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Topic:	Sociology > Education
User:	"Jd"
Date:	26 Oct 2005 06:21:21 PM
Object:	Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca

Wednesday, 17:30 (10/26/05)
TEHRAN, Iran - President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared Wednesday that
Israel is a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the map" —
fiery words that Washington said underscores its concern over
Iran's nuclear program.
Ahmadinejad's speech to thousands of students at a "World without
Zionism" conference set a hard-line foreign policy course sharply at
odds with that of his moderate predecessor, echoing the sentiments of
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder of Iran's Islamic revolution.
(NASSER KARIMI, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 47 minutes ago)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051026/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_israel_6
They are without doubt of the hellbent for suicide type just as the
komokazi Japs were.
I say let's let them know that we will be more than happy to engage
them in a real "religious war" (or Jihad) by first taking out their
nuke facilities in Iran then Mecca and Medina if necesary.
The strike on Iran should definately come immediately seeing that the
idjuts over there will only become more emboldened if we do nothing.
It worked on the Japs and unfortunately, it's the only thing suicidal
idjuts understand.
Why is it that the Muslim idjuts who own all of the middle east except
for the tiny strip of land known as Isreal, are so intolerant of
Israel and......... have the sympathy of America leftists who also
hate Christians, Jews and anything of western civilzation?
Jd
"No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life;
that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier."
(2timothy2:4)
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User: ""
Title: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	27 Oct 2005 10:04:20 AM

The Middle East is just the sphincter of the Earth. The only good
thing that comes out of there is the gas for my car. Could you imagine
how even more screwed up the middle east would be if they had no oil?
They would be ignored like most of Africa and decend into chaos.
Unfortunately, thats not the case. If we weened ourselves off of gas we
could just ignore the middle east and let them rot in hell. Best thing
is, it wouldn't cost us billions of dollars :)
gasmonso
http://www.religiousfreaks.com
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User: "Jd"
Title: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	31 Oct 2005 09:10:54 PM

wrote:

Well, I think you may have overlooked the fact that America is by and
large a Christian nation (85% or so).
Christians support Israel.
If you have a problem with that, you have a problem with God and His
Holy Covenant.
"And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth
thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. So Abram
departed, as the Lord had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and
Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran."
(Genesis 12:3-4)
Now before you reply, grit your teeth and clench your fists. Try...
with all the power you have, to ignore the voices you're hearing and
concentrate on TRUTH.
For example:
"I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt,
from the house of bondage.Thou shalt have none other gods before me."
(Deuteronomy 5:6-7)

(The above doesn't apply if you're a servant of sin and sin has you
all bound up.)
Jd
John 8:34 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin
is the servant of sin." - Jesus

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User: "Topaz"
Title: Re: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	02 Nov 2005 01:59:10 PM

Jews claim to be the people of the Old Testament (the Israelites)
because they have the Jewish religion. This proves nothing. People
change their religion. The Edomites and the Khazars became Jewish but
they are not Israelites by race:
Encyclopedia Americana 1956
"HYRCANUS...John....a Jewish high priest...he next overcame the
Idumaeans and obliged them to submit to Judaism."
"Idumaean" is Greek for Edomite. The Edomites became Jews in 100
BC and are known as Jews today.
And the New Jewish Encyclopedia, edited by David Bridger, PH.D in
association with Samual Wolk, Rabbi, J.S.D, copyright 1962, Published
by Behrman House, inc.,1261 Broadway, New York 1, N.Y., Library of
Congress Catalog Card Number: 62-17079, says on page 266:
"Bulan, the pagan ruler of the Khazars, in his desire to embrace the
'true religion' had summoned representatives of Christian, Moslem, and
Jewish faiths to expound their views on the superiority of their
respective religions. Bulan thus became convinced of the truth of the
Jewish faith, and he, as well as many of his noblemen, embraced
Judaism, which later spread widely among the common people of the
Khazar kingdom."
The Edomites and the Khazars became Jews and the real Israelites
changed their religion and became Christians.
Christ said in Mathew 15:24 "I am not sent but unto the lost
sheep of the house of Israel."
He came for the chosen race and sheep are a symbol for the chosen
race, but this is what He said to the Jews:
John 10:26+27 "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as
I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they
follow me"
This means the real Israelites converted to Christianity. This
explains why Europe became known as Christendom.
The Israelites were direct descendants of Adam, who was the
first White man. The Hebrew word "adam" describes a White man. We are
not the color white like milk. We are a light skinned race and the
light skin allows blood, the color red to show in the cheeks. This is
the definition of the word "adam" in Strong's Concordance:

"to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:- be
(dyed, made) red (ruddy)."
This can only be describing a White man. Look at people today
and see which ones have rosy red cheeks. They are light skinned White
people. The Israelites were White.
The Bible says David was ruddy. This is the definition of the
Hebrew word "ruddy":
"reddish (of the hair or of the complexion):-red, ruddy."
David had rosy cheeks (or red hair) and did not look like a
typical Jew.
The Bible says the Israelites would be a blessing to the world.
It is the White race that invented all the great things and advanced
civilization on the earth.
The Bible tells us that the Jews are imposters.
Revelation 2:9 "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews,
and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
Many verses tell us that Jews are our enemies. Here is one
example:
John 7:1 "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee; for he would
not walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him."
The Jews have been expelled from every Christian nation in
Europe at one time or another. Many people know that they are enemies
of White civilization. But not everyone knows the reason. It is
because they are not the chosen race and they hate those who really
are the chosen race.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
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User: "Pastor Dave"
Title: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	02 Nov 2005 02:39:39 PM

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:59:10 -0600, Topaz
<mars1933@hotmail.com> spake thusly:

Jews claim to be the people of the Old Testament (the Israelites)
because they have the Jewish religion. This proves nothing. People
change their religion.

God chose a people, not a religion. He then gave those
people His Commandments.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
The end timers believe in a literal, physical
New Jerusalem. But is that what Scripture teaches?
No, it doesn't! So what is the New Jerusalem? It
is amazing what the end timers miss, especially
since it is stated clearly that the New Jerusalem
is the bride of Christ, the church.
Revelation 21:1,9-10
1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth. For the
first heaven and the first earth had passed away.
9) And one of the seven angels who had the seven
vials full of the seven last plagues came to me and
talked with me, saying, Come here, I will show you
the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10) And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great
and high mountain and showed me that great city, the
holy Jerusalem, descending out of Heaven from God
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User: "Pastor Dave"
Title: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	02 Nov 2005 02:40:15 PM

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:39:41 -0500, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> spake thusly:

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:59:10 -0600, Topaz
<mars1933@hotmail.com> spake thusly:

Jews claim to be the people of the Old Testament (the Israelites)
because they have the Jewish religion. This proves nothing. People
change their religion.

God chose a people, not a religion. He then gave those
people His Commandments.

To add: It doesn't matter if they followed those
commandments or not. He chose the people
and made a Promise to that people.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
The end timers believe in a literal, physical
New Jerusalem. But is that what Scripture teaches?
No, it doesn't! So what is the New Jerusalem? It
is amazing what the end timers miss, especially
since it is stated clearly that the New Jerusalem
is the bride of Christ, the church.
Revelation 21:1,9-10
1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth. For the
first heaven and the first earth had passed away.
9) And one of the seven angels who had the seven
vials full of the seven last plagues came to me and
talked with me, saying, Come here, I will show you
the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10) And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great
and high mountain and showed me that great city, the
holy Jerusalem, descending out of Heaven from God
.

