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"Dominic Torrazzi" |
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23 Mar 2006 03:02:12 PM |
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Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation as to why they
don't take their own bible as an authority for when life begins. You stick
to your guns that life begins at conception, but the bible says it doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh with its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the developing
blastocyst until the fifth week. This isn't something that is questionable,
it is a known quantity. So if literalists believe that the bible is
literally true they must not continue to insist that life begins at
conception. It begins at five weeks.
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to abortions
before the five week period.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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20 Apr 2006 09:04:50 AM |
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samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
When you raise your own kids, that is your choice
As a society we get choices too, hence no polygamy.
I suggest you check out rural Utah.
I suggest you keep up with the news.
I spend enough time off-roading and camping there to tell you that even
Colorado City (just over the border in AZ) is shut down with its
principles on the run.
All 60,000 of them?
http://www.absalom.com/mormon/polygamy/faq.htm
<How many Polygamists are there in Utah?
<
<About 60,000
<(5% of Utah Mormons)
<
<Why aren't all those polygamists jailed?
<
<A recent (1998) poll by the Salt Lake tribune found that 35% of Utah's
< population think that polygamists should not be prosecuted. Many of
< the folks in Utah are descendants of polygamists, and don't care to
< heap the same type of intolerant abuse on their neighbors that the
< early Mormon people were subjected to. In addition, the laws that
< were written against polygamy are basically laws against consensual
< sensuality, which cannot be prosecuted in today's legal climate.
And if they cannot be successfully prosecuted in Utah, why would they
run?
There are also a fair number outside of Utah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamous_Mormon_fundamentalists
lojbab
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| User: "samurai" |
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20 Apr 2006 11:26:04 AM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
When you raise your own kids, that is your choice
As a society we get choices too, hence no polygamy.
I suggest you check out rural Utah.
I suggest you keep up with the news.
I spend enough time off-roading and camping there to tell you that even
Colorado City (just over the border in AZ) is shut down with its
principles on the run.
All 60,000 of them?
Care to explain the methodology used in arriving at that number?
We'll revist this soon, btw...
http://www.absalom.com/mormon/polygamy/faq.htm
<How many Polygamists are there in Utah?
<
<About 60,000
<(5% of Utah Mormons)
<
<Why aren't all those polygamists jailed?
<
<A recent (1998) poll by the Salt Lake tribune found that 35% of Utah's
< population think that polygamists should not be prosecuted. Many of
< the folks in Utah are descendants of polygamists, and don't care to
< heap the same type of intolerant abuse on their neighbors that the
< early Mormon people were subjected to. In addition, the laws that
< were written against polygamy are basically laws against consensual
< sensuality, which cannot be prosecuted in today's legal climate.
And if they cannot be successfully prosecuted in Utah, why would they
run?
"Where are the polygamists?
The largest concentrations of Polygamists in Utah are near Manti and in
Hillsdale (Colorado City, Arizona). Practically the whole town of
Colorado City is owned by a religious trust, the members of which
practice polygamy."
Btw - been there lately?
They're almost deserted, and there were never 60,000 to start with.
You're out of your depth, fool.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2006-04-12-polygamy_x.htm
Authorities are mindful of talk that sect members here, who number about
6,000, have vowed not to submit.
<that's 6,000, not 60,000!!!>
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2006-04-12-polygamy_x.htm
HILDALE, Utah — Its prophet is on the run, accused of uniting teenage
girls with older, already-married men.
Its members are being evicted for tax evasion here and in adjoining
Colorado City, Ariz., and police officers in both towns are being forced
to choose between their jobs and plural marriage.
The nation's largest polygamist sect — founded in defiance of the
mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' ban on polygamy
more than a century ago — is under pressure as never before
As the law closes in — the group's fugitive prophet, Warren Steed Jeffs,
was charged last week with rape for allegedly forcing a teenage girl to
marry an older man — members are leaving these twin towns and building
compounds in West Texas, southwestern Colorado and South Dakota's Black
Hills.
There are also a fair number outside of Utah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamous_Mormon_fundamentalists
So?
