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"The Fool" |
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16 Dec 2005 09:58:34 AM |
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Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud |
A scientist that had claimed to have cloned a dog and a human embryo
has been proven to be forging evidence ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/ap_on_sc/stem_cell_accusations
Ken Clifton
christianjedi.com
christiancelebrity.com
somebodysaveme.com
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| User: "HotelCharlieOne" |
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| Title: Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud |
16 Dec 2005 10:18:56 AM |
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"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1134748714.101739.37170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
A scientist that had claimed to have cloned a dog and a human
embryo
has been proven to be forging evidence ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/ap_on_sc/stem_cell_accusations
Ken Clifton
christianjedi.com
christiancelebrity.com
somebodysaveme.com
Science exposes its charlatans, still waiting for religion to catch
up
Merry Christmas
Go in Peace
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| User: "The Fool" |
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| Title: Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud |
16 Dec 2005 10:25:38 AM |
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HotelCharlieOne wrote:
"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1134748714.101739.37170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
A scientist that had claimed to have cloned a dog and a human
embryo
has been proven to be forging evidence ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/ap_on_sc/stem_cell_accusations
Ken Clifton
christianjedi.com
christiancelebrity.com
somebodysaveme.com
Science exposes its charlatans, still waiting for religion to catch
up
Merry Christmas
Go in Peace
The key word in the subject line is proven. Science has yet to prove
there is no God, even though it concludes (unscientifically) that He
doesn't exist.
Ken Clifton
christianjedi.com
christiancelebrity.com
somebodysaveme.com
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| User: "HotelCharlieOne" |
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| Title: Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud |
16 Dec 2005 03:56:44 PM |
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"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1134750338.608118.13280@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
HotelCharlieOne wrote:
"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1134748714.101739.37170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
A scientist that had claimed to have cloned a dog and a human
embryo
has been proven to be forging evidence ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/ap_on_sc/stem_cell_accusations
Ken Clifton
christianjedi.com christiancelebrity.com somebodysaveme.com
Science exposes its charlatans, still waiting for religion to
catch up
Merry Christmas
Go in Peace
The key word in the subject line is proven. Science has yet to
prove
there is no God, even though it concludes (unscientifically) that
He
doesn't exist.
Ken Clifton
christianjedi.com
christiancelebrity.com
somebodysaveme.com
Science has also yet to prove that there are no fifty foot long
purple worms with IQs of 1000 living on Mars. Does that mean we
should assume they exist anyway? Do you buy every piece of paper
titled "Deed to the Brooklyn Bridge"?
Can you cite the reference that concludes that God does not exist? As
a weak athiest / weak agnostic, a person who denies as a result of
lack of evidence, this could quite possibly tbe the evidence I need
to understand it all.
Merry Christmas
Go in Peace
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| User: "Krustys Mom" |
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| Title: Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud |
16 Dec 2005 03:41:41 PM |
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"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134750338.608118.13280@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
HotelCharlieOne wrote:
"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1134748714.101739.37170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
A scientist that had claimed to have cloned a dog and a human
embryo
has been proven to be forging evidence ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/ap_on_sc/stem_cell_accusations
Ken Clifton
christianjedi.com
christiancelebrity.com
somebodysaveme.com
Science exposes its charlatans, still waiting for religion to catch
up
Merry Christmas
Go in Peace
The key word in the subject line is proven. Science has yet to prove
there is no God, even though it concludes (unscientifically) that He
doesn't exist.
Nice strawman, but he said nothing of God (nor did the subject).
His comparison of accountability was between scientists and religionists. I
think the scientists won. That was his point.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud |
16 Dec 2005 04:31:24 PM |
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"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
The key word in the subject line is proven. Science has yet to prove
there is no God, even though it concludes (unscientifically) that He
doesn't exist.
Science makes no such conclusion, and is utterly silent on the
existence of God, which/who is by definition irrelevant to science.
lojbab
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud |
16 Dec 2005 12:02:33 PM |
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In article <1134750338.608118.13280@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
HotelCharlieOne wrote:
"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1134748714.101739.37170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
A scientist that had claimed to have cloned a dog and a human
embryo
has been proven to be forging evidence ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/ap_on_sc/stem_cell_accusations
Ken Clifton
christianjedi.com
christiancelebrity.com
somebodysaveme.com
Science exposes its charlatans, still waiting for religion to catch
up
Merry Christmas
Go in Peace
The key word in the subject line is proven. Science has yet to prove
there is no God, even though it concludes (unscientifically) that He
doesn't exist.