User: "Topaz"
Title: Re: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	02 Nov 2005 05:09:42 PM

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:40:15 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

To add: It doesn't matter if they followed those
commandments or not. He chose the people
and made a Promise to that people.

WHY JUDEO-CHRISTIANS SUPPORT WAR
C. E. Carlson
The French author, Alexis de Tocqueville, wrote "Democracy in America"
when he traveled here in the first third of the 19th Century. In
ringing tones he sang the praises of America's invulnerable strength
and spirit. He attributed its greatness to its citizens' sense of
morality... even with the abundant church attendances he observed in
America. De Tocqueville wrote in French and is credited with this
familiar quote: "AMERICA IS GREAT BECAUSE SHE IS GOOD, and if America
ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great."
De Tocqueville could see the power of America, but he could not have
known in 1830 that she was soon to be under an attack aimed at its
churches and the very sense of morality that he extolled.
First, there was a War Between the States, which scarred the powerful
young nation in its strapping youth. A worse attack on America was to
commence near the turn of the 20th century. This was the onset of an
attack on American Christianity that continues unabated against the
traditional, Christ-following church. This attack, which author
Gordon Ginn calls "The final Apostasy", began with a small very
wealthy and determined European political movement. It had a dream,
and the American churches stood in its way.
The World Zionist movement, as its Jewish founders called themselves,
had plans to acquire a homeland for all Jews worldwide, even though
most were far from homeless, and many did not want another home. Not
any land would do. World Zionists wanted a specific property that
American Christians called "the Holy Land." But if these Zionists
read "Democracy in America" or any of the journals of any of America's
churches, which no doubt they did, they could not help but know that
Jerusalem was not theirs to have. As self proclaimed Jews, they were,
according to the Christian New Testament, the persecutors of Christ
and most of his early followers, and the engineers of his crucifixion.
America's traditional churches in the 19th Century would never stand
for a Jewish occupation of Jesus' homeland.
World Zionist leaders initiated a program to change America and its
religious orientation. One of the tools used to accomplish this goal
was an obscure and malleable Civil War veteran named Cyrus I.
Schofield. A much larger tool was a venerable, world respected
European book publisher The Oxford University Press.
The scheme was to alter the Christian view of Zionism by creating and
promoting a pro-Zionist subculture within Christianity. Scofield's
role was to re-write the King James Version of the Bible by inserting
Zionist-friendly notes in the margins, between verses and chapters,
and on the bottoms of the pages. The Oxford University Press used
Scofield, a pastor by then, as the Editor, probably because it needed
such as man for a front. The revised bible was called the Scofield
Reference Bible, and with limitless advertising and promotion, it
became a best-selling "bible" in America and has remained so for 90
years.
The Scofield Reference Bible was not to be just another translation,
subverting minor passages a little at a time. No, Scofield produced a
revolutionary book that radically changed the context of the King
James Version. It was designed to create a subculture around a new
worship icon, the modern State of Israel, a state that did not yet
exist, but which was already on the drawing boards of the committed,
well-funded authors of World Zionism.
Scofield's support came from a movement that took root around the turn
of the century, supposedly motivated by disillusionment over what it
considered the stagnation of the mainline American churches. Some of
these "reformers" were later to serve on Scofield's Editorial
Committee.
Scofield imitated a chain of past heretics and rapturists, most of
whose credibility fizzled over their faulty end times prophesies. His
mentor was one John Nelson Darby from Scotland, who was associated
with the Plymouth Brethren and who made no less than six evangelical
trips to the US selling what is today called "Darbyism". It is from
Darby that Scofield is thought to have learned his Christian Zionist
theology, which he later planted in the footnotes of the Scofield
Reference Bible. It is possible that Scofield's interest in Darbyism
was shared by Oxford University Press, for Darby was known to Oxford
University.

The Oxford University Press owned "The Scofield Reference Bible" from
the beginning, as indicated by its copyright, and Scofield stated he
received handsome royalties from Oxford. Oxford's advertisers and
promoters succeeded in making Scofield's bible, with its Christian
Zionist footnotes, a standard for interpreting scripture in
Judeo-Christian churches, seminaries, and Bible study groups. It has
been published in at least four editions since its introduction in
1908 and remains one of the largest selling Bibles ever.
The Scofield Reference Bible and its several clones is all but
worshiped in the ranks of celebrity Christians, beginning with the
first media icon, evangelist Billy Graham. Of particular importance
to the Zionist penetration of American Christian churches has been the
fast growth of national bible study organizations, such as Bible Study
Fellowship and Precept Ministries. These draw millions of students
from not only evangelical fundamentalist churches, but also from
Catholic and mainline Protestant churches and non-church contacts.
These invariably teach forms of "dispensationalism," which draw their
theory, to various degrees, from the notes in the Oxford Bible.
Among more traditional churches that encourage, and in some cases
recommend, the use of the Scofield Reference Bible is the huge
Southern Baptist Convention of America, whose capture is World
Zionism's crowning achievement.

