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"Dominic Torrazzi" |
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23 Mar 2006 03:02:12 PM |
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Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation as to why they
don't take their own bible as an authority for when life begins. You stick
to your guns that life begins at conception, but the bible says it doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh with its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the developing
blastocyst until the fifth week. This isn't something that is questionable,
it is a known quantity. So if literalists believe that the bible is
literally true they must not continue to insist that life begins at
conception. It begins at five weeks.
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to abortions
before the five week period.
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| User: "Billy" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
23 Mar 2006 06:32:00 PM |
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"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote in message
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I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation as to why
they don't take their own bible as an authority for when life begins. You
stick to your guns that life begins at conception, but the bible says it
doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh with its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the developing
blastocyst until the fifth week.
The Bible did not say "Red blood"
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| User: "Dominic Torrazzi" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
24 Mar 2006 10:00:07 AM |
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"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote in message
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I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation as to why
they don't take their own bible as an authority for when life begins. You
stick to your guns that life begins at conception, but the bible says it
doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh with its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the developing
blastocyst until the fifth week.
The Bible did not say "Red blood"
Instead of splitting hairs why not answer intelligently?
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
23 Mar 2006 06:35:09 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:32:00 -0800, "Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote:
The Bible did not say "Red blood"
If it ain't red, it ain't Human blood.
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| User: "Billy" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
23 Mar 2006 06:41:43 PM |
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"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:32:00 -0800, "Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote:
The Bible did not say "Red blood"
If it ain't red, it ain't Human blood.
Really, I thought human blood was blue.
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
23 Mar 2006 08:02:36 PM |
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Billy wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:32:00 -0800, "Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote:
The Bible did not say "Red blood"
If it ain't red, it ain't Human blood.
Really, I thought human blood was blue.
:) Until air hits it.
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
23 Mar 2006 06:45:55 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:41:43 -0800, "Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:32:00 -0800, "Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote:
The Bible did not say "Red blood"
If it ain't red, it ain't Human blood.
Really, I thought human blood was blue.
We know have evidence that your assertion above is false.
You didn't think at all, apparently.
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| User: "Billy" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
23 Mar 2006 07:49:54 PM |
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"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:41:43 -0800, "Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:32:00 -0800, "Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote:
The Bible did not say "Red blood"
If it ain't red, it ain't Human blood.
Really, I thought human blood was blue.
We know have evidence that your assertion above is false.
You didn't think at all, apparently.
apparently, you did, but failed.
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
23 Mar 2006 06:14:59 PM |
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"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation as to
why they don't take their own bible as an authority for when life
begins. You stick to your guns that life begins at conception, but the
bible says it doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh with its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the developing
blastocyst until the fifth week. This isn't something that is
questionable, it is a known quantity. So if literalists believe that
the bible is literally true they must not continue to insist that life
begins at conception. It begins at five weeks.
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to
abortions before the five week period.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
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| User: "lein" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
12 Apr 2006 02:28:30 PM |
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation as to
why they don't take their own bible as an authority for when life
begins. You stick to your guns that life begins at conception, but the
bible says it doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh with its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the developing
blastocyst until the fifth week. This isn't something that is
questionable, it is a known quantity. So if literalists believe that
the bible is literally true they must not continue to insist that life
begins at conception. It begins at five weeks.
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to
abortions before the five week period.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
still hearing crickets
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| User: "Dominic Torrazzi" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
12 Apr 2006 03:35:13 PM |
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"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1144870110.589971.14630@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation as to
why they don't take their own bible as an authority for when life
begins. You stick to your guns that life begins at conception, but the
bible says it doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh with its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the developing
blastocyst until the fifth week. This isn't something that is
questionable, it is a known quantity. So if literalists believe that
the bible is literally true they must not continue to insist that life
begins at conception. It begins at five weeks.
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to
abortions before the five week period.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
still hearing crickets
You apparently are under some sort of delusion that you can ignore requests
for reply but can insist others reply to your responses.
When you start dealing with your own inability to answer questions, then
I'll address this. Until then it is asked and answered.
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| User: "lein" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
12 Apr 2006 07:12:00 PM |
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1144870110.589971.14630@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation as to
why they don't take their own bible as an authority for when life
begins. You stick to your guns that life begins at conception, but the
bible says it doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh with its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the developing
blastocyst until the fifth week. This isn't something that is
questionable, it is a known quantity. So if literalists believe that
the bible is literally true they must not continue to insist that life
begins at conception. It begins at five weeks.
