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User: "Abel Malcolm"
Date: 17 Jul 2004 12:43:26 AM
Object: Bush Cuts Vital Programs, Including Homeland Security
Available documents show that the Bush administration is planning to
make deep cuts in all sorts of programs, from the EPA, to veterans, to
education programs, and then some. These cuts are scheduled to take
place after the November election.

Some of the programs facing these cuts are the National Institutes of
Health, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Interior
Department.

These cuts are inevitable, and they are the result of the economic
pressures caused by a string of irresponsible tax cuts that Bush has
pushed thru, cuts that have gone mostly to the richest 1%.

Documents show that one-third of Bush's budget will grow from the $821
billion Bush requested for 2005 to $843 billion in 2006, or about
2.7%, this is because of defense and foreign aid spending, which are
both slated for increases due to the battle against terrorism. In all
other wars, thru out our nation's history, taxes were increased to
help pay for it, except for this "war on terrorism", this time around,
taxes have actually been decreased, as a result there have been some
negative effects on the economy, and negative effects on the war.

The available documents show these:

Domestic security at the Homeland Security Department and other
agencies would go from $30.6 billion in 2005 to $29.6 billion in 2006,
a 3 percent drop.

The Education Department would go from $57.3 billion in 2005 to $55.9
billion in 2006, 2.4 percent less.

The Veterans Affairs Department would fall 3.4 percent from $29.7
billion in 2005 to $28.7 billion.

The Environmental Protection Agency would drop from $7.8 billion in
2005 to $7.6 billion, or 2.6 percent.

The National Institutes of Health, which finances biomedical research
and had its budget doubled over a recent five-year period, would fall
from $28.6 billion to $28 billion, or 2.1 percent.

The Interior Department would fall 1.9 percent from $10.8 billion in
2005 to $10.6 billion.

Go to this link for more info:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040528/news_1n28budget.html
.

User: "basilod"

Title: Re: Bush Cuts Vital Programs, Including Homeland Security 17 Jul 2004 11:48:06 AM
"Abel Malcolm" <AbelMalcolm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Available documents show that the Bush administration is planning to
make deep cuts in all sorts of programs, from the EPA, to veterans, to
education programs, and then some. These cuts are scheduled to take
place after the November election.

--
Just give him another term in office and he will be forced not just to cut
most of the programs by a few percentage points, but to scrap them
altogether. The time will come when he will have to start paying interest
on those bonds, which Bush Administration has been selling to cover its
unbudgeted expenses for its illegal war in Iraq (the bonds bought primarily
by the Chinese! The interest payments will go to China!). As the interest
rates will invariably go up, government's interest payments will go up too -
our government is the biggest borrower in the country and borrowers are the
ones who get hit when interest rates go up.
Last year the government spent $318 Billion on interest payments alone. As
the interest payments will continue going up (on larger principal and with
higher interest rates) we will probably be unable to support any government
programs.
Anybody who is interested can go and play with the budget cuts on his/her
own: http://www.kowaldesign.com/cgi/Budget.pl?estimates=111111
Anybody seeking more information on the budget, deficit, etc., can find
enough links on this page: http://www.federalbudget.com
"Man is the negative entropy of the Universe"
(Buckminster Fuller/Norbert Wiener, 1957)
.

User: "T.Carr"

Title: Re: Bush Cuts Vital Programs, Including Homeland Security 17 Jul 2004 06:29:06 AM
(Abel Malcolm) wrote in message news:<f1fd22d4.0407162143.273e796e@posting.google.com>...

Available documents show that the Bush administration is planning to
make deep cuts in all sorts of programs, from the EPA, to veterans, to
education programs, and then some. These cuts are scheduled to take
place after the November election.

Where is the link to these "available documents" UnAbel?
Budgets are passed in the light of day by Congress. Bush does
unliaterally not get to "cut" them after the Nov election.
Care to support your claims with evidence..for a change?

T.Carr


Some of the programs facing these cuts are the National Institutes of
Health, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Interior
Department.