Most are refugees.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/058746.htm
January 19, 2004
Towns Brace for Fleeing Polygamists
Two towns along the Utah/Arizona state line (Hildale, Utah, and Colorado
City, Ariz.) are ruled by polygamous families, with one family in
particular acting as virtual royalty. Unfortunately for them, divisions
and discontent has been building there over the years and the fallout
may lead to a large-scale exodus from the communities - in fact,
neighboring towns are bracing for an influx of fleeing polygamists.
<last I heard a few of the leaders are on the run with cash and a van to
Arkansas>
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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20 Apr 2006 10:39:08 PM |
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samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
I spend enough time off-roading and camping there to tell you that even
Colorado City (just over the border in AZ) is shut down with its
principles on the run.
All 60,000 of them?
Care to explain the methodology used in arriving at that number?
Ask the guy who wrote the page, not me.
http://www.absalom.com/mormon/polygamy/faq.htm
<How many Polygamists are there in Utah?
<
<About 60,000
<(5% of Utah Mormons)
<
<Why aren't all those polygamists jailed?
<
<A recent (1998) poll by the Salt Lake tribune found that 35% of Utah's
< population think that polygamists should not be prosecuted. Many of
< the folks in Utah are descendants of polygamists, and don't care to
< heap the same type of intolerant abuse on their neighbors that the
< early Mormon people were subjected to. In addition, the laws that
< were written against polygamy are basically laws against consensual
< sensuality, which cannot be prosecuted in today's legal climate.
And if they cannot be successfully prosecuted in Utah, why would they
run?
"Where are the polygamists?
The largest concentrations of Polygamists in Utah are near Manti and in
Hillsdale (Colorado City, Arizona). Practically the whole town of
Colorado City is owned by a religious trust, the members of which
practice polygamy."
Btw - been there lately?
They're almost deserted, and there were never 60,000 to start with.
Who said that there were 60,000 in that one spot? Not me.
You're out of your depth, fool.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2006-04-12-polygamy_x.htm
Authorities are mindful of talk that sect members here, who number about
6,000, have vowed not to submit.
<that's 6,000, not 60,000!!!>
Concentrated in that one place. The other 54,000 are not in one
place, but in a variety of places, with no concentration anywhere near
as large.
There are also a fair number outside of Utah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamous_Mormon_fundamentalists
So?
Most are refugees.
No. They were in a variety of places long before 2004.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/058746.htm
January 19, 2004
Towns Brace for Fleeing Polygamists
Two towns along the Utah/Arizona state line (Hildale, Utah, and Colorado
City, Ariz.) are ruled by polygamous families, with one family in
particular acting as virtual royalty. Unfortunately for them, divisions
and discontent has been building there over the years and the fallout
may lead to a large-scale exodus from the communities - in fact,
neighboring towns are bracing for an influx of fleeing polygamists.
<last I heard a few of the leaders are on the run with cash and a van to
Arkansas>
Maybe the leaders of that one group. All the other groups are still
undisturbed, and most keep a lower profile.
lojbab
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| User: "samurai" |
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20 Apr 2006 11:41:59 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
I spend enough time off-roading and camping there to tell you that even
Colorado City (just over the border in AZ) is shut down with its
principles on the run.
All 60,000 of them?
Care to explain the methodology used in arriving at that number?
Ask the guy who wrote the page, not me.
You cited it - YOU FUCKING SUPPORT it or STFU!
http://www.absalom.com/mormon/polygamy/faq.htm
<How many Polygamists are there in Utah?
<
<About 60,000
<(5% of Utah Mormons)
<
<Why aren't all those polygamists jailed?
<
<A recent (1998) poll by the Salt Lake tribune found that 35% of Utah's
< population think that polygamists should not be prosecuted. Many of
< the folks in Utah are descendants of polygamists, and don't care to
< heap the same type of intolerant abuse on their neighbors that the
< early Mormon people were subjected to. In addition, the laws that
< were written against polygamy are basically laws against consensual
< sensuality, which cannot be prosecuted in today's legal climate.
And if they cannot be successfully prosecuted in Utah, why would they
run?
"Where are the polygamists?
The largest concentrations of Polygamists in Utah are near Manti and in
Hillsdale (Colorado City, Arizona). Practically the whole town of
Colorado City is owned by a religious trust, the members of which
practice polygamy."
Btw - been there lately?
They're almost deserted, and there were never 60,000 to start with.
