FEAR motivating factor for Kanga Mom, Paul Danaher & Chris Barnes (Wooly Baa Lamb)



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Topic: Sociology > Education
User: "M a r k T thecatsatonthem@907323389591658754867598135"
Date: 26 Dec 2005 04:43:26 PM
Object: FEAR motivating factor for Kanga Mom, Paul Danaher & Chris Barnes (Wooly Baa Lamb)
FEAR is the motivating factor for Kanga Mom, Paul Danaher & Chris Barnes
(Wooly Baa Lamb)
HATRED and FEAR of public schools are not good reasons to homeschool!
These little friends are more interested in talking about ME than Christian
homeschooling. Why is that?
misc.education.home-school.christian is a PUBLIC newsgroup which is
"UNMODERATED and basically open to ANY and ALL HOMESCHOOLING DISCUSSIONS,
with the understanding that readers will [NOT] use ... flame throwers."
Why is that so hard for these little friends to understand and follow?
Silly little people!
.

User: ""

Title: Re: FEAR motivating factor for Kanga Mom, Paul Danaher & Chris Barnes (Wooly Baa Lamb) 27 Dec 2005 03:59:14 PM
<snipped the chronic ooze of ***** emanating from between Tindall's
ears>
The question is asked, "Why have you made the decision to homeschool?"
My answer is two words: The Trivium
When one loves a child as much as I love my son, one's decision for his
education is not borne of fear and hatred, because perfect love cannot
abide such departures from its goal. I have made the decision because
merely learning isn't a worthy enough goal for my son. Much more than
learning, I want him to think. It is my desire for him to be schooled
in the arts of grammar, logic, and rhetoric. I want him to understand
how Shakespeare employed his genious in the arts of language.
Grammar-school students in Shakespeare's time were taught to
recognize the two hundred figures of speech that Renaissance scholars
had derived from Latin and Greek sources (from amphibologia through
onomatopoeia to zeugma)? This knowledge was one element in their
thorough grounding in the liberal arts of grammar, logic, and rhetoric,
known as the trivium.
I am not puzzled that today, when the proportion of literacy throughout
the west is higher than it has ever been, people have become
susceptible to the influence of advertisement and mass propaganda to an
extent hitherto unheard of and unimagined. I do not put this down to
the mere mechanical fact that the press and the radio and so on have
made propaganda much easier to distribute over a wide area. It is not a
mere suspicion of mine that the product of modern educational methods
is not adequate in teaching students the importance of disentangling
fact from opinion and the proven from the plausible. For the sole true
end of education is simply this: to teach men how to learn for
themselves; and whatever instruction fails to do this is effort spent
in vain.
I will agree with Dorothy Sayers in this: The combined folly of a
civilization that has forgotten its own roots is forcing [teachers] to
shore up the tottering weight of an educational structure that is built
upon sand. I challenge you to name a public education institution
within commuting distance that has not dummied-down the cirriculum in
order to accomodate the lowest common denominator and provide adequate
documentation (cut & paste links won't do) for support. Otherwise, if
you'll excuse the vernacular, you should shut the hell up. Neither you,
nor the government, seeks my son's best interest. Nor do you best
understand the unique needs of my child. You and I will continue to
fight as long as you seek to impede my child's highest education. I
suspect that is why you run afoul with others who have made a decision
similar to mine.
By the way, do you ever notice that whenver you sit down in front of a
keyboard some idiot starts typing? Coincidence? I think not.
.
User: "Jani"

Title: Re: FEAR motivating factor for Kanga Mom, Paul Danaher & Chris Barnes (Wooly Baa Lamb) 27 Dec 2005 05:41:00 PM
<briangarr@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135720754.884003.108660@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


<snipped the chronic ooze of ***** emanating from between Tindall's
ears>

The question is asked, "Why have you made the decision to homeschool?"
My answer is two words: The Trivium