"It" does? Which "it" do you have in mind here? "Science" makes
no claims about the existence of God whatsoever. It's not a part
of the gig.
Some religous fundamentalists, and not just Christian ones, find
science a threat because it brings into serious question some
factual claims made by those who take their scriptures literally.
Others believers do not -- about half of all practicing scientists
express spiritual beliefs, so a claim like "science concludes
there is no god" shows the the claimee might want to learn
a bit about what science does and what science does not do.
-- cary
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| User: "toto" |
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| Title: Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud |
16 Dec 2005 10:54:53 AM |
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On 16 Dec 2005 08:25:38 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
Science has yet to prove
there is no God, even though it concludes (unscientifically) that He
doesn't exist.
Science has nothing to say about whether or not God exists.
And science is not trying to prove anything about God either
way, since God cannot be scientifically falsified.
--
Dorothy
There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
The Outer Limits
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| User: "Peter Principle petesfeats@CUT IT OUThotmail.com" |
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| Title: Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud |
16 Dec 2005 04:49:10 PM |
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X-No-archive: yes
The Fool wrote:
The key word in the subject line is proven. Science has yet to prove
there is no God, even though it concludes (unscientifically) that He
doesn't exist.
Uh huh. Sure. Whatever you say, fool...
That being the case, you should have no problem whatsoever producing a
citation to "science" concluding there is no God, unless you're just another
stupid, lying, superstitious, hypocritical jackass farting asinine *****
about that which you know absolutely nothing and that you can't even begin
to back up, that is. Well?
Begin, fool...
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.phule.net/mirrors/unskilled-and-unaware.html
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
ABSTRACT:
....the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on
tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th
percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud |
16 Dec 2005 11:57:45 AM |
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In article <1134748714.101739.37170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
A scientist that had claimed to have cloned a dog and a human embryo
has been proven to be forging evidence ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/ap_on_sc/stem_cell_accusations
Yeppers, and that's exactly the way it works. You do something
revolutionary in science; nobody signs on til a number of
other researchers are able to repeat what you claim to
have done. And in this case it didn't even get
that far: other researchers merely looking at some
data in the original claim spotted serious problems.
Not the first time, won't be the last. This is
why science works as well as it does.
-- cary
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud [apocryphal] |
16 Dec 2005 02:02:08 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:57:45 -0600, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1134748714.101739.37170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "The Fool"
<kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
A scientist that had claimed to have cloned a dog and a human embryo
has been proven to be forging evidence ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/ap_on_sc/stem_cell_accusations
Yeppers, and that's exactly the way it works. You do something
revolutionary in science; nobody signs on til a number of
other researchers are able to repeat what you claim to
have done. And in this case it didn't even get
that far: other researchers merely looking at some
data in the original claim spotted serious problems.
Not the first time, won't be the last. This is
why science works as well as it does.
-- cary
"And yet it moves".
++ gray
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud [apocryphal] |
16 Dec 2005 03:31:47 PM |
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In article <0001HW.BFC8796000218B88F0284550@news.giganews.com> writes:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:57:45 -0600, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1134748714.101739.37170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "The Fool"
<kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
A scientist that had claimed to have cloned a dog and a human embryo
has been proven to be forging evidence ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/ap_on_sc/stem_cell_accusations
Yeppers, and that's exactly the way it works. You do something
revolutionary in science; nobody signs on til a number of
other researchers are able to repeat what you claim to
have done. And in this case it didn't even get
that far: other researchers merely looking at some
data in the original claim spotted serious problems.
Not the first time, won't be the last. This is
why science works as well as it does.
-- cary
"And yet it moves".
Well..according to Bertolt Brecht, anyhow.
-- cary
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud [apocryphal] |
16 Dec 2005 05:11:36 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:31:47 -0600, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <0001HW.BFC8796000218B88F0284550@news.giganews.com>
grayshockley@gmail.com writes:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:57:45 -0600, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1134748714.101739.37170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "The
Fool"
<kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
A scientist that had claimed to have cloned a dog and a human embryo
has been proven to be forging evidence ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/ap_on_sc/stem_cell_accusations
Yeppers, and that's exactly the way it works. You do something
revolutionary in science; nobody signs on til a number of
other researchers are able to repeat what you claim to
have done. And in this case it didn't even get
that far: other researchers merely looking at some
data in the original claim spotted serious problems.