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to
abortions before the five week period.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
still hearing crickets
You apparently are under some sort of delusion that you can ignore requests
for reply but can insist others reply to your responses.
When you start dealing with your own inability to answer questions, then
I'll address this. Until then it is asked and answered.
the crickets are still chirping
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| User: "Dominic Torrazzi" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
12 Apr 2006 07:46:02 PM |
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"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1144887120.328759.326570@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1144870110.589971.14630@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation as to
why they don't take their own bible as an authority for when life
begins. You stick to your guns that life begins at conception, but
the
bible says it doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all
to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh with
its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and
you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the
developing
blastocyst until the fifth week. This isn't something that is
questionable, it is a known quantity. So if literalists believe that
the bible is literally true they must not continue to insist that
life
begins at conception. It begins at five weeks.
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to
abortions before the five week period.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
still hearing crickets
You apparently are under some sort of delusion that you can ignore
requests
for reply but can insist others reply to your responses.
When you start dealing with your own inability to answer questions, then
I'll address this. Until then it is asked and answered.
the crickets are still chirping
Regardless of your hypocritical foot stomping.
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
13 Apr 2006 04:27:13 AM |
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"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1144887120.328759.326570@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1144870110.589971.14630@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation
as to why they don't take their own bible as an authority for
when life begins. You stick to your guns that life begins at
conception, but the
bible says it doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give
all to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh
with its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life,
and you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the
developing
blastocyst until the fifth week. This isn't something that is
questionable, it is a known quantity. So if literalists believe
that the bible is literally true they must not continue to
insist that life
begins at conception. It begins at five weeks.
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to
abortions before the five week period.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
still hearing crickets
You apparently are under some sort of delusion that you can ignore
requests
for reply but can insist others reply to your responses.
When you start dealing with your own inability to answer questions,
then I'll address this. Until then it is asked and answered.
the crickets are still chirping
Regardless of your hypocritical foot stomping.
Well, I'll ask it again.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
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| User: "Dominic Torrazzi" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
13 Apr 2006 11:15:06 AM |
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"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:RPo%f.10229$Fp4.5585@trnddc01...
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1144887120.328759.326570@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1144870110.589971.14630@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation
as to why they don't take their own bible as an authority for
when life begins. You stick to your guns that life begins at
conception, but the
bible says it doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give
all to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh
with its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life,
and you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the
developing
blastocyst until the fifth week. This isn't something that is
questionable, it is a known quantity. So if literalists believe
that the bible is literally true they must not continue to
insist that life
begins at conception. It begins at five weeks.
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to
abortions before the five week period.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
still hearing crickets
You apparently are under some sort of delusion that you can ignore
requests
for reply but can insist others reply to your responses.
When you start dealing with your own inability to answer questions,
then I'll address this. Until then it is asked and answered.
the crickets are still chirping
Regardless of your hypocritical foot stomping.
Well, I'll ask it again.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
Of course. I'm not a christian.
Anything that's done on purely religious grounds that has no practical
application is demonstrably irrational.
I'm able to deal with a ban in the third trimester, and I would also accept
partial birth abortions. But I also believe there would be little need for
abortions of convenience if the religious right would quit opposing adequate
health education in schools and government funding of birth control and
birth control education for the uneducated, underserved, poor, and military
and if the religious right would focus on child care post partum that would
benefit single mothers and mothers that want to give up their child. All the
religious right wants is to punish sinners for the behavior and give them
little if any options for redemption after the sin. These people hate life
and embrace death. If they would concentrate on the living they might make
it a better world than when they got here.
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| User: "Billy" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
13 Apr 2006 12:13:56 PM |
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"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote in message
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"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:RPo%f.10229$Fp4.5585@trnddc01...
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1144887120.328759.326570@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1144870110.589971.14630@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation
as to why they don't take their own bible as an authority for
when life begins. You stick to your guns that life begins at
conception, but the
bible says it doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give
all to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh
with its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life,
and you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the
developing
blastocyst until the fifth week. This isn't something that is
questionable, it is a known quantity. So if literalists believe
that the bible is literally true they must not continue to
insist that life
begins at conception. It begins at five weeks.
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to
abortions before the five week period.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
still hearing crickets
You apparently are under some sort of delusion that you can ignore
requests
for reply but can insist others reply to your responses.
When you start dealing with your own inability to answer questions,
then I'll address this. Until then it is asked and answered.
the crickets are still chirping
Regardless of your hypocritical foot stomping.
