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better it will be. Non-Christians are tolerated but if they become to
much trouble they better watch out.

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Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
By Steve Brown
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
August 14, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display

of
a

Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building. Indiana
Republican Rep. John Hostettler's amendment to a House-passed

appropriations

bill would cut federal funds used to enforce a federal court order to

remove

the monument.

What a really stupid idea.

Enforcing court orders and respecting court orders should be paramount.

Not when the court order is legislation from the bench.

America is a Christian nation and as soon as every one realizes it the
better it will be. Non-Christians are tolerated but if they become to
much trouble they better watch out.

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Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
By Steve Brown
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
August 14, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display

of a

Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is ridiculous.
In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten

Commandments.

That is because the secular humanists in those countries are not so active
in their war against the religious.

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Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
By Steve Brown
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
August 14, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display

of a

Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is ridiculous.
In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten Commandments.

That is because the secular humanists in those countries are not so active
in their war against the religious.
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Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
By Steve Brown
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
August 14, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display

of a

Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is ridiculous.
In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten

Commandments.

That is because the secular humanists in those countries are not so active
in their war against the religious.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Indiana Republican Rep. John Hostettler's amendment to a House-passed

appropriations

bill would cut federal funds used to enforce a federal court order to

remove

the monument. The Senate has yet to pass its version of the

appropriations

bill.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on July 1 upheld a lower court

ruling

and ordered Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore to remove the
5,280-pound sculpture from the building's rotunda by Aug. 20. Moore had
ordered the monument erected in the first place.

Hostettler is hoping his amendment to the Commerce, Justice, State and

the

Judiciary appropriations bill, which the House passed 260-161 on July 23,
will prevent the monument from being moved. Hostettler, in a release,

noted

that the U.S. Marshals Service executes and enforces all lawful orders of
U.S. district courts, and as a component of the Justice Department, is
funded by the appropriations bill he amended.

"In Glassroth v. Moore, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the
Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore violated the Establishment
Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution by placing a granite
monument of the Ten Commandments in the rotunda of the Alabama State
judicial building in Montgomery, Ala.," Hostettler said on the House

floor

July 22.

"As Hamilton pointed out (in Federalist 78), the legislative branch

controls

the purse-strings of this government. When the legislative branch

believes

the judicial branch to be in error, the Congress may refuse to fund

actions

to enforce the court's judgment by the executive branch agency that would
execute those judgments," Hostettler added.

The circuit court order, which was the subject of CNSNews.com reports on
Aug. 6 and Aug. 7, has many other critics besides Hostettler.

"It's just madness," Walter Berns, resident scholar at the American
Enterprise Institute, told CNSNews.com, emphasizing however that while he
disagreed with the court decision on removing the sculpture, he did not
favor the appropriations process as the proper means to block the

removal.

"Maybe the Senate will put an end to it," Berns added.

Rob Boston, assistant director of communications for Americans United for
Separation of Church and State, said Hostettler's efforts show disrespect
for the Constitution.

"Whether members of Congress like it or not, they must accept the fact

that

they do not have the power to overturn judicial rulings through

legislation,

and that's really what this is an attempt to do," Boston told

CNSNews.com.

Yet Alan Keyes, a former Republican presidential candidate in 2000 who

will

be attending a rally in Montgomery, Ala., Saturday opposing the

sculpture's

removal, saw no problem with the legislation.

"I think that's one step that would certainly be useful," Keyes told
CNSNews.com. "I think that what we're dealing with here is a clear abuse

of

judicial power to destroy one of the most fundamental rights of our
citizenship. It's actually part of a long train of abuse by the courts in
which they have willfully distorted the real meaning of the First

Amendment

to the Constitution in order to destroy the very right that amendment is
meant to guarantee."

Critics of Hostettler's amendment said it would only embolden Senate
Democrats who are conducting a filibuster of President Bush's choice to

fill

a vacancy on the 11th Circuit Court, the same court that ordered the

removal

of the Ten Commandments sculpture. Bush's nominee, conservative Alabama
Attorney General William Pryor, would actually be compelled to enforce

the

court order to remove the sculpture.

"Certainly, if Pryor failed to obey the court order to remove the Ten
Commandments sculpture, that would be further evidence of his unfitness

for

the bench," Louis Bograd, legal director of the Alliance for Justice,

told

reporters.

