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"The Fool" |
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14 Nov 2005 02:15:48 PM |
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Do We Believe in Freedom or NOT? |
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
What happened to freedom?
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "host" |
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| Title: Re: Do We Believe in Freedom or NOT? |
17 Nov 2005 02:47:02 PM |
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"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131999348.855895.57040@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
What happened to freedom?
Freedom is a catch-phrase.
Why do we need freedom?
Freedom to lie, steal, cheat, murder, fornicate, rape, and hate?
Satanists throw that "freedom" word around because it keeps their ways safe,
and our ways compromised.
They convince the meek that freedom is good for them, while they rape and
pillage.
Freedom is what the animals of the Earth have.
We are not animals, we are Human Beings.
Human Beings don't need freedom, they need laws.
True freedom amswers to NOONE!
The truly free are not accountable because they have no restrictions, no
conscience, no morals, no compassion, no remorse.
The free just do as they please...because they are animals.
Freedom?
Screw freedom...
Host.
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| User: "Nog" |
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| Title: Re: Do We Believe in Freedom or NOT? |
14 Nov 2005 07:53:41 PM |
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"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131999348.855895.57040@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
What happened to freedom?
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
Why don't you spend more time in your fucking church where all believe like
you.
Why punish yourself being among people who hate your beliefs?
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: Do We Believe in Freedom or NOT? |
14 Nov 2005 09:43:29 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:53:41 GMT, "Nog" <q3wtxv48o@verizon.net> wrote:
"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131999348.855895.57040@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
What happened to freedom?
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
Why don't you spend more time in your fucking church where all believe like
you.
Why punish yourself being among people who hate your beliefs?
Strange. You seem to have the ability to perceive hate where is none.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Do We Believe in Freedom or NOT? |
14 Nov 2005 09:34:08 PM |
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What happened to freedom?
YOUR God doesn't believe in it...do what He says, or he won't hand
out the money blessings.
Paul
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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| Title: Re: Do We Believe in Freedom or NOT? |
20 Nov 2005 12:13:40 AM |
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Reply to article by: "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com>
Date written: 14 Nov 2005 12:15:48 -0800
MsgID:<1131999348.855895.57040@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
What happened to freedom?
True freedom is called anarchy. The more immoral people are, the more freedom
restricting laws have to be instituted to keep them from being immoral. Maybe if
Christians would stop their in-your-face tactics, the government wouldn't have
to create so many anti-in-your-face laws.
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"Careful when you cast your devil out of you lest you cast
out the best thing in you." -Nietzsche
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: Do We Believe in Freedom or NOT? |
14 Nov 2005 02:25:04 PM |
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On 14 Nov 2005 12:15:48 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
What happened to freedom?
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
I say you can't be a follower of Christ unless you give up politics
for Christ's sake.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Do We Believe in Freedom or NOT? |
15 Nov 2005 01:12:28 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:15:48 -0600, The Fool wrote:
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
What happened to freedom?
Organized religion tries to suppress and/or destroy it.
Are you a neo-darkager?
Gray Shockley
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When all you've got is a hammer,
everything else looks like a nail.
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "" |
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14 Nov 2005 03:57:21 PM |
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The Fool wrote:
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
Actually, it's "You can be a judge, as long as you actually
read the law." Nice try, though.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
You can't talk about God in a science class.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
Actually, that was more because it was antisemitic.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
Actually, there's no problem with protests. As long as you
don't bomb someone.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
Actually, it's "You can have freedom of the press, unless you argue
Clinton killed two kids WITH A TRAIN."
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
And I'd consider "Vote for this guy or go to hell" a form of theocratic
despotism.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
Actually, the Ten Commandments display was originally a promo for
the movie.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
Notice the pro-lifers who bomb abortion clinics.
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| User: "The Fool" |
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14 Nov 2005 04:01:48 PM |
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wrote:
The Fool wrote:
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
Actually, it's "You can be a judge, as long as you actually
read the law." Nice try, though.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
You can't talk about God in a science class.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
Actually, that was more because it was antisemitic.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
Actually, there's no problem with protests. As long as you
don't bomb someone.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
Actually, it's "You can have freedom of the press, unless you argue
Clinton killed two kids WITH A TRAIN."
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
And I'd consider "Vote for this guy or go to hell" a form of theocratic
despotism.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
Actually, the Ten Commandments display was originally a promo for
the movie.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
Notice the pro-lifers who bomb abortion clinics.