These cuts are inevitable, and they are the result of the economic
pressures caused by a string of irresponsible tax cuts that Bush has
pushed thru, cuts that have gone mostly to the richest 1%.

Documents show that one-third of Bush's budget will grow from the $821
billion Bush requested for 2005 to $843 billion in 2006, or about
2.7%, this is because of defense and foreign aid spending, which are
both slated for increases due to the battle against terrorism. In all
other wars, thru out our nation's history, taxes were increased to
help pay for it, except for this "war on terrorism", this time around,
taxes have actually been decreased, as a result there have been some
negative effects on the economy, and negative effects on the war.

The available documents show these:

Domestic security at the Homeland Security Department and other
agencies would go from $30.6 billion in 2005 to $29.6 billion in 2006,
a 3 percent drop.

The Education Department would go from $57.3 billion in 2005 to $55.9
billion in 2006, 2.4 percent less.

The Veterans Affairs Department would fall 3.4 percent from $29.7
billion in 2005 to $28.7 billion.

The Environmental Protection Agency would drop from $7.8 billion in
2005 to $7.6 billion, or 2.6 percent.

The National Institutes of Health, which finances biomedical research
and had its budget doubled over a recent five-year period, would fall
from $28.6 billion to $28 billion, or 2.1 percent.

The Interior Department would fall 1.9 percent from $10.8 billion in
2005 to $10.6 billion.

Go to this link for more info:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040528/news_1n28budget.html

.
User: "basilod"

Title: Re: Bush Cuts Vital Programs, Including Homeland Security 17 Jul 2004 11:50:18 AM
"T.Carr" <TCarr13397@aol.com> wrote in message
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AbelMalcolm@hotmail.com (Abel Malcolm) wrote in message

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Available documents show that the Bush administration is planning to
make deep cuts in all sorts of programs, from the EPA, to veterans, to
education programs, and then some. These cuts are scheduled to take
place after the November election.


Where is the link to these "available documents" UnAbel?
Budgets are passed in the light of day by Congress. Bush does
unliaterally not get to "cut" them after the Nov election.

Care to support your claims with evidence..for a change?

He gave you a link to the source of his information. If that is not enough
for you, try this page - you will find enough links there:
http://www.federalbudget.com/

T.Carr


Some of the programs facing these cuts are the National Institutes of
Health, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Interior
Department.

These cuts are inevitable, and they are the result of the economic
pressures caused by a string of irresponsible tax cuts that Bush has
pushed thru, cuts that have gone mostly to the richest 1%.

Documents show that one-third of Bush's budget will grow from the $821
billion Bush requested for 2005 to $843 billion in 2006, or about
2.7%, this is because of defense and foreign aid spending, which are
both slated for increases due to the battle against terrorism. In all
other wars, thru out our nation's history, taxes were increased to
help pay for it, except for this "war on terrorism", this time around,
taxes have actually been decreased, as a result there have been some
negative effects on the economy, and negative effects on the war.

The available documents show these:

Domestic security at the Homeland Security Department and other
agencies would go from $30.6 billion in 2005 to $29.6 billion in 2006,
a 3 percent drop.

The Education Department would go from $57.3 billion in 2005 to $55.9
billion in 2006, 2.4 percent less.

The Veterans Affairs Department would fall 3.4 percent from $29.7
billion in 2005 to $28.7 billion.

The Environmental Protection Agency would drop from $7.8 billion in
2005 to $7.6 billion, or 2.6 percent.

The National Institutes of Health, which finances biomedical research
and had its budget doubled over a recent five-year period, would fall
from $28.6 billion to $28 billion, or 2.1 percent.

The Interior Department would fall 1.9 percent from $10.8 billion in
2005 to $10.6 billion.

Go to this link for more info:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040528/news_1n28budget.html

.
User: "T.Carr"

Title: Re: Bush Cuts Vital Programs, Including Homeland Security 17 Jul 2004 07:06:27 PM
"basilod" <basilod@earthlink.com> wrote in message news:<eNcKc.1543$f4.138@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...

