out of ten polled want him to stay in his post.
In an article in USA Today Mr Rumsfeld sought to defend himself by
suggested the army he inherited in 2000 was still steeped in the
ways of
the Cold War and that the problem was not a lack of troops but of
the right
sort of troops: military policemen and civil affairs specialists.
Meanwhile, it has emerged that FBI agents have accused the
military of
placing lit cigarettes in Iraqi detainees' ears and humiliating
Arabs by
wrapping them in the Israeli flag.
.
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23 Dec 2004 11:23:46 AM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <eWByd.1616$5R.1509@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> "Tim FaROW"
<tfro@ccc.com> writes:
His mandate is fading like the chances for Democracy in Iraq.
I'm not sure that Bush received any kind of mandate. Sometimes I think
that the thinness of the Kerry alternative -- he couldn't seem to project
much more than "I'm not George Bush" -- is why more people went for Bush.
Which would mean that voters chose to settle for the guy who wasn't the
guy
who wasn't Bush.
The truely horrible thing is that "I'm not George Bush" should have been
MORE than enough.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "johnebravo836" |
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29 Dec 2004 04:22:43 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
[snip]
The truely horrible thing is that "I'm not George Bush" should have been
MORE than enough.
Relying on "Hey, I'm not the other guy" as the centerpiece of a
political campaign -- especially when you're the challenger -- is
*never* sufficient, nor should it be. I voted for him, but there's no
denying that the fact that Kerry couldn't unseat Bush only underscores
what a pathetic, embarrassingly inept candidate he was.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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02 Jan 2005 03:16:18 PM |
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"johnebravo836" <johnebravo836@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:33gparF40ar9hU1@individual.net...
Denis Loubet wrote:
[snip]
The truely horrible thing is that "I'm not George Bush" should have been
MORE than enough.
Relying on "Hey, I'm not the other guy" as the centerpiece of a political
campaign -- especially when you're the challenger -- is *never*
sufficient, nor should it be.
Oh, come ON! We're talking extreme circumstances. A moldy orange should have
unseated Bush.
I voted for him, but there's no denying that the fact that Kerry couldn't
unseat Bush only underscores what a pathetic, embarrassingly inept
candidate he was.
Yeah, but he could have been Cuthulhu, and would have gotten my vote.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "stoney" |
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29 Dec 2004 11:39:19 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:23:46 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:cqes52$5t6$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <eWByd.1616$5R.1509@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> "Tim FaROW"
<tfro@ccc.com> writes:
His mandate is fading like the chances for Democracy in Iraq.
I'm not sure that Bush received any kind of mandate. Sometimes I think
that the thinness of the Kerry alternative -- he couldn't seem to project
much more than "I'm not George Bush" -- is why more people went for Bush.
Which would mean that voters chose to settle for the guy who wasn't the
guy
who wasn't Bush.
The truely horrible thing is that "I'm not George Bush" should have been
MORE than enough.
It would have been-had the general populace been capable of thinking.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: Back by unpopular demand |
29 Dec 2004 04:26:34 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:23:46 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:cqes52$5t6$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <eWByd.1616$5R.1509@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> "Tim
FaROW"
<tfro@ccc.com> writes:
His mandate is fading like the chances for Democracy in Iraq.
I'm not sure that Bush received any kind of mandate. Sometimes I
think that the thinness of the Kerry alternative -- he couldn't seem
to project much more than "I'm not George Bush" -- is why more people
went for Bush. Which would mean that voters chose to settle for the
guy who wasn't the
guy
who wasn't Bush.
The truely horrible thing is that "I'm not George Bush" should have
been MORE than enough.
It would have been-had the general populace been capable of thinking.
They are, which is why the lefts ideology of hate was rejected.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Back by unpopular demand |
23 Dec 2004 09:56:41 PM |
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In our last episode <cqes52$5t6$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>, Cary Kittrell
lept out of the bushes shouting:
In article <eWByd.1616$5R.1509@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> "Tim FaROW"
<tfro@ccc.com> writes:
His mandate is fading like the chances for Democracy in Iraq.
I'm not sure that Bush received any kind of mandate.
Didn't you know? A 3% margin of barely holding on to your job is a
"landslide" now...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: Back by unpopular demand |
28 Dec 2004 12:25:35 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
< snip >
Didn't you know? A 3% margin of barely holding on to your job is a
"landslide" now...
Well, compared to the 2000 election....
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Back by unpopular demand |
28 Dec 2004 09:11:03 PM |
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In our last episode <33dmp1F3vlnoqU1@individual.net>, Tukla Ratte lept out
of the bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
< snip >
Didn't you know? A 3% margin of barely holding on to your job is a
"landslide" now...
Well, compared to the 2000 election....
That was a landslide! All of... minus how much percent?
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Back by unpopular demand |
29 Dec 2004 11:40:00 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:25:35 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
< snip >
Didn't you know? A 3% margin of barely holding on to your job is a
"landslide" now...
Well, compared to the 2000 election....
What 2000 'election?' The fix was in from the start as was the last.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: Back by unpopular demand |
29 Dec 2004 04:25:54 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:25:35 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
< snip >
Didn't you know? A 3% margin of barely holding on to your job is a
"landslide" now...
Well, compared to the 2000 election....
What 2000 'election?' The fix was in from the start as was the last.
And of course you can back this up with some evidence.
But it just sounds like you are a typical leftist loser, which is why
your side lost.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Back by unpopular demand |
29 Dec 2004 11:37:55 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:58:02 GMT, "Tim FaROW" <tfro@ccc.com> wrote:
His mandate is fading like the chances for Democracy in Iraq.
Democracy was never in the cards for Iraq. Puppet state status is.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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