Exactly. If freedom doesn't exist for everyone, it exists for no one.
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "Dave Thompson" |
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| Title: Re: Do We Believe in Freedom or NOT? |
14 Nov 2005 04:54:24 PM |
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"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132005708.205868.155270@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
man_in_black529@yahoo.com wrote:
The Fool wrote:
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
Actually, it's "You can be a judge, as long as you actually
read the law." Nice try, though.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
You can't talk about God in a science class.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
Actually, that was more because it was antisemitic.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
Actually, there's no problem with protests. As long as you
don't bomb someone.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
Actually, it's "You can have freedom of the press, unless you argue
Clinton killed two kids WITH A TRAIN."
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
And I'd consider "Vote for this guy or go to hell" a form of theocratic
despotism.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
Actually, the Ten Commandments display was originally a promo for
the movie.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
Notice the pro-lifers who bomb abortion clinics.
Exactly. If freedom doesn't exist for everyone, it exists for no one.
Thanks for endorsing secularism.
You have seen the light. Now go home.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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15 Nov 2005 05:53:42 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:01:48 -0600, The Fool
wrote
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man_in_black529@yahoo.com wrote:
The Fool wrote:
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
Actually, it's "You can be a judge, as long as you actually
read the law." Nice try, though.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
You can't talk about God in a science class.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
Actually, that was more because it was antisemitic.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
Actually, there's no problem with protests. As long as you
don't bomb someone.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
Actually, it's "You can have freedom of the press, unless you argue
Clinton killed two kids WITH A TRAIN."
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
And I'd consider "Vote for this guy or go to hell" a form of theocratic
despotism.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
Actually, the Ten Commandments display was originally a promo for
the movie.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
Notice the pro-lifers who bomb abortion clinics.
Exactly. If freedom doesn't exist for everyone, it exists for no one.
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
So the United States of America, in the 18th and
19th centuries, had no freedom.
Was the United States interchangeable with each
of the Axis Powers?
Were the "Free French" underground (see Camus,
Albert) interchangeable with their neighbors to
their east?
Was "The Rape of Nanjing" okay since - in both
China and in Japan - freedom didn't exist for
everyone?
Are you justifying genocide because "freedom
doesn't exist for everyone"?
Was Salem Village okay because if freedom
"doesn't exist for everyone, it exists for no
one".
Were the Inquisitions okay because of the lack of
freedom among the peasantry and the "common
people", i.e., not the Christian Church's
hierarchy?
Should a beginning be forbidden because it is not
the ending?
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If you're eligible to use the Veterans'
Administration {VA} medical facilities for health
care, you need to get to one and request help
before you "crash and burn".
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If you think you're just in peachy-keen and nifty
mental health, continue your present wackiness
and, when you're placed in a public hospital,
you'll wish you were being treated by VA.
Gray Shockley
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If you're not busy being
born,You're busy dying.
- Robert Zimmerman
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| User: "" |
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14 Nov 2005 04:05:08 PM |
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The Fool wrote:
Exactly. If freedom doesn't exist for everyone, it exists for no one.
No, it's called being rational. I know your kind, and
their idea of protest involves killing people.
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| User: "The Fool" |
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14 Nov 2005 04:08:23 PM |
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wrote:
The Fool wrote:
Exactly. If freedom doesn't exist for everyone, it exists for no one.
No, it's called being rational. I know your kind, and
their idea of protest involves killing people.
My kind? Wow. Censorship, prejudice, and libel at once. This is why
we have freedom, protection from the hatred and irrational fear of
others.
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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14 Nov 2005 09:37:11 PM |
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in article 1132005708.205868.155270@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, The Fool
at wrote on 11/14/05 5:01 PM:
man_in_black529@yahoo.com wrote:
The Fool wrote:
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
Actually, it's "You can be a judge, as long as you actually
read the law." Nice try, though.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
You can't talk about God in a science class.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
Actually, that was more because it was antisemitic.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
Actually, there's no problem with protests. As long as you
don't bomb someone.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
Actually, it's "You can have freedom of the press, unless you argue
Clinton killed two kids WITH A TRAIN."
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
And I'd consider "Vote for this guy or go to hell" a form of theocratic
despotism.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
Actually, the Ten Commandments display was originally a promo for
the movie.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
Notice the pro-lifers who bomb abortion clinics.