Berns said he did not see how the amendment to the spending bill could
greatly affect Pryor's nomination.

"There seems to be little prospect of his ever being confirmed by the

Senate

anyway," Berns explained.

When asked recently by FOX News Channel talk show host Sean Hannity if he
would remove the sculpture, Moore initially answered "No" but later

backed

off slightly.

Moore has scheduled a Thursday afternoon press conference at the Alabama
Supreme Court to announce whether he will obey the court order to remove

the

sculpture. In the court order, U.S. District Court Judge Myron Thompson

said

fines up to $5,000 per day could be levied against Moore, "and thus the
state of Alabama itself, until the monument is removed."

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200308/CUL20030814a.html
Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
By Steve Brown
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
August 14, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display of a
Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is ridiculous.
In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten Commandments.


Those other Christian countries learned the hard way, long ago.
They had their bloody wars over Christianity and they want to put that sort of thing behind them.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Indiana Republican Rep. John Hostettler's amendment to a House-passed appropriations
bill would cut federal funds used to enforce a federal court order to remove
the monument. The Senate has yet to pass its version of the appropriations
bill.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on July 1 upheld a lower court ruling
and ordered Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore to remove the
5,280-pound sculpture from the building's rotunda by Aug. 20. Moore had
ordered the monument erected in the first place.

Hostettler is hoping his amendment to the Commerce, Justice, State and the
Judiciary appropriations bill, which the House passed 260-161 on July 23,
will prevent the monument from being moved. Hostettler, in a release, noted
that the U.S. Marshals Service executes and enforces all lawful orders of
U.S. district courts, and as a component of the Justice Department, is
funded by the appropriations bill he amended.

"In Glassroth v. Moore, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the
Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore violated the Establishment
Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution by placing a granite
monument of the Ten Commandments in the rotunda of the Alabama State
judicial building in Montgomery, Ala.," Hostettler said on the House floor
July 22.

"As Hamilton pointed out (in Federalist 78), the legislative branch controls
the purse-strings of this government. When the legislative branch believes
the judicial branch to be in error, the Congress may refuse to fund actions
to enforce the court's judgment by the executive branch agency that would
execute those judgments," Hostettler added.

The circuit court order, which was the subject of CNSNews.com reports on
Aug. 6 and Aug. 7, has many other critics besides Hostettler.

"It's just madness," Walter Berns, resident scholar at the American
Enterprise Institute, told CNSNews.com, emphasizing however that while he
disagreed with the court decision on removing the sculpture, he did not
favor the appropriations process as the proper means to block the removal.

"Maybe the Senate will put an end to it," Berns added.

Rob Boston, assistant director of communications for Americans United for
Separation of Church and State, said Hostettler's efforts show disrespect
for the Constitution.

"Whether members of Congress like it or not, they must accept the fact that
they do not have the power to overturn judicial rulings through legislation,
and that's really what this is an attempt to do," Boston told CNSNews.com.

Yet Alan Keyes, a former Republican presidential candidate in 2000 who will
be attending a rally in Montgomery, Ala., Saturday opposing the sculpture's
removal, saw no problem with the legislation.

"I think that's one step that would certainly be useful," Keyes told
CNSNews.com. "I think that what we're dealing with here is a clear abuse of
judicial power to destroy one of the most fundamental rights of our
citizenship. It's actually part of a long train of abuse by the courts in
which they have willfully distorted the real meaning of the First Amendment
to the Constitution in order to destroy the very right that amendment is
meant to guarantee."

Critics of Hostettler's amendment said it would only embolden Senate
Democrats who are conducting a filibuster of President Bush's choice to fill
a vacancy on the 11th Circuit Court, the same court that ordered the removal
of the Ten Commandments sculpture. Bush's nominee, conservative Alabama
Attorney General William Pryor, would actually be compelled to enforce the
court order to remove the sculpture.

"Certainly, if Pryor failed to obey the court order to remove the Ten
Commandments sculpture, that would be further evidence of his unfitness for
the bench," Louis Bograd, legal director of the Alliance for Justice, told
reporters.

Berns said he did not see how the amendment to the spending bill could
greatly affect Pryor's nomination.

"There seems to be little prospect of his ever being confirmed by the Senate
anyway," Berns explained.

When asked recently by FOX News Channel talk show host Sean Hannity if he
would remove the sculpture, Moore initially answered "No" but later backed
off slightly.