"T.Carr" <TCarr13397@aol.com> wrote in message
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AbelMalcolm@hotmail.com (Abel Malcolm) wrote in message

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Available documents show that the Bush administration is planning to
make deep cuts in all sorts of programs, from the EPA, to veterans, to
education programs, and then some. These cuts are scheduled to take
place after the November election.


Where is the link to these "available documents" UnAbel?
Budgets are passed in the light of day by Congress. Bush does
unliaterally not get to "cut" them after the Nov election.

Care to support your claims with evidence..for a change?


He gave you a link to the source of his information.

His link included the statement below
"Decisions about spending levels "won't be made for months," said
the spokesman, J.T. Young. "It doesn't mean we won't adequately fund
our priorities."
If that is not enough

for you, try this page - you will find enough links there:
http://www.federalbudget.com/

Hardly..the budget has not been passed
Care to try again?

T.Carr


T.Carr


Some of the programs facing these cuts are the National Institutes of
Health, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Interior
Department.

These cuts are inevitable, and they are the result of the economic
pressures caused by a string of irresponsible tax cuts that Bush has
pushed thru, cuts that have gone mostly to the richest 1%.

Documents show that one-third of Bush's budget will grow from the $821
billion Bush requested for 2005 to $843 billion in 2006, or about
2.7%, this is because of defense and foreign aid spending, which are
both slated for increases due to the battle against terrorism. In all
other wars, thru out our nation's history, taxes were increased to
help pay for it, except for this "war on terrorism", this time around,
taxes have actually been decreased, as a result there have been some
negative effects on the economy, and negative effects on the war.

The available documents show these:

Domestic security at the Homeland Security Department and other
agencies would go from $30.6 billion in 2005 to $29.6 billion in 2006,
a 3 percent drop.

The Education Department would go from $57.3 billion in 2005 to $55.9
billion in 2006, 2.4 percent less.

The Veterans Affairs Department would fall 3.4 percent from $29.7
billion in 2005 to $28.7 billion.

The Environmental Protection Agency would drop from $7.8 billion in
2005 to $7.6 billion, or 2.6 percent.

The National Institutes of Health, which finances biomedical research
and had its budget doubled over a recent five-year period, would fall
from $28.6 billion to $28 billion, or 2.1 percent.

The Interior Department would fall 1.9 percent from $10.8 billion in
2005 to $10.6 billion.

Go to this link for more info:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040528/news_1n28budget.html

.
User: "Bob LeChevalier"

Title: Re: Bush Cuts Vital Programs, Including Homeland Security 17 Jul 2004 11:50:45 PM
(T.Carr) wrote:

If that is not enough

for you, try this page - you will find enough links there:
http://www.federalbudget.com/


Hardly..the budget has not been passed

Care to try again?

We can hold Bush solely responsible for the budget he submits to
Congress, not for the one that the Congress finally passes.
lojbab
--
lojbab

Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
.
User: "T.Carr"

Title: Re: Bush Cuts Vital Programs, Including Homeland Security 18 Jul 2004 06:50:49 AM
Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message news:<5a0kf0t86a85n03i2l9f6942j50a6acduq@4ax.com>...

TCarr13397@aol.com (T.Carr) wrote:

If that is not enough

for you, try this page - you will find enough links there:
http://www.federalbudget.com/


Hardly..the budget has not been passed

Care to try again?


We can hold Bush solely responsible for the budget he submits to
Congress, not for the one that the Congress finally passes.

You can "hold Bush accountable" for anything your heart desires.
The budget is a shared responsibility between Congress and the
Executitive. As both have input into the final budget, it would seem
reasonable to share the responsibility
It you want to hold the president solely responsible thats your
opinion
The "rumors" Un Abel forwarded in his article ignored the fact that
the budget negotiations have not been completed, or the final bill
passed

T.Carr


lojbab

.
User: "Bob LeChevalier"

Title: Re: Bush Cuts Vital Programs, Including Homeland Security 18 Jul 2004 11:41:44 AM
(T.Carr) wrote:

Bob LeChevalier <

> wrote in message news:<5a0kf0t86a85n03i2l9f6942j50a6acduq@4ax.com>...