Exactly. If freedom doesn't exist for everyone, it exists for no one.
And that's FINE by you...mindlessly following God's marching orders
is the road to the big payday you call the greatest blessing.
Paul
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| User: "Lion Of Judah" |
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15 Nov 2005 11:09:57 AM |
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"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BF9EC217.1E085%p.duca@comcast.net...
in article 1132005708.205868.155270@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, The Fool
at wrote on 11/14/05 5:01 PM:
man_in_black529@yahoo.com wrote:
The Fool wrote:
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
Actually, it's "You can be a judge, as long as you actually
read the law." Nice try, though.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
You can't talk about God in a science class.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
Actually, that was more because it was antisemitic.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
Actually, there's no problem with protests. As long as you
don't bomb someone.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
Actually, it's "You can have freedom of the press, unless you argue
Clinton killed two kids WITH A TRAIN."
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
And I'd consider "Vote for this guy or go to hell" a form of theocratic
despotism.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
Actually, the Ten Commandments display was originally a promo for
the movie.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
Notice the pro-lifers who bomb abortion clinics.
Exactly. If freedom doesn't exist for everyone, it exists for no one.
And that's FINE by you...mindlessly following God's marching orders
is the road to the big payday you call the greatest blessing.
Reminds me of this tradgedy...
Exodus:32:26: Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on
the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered
themselves together unto him.
27: And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man
his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the
camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every
man his neighbour.
28: And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there
fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
29: For Moses had said, Consecrate yourselves to day to the LORD, even every
man upon his son, and upon his brother; that he may bestow upon you a
blessing this day.
--
The Old Serpent Chained
www.snipurl.com/i33b
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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15 Nov 2005 01:36:54 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:09:57 -0600, Lion Of Judah wrote:
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BF9EC217.1E085%p.duca@comcast.net...
in article 1132005708.205868.155270@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, The Fool
at wrote on 11/14/05 5:01 PM:
man_in_black529@yahoo.com wrote:
The Fool wrote:
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
Actually, it's "You can be a judge, as long as you actually
read the law." Nice try, though.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
You can't talk about God in a science class.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
Actually, that was more because it was antisemitic.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
Actually, there's no problem with protests. As long as you
don't bomb someone.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
Actually, it's "You can have freedom of the press, unless you argue
Clinton killed two kids WITH A TRAIN."
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
And I'd consider "Vote for this guy or go to hell" a form of theocratic
despotism.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
Actually, the Ten Commandments display was originally a promo for
the movie.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
Notice the pro-lifers who bomb abortion clinics.
Exactly. If freedom doesn't exist for everyone, it exists for no one.
And that's FINE by you...mindlessly following God's marching orders
is the road to the big payday you call the greatest blessing.
Reminds me of this tradgedy...
Exodus:32:26: Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on
the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered
themselves together unto him.
27: And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man
his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the
camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every
man his neighbour.
28: And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there
fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
Chicken feed [in more ways than one].
Hiroshima
Nagasaki
Berlin
St Petersburg
London
The AmerInds
slavery
Vichy
Gray Shockley
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Unless you have a really
good reason, it's just
/so/ tacky to kill folks.
29: For Moses had said, Consecrate yourselves to day to the LORD, even every
man upon his son, and upon his brother; that he may bestow upon you a
blessing this day.
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The Old Serpent Chained
www.snipurl.com/i33b
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| User: "Victoria Hirt" |
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15 Nov 2005 05:23:01 AM |
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The freedoms you are talking about has nothing to do with religion.
They are government granted freedoms. As such, the government giveth
and the government taketh away.
On 14 Nov 2005 12:15:48 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
What happened to freedom?
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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15 Nov 2005 06:05:05 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:23:01 GMT, Victoria Hirt
<Please@nospam.com> spake thusly:
On 14 Nov 2005 12:15:48 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
What happened to freedom?
The freedoms you are talking about has nothing to do with religion.
They are government granted freedoms. As such, the government
giveth and the government taketh away.
Top posting is rude. Your response has been moved.
They are not "government rights". This country was
founded on the idea that our rights are given to us by
our Creator. The whole concept was to deny that the
government has the power to take away our basic rights.
Or did you forget all about King George?
Freedom is not just a nice word. This country is about
freedom, not the lack of it, because those in power are
in a bad mood that day.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Preaching the truth of Scripture,
from Creation to Revelation!
http://home.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes,
But he who hates correction is stupid.
