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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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27 Aug 2007 03:40:38 PM |
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Gay Unions in Medieval Times Prove Churches Can't be Blamed |
For centuries, Christianity has been blamed with historians saying
that the conditions were bad due to the influence of the church. Yet,
a new historical report out today says that gay unions were common and
sanctioned in the medieval times, during the SAME period of time that
the church was condemning it. Thus, churches had a lot less influence
on the governments than has been reported.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Unions in Medieval Times Prove Churches Can't be Blamed |
27 Aug 2007 06:02:56 PM |
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In article <1188247238.667604.205160@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
For centuries, Christianity has been blamed with historians saying
that the conditions were bad due to the influence of the church. Yet,
a new historical report out today says that gay unions were common and
sanctioned in the medieval times, during the SAME period of time that
the church was condemning it. Thus, churches had a lot less influence
on the governments than has been reported.
"the governments"?
You mean the government of a single country -- France? --
at one historical era, the Late Medieval period?
-- cary
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| User: "ZerkonX" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Unions in Medieval Times Prove Churches Can't be Blamed |
29 Aug 2007 07:52:03 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:40:38 -0700, Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
For centuries, Christianity has..
never been some monolithic set of uniform beliefs. From the first
gathering of a western church power at Nicea in 325 A.D the entire effort
was to attempt uniformity but this effort never truly succeeded. The only
success it has had was by the use of political and military force.
Many christians and so call atheists of today really need to start
learning more about what they are trying to talk about.
On the one hand christians fool themselves into thinking that there is
such a thing as 'a'(read: 1) christian belief system. This defies logic,
history and the current condition. The only way they are able to conjure
up such a falsehood is to position themselves as being 'victimized' which
serves to amalgamate all those messy details of difference. Now, where
have we heard this before?? Oh yes... from the atheists!
On the other hand not only do many 'atheists' attack christianity as if
it were some uniform monster, their entire belief is little more than a
reaction, so they, in fact, need christianity, or their image of such, to
define themselves. They are self-anointed victims also and so claim
the traditional divine rights of victim-hood also.
But, of course, the topic at hand is sex. Duh. surprise (not!). It seems
to me that both the howling atheists and raging christians are pretty much
in a cozy little circle jerk that they want all of us to watch...
(alt.education,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.politics.usa.constitution,
alt.politics.elections)...
I suggest a new NG alt.athians.circle.jerks.*****.off
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Unions in Medieval Times Prove Churches Can't be Blamed |
27 Aug 2007 07:34:08 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
For centuries, Christianity has been blamed with historians saying
that the conditions were bad due to the influence of the church. Yet,
a new historical report out today says that gay unions were common and
sanctioned in the medieval times, during the SAME period of time that
the church was condemning it. Thus, churches had a lot less influence
on the governments than has been reported.
You apparently didn't understand. if there were "gay unions" that
were common and sanctioned in medieval times, they were sanctioned by
the church. In most of Europe, the church and the government were one
and the same.
lojbab
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Unions in Medieval Times Prove Churches Can't be Blamed |
28 Aug 2007 08:25:01 AM |
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On Aug 27, 7:34 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
For centuries, Christianity has been blamed with historians saying
that the conditions were bad due to the influence of the church. Yet,
a new historical report out today says that gay unions were common and
sanctioned in the medieval times, during the SAME period of time that
the church was condemning it. Thus, churches had a lot less influence
on the governments than has been reported.
You apparently didn't understand. if there were "gay unions" that
were common and sanctioned in medieval times, they were sanctioned by
the church. In most of Europe, the church and the government were one
and the same.
lojbab
We have historical record from the church of that period that says
otherwise. Read the article and the history and try again.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "SueDoeCyAnts" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Unions in Medieval Times Prove Churches Can't be Blamed |
03 Sep 2007 01:51:28 PM |
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on Mon 27 Aug 2007 01:40:38p
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> posted
in news:1188247238.667604.205160@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
For centuries, Christianity has been blamed with historians
saying that the conditions were bad due to the influence of the
church. Yet, a new historical report out today says that gay
unions were common and sanctioned in the medieval times, during
the SAME period of time that the church was condemning it.
Thus, churches had a lot less influence on the governments than
has been reported.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Which also offers evidence that the commonplace heretical belief
prevalent in contemporary Christian Theory, antinomianism, can be
found in all manifestations of Christians sects across time.
In other news: following his successful treatment for homosexuality,
served up with a heaping helping of methamphetamine, in a program
that used Pat Robetson's patented methodology best known as:
"If I catch you coveting my johnson,
I'm gonna nuke your foggy bottom!"
