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Family Seeks Legal Relief So Son Can Read Bible During Recess |
Theocracy at work
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Family Seeks Legal Relief So Son Can Read Bible During Recess
Jim Brown, Agape Press
A federal court has been asked to order a Knoxville, Tennessee, elementary
school to stop prohibiting a ten-year-old student from reading his Bible
during recess. Luke Whitson and his parents have filed a motion for
preliminary injunction against Knox County School officials, who allegedly
threatened to punish the boy for reading his Bible during recess at Karns
Elementary School. The district claims the Bible reading jeopardizes
student safety and that, because recess is not "free time," they can
prohibit Bible reading during that time. But Whitson's attorney, Nate
Kellum with the Alliance Defense Fund, says school officials are wrong to
claim reading the Bible on a school playground violates the so-called
"separation of church and state." Kellum contends that school officials
have a "fundamental misunderstanding" of the Constitution, which he points
out prohibits the wholesale banning of Bible during recess -- not the
reading of it.
Young Luke, he says, merely wants the school to recognize his free-speech
rights. Whitson and his parents filed a federal lawsuit against the Knox
County School District in June. They are seeking a preliminary injunction
so the ten-year-old can read the Bible with classmates on the playground as
the case progresses.
United Nations Rep, Dr. Charles Phillips, Appointed as Spokesperson for Ten
Commandments Commission
Religion News Service
Dr. Charles Phillips, representative for the United Nations as a
Non-Government Official to the Economic Concilias, has accepted a position
as Spokesperson for the Ten Commandments Commission, an organization
devoted to defending and maintaining the Judeo-Christian moral tradition in
society. As a spokesperson, Dr. Phillips will be helping with the
coordination of the upcoming Ten Commandments Day Celebration that is
scheduled to take place nationwide on February 5, 2006. “Like many others I
have been concerned about recent attempts to remove the Ten Commandments
and traditional moral values from society,” says Phillips. “I look forward
to working with concerned citizens of this country and the world to take a
stand for the principles that made this country so great.” According to Ron
Wexler, President/CEO of the Ten Commandments Commission, the Ten
Commandments Commission was founded as a result of recent court rulings and
decisions to have Jewish and Christian symbols removed from the public
square. “The removal of symbols like the Ten Commandments represent a
coordinated attempt to remove the Judeo-Christian heritage and moral
tradition that has functioned as the foundation of our society,” says
Wexler. “When these symbols are removed it is a visible reminder that God
is not welcome in our society. Those who support a divine standard must do
something about this. That’s why the Ten Commandments Commission was
founded.”
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The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
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| User: "Perpetual Confusion" |
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| Title: Re: Family Seeks Legal Relief So Son Can Read Bible During Recess |
27 Sep 2005 07:57:40 AM |
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wrote in
news:tefij19vj34jt6al0rsg68qrc1u8fn88jn@4ax.com:
Theocracy at work
No. An elemantary student want to read his bible at recess. Is this a
free country? If he wanted to read Playboy would you be so up in arms?
Let the friggin kid read what he wants. It's his business.
let freedom ring
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*** http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/1353431.html
Family Seeks Legal Relief So Son Can Read Bible During Recess
Jim Brown, Agape Press
A federal court has been asked to order a Knoxville, Tennessee,
elementary school to stop prohibiting a ten-year-old student from
reading his Bible during recess. Luke Whitson and his parents have
filed a motion for preliminary injunction against Knox County School
officials, who allegedly threatened to punish the boy for reading his
Bible during recess at Karns Elementary School. The district claims
the Bible reading jeopardizes student safety and that, because recess
is not "free time," they can prohibit Bible reading during that time.
But Whitson's attorney, Nate Kellum with the Alliance Defense Fund,
says school officials are wrong to claim reading the Bible on a school
playground violates the so-called "separation of church and state."
Kellum contends that school officials have a "fundamental
misunderstanding" of the Constitution, which he points out prohibits
the wholesale banning of Bible during recess -- not the reading of it.