Well, I'll ask it again.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
Of course. I'm not a christian.
I will pray for you.
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| User: "Dominic Torrazzi" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
13 Apr 2006 12:19:44 PM |
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"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote in message
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"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:RPo%f.10229$Fp4.5585@trnddc01...
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1144887120.328759.326570@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1144870110.589971.14630@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation
as to why they don't take their own bible as an authority for
when life begins. You stick to your guns that life begins at
conception, but the
bible says it doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give
all to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh
with its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life,
and you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the
developing
blastocyst until the fifth week. This isn't something that is
questionable, it is a known quantity. So if literalists believe
that the bible is literally true they must not continue to
insist that life
begins at conception. It begins at five weeks.
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to
abortions before the five week period.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
still hearing crickets
You apparently are under some sort of delusion that you can ignore
requests
for reply but can insist others reply to your responses.
When you start dealing with your own inability to answer questions,
then I'll address this. Until then it is asked and answered.
the crickets are still chirping
Regardless of your hypocritical foot stomping.
Well, I'll ask it again.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
Of course. I'm not a christian.
I will pray for you.
Of course you will, you little condescending fellow.
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
14 Apr 2006 04:56:00 AM |
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"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote:
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote in message
news:123su8f4jg58le2@corp.supernews.com...
Of course. I'm not a christian.
I will pray for you.
And what, prithee, would be the object of these prayers?
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
14 Apr 2006 04:53:51 AM |
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"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:RPo%f.10229$Fp4.5585@trnddc01...
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1144887120.328759.326570@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1144870110.589971.14630@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation
as to why they don't take their own bible as an authority for
when life begins. You stick to your guns that life begins at
conception, but the
bible says it doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I
give all to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh
with its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the
life, and you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the
developing
blastocyst until the fifth week. This isn't something that is
questionable, it is a known quantity. So if literalists
believe that the bible is literally true they must not
continue to insist that life
begins at conception. It begins at five weeks.
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object
to abortions before the five week period.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
still hearing crickets
You apparently are under some sort of delusion that you can ignore
requests
for reply but can insist others reply to your responses.
When you start dealing with your own inability to answer
questions, then I'll address this. Until then it is asked and
answered.
the crickets are still chirping
Regardless of your hypocritical foot stomping.
Well, I'll ask it again.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
Of course. I'm not a christian.
Anything that's done on purely religious grounds that has no practical
application is demonstrably irrational.
I'm able to deal with a ban in the third trimester,
5 weeks is not quite halfway throught the first. You would not object to
a ban after 5 weeks?
and I would also
accept partial birth abortions. But I also believe there would be
little need for abortions of convenience if the religious right would
quit opposing adequate health education in schools and government
funding of birth control and birth control education for the
uneducated, underserved, poor, and military and if the religious right
would focus on child care post partum that would benefit single
mothers and mothers that want to give up their child.
Totally agree with that.
All the
religious right wants is to punish sinners for the behavior and give
them little if any options for redemption after the sin. These people
hate life and embrace death. If they would concentrate on the living
Which they claim to be doing.
they might make it a better world than when they got here.
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"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation
as to why they don't take their own bible as an authority for
when life begins. You stick to your guns that life begins at
conception, but the
bible says it doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I
give all to
you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh
with its
life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the
life, and you
shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the
developing
blastocyst until the fifth week. This isn't something that is
questionable, it is a known quantity. So if literalists
believe that the bible is literally true they must not
continue to insist that life
begins at conception. It begins at five weeks.
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object
to abortions before the five week period.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
still hearing crickets
You apparently are under some sort of delusion that you can ignore
requests
for reply but can insist others reply to your responses.
When you start dealing with your own inability to answer
questions, then I'll address this. Until then it is asked and
answered.
the crickets are still chirping
Regardless of your hypocritical foot stomping.
Well, I'll ask it again.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
Of course. I'm not a christian.
Anything that's done on purely religious grounds that has no practical
application is demonstrably irrational.
I'm able to deal with a ban in the third trimester,
5 weeks is not quite halfway throught the first. You would not object to
a ban after 5 weeks?
I already answered the question.
