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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:24:59 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>

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http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040717-043458-6068r.htm

Bush lauded by Medal of Honor winners

Washington, DC, Jul. 17 (UPI) -- The Bush campaign released

open

letter

to veterans Saturday signed by 21 Congressional Medal of

winners

endorsing Bush's re-election.

All I have to say is www.awolbush

Bush was never awol. So what is your next lie.

Prove it.

It is hard to prove a negative.

I'll put it in your court...

Prove he was AWOL.

Produce your backup information.

It is actually very easy to prove that you were employed during a

specific

time period. People have to do it all of the time to get mortgages,

take

out

loans, get a new job, get security clearances, rent an apartment, ...

Bush should have NO PROBLEM proving his employment.

And his records indicate no lost time, hence he was never awol. You

again.

AGAIN you misrepresent the forms.

Again you are a lying sack of garbage.

And if anyone tries to say that - by some strange coincidence - both
the Alabama records and the Texas records have - oh, gee whiz! - come
up missing, that, to me, sends red flags waving.

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:41:28 -0500, james wrote
(in article <s6YKc.3139$_K2.1469@lakeread02>):

In article <q9vnf0t2ndei2c67neuiac7irg1vl30u61@4ax.com>,
Scott in Florida <Scott in Florida> wrote:

Do you have proof of your employment 30 years ago?

If you're seeking veteran's benefits for serving in Vietnam, for
instance, you'd damn well better have proof, if your status as a veteran
is ever challenged. I expect that discharge papers are all that would
be required though.

What was recommended back yonder (still is?) was taking a notarized
copy of "discharge papers", the DD214, to one's local court house and,
if a notarized copy is ever needed, ya can go to the courthouse and get
a copy (here it's 'bout the only thing for which there's no charge
<grin>).

The other thing is to do a Request on Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)
on the "public part" of the veteran's personnel file. [I have never
seen one of these so I don't know for sure what it contains. My guess
is awards and decorations, assignments and promotion info; I can't
think of anything else that John and Jane Q Public has the "legaility"
to know.]

Of course if one has his/her own records, I guess one could make all of
them public as long as there wasn't any "private" information on other
people (such as the SSN of someone who had given the GI an evaluation
report and I wouldn't publish the raters' names either).

So it stands with Bush. The charge that's been
suggested is that his discharge is improper because it did not take into
account certain facts about his service, and there are at least 2
different theories about this. But nobody making the claims really has
evidence, nor do they make clear what needs to be done about it.

Complete records - if they're indicative of honorable service - should
be made available (with those concerns for other people's privacy part
of the release).

I haven't been following this issue closely but the Texas Air Guard and
the Alabama Guard should both have records on Lieutenant George W Bush.


National Guard units - especially at the "fulltime level" - are
actually quite careful with people's records and you can take it to a
Texas Savings & Loan that anyone using the Guard to keep from serving
on active duty is gonna have whatever it takes, himself.

If there are large segments of LT Bush's military history missing - and
remember that he "jumped" thousands (I think it was) - of people to get
one of the "precious safe" Guard slots. There can be no way that
"higher-ups" didn't know exactly who and what LT George W Bush was.

And if anyone tries to say that - by some strange coincidence - both
the Alabama records and the Texas records have - oh, gee whiz! - come
up missing, that, to me, sends red flags waving.

A flyer is going to /always/ know his mechanic and his mechanic's
supervisor and the maint officer and - forty years later - a sizeable
majority of the people in a military unit where someone was at drills
for 48 weekends and 8 weeks of summer training will be able to recall
about 50% of the people in the unit at the drop of a name.

And about the same for that person at 24 weekends and 4 weeks of
training.

And if someone was excused from meetings (and made them up later),
there's going to be more paperwork available than on someone who is at
every drill and every training.


Remember all those "required briefings" where everybody is all together
for security briefings ("SAEDAAF") and safety briefings and drunk
driving classes and NBC and this briefing and that briefing?


At least with LT Bush, there is no controversy over what he did with
the medals he earned in VietNam.


++ Gray //