When one loves a child as much as I love my son, one's decision for his
education is not borne of fear and hatred, because perfect love cannot
abide such departures from its goal. I have made the decision because
merely learning isn't a worthy enough goal for my son. Much more than
learning, I want him to think. It is my desire for him to be schooled
in the arts of grammar, logic, and rhetoric. I want him to understand
how Shakespeare employed his genious in the arts of language.
Grammar-school students in Shakespeare's time were taught to
recognize the two hundred figures of speech that Renaissance scholars
had derived from Latin and Greek sources (from amphibologia through
onomatopoeia to zeugma)? This knowledge was one element in their
thorough grounding in the liberal arts of grammar, logic, and rhetoric,
known as the trivium.

I am not puzzled that today, when the proportion of literacy throughout
the west is higher than it has ever been, people have become
susceptible to the influence of advertisement and mass propaganda to an
extent hitherto unheard of and unimagined. I do not put this down to
the mere mechanical fact that the press and the radio and so on have
made propaganda much easier to distribute over a wide area. It is not a
mere suspicion of mine that the product of modern educational methods
is not adequate in teaching students the importance of disentangling
fact from opinion and the proven from the plausible. For the sole true
end of education is simply this: to teach men how to learn for
themselves; and whatever instruction fails to do this is effort spent
in vain.

I will agree with Dorothy Sayers in this: The combined folly of a
civilization that has forgotten its own roots is forcing [teachers] to
shore up the tottering weight of an educational structure that is built
upon sand. I challenge you to name a public education institution
within commuting distance that has not dummied-down the cirriculum in
order to accomodate the lowest common denominator and provide adequate
documentation (cut & paste links won't do) for support. Otherwise, if
you'll excuse the vernacular, you should shut the hell up. Neither you,
nor the government, seeks my son's best interest. Nor do you best
understand the unique needs of my child. You and I will continue to
fight as long as you seek to impede my child's highest education. I
suspect that is why you run afoul with others who have made a decision
similar to mine.

By the way, do you ever notice that whenver you sit down in front of a
keyboard some idiot starts typing? Coincidence? I think not.

Now, see, if one of my students had handed that in as part of an original
piece of work, they'd have been very harshly carpeted for lack of citation
amounting to plagiarism. *Not* setting a good example there, Brian ;)
Jani
.
User: "M a r k T thecatspatonthem@01"

Title: Re: FEAR motivating factor for Kanga Mom, Paul Danaher & Chris Barnes (Wooly Baa Lamb) 27 Dec 2005 05:52:57 PM
"Jani" wrote:

I will agree with Dorothy Sayers

.....

Now, see, if one of my students had handed that in as part of an original
piece of work, they'd have been very harshly carpeted for lack of citation
amounting to plagiarism. *Not* setting a good example there, Brian ;)

Exactly!
I've read (and own) most of Dorothy L. Sayer's books ... and own a copy of
the article Brian is referring to. The article must be read in context with
her times. A lot has happened since then! I like Dorothy L. Sayer's
apologetics and radio plays best. Though Lord Peter Whimsey was an
interesting character. She was a High Anglican and definiotely NOT a
fundamentalist.
Dorothy L. Sayers used to get very angry with anyone who missed the "L." as
her middle letter ...and therefore would not be amused by Brian.
--
misc.education.home-school.christian FAQ
1. misc.education.home-school.misc is NOT a forum for the discussion of ANY
aspects of home-schooling ... it's there to abuse newbies, state education
and professional teachers
2. One should ALWAYS complain about what someone else finds home-school
related.
3. misc.education.home-school.christian is a PUBLIC newsgroup which is
"UNMODERATED ......... BUT basically NOT open to ANY HOMESCHOOLING
DISCUSSIONS, with the understanding that readers will DEFINITELY use flame
throwers."
4. One should discuss PEOPLE rather than Christian homeschooling
Just like the regular Trew Homeskoola Thugs are now doing on
misc.education.home-school.christian
.




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