I do think that it would not be as much of an issue if the morning after
pill were widely available and women were educated on the subject, along
with birth control. Along with what I proscribed below it would do away with
most need for an abortion. As long as danger to the life of the mother
allowed an abortion to take place any time and there were adequate measures
to allow a mother to give up a child at birth without punishment my need for
a practical solution would supercede my want of a political one.
and I would also
accept partial birth abortions. But I also believe there would be
little need for abortions of convenience if the religious right would
quit opposing adequate health education in schools and government
funding of birth control and birth control education for the
uneducated, underserved, poor, and military and if the religious right
would focus on child care post partum that would benefit single
mothers and mothers that want to give up their child.
Totally agree with that.
All the
religious right wants is to punish sinners for the behavior and give
them little if any options for redemption after the sin. These people
hate life and embrace death. If they would concentrate on the living
Which they claim to be doing.
They claim lots of things, such as they are punishing you because they love
you. Know what I mean.
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13 Apr 2006 04:24:44 AM |
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"lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
I'm hoping the right to life crowd can give me an explanation as to
why they don't take their own bible as an authority for when life
begins. You stick to your guns that life begins at conception, but
the bible says it doesn't:
Genesis 9:3-4
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all
to you, as I gave the green plant. "Only you shall not eat flesh
with its life, that is, its blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23
"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and
you shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Science has determined that red blood is not formed in the
developing blastocyst until the fifth week. This isn't something
that is questionable, it is a known quantity. So if literalists
believe that the bible is literally true they must not continue to
insist that life begins at conception. It begins at five weeks.
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to
abortions before the five week period.
So, you wouldn't object to a ban on abortion After five weeks?
still hearing crickets
Good Lord!! Has it been That long? I'd fallen asleep.
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| User: "MJ Kenoyer" |
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24 Mar 2006 04:24:34 PM |
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So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to abortions
before the five week period.
They would indeed object, because the right to abortion, to them, was
never about protecting innocent lives--it's about controlling the
sexual behavior of human beings and specifically FEMALE human beings.
How else explain the Right's equivalent push for legislation to ban or
limit the access to contraception and reality-based sex education, and
to make it increasingly more difficult for single mothers to provide
for their children--let alone themselves--with their
feed-the-rich-on-the-backs-of-the-middle-and-working-class policies?
Improved economic conditions and increased access to means of pregnancy
*prevention* would in effect REDUCE abortions and the perceived need
for them--but the Right never wants to hear about that.
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| User: "Billy" |
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24 Mar 2006 05:04:50 PM |
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"MJ Kenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to abortions
before the five week period.
They would indeed object, because the right to abortion, to them, was
never about protecting innocent lives--it's about controlling the
sexual behavior of human beings and specifically FEMALE human beings.
That's a lie, half of the lives they want to save are FEMALE.
How else explain the Right's equivalent push for legislation to ban or
limit the access to contraception and reality-based sex education, and
to make it increasingly more difficult for single mothers to provide
for their children--let alone themselves--with their
feed-the-rich-on-the-backs-of-the-middle-and-working-class policies?
Oh I don't know, maybe they want parents to parent. Takeing responsibility
for your action may be a new concept for the left wing, but not everyone.
Improved economic conditions and increased access to means of pregnancy
*prevention* would in effect REDUCE abortions and the perceived need
for them--but the Right never wants to hear about that.
You mean Goverment handouts don't you. Get off your ***** and earn you own
damw way, the same as I do.
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| User: "Curt" |
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25 Mar 2006 01:19:25 PM |
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"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
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"MJ Kenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143239074.931651.81970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to
abortions
before the five week period.
They would indeed object, because the right to abortion, to them, was
never about protecting innocent lives--it's about controlling the
sexual behavior of human beings and specifically FEMALE human beings.
That's a lie, half of the lives they want to save are FEMALE.
Oh do quit it. It's not about saving lives and you know it. It's about
punishing naughty girls.
In fact, it was just proven, Scripturally, that a zygote isn't even alive
till what was it, five weeks? What's the matter, you know better than your
own god when life starts?
Geez.
Improved economic conditions and increased access to means of pregnancy
*prevention* would in effect REDUCE abortions and the perceived need
for them--but the Right never wants to hear about that.
You mean Goverment handouts don't you. Get off your ***** and earn you own
damw way, the same as I do.
Well, what he (she? I dunno) POSTED was "improved economic conditions and
increassed access to means of pregnancy prevention".
Curt
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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25 Mar 2006 02:56:11 PM |
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Curt wrote:
"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
news:cY_Uf.14146$6a1.4436@fed1read04...
"MJ Kenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143239074.931651.81970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to
abortions
before the five week period.
