God is Redeemer <kand...@hotmail.com>

Typically, I try to avoid using the terms of other religions, so this
is out of character for me. However, I was reading this very
intriguing article in Christianity Today about a Christian multi-
national business man and politician, who was born a Hindu but became
a Christian. His terminology for the process of salvation might reach
those of that heritage, if the message is put in a way that they can
understand.

According to Ram Gidoomal, it is important for Hindus and those of
Indian heritage to hear that Christ died for our Karma, since they use
Karma in the same way Christians use "sin."

There are two of his quotes that I found to be the most impactive.
I'm not sure I totally understand the terms, so I don't endorse,
necessarily, his words. However, I thought they deserved discussion
online.

1. First, he says, "Not only is he a sanatan (eternal) sat guru (true
living way - John 14:6), he paid for karma. He paid our karmic debt."

2. Then...and this is the one I'm most concerned I don't know the
terms enough on...he said, "...Jesus as the bodhisattva who fulfilled
his dharma to pay for my karma to negate samsara and achieve nirvana!"

Anyone?

Um, pretty standard stuff if you've read much at all about
Buddhism (which grew out of Hinduism). What's your question,
exactly?

(um, you DO now that escaping samsara and achieving nirvina --
maybe better said the outher way around, actually -- means something
quite a bit different from the Christian concept of heaven, yes?)

-- cary

God is Redeemer wrote:

Typically, I try to avoid using the terms of other religions, so this
is out of character for me. However, I was reading this very
intriguing article in Christianity Today about a Christian multi-
national business man and politician, who was born a Hindu but became
a Christian. His terminology for the process of salvation might reach
those of that heritage, if the message is put in a way that they can
understand.

According to Ram Gidoomal, it is important for Hindus and those of
Indian heritage to hear that Christ died for our Karma, since they use
Karma in the same way Christians use "sin."

There are two of his quotes that I found to be the most impactive.
I'm not sure I totally understand the terms, so I don't endorse,
necessarily, his words. However, I thought they deserved discussion
online.

1. First, he says, "Not only is he a sanatan (eternal) sat guru (true
living way - John 14:6), he paid for karma. He paid our karmic debt."

2. Then...and this is the one I'm most concerned I don't know the
terms enough on...he said, "...Jesus as the bodhisattva who fulfilled
his dharma to pay for my karma to negate samsara and achieve nirvana!"

Anyone?

Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com

Sensi:
Jesus is the Enlightened God the One who realized Total
Compassion thus fulfilled His Divine Mission
to pay for the consequences of our sins and
so negate the cycle of death, that I may experience
*Eternal Happiness and Bliss* in the Company of the Godhead.
I've found that when we run with forgiveness as our banner
of God's truth there is no need to argue, fight or create
division.

On 30 May 2007 17:41:22 -0700, God is Redeemer <kands00@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Typically, I try to avoid using the terms of other religions, so this
is out of character for me. However, I was reading this very
intriguing article in Christianity Today about a Christian multi-
national business man and politician, who was born a Hindu but became
a Christian. His terminology for the process of salvation might reach
those of that heritage, if the message is put in a way that they can
understand.

According to Ram Gidoomal, it is important for Hindus and those of
Indian heritage to hear that Christ died for our Karma, since they use
Karma in the same way Christians use "sin."

There are two of his quotes that I found to be the most impactive.
I'm not sure I totally understand the terms, so I don't endorse,
necessarily, his words. However, I thought they deserved discussion
online.

1. First, he says, "Not only is he a sanatan (eternal) sat guru (true
living way - John 14:6), he paid for karma. He paid our karmic debt."

2. Then...and this is the one I'm most concerned I don't know the
terms enough on...he said, "...Jesus as the bodhisattva who fulfilled
his dharma to pay for my karma to negate samsara and achieve nirvana!"

Anyone?

Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com

it's an interesting concept to bridge the intent of the language of
one dialect to another... in other words... when the Bible calls it
" sin " another dialect calls it " karma. "

when the Apostle Paul was on his missionary journeys as recorded in
Acts, as well as his writings, the language he used to explain the
gospel was Greek when speaking to Gentiles and Hebrew when speaking to
Jews. Greek was the business language used around the Mediterranean.

everybody spoke Greek. now, English is the business language of the
world. so how does one explain the Bible in English in order for the
non English speaking world to understand the gospel ?

for karma to be sin which separates a person from God ( Is. 59:2 )
karma must mean transgression of God's Law. if karma doesn't mean
exactly that then it's a different gospel and different gospels are
man's concoctions which do not have an efficacy to save.



" believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved "
Acts 16:31

" and as many as had been appointed to eternal life, believed."
Acts 13:48

it's an interesting concept to bridge the intent of the language of
one dialect to another... in other words... when the Bible calls it
" sin " another dialect calls it " karma. "

when the Apostle Paul was on his missionary journeys as recorded in
Acts, as well as his writings, the language he used to explain the
gospel was Greek when speaking to Gentiles and Hebrew when speaking to
Jews. Greek was the business language used around the Mediterranean.

everybody spoke Greek.