Young Luke, he says, merely wants the school to recognize his
free-speech rights. Whitson and his parents filed a federal lawsuit
against the Knox County School District in June. They are seeking a
preliminary injunction so the ten-year-old can read the Bible with
classmates on the playground as the case progresses.
United Nations Rep, Dr. Charles Phillips, Appointed as Spokesperson
for Ten Commandments Commission
Religion News Service
Dr. Charles Phillips, representative for the United Nations as a
Non-Government Official to the Economic Concilias, has accepted a
position as Spokesperson for the Ten Commandments Commission, an
organization devoted to defending and maintaining the Judeo-Christian
moral tradition in society. As a spokesperson, Dr. Phillips will be
helping with the coordination of the upcoming Ten Commandments Day
Celebration that is scheduled to take place nationwide on February 5,
2006. “Like many others I have been concerned about recent attempts to
remove the Ten Commandments and traditional moral values from
society,” says Phillips. “I look forward to working with concerned
citizens of this country and the world to take a stand for the
principles that made this country so great.” According to Ron Wexler,
President/CEO of the Ten Commandments Commission, the Ten Commandments
Commission was founded as a result of recent court rulings and
decisions to have Jewish and Christian symbols removed from the public
square. “The removal of symbols like the Ten Commandments represent a
coordinated attempt to remove the Judeo-Christian heritage and moral
tradition that has functioned as the foundation of our society,” says
Wexler. “When these symbols are removed it is a visible reminder that
God is not welcome in our society. Those who support a divine standard
must do something about this. That’s why the Ten Commandments
Commission was founded.”
***************************************************************
Posting and reading from alt.politics.usa.constitution OR
alt.education
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation
of Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members
from all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no
law respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning.
Words take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts,
which is why "a page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York
Trust Co. v. Eisner, 256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed.
963 (1921) (Holmes, J.). Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980
F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992) . . .
****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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| Title: Re: Family Seeks Legal Relief So Son Can Read Bible During Recess |
28 Sep 2005 05:53:02 AM |
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"You Said Now" <YSW@tdsno.com> wrote:
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:|"Perpetual Confusion" <always@confused.net> wrote in message
:|news:Xns96DE5A798FE91thesearch@216.196.97.142...
:|> wrote in
:|> news:tefij19vj34jt6al0rsg68qrc1u8fn88jn@4ax.com:
:|>
:|>> Theocracy at work
:|>
:|> No. An elemantary student want to read his bible at recess. Is this a
:|> free country? If he wanted to read Playboy would you be so up in arms?
:|>
:|> Let the friggin kid read what he wants. It's his business.
:|>
:|> let freedom ring
:|
:|I was wondering if we were getting the story of what actually was going on
:|or just a watered down version to make it into something it really not
:|really is.
:|
:|I found it down in the first paragraph.
:|
:|>> ***********************************************************************
:|>> *** http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/1353431.html
:|>>
:|>> Family Seeks Legal Relief So Son Can Read Bible During Recess
:|>> Jim Brown, Agape Press
:|>>
:|>> A federal court has been asked to order a Knoxville, Tennessee,
:|>> elementary school to stop prohibiting a ten-year-old student from
:|>> reading his Bible during recess. Luke Whitson and his parents have
:|>> filed a motion for preliminary injunction against Knox County School
:|>> officials, who allegedly threatened to punish the boy for reading his
:|>> Bible during recess at Karns Elementary School. The district claims
:|>> the Bible reading jeopardizes student safety and that, because recess
:|>> is not "free time," they can prohibit Bible reading during that time.
:|>> But Whitson's attorney, Nate Kellum with the Alliance Defense Fund,
:|>> says school officials are wrong to claim reading the Bible on a school
:|>> playground violates the so-called "separation of church and state."
:|>> Kellum contends that school officials have a "fundamental
:|>> misunderstanding" of the Constitution, which he points out prohibits
:|>> the wholesale banning of Bible during recess -- not the reading of it.