(T.Carr) wrote:

If that is not enough

for you, try this page - you will find enough links there:
http://www.federalbudget.com/


Hardly..the budget has not been passed

Care to try again?


We can hold Bush solely responsible for the budget he submits to
Congress, not for the one that the Congress finally passes.


You can "hold Bush accountable" for anything your heart desires.

Yes I can.

The budget is a shared responsibility between Congress and the
Executitive.

There are two budgets. The Presidential budget, which is the
responsibility of the President, and the Congressional budget which is
the responsibility of Congress.

As both have input into the final budget, it would seem
reasonable to share the responsibility

I would rather hold each accountable for their own budgets. The
President has input into the Congressional budget, but no actual
decision power in the result.

It you want to hold the president solely responsible thats your
opinion

The "rumors" Un Abel forwarded in his article ignored the fact that
the budget negotiations have not been completed, or the final bill
passed

Doesn't matter. The plans of the current president are highly
relevant to whether we want to reelect him. Congress may come up with
contrary plans, but if we cannot hold a presidential candidate
accountable for evidence of what he plans for the coming term of
office, we have very little basis on which to decide who should be
president. (Character is of course highly relevant, but Bush isn't
winning my vote on the basis of character).
lojbab
--
lojbab

Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
.



User: "Joe S."

Title: Re: Bush Cuts Vital Programs, Including Homeland Security 17 Jul 2004 08:21:17 PM
T. Carr has revealed his absolute and complete ignorance of the federal
budget cycle. The administration -- in this case, the Bush junta --
prepares and circulates budget planning guidance documents in which they
tell each federal department what to expect. These documents are typically
leaked to the Washington press corps and are among the worst kept secrets in
Washington.
This is what the articles in question are referring to -- and the budget
planning guidance is exactly what the Bush junta plans to do. Their final
budget may vary a bit from the planning documents but not much.
T. Carr should refrain from commenting on matters about which he is totally
ignorant. Of course, if he did that, he'd need to turn in his computer as
he would have nothing to say.
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Available documents show that the Bush administration is planning to
make deep cuts in all sorts of programs, from the EPA, to veterans,

to

education programs, and then some. These cuts are scheduled to take
place after the November election.


Where is the link to these "available documents" UnAbel?
Budgets are passed in the light of day by Congress. Bush does
unliaterally not get to "cut" them after the Nov election.

Care to support your claims with evidence..for a change?


He gave you a link to the source of his information.


His link included the statement below

"Decisions about spending levels "won't be made for months," said
the spokesman, J.T. Young. "It doesn't mean we won't adequately fund
our priorities."



If that is not enough

for you, try this page - you will find enough links there:
http://www.federalbudget.com/


Hardly..the budget has not been passed

Care to try again?


T.Carr


T.Carr


Some of the programs facing these cuts are the National Institutes

of

Health, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Interior
Department.

These cuts are inevitable, and they are the result of the economic
pressures caused by a string of irresponsible tax cuts that Bush has
pushed thru, cuts that have gone mostly to the richest 1%.

Documents show that one-third of Bush's budget will grow from the

$821

billion Bush requested for 2005 to $843 billion in 2006, or about
2.7%, this is because of defense and foreign aid spending, which are
both slated for increases due to the battle against terrorism. In

all

other wars, thru out our nation's history, taxes were increased to
help pay for it, except for this "war on terrorism", this time

around,

taxes have actually been decreased, as a result there have been some
negative effects on the economy, and negative effects on the war.

The available documents show these:

Domestic security at the Homeland Security Department and other
agencies would go from $30.6 billion in 2005 to $29.6 billion in

2006,

a 3 percent drop.

The Education Department would go from $57.3 billion in 2005 to

$55.9

billion in 2006, 2.4 percent less.

The Veterans Affairs Department would fall 3.4 percent from $29.7
billion in 2005 to $28.7 billion.

The Environmental Protection Agency would drop from $7.8 billion in
2005 to $7.6 billion, or 2.6 percent.