Who said that there were 60,000 in that one spot? Not me.
Shaddup *****.
You're out of your depth, fool.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2006-04-12-polygamy_x.htm
Authorities are mindful of talk that sect members here, who number about
6,000, have vowed not to submit.
<that's 6,000, not 60,000!!!>
Concentrated in that one place. The other 54,000 are not in one
place, but in a variety of places, with no concentration anywhere near
as large.
Fucking PROVE IT liar!
There are also a fair number outside of Utah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamous_Mormon_fundamentalists
So?
Most are refugees.
No. They were in a variety of places long before 2004.
You have no clue, stupid least coast scumsucker.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/058746.htm
January 19, 2004
Towns Brace for Fleeing Polygamists
Two towns along the Utah/Arizona state line (Hildale, Utah, and Colorado
City, Ariz.) are ruled by polygamous families, with one family in
particular acting as virtual royalty. Unfortunately for them, divisions
and discontent has been building there over the years and the fallout
may lead to a large-scale exodus from the communities - in fact,
neighboring towns are bracing for an influx of fleeing polygamists.
<last I heard a few of the leaders are on the run with cash and a van to
Arkansas>
Maybe the leaders of that one group. All the other groups are still
undisturbed, and most keep a lower profile.
PROVE IT *****!
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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21 Apr 2006 01:19:34 PM |
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samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
They're almost deserted, and there were never 60,000 to start with.
Who said that there were 60,000 in that one spot? Not me.
Shaddup *****.
Admitting defeat again, loser?
You're out of your depth, fool.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2006-04-12-polygamy_x.htm
Authorities are mindful of talk that sect members here, who number about
6,000, have vowed not to submit.
<that's 6,000, not 60,000!!!>
Concentrated in that one place. The other 54,000 are not in one
place, but in a variety of places, with no concentration anywhere near
as large.
Fucking PROVE IT liar!
I provided a cite. You (probably intentionally) misunderstood it to
claim that there were 60,000 in one little town that had the highest
concentration a few years ago. Which is not what it said. Your
counter cite did not refute that number, but merely indicated the
numbers for that one town.
I provided another, Wikipedia entry on the subject that broke down
numbers for several groups that supported polygamy, but even that list
is not exhaustive. While none may be as large as the 6,000 that were
in one group in one town, there are probably dozens of groups and who
knows how many individual families who don't affiliate with a group.
There are also a fair number outside of Utah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamous_Mormon_fundamentalists
So?
Most are refugees.
No. They were in a variety of places long before 2004.
You have no clue, stupid least coast scumsucker.
I have considerable clue, loser. Nor have I always lived on this side
of the country.
<last I heard a few of the leaders are on the run with cash and a van to
Arkansas>
Maybe the leaders of that one group. All the other groups are still
undisturbed, and most keep a lower profile.
PROVE IT *****!
I provided a cite naming several groups. You have countered one of
them (and all you've really proved is that they disrupted the one town
- a quick web search showed that the organization still exists and has
a ranch in Texas - that the leader is a fugitive has not broken up the
plural marriages. So there may still be 6,000 polygamists in that
organization, and there is no reason to believe that more than a few
have arrest warrants on them.
lojbab
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| User: "samurai" |
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21 Apr 2006 03:11:18 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
They're almost deserted, and there were never 60,000 to start with.
Who said that there were 60,000 in that one spot? Not me.
Shaddup *****.
Admitting defeat
Huh?
You blew your estimate and can't support it.
You're out of your depth, fool.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2006-04-12-polygamy_x.htm
Authorities are mindful of talk that sect members here, who number about
6,000, have vowed not to submit.
<that's 6,000, not 60,000!!!>
Concentrated in that one place. The other 54,000 are not in one
place, but in a variety of places, with no concentration anywhere near
as large.
Fucking PROVE IT liar!
I provided a cite.
You have NO support for it.
There are also a fair number outside of Utah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamous_Mormon_fundamentalists
So?
Most are refugees.
No. They were in a variety of places long before 2004.
You have no clue, stupid least coast scumsucker.
I have considerable clue, loser. Nor have I always lived on this side
of the country.
Oh, traversed the needles district, been to Mexican Hat?