Scofield, whose work is largely believed to be the product of Darby
and others, wisely chose not to change the text of the King James
Edition. Instead, he added hundreds of easy to read footnotes at the
bottom of about half of the pages, and as the Old English grammar of
the KJE becomes increasingly difficult for progressive generations of
readers, students become increasingly dependent on the modern language
footnotes...
Scofield's borrowed ideas were later popularized under
the labels and definitions that have evolved into common usage
today pre-millennialism," "dispensationalism," "Judeo-Christianity,"
and most recently the highly political movement openly called
"Christian Zionism."
Thanks to the work of a few dedicated researchers, much of the
questionable personal history of Cyrus I. Scofield is available. It
reveals he was not a Bible scholar as one might expect, but a
political animal with the charm and talent for self promotion of a
Bill Clinton. Scofield's background reveals a criminal history, a
deserted wife, a wrecked family, and a penchant for self serving lies.
He was exactly the sort of man the World Zionists might hire to bend
Christian thought, a controllable man and one capable of carrying the
secret to his grave. (See The Incredible Scofield and His Book by
Joseph M. Canfield).
Other researchers have examined Scofield's eschatology and exposed his
original work as apostate and heretic to traditional Christian views.
Among these is a massive work by Stephen Sizer entitled Christian
Zionism, Its History, Theology and Politics.
(http://virginiawater.org.uk/christchurch)
We Hold These Truths is grateful to these dedicated researchers. Our
own examination of the Oxford Bible has gone in another direction,
focusing not on what Scofield wrote, but on some of the many additions
and deletions The Oxford University Press has continued to make to
Scofield Reference Bible since his death in 1921. These alterations
have further radicalized the Scofield Bible into a manual for the
Christian worship of the State of Israel beyond what Schofield would
have dreamed of. This un-Christian anti-Arab theology has permitted
the theft of Palestine and 54 years of death and destruction against
the Palestinians, with hardly a complaint from the Judeo-Christian
mass media evangelists or most other American church leaders. We
thank God for the exceptions.
It is no exaggeration to say that the 1967 Oxford 4th Edition
deifies--makes a God of--the State of Israel, a state that did not
even exist when Scofield wrote the original footnotes in 1908. This
writer believes that, had it not been for misguided anti-Arab race
hatred promoted by Christian Zionist leaders in America, neither the
Gulf War nor the Israeli war against the Palestinians would have
occurred, and a million or more people who have perished would be
alive today.
What proof does WHTT have to incriminate World Zionism in a scheme to
control Christianity? For proof we offer the words themselves that
were planted in the 1967 Edition, 20 years after the State of Israel
was created in 1947, and 46 years after Scofield's death. The words
tell us that those who control the Oxford Press recreated a bible to
misguide Christians and sell flaming Zionism in the churches of
America.
There is little reason to believe that Scofield knew or cared much
about the Zionist movement, but at some point, he became involved in a
close and secret relationship with Samuel Untermeyer, a New York
lawyer whose firm still exists today and one of the wealthiest and
most powerful World Zionists in America. Untermeyer controlled the
unbreakable thread that connected him with Scofield. They shared a
password and a common watering hole, and it appears that Untermeyer
may have been the one who provided the money that Scofield himself
lacked. Scofield's success as an international bible editor without
portfolio and his lavish living in Europe could only have been
accomplished with financial aid and international influence.
This connection might have remained hidden, were it not for the work
of Joseph M. Canfield, the author and researcher who discovered clues
to the thread in Scofield family papers. But even had the threads
connecting Scofield to Untermeyer and Zionism never been exposed, it
would still be obvious that that connection was there. It is
significant that Oxford, not Scofield, owned the book, and that after
Scofield's death, Oxford accelerated changes to it. Since the death
of its original author and namesake, The Scofield Reference Bible has
gone through several editions. Massive pro-Zionist notes were added
to the 1967 edition, and some of Scofield's most significant notes
from the original editions were removed where they apparently failed
to further Zionist aims fast enough. Yet this edition retains the
title, "The New Scofield Reference Bible, Holy Bible, Editor C.I.
Scofield." It's anti-Arab, Christian subculture theology has made an
enormous contribution to war, turning Christians into participants in
genocide against Arabs in the latter half of the 20th century.
The most convincing evidence of the unseen Zionist hand that wrote the
Scofield notes to the venerable King James Bible is the content of the
notes themselves, for only Zionists could have written them. These
notes are the subject of this paper.
Oxford edited the former 1945 Edition of SRB in 1967, at the time of
the Six Day War when Israel occupied Palestine. The new footnotes to
the King James Bible presumptuously granted the rights to the
Palestinians' land to the State of Israel and specifically denied the
Arab Palestinians any such rights at all. One of the most brazen and
outrageous of these NEWLY INSERTED footnotes states:
"FOR A NATION TO COMMIT THE SIN OF ANTI-SEMITISM BRINGS INEVITABLE
JUDGMENT." (page 19﷓20, footnote (3) to Genesis 12:3.) (our
emphasis
added)
This statement sounds like something from Ariel Sharon, or the Chief
Rabbi in Tel Aviv, or Theodore Herzl, the founder of Modern Zionism.
But these exact words are found between the covers of the 1967 Edition
of the Oxford Bible that is followed by millions of American
churchgoers and students and is used by their leaders as a source for
their preaching and teaching...
All of this language, including the prophecy about the future being
really bad for those who "persecute the Jews," reflects and furthers
the goals of the Anti-Defamation League, which has a stated goal of
creating an environment where opposing the State of Israel is
considered "anti-Semitism," and "anti-Semitism" is a "hate crime"
punishable by law. This dream has become a reality in the Christian
Zionist churches of America. Only someone with these goals could have
written this footnote...
It is tempting to engage in academic arguments to show readers the
lack of logic in Scofield's theology, which has led followers of
Christ so far astray. It seems all too easy to refute the various
Bible references given in support of Scofield's strange writings. But
we will resist the temptation to do this, because others have already
done it quite well, and more importantly because it leads us off our
course.
It is also inviting to dig into Scofield's sordid past as Canfield has
done, revealing him to be a convicted felon and probable pathological
liar, but we leave that to others, because our interest is not in
Scofield's life, but in saving the lives of millions of innocent
people who are threatened by the continuing Zionist push for perpetual
war.
Instead, we will examine the words on their face. The words in these
1967 footnotes are Zionist propaganda that has been tacked onto the
text of a Christian Bible. Most of them make no sense, except to
support the Zionist State of Israel in its war against the
Palestinians and any other wars it may enter into. In this purpose,
Zionism has completely succeeded. American Judeo-Christians, more
recently labeled "Christian Zionists," have remained mute during wars
upon Israel's enemies in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia and
elsewhere. It is past time to stop the spilling of more blood, some
of it Christian blood...