The National Institutes of Health, which finances biomedical

research

and had its budget doubled over a recent five-year period, would

fall

from $28.6 billion to $28 billion, or 2.1 percent.

The Interior Department would fall 1.9 percent from $10.8 billion in
2005 to $10.6 billion.

Go to this link for more info:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040528/news_1n28budget.html
.
User: "T.Carr"

Title: Re: Bush Cuts Vital Programs, Including Homeland Security 18 Jul 2004 06:45:03 AM
"Joe S." <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:<cdcjaf01p43@news3.newsguy.com>...

T. Carr has revealed his absolute and complete ignorance of the federal
budget cycle. The administration -- in this case, the Bush junta --
prepares and circulates budget planning guidance documents in which they
tell each federal department what to expect. These documents are typically
leaked to the Washington press corps and are among the worst kept secrets in
Washington.

JoeS has revealed his abject ignorance on how budgets and funding
are acomplished in our government
No wonder he is a 'dem


This is what the articles in question are referring to -- and the budget
planning guidance is exactly what the Bush junta plans to do. Their final
budget may vary a bit from the planning documents but not much.

Apparently you dont have a clue to WHO PASSES BUDGETS
The administration proposes its "wish list" for funding, but
CONGRESS provides the budget. The Executitive has only the right to
accept or reject the budget passed by congress
Try reading the Consiitution. It would be a bit rough for you as it
has big words and no pictures


T. Carr should refrain from commenting on matters about which he is totally
ignorant. Of course, if he did that, he'd need to turn in his computer as
he would have nothing to say.

Tell us again WHO passes budgets "joe"
Or is this where you conviently disappear..again
T.Carr


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Available documents show that the Bush administration is planning to
make deep cuts in all sorts of programs, from the EPA, to veterans,

to

education programs, and then some. These cuts are scheduled to take
place after the November election.


Where is the link to these "available documents" UnAbel?
Budgets are passed in the light of day by Congress. Bush does
unliaterally not get to "cut" them after the Nov election.

Care to support your claims with evidence..for a change?


He gave you a link to the source of his information.


His link included the statement below

"Decisions about spending levels "won't be made for months," said
the spokesman, J.T. Young. "It doesn't mean we won't adequately fund
our priorities."



If that is not enough

for you, try this page - you will find enough links there:
http://www.federalbudget.com/


Hardly..the budget has not been passed

Care to try again?


T.Carr


T.Carr


Some of the programs facing these cuts are the National Institutes

of

Health, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Interior
Department.

These cuts are inevitable, and they are the result of the economic
pressures caused by a string of irresponsible tax cuts that Bush has
pushed thru, cuts that have gone mostly to the richest 1%.

Documents show that one-third of Bush's budget will grow from the

$821

billion Bush requested for 2005 to $843 billion in 2006, or about
2.7%, this is because of defense and foreign aid spending, which are
both slated for increases due to the battle against terrorism. In

all

other wars, thru out our nation's history, taxes were increased to
help pay for it, except for this "war on terrorism", this time

around,

taxes have actually been decreased, as a result there have been some
negative effects on the economy, and negative effects on the war.

The available documents show these:

Domestic security at the Homeland Security Department and other
agencies would go from $30.6 billion in 2005 to $29.6 billion in

2006,

a 3 percent drop.

The Education Department would go from $57.3 billion in 2005 to

$55.9

billion in 2006, 2.4 percent less.

The Veterans Affairs Department would fall 3.4 percent from $29.7
billion in 2005 to $28.7 billion.

The Environmental Protection Agency would drop from $7.8 billion in
2005 to $7.6 billion, or 2.6 percent.

The National Institutes of Health, which finances biomedical

research

and had its budget doubled over a recent five-year period, would

fall

from $28.6 billion to $28 billion, or 2.1 percent.

The Interior Department would fall 1.9 percent from $10.8 billion in
2005 to $10.6 billion.

Go to this link for more info:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040528/news_1n28budget.html

.
User: "Bob LeChevalier"

Title: Re: Bush Cuts Vital Programs, Including Homeland Security 18 Jul 2004 11:14:27 AM
(T.Carr) wrote:

"Joe S." <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:<cdcjaf01p43@news3.newsguy.com>...