Moore has scheduled a Thursday afternoon press conference at the Alabama
Supreme Court to announce whether he will obey the court order to remove the
sculpture. In the court order, U.S. District Court Judge Myron Thompson said
fines up to $5,000 per day could be levied against Moore, "and thus the
state of Alabama itself, until the monument is removed."

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200308/CUL20030814a.html
Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
By Steve Brown
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
August 14, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display of a
Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is ridiculous.
In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten Commandments.


Those other Christian countries learned the hard way, long ago.
They had their bloody wars over Christianity and they want to put that sort of thing behind them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Indiana Republican Rep. John Hostettler's amendment to a House-passed appropriations
bill would cut federal funds used to enforce a federal court order to remove
the monument. The Senate has yet to pass its version of the appropriations
bill.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on July 1 upheld a lower court ruling
and ordered Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore to remove the
5,280-pound sculpture from the building's rotunda by Aug. 20. Moore had
ordered the monument erected in the first place.

Hostettler is hoping his amendment to the Commerce, Justice, State and the
Judiciary appropriations bill, which the House passed 260-161 on July 23,
will prevent the monument from being moved. Hostettler, in a release, noted
that the U.S. Marshals Service executes and enforces all lawful orders of
U.S. district courts, and as a component of the Justice Department, is
funded by the appropriations bill he amended.

"In Glassroth v. Moore, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the
Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore violated the Establishment
Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution by placing a granite
monument of the Ten Commandments in the rotunda of the Alabama State
judicial building in Montgomery, Ala.," Hostettler said on the House floor
July 22.

"As Hamilton pointed out (in Federalist 78), the legislative branch controls
the purse-strings of this government. When the legislative branch believes
the judicial branch to be in error, the Congress may refuse to fund actions
to enforce the court's judgment by the executive branch agency that would
execute those judgments," Hostettler added.

The circuit court order, which was the subject of CNSNews.com reports on
Aug. 6 and Aug. 7, has many other critics besides Hostettler.

"It's just madness," Walter Berns, resident scholar at the American
Enterprise Institute, told CNSNews.com, emphasizing however that while he
disagreed with the court decision on removing the sculpture, he did not
favor the appropriations process as the proper means to block the removal.

"Maybe the Senate will put an end to it," Berns added.

Rob Boston, assistant director of communications for Americans United for
Separation of Church and State, said Hostettler's efforts show disrespect
for the Constitution.

"Whether members of Congress like it or not, they must accept the fact that
they do not have the power to overturn judicial rulings through legislation,
and that's really what this is an attempt to do," Boston told CNSNews.com.

Yet Alan Keyes, a former Republican presidential candidate in 2000 who will
be attending a rally in Montgomery, Ala., Saturday opposing the sculpture's
removal, saw no problem with the legislation.

"I think that's one step that would certainly be useful," Keyes told
CNSNews.com. "I think that what we're dealing with here is a clear abuse of
judicial power to destroy one of the most fundamental rights of our
citizenship. It's actually part of a long train of abuse by the courts in
which they have willfully distorted the real meaning of the First Amendment
to the Constitution in order to destroy the very right that amendment is
meant to guarantee."

Critics of Hostettler's amendment said it would only embolden Senate
Democrats who are conducting a filibuster of President Bush's choice to fill
a vacancy on the 11th Circuit Court, the same court that ordered the removal
of the Ten Commandments sculpture. Bush's nominee, conservative Alabama
Attorney General William Pryor, would actually be compelled to enforce the
court order to remove the sculpture.

"Certainly, if Pryor failed to obey the court order to remove the Ten
Commandments sculpture, that would be further evidence of his unfitness for
the bench," Louis Bograd, legal director of the Alliance for Justice, told
reporters.

Berns said he did not see how the amendment to the spending bill could
greatly affect Pryor's nomination.

"There seems to be little prospect of his ever being confirmed by the Senate
anyway," Berns explained.

When asked recently by FOX News Channel talk show host Sean Hannity if he
would remove the sculpture, Moore initially answered "No" but later backed
off slightly.

Moore has scheduled a Thursday afternoon press conference at the Alabama
Supreme Court to announce whether he will obey the court order to remove the
sculpture. In the court order, U.S. District Court Judge Myron Thompson said
fines up to $5,000 per day could be levied against Moore, "and thus the
state of Alabama itself, until the monument is removed."