And what is it that Scofield said that did not satisfy the Zionists
who rewrote the Oxford 1967 Edition?
The answer is an easy one. Most Arab and Islamic scholars consider
Arabs in general and the Prophet Mohamed in particular to be direct
descendants of Ishmael, Abraham's first son and older half-brother of
Isaac, whose son Jacob was later to become known as "Israel." Many
Arabs believe that through Ishmael they are co-heirs of to Abraham's
promise, and they correctly believe that present day Israelis have no
Biblical right to steal their land. Jewish Talmudic folklore also
speaks of Ishmael, so the Zionists apparently felt they had to alter
how Christians viewed the two half brothers in order to prevent
Christians from siding with the Arabs over the land theft.
The Zionists solved this dilemma by inserting a senseless footnote in
the 1967 (Oxford) Scofield Reference Bible which, in effect,
substitutes the word "Jews" for the words "The Israelitish people and
Ishmaelitish people," as Scofield originally wrote it. The
Israelitish and Ishmaelitish people lived 3000 years ago, but the
Zionists want to claim the Arabs' part of the presumed birthright
right now! Read it again; "all Jews are natural descendants of
Abraham, but are not necessarily his spiritual posterity."
And there is more of such boondogglery in the Oxford bible. On the
same page 1137 we find yet another brand new Zionist-friendly note
referring to the New Testament book of John 8:37.
"(2) 8:44 THAT THIS SATANIC FATHERHOOD CANNOT BE LIMITED TO THE
PHARISEES IS MADE CLEAR IN 1Jn3:8" (note SRB 1967 Edition, P1137 to
John 8:44)
Let us look at the verse Oxford is trying to soften, wherein Jesus is
speaking directly to the Pharisees, who were the Jewish leaders of his
day, and to no one else:
"YE ARE OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL, AND THE LUST OF YOUR FATHER YE WILL
DO. HE WAS A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, AND ABODE NOT IN THE TRUTH,
BECAUSE THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. WHEN HE SPEAKEST A LIE, HE SPEAKEST
OF HIS OWN; FOR HE IS A LIAR, AND THE FATHER OF IT." John 8:44 King
James Ed.)
Those are plain words. No wonder the Zionists wanted to dilute what
Jesus said. Not only did Oxford add a new footnote in 1967, but they
inserted no less than four reference cues into the King James sacred
text, directing readers to their specious, apostate footnotes. It
seems the Zionists cannot deny what Jesus said about Pharisees, but
they do not want to bear the burden of being "sons of Satan" all by
themselves. Now here's the text of the verse to which Oxford refers
in order to try to solve this problem:
"HE THAT COMMITETH SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; FOR THE DEVIL SINNETH FROM THE
BEGINNING. FOR THIS PURPOSE THE SON OF GOD WAS MANIFESTED, THAT HE
MIGHT DESTROY THE WORK OF THE DEVIL." (1Jn3:8.King James Edition)
Fine, but this verse, spoken by Jesus to His followers in a speech
about avoiding sin, in no way supports Oxford's argument that Jesus
was not talking directly to and about the Pharisee leaders when he
called them "Sons of Satan" in John 8:44. It is a different book
written at a different time to a different audience. This is typical
Christian Zionist diversion.
To find out to whom Jesus is speaking you must read the rest of John
8, not something from another book. Furthermore, John 8:44 is only
one of some 77 verses where Jesus confronted the Pharisees by name and
in many cases addressed them as "satanic" and as "vipers." Oxford
simply ignores most of these denunciations by Jesus, adding no notes
at all, and the Christian Zionists go along without question.
(The New Jewish Encyclopedia, edited by David Bridger, PH.D in
association with Samual Wolk, Rabbi, J.S.D, copyright 1962, Published
by Behrman House, inc.,1261 Broadway, New York 1, N.Y., Library of
Congress Catalog Card Number: 62-17079, says on page 376:
"The Pharisees are therefore regarded as those authorities who helped
develop and preserve traditional Judaism as it is known today.")
These are a few examples of Zionist perversions of scripture that have
shaped the doctrine of America's most politically powerful religious
subculture, the "Christian Zionists" as Ariel Sharon calls them, or
the dispensationalists, as intellectual followers call themselves, or
the Judeo-Christians as our politically-correct politicians describe
themselves. Today's Mid-East wars are not caused by the
predisposition of the peoples, who are no more warlike than any human
tribes. Without the pandering to Jewish and Zionist interests that is
carried out by this subculture--the most vocal being the celebrity
Christian evangelists--there would be no such wars, for there is not
enough support for war outside of organized Zionist Christianity.
Reverend Stephen Sizer of Christ Church, England
is perhaps the most dedicated new
scholar writing about the Scofield Bible craze, popularly known as
Christian Zionism. He has quipped, "Judging Christianity by looking
at the American Evangelists is kind of like judging the British by
watching Benny Hill."
Reverend Sizer's remark brings to mind another Benny; his name is
Benny Hinn, not a British comic, but an American evangelist spouting
inflammatory hate-filled words aimed at Muslims everywhere. Hinn was
speaking to the applause of an aroused crowd of thousands in the
American Airline Center in Dallas when he shocked two Ft. Worth Star
Telegram religious reporters covering the July 3d event by announcing,
"We are on God's side," speaking of Palestine. He shouted, "This is
not a war between Jews and Arabs. It is a war between God and the
Devil." Lest there be any doubt about it, Hinn was talking about a
blood war in which the Israelis are "God" and the Palestinians are
"the Devil."
Benny Hinn is one of hundreds of acknowledged Christian Zionists who
have no problem spouting outright race hatred and who join in
unconditional support for Israel without regard for which or how many
of Israel's enemies are killed or crippled. His boldness stems from
his knowledge that the vast majority of professing Christians from
whom he seeks his lavish support-the Judeo-Christians, or Christian
Zionists--do not shrink at his words, because they have been
conditioned to accept them, just as Roman citizens learned to accept
Christian persecution, even burning alive, under Nero. Several
evangelists in attendance affirmed their agreement with Hinn "the
line between Christians and Muslims is the difference between good and
evil."
An amazing number of professing Christians are in agreement with the
fanatical likes of Hinn, including Gary Bauer, Ralph Reed, James
Dobson and hundreds more. Yet Hinn's profit-seeking fanaticism is not
as shocking as that of men like Richard Land of the Southern Baptist
Convention who occupy the highest positions in the area of
conservative religious thought. Land may have stopped short of
branding all Muslims as devils, but he attacked their leader and
Prophet and stated that, according to Baptist Bible interpretation,
the Palestinian people have no legal rights to property in Palestine.
(see note)...

Christian Zionism may be the most bloodthirsty apostasy in the entire
history of Christianity or any other religion. Shame on its leaders:
they have already brought the blood of untold numbers innocent people
down upon the spires and prayer benches of America's churches.
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User: "Pastor Dave"
Title: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	02 Nov 2005 08:32:08 PM

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:09:42 -0600, Topaz
<mars1933@hotmail.com> spake thusly:

To add: It doesn't matter if they followed those
commandments or not. He chose the people
and made a Promise to that people.

WHY JUDEO-CHRISTIANS SUPPORT WAR
C. E. Carlson

I don't care what someone's opinion is of why they think
Jews support war, which is an opinion in of itself. You
made the following statement...
"Jews claim to be the people of the Old Testament
(the Israelites) because they have the Jewish religion.
"This proves nothing. People change their religion."
That statement was in error and I told you why. So
if your posts are an anti-Jewish sentiment, then you
can take it and foist it on someone else.
As for the land, there never was any such thing as
"Palestine" and so, that name itself is in error. The
Jews took the land many centuries before any such
name was even proposed and archaeology verifies
that they were there long before those now trying
to lay claim to it and pretend that they were there
before the Jews. So revisionist history doesn't work
on me. And even if the Jews had only taken it in
1948 for the first time, to the conquerors go the
spoils. The conquerors own the land and if that
is not true, then everyone in the United States
(which would be a false name at that point), except
the Indians, needs to pack up and go home and
get out of their (the Indians) land.
And with that, I'm out.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
The end timers believe in a literal, physical
New Jerusalem. But is that what Scripture teaches?
No, it doesn't! So what is the New Jerusalem? It
is amazing what the end timers miss, especially
since it is stated clearly that the New Jerusalem
is the bride of Christ, the church.
Revelation 21:1,9-10
1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth. For the
first heaven and the first earth had passed away.
9) And one of the seven angels who had the seven
vials full of the seven last plagues came to me and
talked with me, saying, Come here, I will show you
the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10) And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great
and high mountain and showed me that great city, the
holy Jerusalem, descending out of Heaven from God
.

User: "Topaz"
Title: Re: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	03 Nov 2005 05:19:57 PM

On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:32:08 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

This is what you posted.

God chose a people, not a religion. He then gave those
people His Commandments.
To add: It doesn't matter if they followed those
commandments or not. He chose the people
and made a Promise to that people.