<last I heard a few of the leaders are on the run with cash and a van to
Arkansas>
Maybe the leaders of that one group. All the other groups are still
undisturbed, and most keep a lower profile.
PROVE IT *****!
I provided a cite
You provided one unsubstantiated website, no supportive hard numbers data.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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21 Apr 2006 04:14:03 PM |
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samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
You blew your estimate and can't support it.
I cited an estimate. You have failed to counter that cite or to offer
a different estimate.
I provided a cite.
You have NO support for it.
The cite is the support.
Here is a cite for another estimate, this time 30,000, on the Mormon
church site itself. The Mormon church thus officially recognizes this
estimate while disagreeing with it solely on the basis that such
polygamists are not really Mormons
http://www.lds.org/newsroom/mistakes/0,15331,3885-1-9077,00.html
Here is another site, using 30000-60000 as its estimate for those only
in Utah. That doesn't count the ones elsewhere.
http://www.signaturebookslibrary.org/essays/mormonpolygamy.htm
You provided one unsubstantiated website, no supportive hard numbers data.
Actually I provided two, you ignored the wikipedia article, which in
turn has more cites. I've now added two more. All the estimates
agree as to the order of magnitude, and you have provided nothing to
counter it.
lojbab
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| User: "samurai" |
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21 Apr 2006 04:45:12 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
You blew your estimate and can't support it.
I cited an estimate. You have failed to counter that cite
A lie, I countered it in the articles I pasted.
I provided a cite.
You have NO support for it.
The cite is the support.
Nope, there's no cross referencing, footnote, nor explanation of sampling.
You LOSE again *****!
Here is a cite for another estimate, this time 30,000, on the Mormon
church site itself. The Mormon church thus officially recognizes this
estimate while disagreeing with it solely on the basis that such
polygamists are not really Mormons
http://www.lds.org/newsroom/mistakes/0,15331,3885-1-9077,00.html
I can place some faith in that one.
Here is another site, using 30000-60000 as its estimate for those only
in Utah. That doesn't count the ones elsewhere.
http://www.signaturebookslibrary.org/essays/mormonpolygamy.htm
Utah Population, 2004 estimate 2,389,039
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week205/cover.html
ABERNETHY: So 40,000, you think that's a fair estimate?
SEVERSON: Well, it's the number I was hearing when I was out there 20
years ago.
LINK* Wolfson, Hannah (AP). "Christian Polygamy Takes Root in Utah " in
Salt Lake Tribune, Saturday, July 24, 1999. (viewed online 24 July
1999). "...estimated 25,000-35,000 polygamists living in the West who
trace their roots to historical Mormonism... " [NOTE: These are not
members of the mainstream Mormon denomination, the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints, which forbids the practice.
You provided one unsubstantiated website, no supportive hard numbers data.
Actually I provided two, you ignored the wikipedia article, which in
turn has more cites. I've now added two more.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11786790/site/newsweek/
Polygamy is a lifestyle choice for a relative handful of Americans.
Experts estimate that there are between 30,000 and 50,000 polygamists in
the United States
http://www.uncorrelated.com/culture_wars/
There are an estimated, and I emphasize "estimated" 30,000 polygamists
in Utah.
Wow, a whole 1%!
Shocking.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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21 Apr 2006 11:31:58 PM |
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samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
You blew your estimate and can't support it.
I cited an estimate. You have failed to counter that cite
A lie, I countered it in the articles I pasted.
Nope.
Wow, a whole 1%!
Shocking.
Not in the least.
lojbab
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| User: "samurai" |
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21 Apr 2006 11:42:43 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
You blew your estimate and can't support it.
I cited an estimate. You have failed to counter that cite
A lie, I countered it in the articles I pasted.
Nope.
Yup, liar.
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
19 Apr 2006 11:49:57 AM |
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samurai wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
When you raise your own kids, that is your choice
As a society we get choices too, hence no polygamy.
The left would prefer choice with out consequences.
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
19 Apr 2006 01:26:51 PM |
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"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> writes:
samurai wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
When you raise your own kids, that is your choice
As a society we get choices too, hence no polygamy.
The left would prefer choice with out consequences.
Choice without consequence is in fact an excellent idea.
I'm curious why you would think avoidable consequence
could ever be desireable.