:|>> Young Luke, he says, merely wants the school to recognize his
:|>> free-speech rights.
:|
:|Hmmmmmmmm. What does free speech rights have to do with reading?
:|
:|I would guess that the reporter is omitting something important. Sounds to
:|me like the student might have been proselytizing as well.
That is usually the case in articles of this nature and the source is Agape
Press which is a Christian News Media Service
AgapePress news content focuses on issues that have moral, social, and
political implications, written from a Christian perspective and a biblical
worldview ...
www.agapepress.org/ - 50k - Sep 26, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages
In almost every case when stories of this nature are reported from places
like the 700 Club and other Religious sources the story is not accurately
given.
During non class time any student can read from the Bible. The free Speech
aspect does tend to suggest that more than just reading was involved.
:| Whitson and his parents filed a federal lawsuit
:|>> against the Knox County School District in June. They are seeking a
:|>> preliminary injunction so the ten-year-old can read the Bible with
:|>> classmates on the playground as the case progresses.
:|
:|Other kids are involved as well. So in actuality we have a group of kids
:|rather than one kid probably harrassing other kids and not just quietly
:|sitting and reading the bible.
:|
:|The story has a few missing pieces. Once you put them together it makes much
:|more sense.
:|
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Posting and reading from alt.politics.usa.constitution OR alt.education
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| User: "Perpetual Confusion" |
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| Title: Re: Family Seeks Legal Relief So Son Can Read Bible During Recess |
28 Sep 2005 10:48:36 AM |
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wrote in
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:|Hmmmmmmmm. What does free speech rights have to do with reading?
:|
:|I would guess that the reporter is omitting something important.
:|Sounds to me like the student might have been proselytizing as well.
So? Not always the wisest choice of how to spend recess, but sheesh. Are we
going to introduce kids to their free country and tell them they can't talk
about X on the playground?
That is usually the case in articles of this nature and the source is
Agape Press which is a Christian News Media Service
AgapePress news content focuses on issues that have moral, social, and
political implications, written from a Christian perspective and a
biblical worldview ...
www.agapepress.org/ - 50k - Sep 26, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages
In almost every case when stories of this nature are reported from
places like the 700 Club and other Religious sources the story is
not accurately given.
Not an unusual thing. All news has news slant to it.
During non class time any student can read from the Bible. The free
Speech aspect does tend to suggest that more than just reading was
involved.
:| Whitson and his parents filed a federal lawsuit
:|>> against the Knox County School District in June. They are
:|>> seeking a preliminary injunction so the ten-year-old can read the
:|>> Bible with classmates on the playground as the case progresses.
:|
:|Other kids are involved as well. So in actuality we have a group of
:|kids rather than one kid probably harrassing other kids and not just
:|quietly sitting and reading the bible.
:|
Key word, "probably". In other words -> "an opinion pulled out of someones
rear end"
:|The story has a few missing pieces. Once you put them together it
:|makes much more sense.
:|
As long as the "pieces" are true and not of a posterior source.
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| User: "Daniel" |
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28 Sep 2005 07:03:11 AM |
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wrote:
Theocracy at work
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http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/1353431.html
Family Seeks Legal Relief So Son Can Read Bible During Recess
Jim Brown, Agape Press
And the problem is?
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| User: "Robi" |
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28 Sep 2005 07:54:10 AM |
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Daniel wrote:
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
Theocracy at work
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Family Seeks Legal Relief So Son Can Read Bible During Recess
Jim Brown, Agape Press
And the problem is?
Not a problem to me, at least, as long as he wants to read it and he
isn't being forced to by his family.
I don't know whether "recess" means what I think it does, but if it
refers to an opportunity for ten year olds to run around and have fun
with their schoolmates, surely even a devout Christian would think
they'd better in mind body and soul for the activity.
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01 Oct 2005 10:39:04 AM |
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This is really super-old news. I wonder why anyone's bringing it up
again?
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
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Those first to step up and say,
"Now is not the time for placing blame"
...
...are quite often to blame....
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