Which people do you think God chose?
Jews claim to be the people of the Old Testament (the Israelites)
because they have the Jewish religion. This proves nothing. People
change their religion. The Edomites and the Khazars became Jewish but
they are not Israelites by race:
Encyclopedia Americana 1956
"HYRCANUS...John....a Jewish high priest...he next overcame the
Idumaeans and obliged them to submit to Judaism."
"Idumaean" is Greek for Edomite. The Edomites became Jews in 100
BC and are known as Jews today.
And the New Jewish Encyclopedia, edited by David Bridger, PH.D in
association with Samual Wolk, Rabbi, J.S.D, copyright 1962, Published
by Behrman House, inc.,1261 Broadway, New York 1, N.Y., Library of
Congress Catalog Card Number: 62-17079, says on page 266:
"Bulan, the pagan ruler of the Khazars, in his desire to embrace the
'true religion' had summoned representatives of Christian, Moslem, and
Jewish faiths to expound their views on the superiority of their
respective religions. Bulan thus became convinced of the truth of the
Jewish faith, and he, as well as many of his noblemen, embraced
Judaism, which later spread widely among the common people of the
Khazar kingdom."
The Edomites and the Khazars became Jews and the real Israelites
changed their religion and became Christians.
Christ said in Mathew 15:24 "I am not sent but unto the lost
sheep of the house of Israel."
He came for the chosen race and sheep are a symbol for the chosen
race, but this is what He said to the Jews:
John 10:26+27 "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as
I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they
follow me"
This means the real Israelites converted to Christianity. This
explains why Europe became known as Christendom.
The Israelites were direct descendants of Adam, who was the
first White man. The Hebrew word "adam" describes a White man. We are
not the color white like milk. We are a light skinned race and the
light skin allows blood, the color red to show in the cheeks. This is
the definition of the word "adam" in Strong's Concordance:

"to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:- be
(dyed, made) red (ruddy)."
This can only be describing a White man. Look at people today
and see which ones have rosy red cheeks. They are light skinned White
people. The Israelites were White.
The Bible says David was ruddy. This is the definition of the
Hebrew word "ruddy":
"reddish (of the hair or of the complexion):-red, ruddy."
David had rosy cheeks (or red hair) and did not look like a
typical Jew.
The Bible says the Israelites would be a blessing to the world.
It is the White race that invented all the great things and advanced
civilization on the earth.
The Bible tells us that the Jews are imposters.
Revelation 2:9 "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews,
and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
Many verses tell us that Jews are our enemies. Here is one
example:
John 7:1 "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee; for he would
not walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him."
The Jews have been expelled from every Christian nation in
Europe at one time or another. Many people know that they are enemies
of White civilization. But not everyone knows the reason. It is
because they are not the chosen race and they hate those who really
are the chosen race.

So
if your posts are an anti-Jewish sentiment, then you
can take it and foist it on someone else.

Jews say that being "anti-Semitic" is a terrible crime. Do they say
being "anti-Arab" is a terrible crime? What about "anti-Christian", or
"anti-German"? Of course the Jews think
they are special. Any other group could be our enemy, but not the
Jews, they say. The Jews tell us the Arabs are our enemies. The
Jewish controlled media tells us that the Jews are America's only
friend in the Middle East. The truth is that before the Jews America
didn't have any enemies in the Middle East.
Americans had a revolution when they were ruled by the British. If
the British accused
them of being "anti-British" would the Americans throw down their guns
and apologize?
Now that America is ruled by the Jews it is no insult to be called
"anti-Semite". The insult is that they think we care about their self
serving verbiage.
The Jewish controlled media said the French were "cheese eating
surrender monkeys". Why can't the French howl "anti-French" like the
Jews howl "anti-Semite"? Because the French don't control the media,
Jews do.
This is what President Nixon said:
http://www.hnn.us/comments/15664.html
"There may be some truth in that if the Arabs have some complaints
about my policy towards Israel, they have to realize that the Jews in
the U.S. control the entire information and propaganda machine, the
large newspapers, the motion pictures, radio and television, and the
big companies. And there is a force that we have to take into
consideration."

As for the land, there never was any such thing as
"Palestine" and so, that name itself is in error. The
Jews took the land many centuries before any such
name was even proposed and archaeology verifies
that they were there long before those now trying
to lay claim to it and pretend that they were there
before the Jews.

"After the Second World War, shortly before the United Nations
partition of Palestine into separate Jewish and non-Jewish areas, Jews
still made up less than one-third of the population of Palestine. The
1946 British census counted 608,000 Jews out of a total population of
1,845,000. The great majority of these Jews were recent immigrants,
whereas nearly all of the Arabs were natives who had roots in
Palestine going back many generations. What the Jews had that the
Palestinians didn't have, however, was a very substantial degree of
control of the governments of the United States and the United
Kingdom, and these two countries exerted a decisive influence on the
policies of the United Nations. The result of this influence was the
partition of Palestine in 1948 into separate Jewish and non-Jewish
areas, with the one-third of the population that was Jewish being
awarded two-thirds of the land, including the most valuable areas.
The Jews immediately set about ethnically cleansing their areas,
carrying out a number of horrifying massacres of non-Jewish
Palestinians and terrorizing tens of thousands of others into fleeing
from their homes, which immediately were seized and occupied by the
Jews. In a series of wars since 1948, the Jews, backed by the United
States, seized even more Palestinian land. The Palestinians who were
driven from their land-the real Palestinians, whose parents and
grandparents and great-grandparents had owned the land-were forced
into crowded and dirty refugee camps, where they still live. And
whenever one of these dispossessed Palestinians strikes back at the
Jews who stole his country from him, everyone in the Bush government,
from the chief liar on down, and everyone in the controlled media here
denounces the Palestinian as a "terrorist"-and all of the Sally
Soccermoms and Joe Sixpacks nod in agreement.
I'll tell you about one of these Palestinian "terrorists" you've
certainly heard mentioned by the media if you pay any attention at all
to what's happening in the world. He's called Abu Nidal: the most
feared Palestinian "terrorist" of them all. The name the man called
Abu Nidal was born with is Sabri al-Banna. He was born in 1937 in the
Palestinian coastal city of Jaffa. His family was one of the
wealthiest and most distinguished families in Palestine and owned,
among other things, more than 6,000 acres of orange orchards, which
were the major source of income for the family. When Sabri al-Banna
was an 11-year-old schoolboy, the Jews seized all of his family's
orchards and other lands, all of their houses, and everything else his
family owned, and he and his family ended up living in a tent in a
refugee camp in the Gaza strip. Quite a shock for a quiet,
introverted little boy.
The shock led him to dedicate his life to evening the score, to
gaining justice for his people, to striking back at the Jews who had
stolen all of his family's property and driven them into a refugee
camp. He built what was probably the most highly disciplined and
ruthless fighting organization on the Palestinian side. He struck not
only at Jews but also at Palestinians who collaborated or compromised
with the Jews. Whenever Abu Nidal's troops would strike,
machine-gunning Israeli tourists at an airport or bombing some Jewish
facility in another country, the politicians and the media here always
would go into hysterics about Arab "terrorism." I always cheered. Abu
Nidal is not some crazed murderer who likes to kill people. He is a
Palestinian patriot fighting for his people and for his country in the
only way he can fight under the circumstances. He does not "hate
America's freedom" as George Bush and the media would have you
believe. There is no reason for him to be an enemy of America, except
that we have made him an enemy by arming and financing the Jews who
stole his family's orange groves and forced him into a refugee camp.
Remember that whenever you buy an orange that came into America from
Israel: one of those sweet Jaffa oranges that are so favored by New
York Jews. That orange is stolen property. It belongs to Abu Nidal. It
was stolen from him by the Jew who sold it to you."
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So revisionist history doesn't work
on me.

Neither does logic or common sense.