T. Carr has revealed his absolute and complete ignorance of the federal
budget cycle. The administration -- in this case, the Bush junta --
prepares and circulates budget planning guidance documents in which they
tell each federal department what to expect. These documents are typically
leaked to the Washington press corps and are among the worst kept secrets in
Washington.


JoeS has revealed his abject ignorance on how budgets and funding
are acomplished in our government

You don't have the story right either.

This is what the articles in question are referring to -- and the budget
planning guidance is exactly what the Bush junta plans to do. Their final
budget may vary a bit from the planning documents but not much.


Apparently you dont have a clue to WHO PASSES BUDGETS

Nor do you.
http://www.house.gov/rules/96-912.htm

The President's budget, officially referred to as the Budget of the
United States Government, is required to be submitted to Congress
early in the legislative session, no later than the first Monday in
February. The budget consists of estimates of spending, revenues,
borrowing, and debt; policy and legislative recommendations; detailed
estimates of the financial operations of federal agencies and
programs; data on the actual and projected performance of the
economy; and other information supporting the President's
recommendations.

The President's budget is only a request to Congress; Congress is not
required to adopt his recommendations. Nevertheless, the power to
formulate and submit the budget is a vital tool in the President's
direction of the executive branch and of national policy. The
President's proposals often guide congressional revenue and spending
decisions, though the extent of the influence varies from year to
year and depends more on political and fiscal conditions than on the
legal status of the budget.

The Constitution does not provide for a budget, nor does it require
the President to make recommendations concerning the revenues and
spending of the federal government. Until 1921, the federal
government operated without a comprehensive presidential budget
process. The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 (P.L. 67-13; 42 Stat.
20-27), as amended, provides for a national budget system. Its basic
requirement is that the President should prepare and submit a budget
to Congress each year. The 1921 act established the Bureau of the
Budget, now named the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), to
assist the President in preparing and implementing the executive
budget. Although it has been amended many times, this statute
provides the legal basis for the presidential budget, prescribes much
of its content, and defines the roles of the President and the
agencies in the process.

And note the following:

Preparation of the President's budget typically begins in the spring
(or earlier) each year, at least nine months before the budget is
submitted to Congress, about 17 months before the start of the fiscal
year to which it pertains, and about 29 months before the close of
that fiscal year. The early stages of budget preparation occur in
federal agencies. When they begin work on the budget for a fiscal
year, agencies already are implementing the budget for the fiscal
year in progress and awaiting final appropriations actions and other
legislative decisions for the fiscal year after that. The long lead
times and the fact that appropriations have not yet been made for the
next year mean that the budget is prepared with a great deal of
uncertainty about economic conditions, presidential policies, and
congressional actions.

As agencies formulate their budgets, they maintain continuing contact
with the OMB examiners assigned to them. These contacts provide
agencies with guidance in preparing their budgets and also enable
them to alert OMB to any needs or problems that may loom ahead.
Agency requests are submitted to OMB in late summer or early fall;
these are reviewed by OMB staff in consultation with the President
and his aides. The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 bars agencies
from submitting their budget requests directly to Congress. Moreover,
OMB regulations provide for confidentiality in all budget requests
and recommendations prior to the transmittal of the President's
budget to Congress. However, it is quite common for internal budget
documents to become public while the budget is still being
formulated.

So there are in fact already documents circulating between OMB and the
agencies, under the direction of the current President, for the budget
that will be submitted next January, even if the current President is
not reelected, and this process occurs under the direction of law,
funded by Congressional authority.
Furthermore, as noted, the budget itself, even when approved by
Congress, is not an authorization for any expenditure. Nor is it a
law, and the final Congressional budget is not subject to Presidential
veto:

The Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (P.L.
93-344; 88 Stat. 297-339), as amended, establishes the congressional
budget process as the means by which Congress coordinates the various
budget-related actions (such as the consideration of appropriations
and revenue measures) taken by it during the course of the year. The
process is centered around an annual concurrent resolution on the
budget that sets aggregate budget policies and functional priorities
for the next five fiscal years. (Pursuant to temporary changes made
by the Budget Enforcement Act of 1990, the budget resolution must
cover five fiscal years from 1991 through 1998; Congress has used
special authority the past two years to extend the budget resolution
to a six- or seven-year time frame to coincide with its
deficit-reduction goals.)