-- cary
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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19 Apr 2006 12:07:48 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:49:57 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
The left would prefer choice with out consequences.
The consequences are the responsibility of those who make the choices.
It's not Your responsibility to protect anyone from those consequences
in private matters. You are not more capable or competent to lead
their lives than they are.
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| User: "mr_antone mr_antone@" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
19 Apr 2006 12:06:46 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:49:57 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
samurai wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
When you raise your own kids, that is your choice
As a society we get choices too, hence no polygamy.
The left would prefer choice with out consequences.
Whereas the right prefers choice, but let someone else pay for it.
mr_antone
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
19 Apr 2006 12:24:36 PM |
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mr_antone wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:49:57 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
samurai wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
When you raise your own kids, that is your choice
As a society we get choices too, hence no polygamy.
The left would prefer choice with out consequences.
Whereas the right prefers choice, but let someone else pay for it.
mr_antone
Wrong! May just want to look at the democrats socialist agenda over the
last 100 years then come back. Don't just pick out one presidential period.
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
19 Apr 2006 01:57:28 PM |
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"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
The left would prefer choice with out consequences.
Whereas the right prefers choice, but let someone else pay for it.
Wrong! May just want to look at the democrats socialist agenda over the
last 100 years then come back. Don't just pick out one presidential period.
The biggest expansion of entitlements was under Nixon. The deficit
ballooned under Reagan (and Bush I), and now it is ballooning again
under Bush II. The Democrats, for all their reputation, have tended
to cut spending; they come up with new programs, but tend to keep them
small (their programs, being for the poor, tend to be cheap, whereas
the Republicans have to throw away big money to attract rich voters
and campaign contributors); the Republicans then expand them in order
to buy votes. The Democrats also get the blame for increasing taxes
as needed to pay for the Republican profligacy.
lojbab
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| User: "mr_antone mr_antone@" |
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19 Apr 2006 12:38:45 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:24:36 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:49:57 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
samurai wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
When you raise your own kids, that is your choice
As a society we get choices too, hence no polygamy.
The left would prefer choice with out consequences.
Whereas the right prefers choice, but let someone else pay for it.
mr_antone
Wrong! May just want to look at the democrats socialist agenda over the
last 100 years then come back. Don't just pick out one presidential period.
Nah, I'll just look back at the last 3 GOP presidential periods.
Yep, I'm right.
mr_antone
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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19 Apr 2006 05:04:08 PM |
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mr_antone wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:24:36 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:49:57 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
samurai wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
When you raise your own kids, that is your choice
As a society we get choices too, hence no polygamy.
The left would prefer choice with out consequences.
Whereas the right prefers choice, but let someone else pay for it.
mr_antone
Wrong! May just want to look at the democrats socialist agenda over the
last 100 years then come back. Don't just pick out one presidential period.
Nah, I'll just look back at the last 3 GOP presidential periods.
Yep, I'm right.
mr_antone
Your like homu, you want the answer to be the answer you want even if it
is not right :)
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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| User: "--" |
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19 Apr 2006 06:07:47 PM |
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"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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mr_antone wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:24:36 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:49:57 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
samurai wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
When you raise your own kids, that is your choice
As a society we get choices too, hence no polygamy.
The left would prefer choice with out consequences.
Whereas the right prefers choice, but let someone else pay for it.
mr_antone
Wrong! May just want to look at the democrats socialist agenda over the
last 100 years then come back. Don't just pick out one presidential
period.
Nah, I'll just look back at the last 3 GOP presidential periods.
Yep, I'm right.
mr_antone
Your like homu, you want the answer to be the answer you want even if it
is not right :)
Fortunately, this problem doesn't arise since their answer is correct as
demonstrated by the facts. The GOP - the party of thieves of the US
treasury; Democrats - the party of fiscal responsibility and a stronger US.
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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19 Apr 2006 12:10:21 AM |
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samurai wrote:
gatt wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:e0oa42l6vpqehilu37blhk86bpgaj5j7ro@4ax.com...
Perversion is idiosyncratic entirely, and subject only to private
consenting adults. Thus far, save for your prurient interest, you've
provided no particular reason why Your interest should be enshrined in
public policy.