And even if the Jews had only taken it in
1948 for the first time, to the conquerors go the
spoils. The conquerors own the land and if that
is not true, then everyone in the United States
(which would be a false name at that point), except
the Indians, needs to pack up and go home and
get out of their (the Indians) land.

And with that, I'm out.

1899-1900. The Jews attempt to have the word "Christian" removed
from the Bill
of Rights of the State of Virginia.
1906-1907. The Jews of Oklahoma petition the Constitutional
Convention protesting that the acknowledgment of Christ in the new
State constitution then being formulated would be repugnant to the
Constitution of the United States.
The Jews force "The Merchant of Venice" to be dropped from public
schools in Texas, Ohio.
1907-1908. Widespread demand by the Jews for the complete
secularization of the public institutions of this country, as a part
of the demand of the Jews for their constitutional rights.
Supreme Court Justice Brewer's statement that this is a Christian
country widely controverted by Jewish rabbis and publications.
Jews agitate in many cities against Bible reading. Christmas
celebrations or carols in Philadelphia, Cincinnati, St. Paul and New
York met with strong Jewish opposition.
1908-1909. Protests made to Governor of Arkansas against
"Christological expressions" employed by him in his Thanksgiving Day
proclamation.
Professor Gotthard Deutsch protests against "Christological prayers"
at the high school graduating exercises at Cincinnati.
Jewish community in Tamaqua, Pennsylvania defeats resolutions
providing daily Bible reading in schools.
Local Council of Jewish Women of Baltimore petitions school board to
prohibit Christmas exercises.
Boycotts were instituted in New York against merchants who opened on
Saturday.
Special efforts at this period to introduce the idea of the Jewish
Sabbath into public business. Jews refused to sit as jurors in court,
thus postponing cases.
1909-1910. On demand of the Jews, the school board of Bridgeport,
Pennsylvania, votes to discontinue the recitation of the Lord's Prayer
in the school.
In Newark, New Jersey, the rabbis ask the night schools to
discontinue Friday evening sessions, because the Jewish Sabbath begins
at sundown on Friday.
The work of introducing the idea of Jewish national holidays into
public life especially active.
1910-1911. An attempt to have Hebrew officially recognized was
frustrated by Supreme Court Judge Goff.
Chicago Jews have election date changed because the official date
fell on the last day of the Passover.
Jews oppose Bible reading and singing of hymns in Detroit schools.
Rabbis force Hartford, Connecticut, school board to drop "The
Merchant of Venice" from reading list.
New York Kehillah does two contradictory things; favors bill to
permit Jews to do all kinds of business on Sunday, and pledges itself
to co-operate in the strict enforcement of the Sunday laws.
1911-1912. Jews in Passaic, New Jersey, petition school board to
eliminate Bible reading and all Christian songs from the schools.
At request of a rabbi, three principals of Roxbury, Mass., public
schools agree to banish Christmas tree and omit all references to the
season from their schools.
A Jewish delegate to the Ohio Constitutional Convention suggests
that the Constitution be made to forbid Christian religious references
in schools.
The Council of the University Settlement, at the request of the New
York Kehillah, adopts this resolution: "That in the holiday
celebrations held annually by the Kindergarten Association at the
University Settlement every feature of any sectarian character,
including Christmas trees, Christmas programs and Christmas songs,
shall be eliminated."
1912-1913. Jews at Jackson, Tennessee, seek an injunction to prevent
the reading of the Bible in City schools.
Annual Convention Independent Order B'nai B'rith at Nashville,
Tennessee, adopts resolution against reading of the Bible and singing
Christian songs in public schools.
Chicago Board of Education, scene of much Jewish agitation, approves
recommendation of sub-committee to remove Christmas from the list of
official public holidays in schools.
1913-1914. The energies of the Jewish powers were concentrated on
the task of preventing the United States from changing the immigration
laws in a manner to protect the country from undesirable aliens.
1914-1915. More Kehillah attempts to secure modification of the
Sunday laws.
1915-1916. Jewish opposition to various movements towards making the
schools free to use the Bible.
1916-1917. Jews busy carrying out an immense campaign against the
"literacy clause" of the Immigration Sill.
On demand of the Jews the New Haven Connecticut, Board of Education
prevents the reading of "The Merchant of Venice," and extends the
prohibition to "Lamb's Tales from Shakespeare."
1918-191g. Provost Marshal Crowder, in charge of the Selective Draft
U. S. Forces, had issued an order to all medical examiners, under
direction of the Surgeon General, stating "The foreign-born,
especially Jews, are more apt to malinger than the native-born." Louis
Marshall, head of the American Jewish Committee, telegraphed demanding
that the "further use of this form shall be at once discontinued."
President Wilson ordered the excision of the paragraph.
The United States Shipping Board sent an advertisement to the "New
York Times," calling for a file clerk and stating that a "Christian"
was preferred-by which is meant always a nonJew-the paper rejected it.
Louis Marshall again went into action and protested to Bainbridge
Colby, Woodrow Wilson's Secretary of State, demanding "Not because of
any desire for inflicting punishment, but for the sake of example and
the establishment of a necessary precedent this offense should be
followed by a dismissal from the public office of the offender, and
the public should be informed the reason." Attention is called to the
tone which the American Jewish Committee adopts when addressing high
American officials in the name of Jewry. It is not to be duplicated in
the addresses of any other representative of any other race or faith.
The Plattsburg Manual, published for officers in the United States
officers' training camps, contained the statement that "the ideal
officer is a Christian gentleman." The A J.C. at once protested
against "Christological manifestations," and the Manual was changed to
read "the ideal officer is a courteous gentleman."
The Anti-Defamation Committee claimed that 160 American cities had
excluded
"The Merchant of Venice" from the public schools.
1919-1920. The Kehillah was so successful in its campaign that it
was possible for a Jewish advertiser in New York to say that he wanted
only Jewish help, but it was not possible for a non-Jewish advertiser
to state his nonJewish preference.
And so it goes on, year after year, right up to the present day. The
incidents quoted are typical not occasional. They represent what is
transpiring all the time in the United States as the Jews pursue their
"rights." There is no interference with Jewish ways and manners. The
Jew may use his own calendar, keep his own days, observe his own form
of worship, live in his own ghetto, exist on a dietary principle all
his own, slaughter his cattle in a manner which no one who knows about
it can approve-he can do all these things without
molestation, without the slightest question of his right in them. But,
the non-Jew is the "persecuted one." He must do everything the way the
Jew wants it done; if not he is infringing on Jewish "rights."
THE INTERNATIONAL JEW by HENRY FORD - Chapter 7
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User: "Pastor Dave"
Title: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	04 Nov 2005 04:48:14 AM

On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:19:57 -0600, Topaz
<mars1933@hotmail.com> spake thusly:

On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:32:08 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

This is what you posted.

God chose a people, not a religion. He then gave those
people His Commandments.

To add: It doesn't matter if they followed those
commandments or not. He chose the people
and made a Promise to that people.

Do you really think pasting in what I already responded to
is going to convince me?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
What shall I render to the Lord
for all His benefits toward me?
I will take up the cup of salvation
and call upon the name of the Lord.
- Psalm 116:12-13
.