They would indeed object, because the right to abortion, to them, was
never about protecting innocent lives--it's about controlling the
sexual behavior of human beings and specifically FEMALE human beings.
That's a lie, half of the lives they want to save are FEMALE.
Oh do quit it. It's not about saving lives and you know it. It's about
punishing naughty girls.
In fact, it was just proven, Scripturally, that a zygote isn't even alive
till what was it, five weeks? What's the matter, you know better than your
own god when life starts?
Geez.
Improved economic conditions and increased access to means of pregnancy
*prevention* would in effect REDUCE abortions and the perceived need
for them--but the Right never wants to hear about that.
You mean Goverment handouts don't you. Get off your ***** and earn you own
damw way, the same as I do.
Well, what he (she? I dunno) POSTED was "improved economic conditions and
increassed access to means of pregnancy prevention".
Curt
So you are throwing out the idea that life starts at conception?
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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| User: "Dominic Torrazzi" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
24 Mar 2006 05:20:22 PM |
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"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
news:cY_Uf.14146$6a1.4436@fed1read04...
"MJ Kenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143239074.931651.81970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to
abortions
before the five week period.
They would indeed object, because the right to abortion, to them, was
never about protecting innocent lives--it's about controlling the
sexual behavior of human beings and specifically FEMALE human beings.
That's a lie, half of the lives they want to save are FEMALE.
No, the right wing religious cadre want to control women, as they feel they
should submit to their husbands and not judge men, as it says in your holy
book.
How else explain the Right's equivalent push for legislation to ban or
limit the access to contraception and reality-based sex education, and
to make it increasingly more difficult for single mothers to provide
for their children--let alone themselves--with their
feed-the-rich-on-the-backs-of-the-middle-and-working-class policies?
Oh I don't know, maybe they want parents to parent. Takeing
responsibility for your action may be a new concept for the left wing, but
not everyone.
Here's a new concept for the right wing:
Mind your own stinking business.
Improved economic conditions and increased access to means of pregnancy
*prevention* would in effect REDUCE abortions and the perceived need
for them--but the Right never wants to hear about that.
You mean Goverment handouts don't you. Get off your ***** and earn you own
damw way, the same as I do.
I realize you'd rather give your handouts to the rich, big business, and to
right wing politicians, but some feel it would do better with the poor.
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| User: "Billy" |
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24 Mar 2006 09:26:28 PM |
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"Dominic Torrazzi" <DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote in message
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"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
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"MJ Kenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143239074.931651.81970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
So let me know if you disagree and if you would still object to
abortions
before the five week period.
They would indeed object, because the right to abortion, to them, was
never about protecting innocent lives--it's about controlling the
sexual behavior of human beings and specifically FEMALE human beings.
That's a lie, half of the lives they want to save are FEMALE.
No, the right wing religious cadre want to control women, as they feel
they should submit to their husbands and not judge men, as it says in your
holy book.
No they want to save human life, something the left only cares about if it
is their own.
How else explain the Right's equivalent push for legislation to ban or
limit the access to contraception and reality-based sex education, and
to make it increasingly more difficult for single mothers to provide
for their children--let alone themselves--with their
feed-the-rich-on-the-backs-of-the-middle-and-working-class policies?
Oh I don't know, maybe they want parents to parent. Takeing
responsibility for your action may be a new concept for the left wing,
but not everyone.
Here's a new concept for the right wing:
Mind your own stinking business.
And let you take a human life if you want.
Improved economic conditions and increased access to means of pregnancy
*prevention* would in effect REDUCE abortions and the perceived need
for them--but the Right never wants to hear about that.
You mean Goverment handouts don't you. Get off your ***** and earn you own
damw way, the same as I do.
I realize you'd rather give your handouts to the rich, big business, and
to right wing politicians, but some feel it would do better with the poor.
My handout, let me give it to who I want.
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| User: "Curt" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
25 Mar 2006 01:23:28 PM |
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"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
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Here's a new concept for the right wing:
Mind your own stinking business.
And let you take a human life if you want.
Here's a question for you, Billy.
Where in Scripture does it say abortion is anywhere near taking a human
life?
You can't find it. Because.. tadaaaa.. it's not there.
So, if God doesn't care about zygotes, why do you?
Curt
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| User: "Billy" |
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| Title: Re: Does Life Begin at Conception? The Bible Says "No" |
25 Mar 2006 06:04:49 PM |
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"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote in message
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"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
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