Not the first time, won't be the last. This is
why science works as well as it does.
-- cary
"And yet it moves".
Well..according to Bertolt Brecht, anyhow.
-- cary
And, very specificaly, /not/ Galileo Galilei, who was said to have
muttered the four words at his but probably didn't which is why,
tacked onto the SUBJect - "Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud
[apocryphal]" was tacked.
So to speak Or write. Or sing. In "three part harmony". But the
massacre - really - was Thanksgiving to the AmerInds rather than a
topic of the upcoming "end of calendar year/beginning of calendar
year" holiday season.
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A few copies were circulated, and then the printer received an
instruction to halt all further printing or sale of the book.
Galileo was to appear before the Inquisition in October. Galileo
was not well enough to travel, but the Pope insisted he make the
journey.
The result of the trial was, of course, never in doubt. The Vatican
showed that Galileo was 'suspect of heresy' having held a view that
went against holy scripture. His specific crime was believing that
'the Sun is the centre of the world and does not move from east to
west'. He was sentenced to life imprisonment, though this was
reduced to permanent house-arrest at his villa in Arcetri. Perhaps
worse Galileo was forced to Abjure, in other words to confess his
views and to condemn them:
continued at:
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/galilei_galileo.shtm
l>
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Gray Shockley
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Yellow Bushie, Yellow Bushie;
You're lying through your tushie.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud [apocryphal] |
16 Dec 2005 05:38:21 PM |
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In article <0001HW.BFC8A5C8002BF3DCF0284550@news.giganews.com> writes:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:31:47 -0600, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <0001HW.BFC8796000218B88F0284550@news.giganews.com>
writes:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:57:45 -0600, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1134748714.101739.37170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "The
Fool"
<kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
A scientist that had claimed to have cloned a dog and a human embryo
has been proven to be forging evidence ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/ap_on_sc/stem_cell_accusations
Yeppers, and that's exactly the way it works. You do something
revolutionary in science; nobody signs on til a number of
other researchers are able to repeat what you claim to
have done. And in this case it didn't even get
that far: other researchers merely looking at some
data in the original claim spotted serious problems.
Not the first time, won't be the last. This is
why science works as well as it does.
-- cary
"And yet it moves".
Well..according to Bertolt Brecht, anyhow.
-- cary
And, very specificaly, /not/ Galileo Galilei, who was said to have
muttered the four words at his but probably didn't which is why,
tacked onto the SUBJect - "Re: Cloning Scientist Proven a Fraud
[apocryphal]" was tacked.
Oh. Yeah. That.
So to speak Or write. Or sing. In "three part harmony".
Yeah, Ella did a lot better with "Mack the Knife" than
she ever could have done with "Gal the Heretic". Or
"Bruno the Cinder".
But the
massacre - really - was Thanksgiving to the AmerInds rather than a
topic of the upcoming "end of calendar year/beginning of calendar
year" holiday season.
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A few copies were circulated, and then the printer received an
instruction to halt all further printing or sale of the book.
Galileo was to appear before the Inquisition in October. Galileo
was not well enough to travel, but the Pope insisted he make the
journey.
The result of the trial was, of course, never in doubt. The Vatican
showed that Galileo was 'suspect of heresy' having held a view that
went against holy scripture. His specific crime was believing that
'the Sun is the centre of the world and does not move from east to
west'. He was sentenced to life imprisonment, though this was
reduced to permanent house-arrest at his villa in Arcetri. Perhaps
worse Galileo was forced to Abjure, in other words to confess his
views and to condemn them:
continued at:
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/galilei_galileo.shtml>
Boy, that's pretty heart-wrenching.
Although something I once read elsewhere, Scientific American I believe,
left me with the impression that it was not so much that the
Church believed Galileo to be wrong -- the current pope
had been a big fan, back in the day -- but that Galileo
blindsided the Pope, who thought that they had an
understanding regarding ixnay on ethay unsay
just right now, the Church having enough
on its plate, what with that Reformation
thingie.
-- cary
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