User: "Topaz"
Title: Re: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	05 Nov 2005 03:39:56 PM

John 7:1 "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would
not walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him."
John 20:19 "the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled
for fear of the Jews"
2 Co 11:24 "Of the Jews five times recieved I forty stripes save
one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned"
Mathew 27: 20+25 "But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the
multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus...then
answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our
children."
Acts 25:24 "ye see this man, about whom all the multitude of the Jews
have dealt with me, both at Jerusalem and also here, crying that he
ought not to live any longer."
John 8:42,44,48 "Jesus said unto them...Ye are of your father the
devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from
the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth
in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a
liar, and the father of it...Then answered the Jews..."
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User: "Pastor Dave"
Title: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	05 Nov 2005 04:49:15 PM

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:39:56 -0600, Topaz
<mars1933@hotmail.com> spake thusly:

John 7:1 "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would
not walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him."

John 20:19 "the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled
for fear of the Jews"

2 Co 11:24 "Of the Jews five times recieved I forty stripes save
one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned"

Mathew 27: 20+25 "But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the
multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus...then
answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our
children."

Acts 25:24 "ye see this man, about whom all the multitude of the Jews
have dealt with me, both at Jerusalem and also here, crying that he
ought not to live any longer."

John 8:42,44,48 "Jesus said unto them...Ye are of your father the
devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from
the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth
in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a
liar, and the father of it...Then answered the Jews..."

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If you want to hate the Jews, you go right ahead.
Jesus was a Jew. Thus, you hate Him too.
You are a foolish man, driven by hatred. And I
for one, do not wish to see your posts anymore.
Goodbye.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
What shall I render to the Lord
for all His benefits toward me?
I will take up the cup of salvation
and call upon the name of the Lord.
- Psalm 116:12-13
.

User: "Topaz"
Title: Re: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	06 Nov 2005 07:45:09 PM

Article Winston Churchill wrote in 1920:
"This movement amongst the Jews (the Russian Revolution) is not new.
From the days of Spartacus Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down
to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kuhn (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany)
and Emma Goldman (United States), this world wide conspiracy for the
overthrow of civilization and the reconstruction of society on the
basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible
equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer,
Mrs. Nesta Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part
in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of
every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at
last this band of extraordinary personalities has gripped the Russian
people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the
undisputed masters of that enormous empire. There is no need to
exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the
actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international
and for the most part atheistic Jews. Moreover, the principal
inspiration and driving power comes from Jewish leaders." (ibid)
Lev Trotzky wrote a book called "Stalin: An Appraisal of the Man
and His Influence", Harper Bros., New York and London, 1941,
translated by Charles Malamuth.
In this book he told who the principle members of the October
Central Committee were. This group was the leadership of the Bolshevik
Party during the October Revolution. This is what he wrote:
"In view of the Party's semi-legality the names of persons
elected by secret ballot were not announced at the Congress, with the
exception of the four who had recieved the largest number of votes.
Lenin--133 out of a possible 134, Zinoviev--132, Kamenev--131,
Trotzky--131."
Of these four top leaders of the Bolshevik Party the last three
were known Jews. Lenin was thought to be a gentile married to a
Jewess. It was later proven that he was one quarter Jewish, London
Jewish Chronicle April 21, 1995, Lenin: Life and Legacy.
David Francis, the American Ambassador to Russia at the time of the
Revolution, wrote:
"The Bolshevic leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent
of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other
country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a
world-wide revolution."
The Director of British Intelligence to the U.S. Secretary of State
wrote this:
"There is now definite evidence that Bolshevism is an international
movement controlled by Jews."

In 1945 the FBI arrested six individuals for stealing 1700 highly
confidential documents from State Department files. This was the
Amerasia case they were:
Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who came to the U.S. in 1905. He was at
one time the editor of the communist paper "Labor Defense" and the
ringleader of the group arrested.
Andrew Roth, a Jew.
Mark Gayn, a Jew, changed his name from Julius Ginsberg.
John Service, a gentile.
Emmanuel Larsen, nationality unknown
Kate Mitchel, nationality unknown.
In 1949 the Jewess Judith Coplin was caught passing classified
documents from Justice Department files to a Russian agent.
The highest ranking communist brought to trial in the U.S. was
Gerhart Eisler. He was a Jew. He was the secret boss of the Communist
Party in the U.S. and commuted regularly between the U.S. and Russia.
In 1950 there was the "Hollywood Ten" case. Ten leading film
writers of the Hollywood Film Colony were convicted for contempt of
Congress and sentanced to prison. Nine of the ten were Jews. Six of
the ten were communist party members and the other four were
flagrantly pro-communist.
One of the top new stories of 1949 was the trial of Eugene Dennis
and the Convicted Eleven. This group comprised the National
Secretariat of the American Communist Party. Six were Jews, two
gentiles, three nationality unknown.
Also in 1949 the German-born atomic scientist Klaus Fuchs was
convicted for passing atomic secrets to the Russians. Acting on
information obtained from Fuchs the FBI arrested nine other members of
the ring. All of them were convicted. Eight of the nine were Jews.
Here are some quotes from a very pro-Jewish book that was first
published in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis
Browne.
"But save for such exceptions, the Jews who led or participated
in the heroic efforts to remold the world of the last century, were
neither Reform or Orthodox. Indeed, they were often not professing
Jews at all.
"For instance, there was Heinrich Heine and Ludwig Borne, both
unfaltering champions of freedom. And even more conspicuously, there
was Karl Marx, one of the great prophetic geniuses of modern times.
"Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl
Marx, though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of
Israel than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born
in Germany in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not
himself reared as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized
a Christian by his father. Yet the rebel soul of the Jew flamed in him
thoughout his days, for he was always a 'troubler' in Europe."
"Then, of course, there are Ludwig Borne and Heinrich Heine, two
men who by their merciless wit and sarcasm became leaders among the
revolutionary writers. Karl Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, Johann Jacoby,
Gabriel Riesser, Adolphe Cremieux, Signora Nathan- all these of Jewish
lineage played important roles in the struggle that went thoughout
Europe in this period. Wherever the war for human liberty was being
waged, whether in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Italy, there
the Jew was to be found. It was little wonder that the enemies of
social progress, the monarchists and the Churchmen, came to speak of
the whole liberal movement as nothing but a Jewish plot."
The book "Soviet Russia and the Jews" by Gregor Aronson and
published by the American Jewish League Against Communism, quotes
Stalin in an interview in 1931 with the Jewish Telegraph Agency.
Stalin said:
"...Communists cannot be anything but outspoken enemies of
Anti-Semitism. We fight anti-Semites by the strongest methods in the
Soviet Union. Active anti-Semites are punished by death under the
law."
The following quotes are taken directly from documents available from
the
U.S. Archives:

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet
government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."

State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet
government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."

From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia
on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
type"
type."

A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government:
"...(T)here
were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
Imperial Government.

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it
is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of
things."
"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish
dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920

"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)

Interestingly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by
Stalin
himself:

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism,
as
an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige
of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
Here is a quote from Mein Kampf:
"Making an effort to overcome my natural reluctance, I tried
to
read articles of this nature published in the Marxist Press; but in
doing
so my aversion increased all the more. And then I set about learning
something of the people who wrote and published this mischievous
stuff.
From the publisher downwards, all of them were Jews. I recalled to
mind the
names of the public leaders of Marxism, and then I realized that most
of
them belonged to the Chosen Race- the Social Democratic
representatives in
the Imperial Cabinet as well as the secretaries if the Trades Unions
and
the street agitators. Everywhere the same sinister picture presented
itself. I shall never forget the row of names- Austerlitz, David,
Adler,
Ellonbogen, and others. One fact became quite evident to me. It was
that
this alien race held in its hands the leadership of that Social
Democratic
Party with whose minor representatives I had been disputing for
months
past."