Because a concurrent resolution is not a law -- it cannot be signed or
vetoed by the President -- the budget resolution does not have
statutory effect; no money can be raised or spent pursuant to it. The
main purpose of the budget resolution is to establish the framework
within which Congress considers separate revenue, spending, and other
budget-related legislation. Revenue and spending amounts set in the
budget resolution establish the basis for the enforcement of
congressional budget policies through points of order. The budget
resolution also initiates the reconciliation process for conforming
existing revenue and spending laws to congressional budget policies.
The administration proposes its "wish list" for funding, but
CONGRESS provides the budget.

This is false. The admin is required by law to provide a full budget,
not merely a wish list, though Congress is free to ignore that budget
if it wishes in creating its own.

The Executitive has only the right to
accept or reject the budget passed by congress

As noted in the cited page, the Executive has no power to reject the
Congressional budget.

Try reading the Consiitution.

As noted in the cited page, there is no provision for a budget in the
Constitution.

T. Carr should refrain from commenting on matters about which he is totally
ignorant. Of course, if he did that, he'd need to turn in his computer as
he would have nothing to say.


Tell us again WHO passes budgets "joe"

Not at issue. The claim by the poster was:

The administration -- in this case, the Bush junta --
prepares and circulates budget planning guidance documents in which they
tell each federal department what to expect.

And that statement is in accordance with the law.
lojbab
--
lojbab

Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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User: ""

Title: Re: Bush Cuts Vital Programs, Including Homeland Security 18 Jul 2004 02:59:26 AM

"Joe S." <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote: =A0=A0
T. Carr should refrain from commenting
on matters about which he is totally
ignorant. Of course, if he did that, he'd
need to turn in his computer as he would
have nothing to say.


This is the "faith based" administration. That means that all of Bush's
supporters (like T. Carr) are supposed to have faith in whatever Bush
says, even if what Bush says is an outrageous lie.

And how are simple minded idiots like T. Carr supposed to know when Bush
is lying? Here's a simple formula to go by, whenever Bush opens his
mouth, it's a lie.
But hey, Republicans are supposed to have faith, their preacher probably
told them to (have faith in Bush's lies). Amen.

Abel Malcolm

Somewhere in Texas...a village is missing its idiot
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Educate yourself & go to these links:

www.moveon.org & www.salon.com & www.buzzflash.com &
www.politicaljustice.com & www.democrats.org & www.bushwatch.com &
http://www.time.com/time/columnist/karon/article/0,9565,472023,00.html?cnn=
=3Dyes
& www.bopbush.com
.





User: "Gray Shockley"

Title: Re: Bush Cuts Vital Programs, Including Homeland Security 17 Jul 2004 01:19:06 AM
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:43:26 -0500, Abel Malcolm wrote
(in article <f1fd22d4.0407162143.273e796e@posting.google.com>):

Available documents show that the Bush administration is planning to
make deep cuts in all sorts of programs, from the EPA, to veterans, to
education programs, and then some. These cuts are scheduled to take
place after the November election.

Some of the programs facing these cuts are the National Institutes of
Health, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Interior
Department.

These cuts are inevitable, and they are the result of the economic
pressures caused by a string of irresponsible tax cuts that Bush has
pushed thru, cuts that have gone mostly to the richest 1%.

That's okay. I mean, after all, President Bush is not so foolish as to
be thinking of the American People as his constituancy.
After all, in the best tradition of American second-rate/ third-rate
politicans, Bush is, certainly, a member.
I mean - after all - we're talking about someone who hasn't been
conscious for decades.
President Bush , sorta. is a posterboy for the Americans Who Aren't
Stupid Are Almost Peope, too.
Gray Shockley
----------------------
And, so it goes.
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