And...yet...not ONE attack on US soil in 6 years.

Engineer. Petard. How's the view up there?

-- cary

Those ARE US soil. Get a clue.

On Jul 13, 11:32 am,

In article <1184332258.762442.319...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> writes:

On Jul 12, 10:18 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:

Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

They're not going to invade us with hundreds of thousands
of troops, Ken; if they do anything, it will be done
by a few dozen operatives.

And...yet...not ONE attack on US soil in 6 years.

Before 9/11 there was not ONE attack on US soil in 10 years.

Yeah, Bush is totally doing the wrong thing to fight them with troops instead of
citizens, here...right?

He isn't fighting "them". He's fighting Iraqis.

If he were fighting "them" we'd have had 100,000 troops on the
Afghanistan/Pakistan border attacking "them" 5 years ago.

lojbab

Now you are just showing your ignorance. What about the FIRST attack
on the World Trade Center, the bomb that went off at the bottom
floor. Then, there is the attack on the US Embassy. Then, there is
the attack on our ship. That is just three that Clinton let go by.
Oh, I forgot...you practice revisionist history (cut out the parts you
don't want to know...like our religious heritage).

"Clinton let go by"? Which country would you have had
him attack?

Anywho, speaking of "showing your ignorance":

* On 26 February 1993, a car loaded with 1,200 pounds of explosives
blew up in a parking garage under the World Trade Center, killing
six people and injuring about a thousand others. The blast did
not, as its planners intended, bring down the towers -- that was
finally accomplished by flying two hijacked airliners into the
twin towers on the morning of 11 September 2001.

Four followers of the Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman were
captured, convicted of the World Trade Center bombing in March
1994, and sentenced to 240 years in prison each. The purported
mastermind of the plot, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, was captured in 1995,
convicted of the bombing in November 1997, and also sentenced to
240 years in prison. One additional suspect fled the U.S. and is
believed to be living in Baghdad.

* On 13 November 1995, a bomb was set off in a van parked in front
of an American-run military training center in the Saudi Arabian
capital of Riyadh, killing five Americans and two Indians. Saudi
Arabian authorities arrested four Saudi nationals whom they claim
confessed to the bombings, but U.S. officials were denied
permission to see or question the suspects before they were
convicted and beheaded in May 1996.

* On 25 June 1996, a booby-trapped truck loaded with 5,000 pounds of
explosives was exploded outside the Khobar Towers apartment
complex which housed United States military personnel in Dhahran,
Saudi Arabia, killing nineteen Americans and wounding about three
hundred others. Once again, the U.S. investigation was hampered by
the refusal of Saudi officials to allow the FBI to question suspects.

On 21 June 2001, just before the American statute of limitations
would have expired, a federal grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia,
indicted thirteen Saudis and an unidentified Lebanese chemist for
the Khobar Towers bombing. The suspects remain in Saudi custody,
beyond the reach of the American justice system. (Saudi Arabia has
no extradition treaty with the U.S.)

* On 7 August 1998, powerful car bombs exploded minutes apart
outside the United States embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es
Salaam, Tanzania, killing 224 people and wounding about 5,000
others. Four participants with ties to Osama bin Laden were
captured, convicted in U.S. federal court, and sentenced to life
in prison without parole in October 2001. Fourteen other suspects
indicted in the case remain at large, and three more are fighting
extradition in London.

* On 12 October 2000, two suicide bombers detonated an
explosives-laden skiff next to the USS /Cole/ while it was
refueling in Aden, Yemen, blasting a hole in the ship that killed
17 sailors and injured 37 others. No suspects have yet been
arrested or indicted. The investigation has been hampered by the
refusal of Yemini officials to allow FBI agents access to Yemeni
nationals and other suspects in custody in Yemen.

(The USS /Cole/ bombing occurred one month before the 2000
presidential election, so even under the best of circumstances it
was unlikely that the investigation could have been completed
before the end of President Clinton's term of office three months
later.)