Don, you keep asking them this and they never answer. Why is
that? It ought to be a pretty simple question, but, I dunno. I
mean, passing laws telling other people what they can't and cannot do
in the privacy of their own relationship is...well...socialist.
I know Jesus was a communist and all, but, what's with all these
religious socialists?
-c
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
NOR DO I!!
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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| User: "samurai" |
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19 Apr 2006 10:37:17 AM |
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Larry (Scratch) wrote:
samurai wrote:
gatt wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:e0oa42l6vpqehilu37blhk86bpgaj5j7ro@4ax.com...
Perversion is idiosyncratic entirely, and subject only to private
consenting adults. Thus far, save for your prurient interest, you've
provided no particular reason why Your interest should be enshrined in
public policy.
Don, you keep asking them this and they never answer. Why is
that? It ought to be a pretty simple question, but, I dunno. I
mean, passing laws telling other people what they can't and cannot do
in the privacy of their own relationship is...well...socialist.
I know Jesus was a communist and all, but, what's with all these
religious socialists?
-c
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
NOR DO I!!
Amen.
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| User: "Dominic Torrazzi" |
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19 Apr 2006 12:43:49 PM |
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"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
news:NOs1g.26409$7T1.15641@fe07.news.easynews.com...
Larry (Scratch) wrote:
samurai wrote:
gatt wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:e0oa42l6vpqehilu37blhk86bpgaj5j7ro@4ax.com...
Perversion is idiosyncratic entirely, and subject only to private
consenting adults. Thus far, save for your prurient interest, you've
provided no particular reason why Your interest should be enshrined in
public policy.
Don, you keep asking them this and they never answer. Why is that?
It ought to be a pretty simple question, but, I dunno. I mean, passing
laws telling other people what they can't and cannot do in the privacy
of their own relationship is...well...socialist.
I know Jesus was a communist and all, but, what's with all these
religious socialists?
-c
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
NOR DO I!!
Amen.
I would much rather a child was raised by a loving homosexual couple than in
the homes of sick hateful religiously insane bastards like you or Scratch.
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| User: "samurai" |
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19 Apr 2006 05:35:05 PM |
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
news:NOs1g.26409$7T1.15641@fe07.news.easynews.com...
Larry (Scratch) wrote:
samurai wrote:
gatt wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:e0oa42l6vpqehilu37blhk86bpgaj5j7ro@4ax.com...
Perversion is idiosyncratic entirely, and subject only to private
consenting adults. Thus far, save for your prurient interest, you've
provided no particular reason why Your interest should be enshrined in
public policy.
Don, you keep asking them this and they never answer. Why is that?
It ought to be a pretty simple question, but, I dunno. I mean, passing
laws telling other people what they can't and cannot do in the privacy
of their own relationship is...well...socialist.
I know Jesus was a communist and all, but, what's with all these
religious socialists?
-c
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
NOR DO I!!
Amen.
I would much rather a child was raised by a loving homosexual couple than in
the homes of sick hateful religiously
It's not an either/or - HTH, you amoral worthless sack of *****!
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| User: "Dominic Torrazzi" |
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20 Apr 2006 11:43:55 AM |
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"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
news:tWy1g.11994$hn5.3995@fe04.news.easynews.com...
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
news:NOs1g.26409$7T1.15641@fe07.news.easynews.com...
Larry (Scratch) wrote:
samurai wrote:
gatt wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:e0oa42l6vpqehilu37blhk86bpgaj5j7ro@4ax.com...
Perversion is idiosyncratic entirely, and subject only to private
consenting adults. Thus far, save for your prurient interest,
you've
provided no particular reason why Your interest should be enshrined
in
public policy.
Don, you keep asking them this and they never answer. Why is that?
It ought to be a pretty simple question, but, I dunno. I mean,
passing laws telling other people what they can't and cannot do in
the privacy of their own relationship is...well...socialist.
I know Jesus was a communist and all, but, what's with all these
religious socialists?
-c
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
NOR DO I!!
Amen.
I would much rather a child was raised by a loving homosexual couple than
in the homes of sick hateful religiously
It's not an either/or - HTH, you amoral worthless sack of *****!
Well, Sammy's conceeded defeat and gone to his usual plan of shitting
himself during retreat.