Go from the presence of a foolish man,
When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.
He who despises the word will be destroyed.
- Proverbs (assorted)
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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15 Nov 2005 01:16:58 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:05:05 -0600, Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:23:01 GMT, Victoria Hirt
<Please@nospam.com> spake thusly:
On 14 Nov 2005 12:15:48 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
What happened to freedom?
The freedoms you are talking about has nothing to do with religion.
They are government granted freedoms. As such, the government
giveth and the government taketh away.
Top posting is rude. Your response has been moved.
They are not "government rights". This country was
founded on the idea that our rights are given to us by
our Creator. The whole concept was to deny that the
government has the power to take away our basic rights.
Or did you forget all about King George?
Freedom is not just a nice word. This country is about
freedom, not the lack of it, because those in power are
in a bad mood that day.
Very nicely stated. Thank you.
Gray
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Do We Believe in Freedom or NOT? |
15 Nov 2005 09:48:44 AM |
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Pastor Dave <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com>
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:23:01 GMT, Victoria Hirt
<Please@nospam.com> spake thusly:
On 14 Nov 2005 12:15:48 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
What happened to freedom?
The freedoms you are talking about has nothing to do with religion.
They are government granted freedoms. As such, the government
giveth and the government taketh away.
Top posting is rude. Your response has been moved.
They are not "government rights". This country was
founded on the idea that our rights are given to us by
our Creator. The whole concept was to deny that the
government has the power to take away our basic rights.
Or did you forget all about King George?
Freedom is not just a nice word. This country is about
freedom, not the lack of it, because those in power are
in a bad mood that day.
And of course this concept of freedom and individuality
was historically grounded not in Christianity, which is about
complete subugation of one's will to that of God,
about the utter inability of man to overcome his sinful nature,
but in the thoroughly secular enlightenment, with
its vision of the perfectability of man.
Paul says that we are to go along with the King Georges
and with whomever else may be in power, as:
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities.
For there is no authority except from God, and the
authorities that exist are appointed by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the
ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring
judgment on themselves.
(Romans 13)
For all that they may have sprinkled their polemics
with politically-correct references to God,
the rebellious founders were entirely the children of the
Enlightenment, and not of the preceding two
millennia of Christianity, with its emphasis
on the total authority of the Pope and the
divine right of kings.
-- cary
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Do We Believe in Freedom or NOT? |
15 Nov 2005 11:19:54 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:48:44 -0600, Cary Kittrell wrote:
Pastor Dave <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com>
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:23:01 GMT, Victoria Hirt
<Please@nospam.com> spake thusly:
On 14 Nov 2005 12:15:48 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Left says...
-You can be a judge, unless you are against abortion.
-You can be a teacher, unless you talk about God.
-You can make a movie, unless it is about Jesus.
-You can protest in public, unless you are religious.
-You have the freedom of press, unless you attack a liberal.
-You can be a minister...just don't mention politics from the pulpit.
-You can put up monuments, so long as they don't refer to religion.
-You can assemble anywhere, so long as it's not in front of an abortion
clinic (note the lack of bans of pro-aborts from churches).
What happened to freedom?
The freedoms you are talking about has nothing to do with religion.
They are government granted freedoms. As such, the government
giveth and the government taketh away.
Top posting is rude. Your response has been moved.
They are not "government rights". This country was
founded on the idea that our rights are given to us by
our Creator. The whole concept was to deny that the
government has the power to take away our basic rights.
Or did you forget all about King George?
Freedom is not just a nice word. This country is about
freedom, not the lack of it, because those in power are
in a bad mood that day.
And of course this concept of freedom and individuality
was historically grounded not in Christianity, which is about
complete subugation of one's will to that of God,
about the utter inability of man to overcome his sinful nature,
but in the thoroughly secular enlightenment, with
its vision of the perfectability of man.
Paul says that we are to go along with the King Georges
and with whomever else may be in power, as:
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities.
For there is no authority except from God, and the
authorities that exist are appointed by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the
ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring
judgment on themselves.
(Romans 13)
For all that they may have sprinkled their polemics
with politically-correct references to God,
the rebellious founders were entirely the children of the
Enlightenment, and not of the preceding two
millennia of Christianity, with its emphasis
on the total authority of the Pope and the
divine right of kings.
-- cary
But, Darlink, the right was simply /so/ divine.
- JAG
JAG = Just Another Gabor
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