In August 1998, President Clinton ordered missile strikes against
targets in Afghanistan in an effort to hit Osama bin Laden, who had been
linked to the embassy bombings in Africa (and was later connected to the
attack on the USS /Cole/). The missiles reportedly missed bin Laden by a
few hours, and Clinton was widely criticized by many who claimed he had
ordered the strikes primarily to draw attention away from the Monica
Lewinsky scandal. As John F. Harris wrote in /The Washington Post/:

In August 1998, when [Clinton] ordered missile strikes in an effort
to kill Osama bin Laden, there was widespread speculation -- from
such people as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) -- that he was acting
precipitously to draw attention away from the Monica S. Lewinsky
scandal, then at full boil. Some said he was mistaken for
personalizing the terrorism struggle so much around bin Laden. And
when he ordered the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the
White House after domestic terrorism in Oklahoma City, some
Republicans accused him of hysteria.

. . . the federal budget on anti-terror activities tripled during
Clinton's watch, to about $6.7 billion. After the effort to kill bin
Laden with missiles in August 1998 failed -- he had apparently left a
training camp in Afghanistan a few hours earlier -- recent news
reports have detailed numerous other instances, as late as December
2000, when Clinton was on the verge of unleashing the military
again. In each case, the White House chose not to act because of
uncertainty that intelligence was good enough to find bin Laden, and
concern that a failed attack would only enhance his stature in the
Arab world.

. . . people maintain Clinton should have adapted Bush's policy
promising that regimes that harbor terrorism will be treated as
severely as terrorists themselves, and threatening to evict the
Taliban from power in Afghanistan unless leaders meet his demands to
produce bin Laden and associates. But Clinton aides said such a
policy -- potentially involving a full-scale war in central Asia --
was not plausible before politics the world over became transformed
by one of history's most lethal acts of terrorism.

Clinton's former national security adviser, Samuel R. Berger . . .
said there [was] little prospect . . . that Pakistan would have
helped the United States wage war against bin Laden or the Taliban
in 1998, even after such outrages as the bombing of U.S. embassies
overseas.

[from snopes.com]

-- cary

I though you were claiming that a Democrat President would keep them
from attacking us...

seems you were wrong. Second point. That's a LOT

of terrorist attacks that Clinton took without responding to them.

On Jul 13, 11:32 am,

In article <1184332258.762442.319...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> writes:

On Jul 12, 10:18 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:

Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

They're not going to invade us with hundreds of thousands
of troops, Ken; if they do anything, it will be done
by a few dozen operatives.

And...yet...not ONE attack on US soil in 6 years.

Before 9/11 there was not ONE attack on US soil in 10 years.

Yeah, Bush is totally doing the wrong thing to fight them with troops instead of
citizens, here...right?

He isn't fighting "them". He's fighting Iraqis.

If he were fighting "them" we'd have had 100,000 troops on the
Afghanistan/Pakistan border attacking "them" 5 years ago.

lojbab

Now you are just showing your ignorance. What about the FIRST attack
on the World Trade Center, the bomb that went off at the bottom
floor. Then, there is the attack on the US Embassy. Then, there is
the attack on our ship. That is just three that Clinton let go by.
Oh, I forgot...you practice revisionist history (cut out the parts you
don't want to know...like our religious heritage).

"Clinton let go by"? Which country would you have had
him attack?

Anywho, speaking of "showing your ignorance":

* On 26 February 1993, a car loaded with 1,200 pounds of explosives
blew up in a parking garage under the World Trade Center, killing
six people and injuring about a thousand others. The blast did
not, as its planners intended, bring down the towers -- that was
finally accomplished by flying two hijacked airliners into the
twin towers on the morning of 11 September 2001.

Four followers of the Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman were
captured, convicted of the World Trade Center bombing in March
1994, and sentenced to 240 years in prison each. The purported
mastermind of the plot, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, was captured in 1995,
convicted of the bombing in November 1997, and also sentenced to
240 years in prison. One additional suspect fled the U.S. and is
believed to be living in Baghdad.

* On 13 November 1995, a bomb was set off in a van parked in front
of an American-run military training center in the Saudi Arabian
capital of Riyadh, killing five Americans and two Indians. Saudi
Arabian authorities arrested four Saudi nationals whom they claim
confessed to the bombings, but U.S. officials were denied
permission to see or question the suspects before they were
convicted and beheaded in May 1996.

