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26 Mar 2005 05:02:34 PM |
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Eyewitness Testimony Requested by Phil Mathews [ i ] |
Phil Mathews complains:
No eyewitness descriptions were presented in
a section purporting to "critique" them.
That's because its easier to lie about them when you don't post them!
Well, Phil here's some wacky testimony for ya.
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Eyewitness 'testimony' of an Auschwitz gas chamber survivor
Deposition of Regina Bialek (Pole, aged 28)
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3. On 25th December 1943, I was sick with typhus and was picked out at
a selection made by doctors Mengele and Tauber along with about 350
other women. I was made to undress and taken by lorry to a gas
chamber. There were seven gas chambers at Auschwitz. This particular
one was underground and the lorry was able to run down the slope and
straight into the chamber. Here we were tipped unceremoniously on the
floor. The room was about 12 yards square and small lights on the wall
dimly illuminated it. When the room was full a hissing sound was heard
coming from the centre point on the floor and gas came into the room.
After what seemed about ten minutes some of the victims began to bite
their hands and foam at the mouth, and blood issued from their ears,
eyes and mouth, and their faces went blue. I suffered from all these
symptoms, together with a tight feeling at the throat. I was half
conscious when my number was called out by Dr. Mengele and I was led
from the chamber. I attribute my escape to the fact that the daughter
of a friend of mine who was an Aryan and a doctor at Auschwitz had
seen me being transported to the chamber and had told her mother, who
immediately appealed to Dr. Mengele. Apparently he realized that as a
political prisoner I was of more value alive than dead, and I was
released.
4. I think that the time to kill a person in this particular gas
chamber would be from 15 to 20 minutes.
5. I was told that the staffs of the prisoners who worked in the gas
chamber and crematorium next door changed every three months, the old
staff being taken to a villa in the camp to do some repair work. Here
they were locked in the rooms and gas bombs thrown through the window.
I estimate that in December, 1943, about 7,000 people disappeared from
Auschwitz by way of the gas chamber and crematorium.
[...]
note:
This postwar affidavit was entered as prosecution evidence in the
British military court trial at Lüneburg, Sept.-Nov. 1945, of former
Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen camp personnel.
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Pressac says - that his book:
"... demonstrates the complete bankruptacy of traditional history, a history based
for the most part on testimonies, assembled according to the mood of the moment,
truncated to fit an arbitrary truth and sprinkled with a few German documents of
uneven value and without any connection with one and another." J.C. Pressac
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Eyewitness Testimony Requested by Phil Mathews [ i ] |
26 Mar 2005 07:04:27 PM |
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wrote:
Phil Mathews complains:
No eyewitness descriptions were presented in
a section purporting to "critique" them.
That's because its easier to lie about them when you don't post
them!
Well, Phil here's some wacky testimony for ya.
Notice that Chrissy is not presenting any of the evidence referenced in
the thread under discussion! So the "critiques" have nothing to do with
this evidence, which plays no role in the established history of
Auschwitz.
That thread was about the time it took to gas Jews.
Why is that, Chrissy?
--
Philip Mathews
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| User: "Gab" |
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| Title: Re: Eyewitness Testimony Requested by Phil Mathews [ i ] |
26 Mar 2005 08:25:21 PM |
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<philnancy@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111883698.533386.90320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
scott@free.info wrote:
Phil Mathews complains:
No eyewitness descriptions were presented in
a section purporting to "critique" them.
That's because its easier to lie about them when you don't post
them!
Well, Phil here's some wacky testimony for ya.
Notice that Chrissy is not presenting any of the evidence referenced in
the thread under discussion! So the "critiques" have nothing to do with
this evidence, which plays no role in the established history of
Auschwitz.
That thread was about the time it took to gas Jews.
Why is that, Chrissy?
--BECAUSE A CHRISTIAN GASES CHRISTINGLY, A mULSIM MUSSINGLY, A HOTENTOT
HOTINGLY BUT A JOO? A JOO GASES JOOOOSINGLY.
Philip Mathews
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Eyewitness Testimony Requested by Phil Mathews [ i ] |
27 Mar 2005 10:32:57 AM |
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On 26 Mar 2005 17:04:27 -0800, wrote:
That thread was about the time it took to gas Jews.
You cut it, I'll replace it.
"After what seemed about ten minutes some of the victims began to bite
their hands and foam at the mouth, and blood issued from their ears,
eyes and mouth, and their faces went blue."
--
Pressac says - that his book:
"... demonstrates the complete bankruptacy of traditional history, a history based
for the most part on testimonies, assembled according to the mood of the moment,
truncated to fit an arbitrary truth and sprinkled with a few German documents of
uneven value and without any connection with one and another." J.C. Pressac
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Eyewitness Testimony Requested by Phil Mathews [ i ] |
27 Mar 2005 11:14:02 AM |
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wrote:
On 26 Mar 2005 17:04:27 -0800, wrote:
That thread was about the time it took to gas Jews.
You cut it,
So what?
It has nothing to do with the Rudolf thread.
Why is it you have not posted any of that, Chrissy?
"After what seemed about ten minutes some of the victims began to
bite
their hands and foam at the mouth, and blood issued from their ears,
eyes and mouth, and their faces went blue."
And what's your point?
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Philip Mathews
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Eyewitness Testimony Requested by Phil Mathews [ i ] |
27 Apr 2005 09:41:20 AM |
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On 27 Mar 2005 09:14:02 -0800, wrote:
scott@free.info wrote:
On 26 Mar 2005 17:04:27 -0800, wrote:
That thread was about the time it took to gas Jews.
You cut it,
So what?
So what? . . . Was it inconvenient for you?
It has nothing to do with the Rudolf thread.
This is Rudolf's thread.
Why is it you have not posted any of that, Chrissy?
I just posted it. What is your problem?
"After what seemed about ten minutes some of the victims began to
bite
their hands and foam at the mouth, and blood issued from their ears,
eyes and mouth, and their faces went blue."
And what's your point?
Much eyewitness testimony turns out to be liewitness testimony.
--
"'What are you writing?' the Rebbe asked. ' - Stories,' I said.
He wanted to know what kind of stories: true stories. 'About people you have knew?'
Yes, about people I might have known. 'About things that happened?'
Yes, about things that happened or could have happened. 'But they did not?'
No, not all of them did. In fact, some some were invented from almost the beginning
to almost the end. The Rebbe leaned forward as if to measure me up and said
with more sorrow than anger: 'That means that you are writing lies!' I did not answer immediately.
The scolded child within me had nothing to say in his defense. Yet, I had to justify myself.
'Things are not that simple, Rebbe. Some events do take place but are not true; other are - although they never occurred.'"
Elie Wiesel in Legends of Our Time, Schocken Books, New York, 1982, p. viii of introduction.
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| User: "Ron Jacobson" |
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| Title: Re: Eyewitness Testimony Requested by Phil Mathews [ i ] |
27 Apr 2005 12:39:21 PM |
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(snip Chris Carpenter's spam)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
Mass graves found at Nazi camp
Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
death camp in north-eastern Poland.
The research team, which began its government-sponsored investigation
in the summer, said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
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RJ.
-- "I'm stupid about a lot of things" -- Chris Carpenter,
Message-ID: <8s5g0190pu4juju5qfmg4ia7rrn6c8gn3s@4ax.com>
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