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| User: "samurai" |
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20 Apr 2006 12:53:13 PM |
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
news:tWy1g.11994$hn5.3995@fe04.news.easynews.com...
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
news:NOs1g.26409$7T1.15641@fe07.news.easynews.com...
Larry (Scratch) wrote:
samurai wrote:
gatt wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:e0oa42l6vpqehilu37blhk86bpgaj5j7ro@4ax.com...
Perversion is idiosyncratic entirely, and subject only to private
consenting adults. Thus far, save for your prurient interest,
you've
provided no particular reason why Your interest should be enshrined
in
public policy.
Don, you keep asking them this and they never answer. Why is that?
It ought to be a pretty simple question, but, I dunno. I mean,
passing laws telling other people what they can't and cannot do in
the privacy of their own relationship is...well...socialist.
I know Jesus was a communist and all, but, what's with all these
religious socialists?
-c
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
NOR DO I!!
Amen.
I would much rather a child was raised by a loving homosexual couple than
in the homes of sick hateful religiously
It's not an either/or - HTH, you amoral worthless sack of *****!
Well, Sammy's conceeded defeat
Lying twink, you've conceded your insipidity.
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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19 Apr 2006 05:09:35 PM |
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
news:NOs1g.26409$7T1.15641@fe07.news.easynews.com...
Larry (Scratch) wrote:
samurai wrote:
gatt wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:e0oa42l6vpqehilu37blhk86bpgaj5j7ro@4ax.com...
Perversion is idiosyncratic entirely, and subject only to private
consenting adults. Thus far, save for your prurient interest, you've
provided no particular reason why Your interest should be enshrined in
public policy.
Don, you keep asking them this and they never answer. Why is that?
It ought to be a pretty simple question, but, I dunno. I mean, passing
laws telling other people what they can't and cannot do in the privacy
of their own relationship is...well...socialist.
I know Jesus was a communist and all, but, what's with all these
religious socialists?
-c
Do you really want kids learning about adult pair bonding and child
rearing from same sex couples?
Cuz I don't...
NOR DO I!!
Amen.
I would much rather a child was raised by a loving homosexual couple than in
the homes of sick hateful religiously insane bastards like you or Scratch.
Yeah wee horrible I tell ya, we are absolutely horrible. We want to
raise our children not to be disgusting perverts. Tell, how wrong is
that? Unbelievable isn't it. And we hate everyone. You know those people
who love and adore their children teaching there is a right and there is
a wrong and it doesn't car what party you belong to. That in it's self
has to be WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! and to raise them with clean moral values
that will follow them throughout their lives so they don't fall into the
sick twisted prevision that leads to sickness and disease and the
general public look down on them. Twisted baby, just really twisted with
thought like that, right?
Much better like you say....
I would much rather a child was raised by a loving homosexual couple
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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| User: "gatt" |
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19 Apr 2006 06:20:58 PM |
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"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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so they don't fall into the sick twisted prevision
Prevision?
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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19 Apr 2006 09:28:47 PM |
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"gatt" <LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:_dadnY7xo7-7KNvZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com...
so they don't fall into the sick twisted prevision
Prevision?
Colonel "Bat" Guano: I think you're some kind of deviated prevert. I think
General Ripper found out about your preversion, and that you were
organizing some kind of mutiny of preverts. Now MOVE!
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| User: "samurai" |
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19 Apr 2006 10:41:06 PM |
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
"gatt" <LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:_dadnY7xo7-7KNvZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com...
so they don't fall into the sick twisted prevision
Prevision?
Colonel "Bat" Guano: I think you're some kind of deviated prevert. I think
General Ripper found out about your preversion, and that you were
organizing some kind of mutiny of preverts. Now MOVE!
No really old chap, can't we just calm down and talk about this?
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
19 Apr 2006 11:00:07 PM |
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samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"gatt" <LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:_dadnY7xo7-7KNvZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com...
so they don't fall into the sick twisted prevision
Prevision?
Colonel "Bat" Guano: I think you're some kind of deviated prevert. I
think General Ripper found out about your preversion, and that you
were organizing some kind of mutiny of preverts. Now MOVE!
No really old chap, can't we just calm down and talk about this?
Not if you commit any preversions in that phone booth.
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