* On 25 June 1996, a booby-trapped truck loaded with 5,000 pounds of
explosives was exploded outside the Khobar Towers apartment
complex which housed United States military personnel in Dhahran,
Saudi Arabia, killing nineteen Americans and wounding about three
hundred others. Once again, the U.S. investigation was hampered by
the refusal of Saudi officials to allow the FBI to question suspects.

On 21 June 2001, just before the American statute of limitations
would have expired, a federal grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia,
indicted thirteen Saudis and an unidentified Lebanese chemist for
the Khobar Towers bombing. The suspects remain in Saudi custody,
beyond the reach of the American justice system. (Saudi Arabia has
no extradition treaty with the U.S.)

* On 7 August 1998, powerful car bombs exploded minutes apart
outside the United States embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es
Salaam, Tanzania, killing 224 people and wounding about 5,000
others. Four participants with ties to Osama bin Laden were
captured, convicted in U.S. federal court, and sentenced to life
in prison without parole in October 2001. Fourteen other suspects
indicted in the case remain at large, and three more are fighting
extradition in London.

* On 12 October 2000, two suicide bombers detonated an
explosives-laden skiff next to the USS /Cole/ while it was
refueling in Aden, Yemen, blasting a hole in the ship that killed
17 sailors and injured 37 others. No suspects have yet been
arrested or indicted. The investigation has been hampered by the
refusal of Yemini officials to allow FBI agents access to Yemeni
nationals and other suspects in custody in Yemen.

(The USS /Cole/ bombing occurred one month before the 2000
presidential election, so even under the best of circumstances it
was unlikely that the investigation could have been completed
before the end of President Clinton's term of office three months
later.)

In August 1998, President Clinton ordered missile strikes against
targets in Afghanistan in an effort to hit Osama bin Laden, who had been
linked to the embassy bombings in Africa (and was later connected to the
attack on the USS /Cole/). The missiles reportedly missed bin Laden by a
few hours, and Clinton was widely criticized by many who claimed he had
ordered the strikes primarily to draw attention away from the Monica
Lewinsky scandal. As John F. Harris wrote in /The Washington Post/:

In August 1998, when [Clinton] ordered missile strikes in an effort
to kill Osama bin Laden, there was widespread speculation -- from
such people as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) -- that he was acting
precipitously to draw attention away from the Monica S. Lewinsky
scandal, then at full boil. Some said he was mistaken for
personalizing the terrorism struggle so much around bin Laden. And
when he ordered the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the
White House after domestic terrorism in Oklahoma City, some
Republicans accused him of hysteria.

. . . the federal budget on anti-terror activities tripled during
Clinton's watch, to about $6.7 billion. After the effort to kill bin
Laden with missiles in August 1998 failed -- he had apparently left a
training camp in Afghanistan a few hours earlier -- recent news
reports have detailed numerous other instances, as late as December
2000, when Clinton was on the verge of unleashing the military
again. In each case, the White House chose not to act because of
uncertainty that intelligence was good enough to find bin Laden, and
concern that a failed attack would only enhance his stature in the
Arab world.

. . . people maintain Clinton should have adapted Bush's policy
promising that regimes that harbor terrorism will be treated as
severely as terrorists themselves, and threatening to evict the
Taliban from power in Afghanistan unless leaders meet his demands to
produce bin Laden and associates. But Clinton aides said such a
policy -- potentially involving a full-scale war in central Asia --
was not plausible before politics the world over became transformed
by one of history's most lethal acts of terrorism.

Clinton's former national security adviser, Samuel R. Berger . . .
said there [was] little prospect . . . that Pakistan would have
helped the United States wage war against bin Laden or the Taliban
in 1998, even after such outrages as the bombing of U.S. embassies
overseas.

[from snopes.com]

-- cary

I though you were claiming that a Democrat President would keep them
from attacking us

Second point.

That's a LOT of terrorist attacks that Clinton took

without responding to them.

How many such terrorist attacks have happened in Bush's term?