The RevvedEnd Ted Haggard has decided to initiate a new foreign
missionary organization in an effort to warn the world about the
dangers that come with telling the devil: "get behind me". At
today's press conference Haggard also said that he had put out
exploratory feelers to the newest uncloseted Republican mover,
Senator 'Potty-Peeper' Craig, asking him to join in
Le ministère du poing deux fumeur de pipe l'hypocrite
---
(yeah, i am aware of my ***** poor ability to parse French,
and am open for alternative suggestions)
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Unions in Medieval Times Prove Churches Can't be Blamed |
05 Oct 2007 03:10:24 PM |
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who were these people who sanctioned gay unions?
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188247238.667604.205160@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
For centuries, Christianity has been blamed with historians saying
that the conditions were bad due to the influence of the church. Yet,
a new historical report out today says that gay unions were common and
sanctioned in the medieval times, during the SAME period of time that
the church was condemning it. Thus, churches had a lot less influence
on the governments than has been reported.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Unions in Medieval Times Prove Churches Can't be Blamed |
06 Oct 2007 12:29:20 AM |
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
who were these people who sanctioned gay unions?
It appears that he is referring to this
http://50connect.co.uk/index.asp?main=http%3A//50connect.co.uk/50c/articlepages/genealogy_index.asp%3Fsc%3Dhist%26aID%3D16420
Obviously the legal system accepted such unions, and since there was
no separation of church and state, that also means that the church of
the time accepted it. The article does not say that the church of the
time was condemning it; indeed the article pretty much implies that
church condemnation of gay unions is a modern phenomenon and not a
medieval one, though one would have to read the actual paper to see if
they even said anything about church condemnation.
It sounds like Kennie failed to understand what he read yet again.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188247238.667604.205160@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
For centuries, Christianity has been blamed with historians saying
that the conditions were bad due to the influence of the church. Yet,
a new historical report out today says that gay unions were common and
sanctioned in the medieval times, during the SAME period of time that
the church was condemning it. Thus, churches had a lot less influence
on the governments than has been reported.
lojbab
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| User: "Razzle Fratz" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Unions in Medieval Times Prove Churches Can't be Blamed |
06 Oct 2007 06:04:38 PM |
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Medieval? Witch burning? Black Plague? The Inquisition? Homosexual
marriage?
It all fits!!!
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:bo6eg3l0hrcqdlihkv7jdai9o6lvealib5@4ax.com...
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
who were these people who sanctioned gay unions?
It appears that he is referring to this
http://50connect.co.uk/index.asp?main=http%3A//50connect.co.uk/50c/articlepages/genealogy_index.asp%3Fsc%3Dhist%26aID%3D16420
Obviously the legal system accepted such unions, and since there was
no separation of church and state, that also means that the church of
the time accepted it. The article does not say that the church of the
time was condemning it; indeed the article pretty much implies that
church condemnation of gay unions is a modern phenomenon and not a
medieval one, though one would have to read the actual paper to see if
they even said anything about church condemnation.
It sounds like Kennie failed to understand what he read yet again.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188247238.667604.205160@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
For centuries, Christianity has been blamed with historians saying
that the conditions were bad due to the influence of the church. Yet,
a new historical report out today says that gay unions were common and
sanctioned in the medieval times, during the SAME period of time that
the church was condemning it. Thus, churches had a lot less influence
on the governments than has been reported.
lojbab
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| User: "eldorado" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Unions in Medieval Times Prove Churches Can't be Blamed |
06 Oct 2007 04:51:04 PM |
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
who were these people who sanctioned gay unions?
It appears that he is referring to this
http://50connect.co.uk/index.asp?main=http%3A//50connect.co.uk/50c/articlepages/genealogy_index.asp%3Fsc%3Dhist%26aID%3D16420
Obviously the legal system accepted such unions, and since there was
no separation of church and state, that also means that the church of
the time accepted it. The article does not say that the church of the
time was condemning it; indeed the article pretty much implies that
church condemnation of gay unions is a modern phenomenon and not a
medieval one, though one would have to read the actual paper to see if
they even said anything about church condemnation.
It sounds like Kennie failed to understand what he read yet again.
I believe that Kennie would like to live in a religious country where
there are no homosexuals - like iraq.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188247238.667604.205160@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
For centuries, Christianity has been blamed with historians saying
that the conditions were bad due to the influence of the church. Yet,
a new historical report out today says that gay unions were common and
sanctioned in the medieval times, during the SAME period of time that
the church was condemning it. Thus, churches had a lot less influence
on the governments than has been reported.
lojbab
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