Solzhenitsyn named in his book the six top administrators of the
Soviet death camps. All six of them were Jews.

Here is something the National Socialists wrote:
"The Soviet Union was in fact a paradise for one group: the Jews. Even
at times when for foreign policy reasons Jews were less evident in the
government, or when they ruled through straw men, the Jews were always
visible in the middle and lower levels of the administration."
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.

User: "Gray Shockley"
Title: Re: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	04 Nov 2005 12:12:24 AM

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:19, TommieTopaz wrote:

THE INTERNATIONAL JEW by HENRY FORD - Chapter 7

That
is
Henry
F ix
o r
R epair
D aily
In the junkyard of life, you're certainly a Ford.
Gray Shockley
---------------
Who has never owned
a Ford Topaz (they were
all defective).
.

User: "Topaz"
Title: Re: Re: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	05 Nov 2005 03:38:45 PM

" . .for you suffered like things of your own countrymen as they did
from the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and
drove us out and displease God, and oppose all men. . . But God's
wrath has come upon them at last. (1 Thessalonians 2:14-16)
Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith,
instead of giving heed to Jewish myths or to commands of men who
reject the truth. (Titus1:13-14)
In fact the greatest Jewish myth today is that somehow the Jewish
people who accept the anti-Christian hatred of Judaism are still
Chosen of God.
In fact, for the writing such as these, the New Testament has long
been hated and called anti-Semitic by the Jews. In Israel, there have
been public burnings of the New Testament. Zionists publicly and
ceremoniously burned hundreds of copies of the New Testament in
Jerusalem on March 23, 1980. They were destroyed under the auspices of
Yad Le'akhim, a Jewish religious organization subsidized by the
Israeli Ministry of Religions.
In Israeli government-financed schools it is illegal to even quote
from the very much hated New Testament. Is it ironic to think that
some of the Christian money that goes to Israel has helped finance the
burning of the New Testament! There are Jewish groups all over the
world that are working to actually change the New Testament and take
out the verses that offend them. Jewish pressure has already caused
changes in the famous Passion Play. Biblical versus that Jews don't
like were taken out.
The term Judeo-Christian, a term never used in the United States until
after the Second World War, (again coinciding with the rise of Jewish
power) is a completely ridiculous term, for Judaism and Christianity
are polar opposites in principle and belief. Christianity celebrates,
forgiveness and love, Judaism honors vengeance and hate. In fact,
Judaism is viciously hateful toward Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary.
In fact the Talmud claims that the Jewish priests not the Romans
crucified Christ.
Here are some quotes from the chief Jewish religious text, the Talmud.
* Balaam [Jesus] fornicated with his jackass. (Sanhedrin 105a-b)
* Balaam [Jesus] is raised from the dead and being punished in
boiling hot semen. Those who mock the words of the Jewish sages and
sin against Israel are boiled in hot excrement. (57a Gittin)
* She who was the descendant of princes and governors [The Virgin
Mary] played the harlot with a carpenter (Sanhedrin 106a)
* [Jesus] was lowered into a pit of dung up to his armpits. Then a
hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound round his neck, and the
two ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead. (Sanhedrin
52b) Also, it says they gave him four different executions in
Sanhedrin 106a.
Masters of deceit, some Jews will claim that Balaam was not a derisive
name Jews used for Jesus. But, in The Jewish Encyclopedia, under the
heading "Balaam," it clearly says quote "…the pseudonym 'Balaam' given
to Jesus in Sanhedrin 106b and Gittin 57a."
It is ironic that the Muslim faith is presented as anti-Christian, yet
Moslems honor Christ and the Virgin Mary. For instance, although the
Koran views Christ as a great prophet rather than savior, it says Mary
was a virtuous woman and God had fathered her son, Jesus. It also says
that God resurrected Jesus from the dead. The Koran, like the New
Testament, suggests that the Jews had a covenant with God that they
broke and that God then offered a new covenant to all believers. It
condemns the Talmud's assertion that Mary was a ***** and disputes the
Talmud's boast that Jews themselves murdered Jesus Christ rather than
the Romans at their behest. Here a couple of quotes from the Qur'an.
They (Jews) have incurred divine displeasure: in that they broke the
covenant… And little is it they believe.
That they rejected faith and they uttered against Mary a grave false
charge…
That they said (in boast) "we killed Christ Jesus, the son of Mary,
the messenger of Allah- but they killed him not, nor crucified him.
But so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are
full of doubts…
(Sura 4 AlNisa 153- 159)
It is in the interest of Jewish Supremacists to paint the Moslems as
vicious enemies of Christ, but the Qur'an states a quite mild view of
Christians as compared to Jews.
Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews
and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou
find those who say "we are Christians": Because amongst these are men
devoted to learning and men who renounced the world, and they are not
arrogant. (Sura 5 Al-Ma'idah "5-82)
It is in the interest of Jewish Supremacists to paint the Moslems as
vicious enemies of Christ, but the Qur'an states a quite mild view of
Christians as compared to Jews. If you would like a more in depth look
into the extreme anti-Christian attitudes of Judaism please read my
book entitled Jewish Supremacism and you can go this website to My
Awakening and read the chapter on Christianity, Judaism and Race.
There is a wealth of information in these books and invite you check
out my sources for yourself. Shocking as they may be, you will find
them meticulously accurate and authentic.
Because of Jewish supremacy in the press, we simply don't get the real
view of the world. We get the view the Jewish supremacists want us to
see. It is unbelievable that they even altered some of the most basic
tenants of the Christian faith, and they have too many Christians
listening to the Jewish interpretations of the New Testament rather
than its own clear words on the subject.
As a Christian it pains me that so many who profess to be Christians
have supported the horrible crimes inflicted on the Palestinians, many
of whom are our fellow Christians. These so called Christians reject
the love and compassion of Christ in the same ways they Jews have for
2000 years rejected his message of peace and reconciliation. They have
even allowed the Jewish supremacist, Christ-haters to twist the words
of our own Holy Bible because they know that that the Jewish
broadcasting moguls would pull the plug if they dared to tell the real
Christian view of Jewish supremacism.
How long will American Christians continue to support the Anti-Christ
of Jewish Supremacism?
It reminds of the one of the most often repeated phrases in the New
Testament: "fear of the Jews," as expressed in John 7:13
Yet for fear of the Jews no one spoke openly of him (John 7:13)
Recently it was revealed that Billy Graham in conversations with
President Nixon said that the Jewish stranglehold on the American
media was destroying our country. Must their stranglehold destroy the
basic tenants of our Christian faith as well? Even Graham and Nixon
dared not speak openly about the Jewish stranglehold on our country.
It is simply amazing to me that some fundamentalist Christians have
been fooled into aligning themselves with anti-Christian Jews, the
very same forces that stand against everything that Christians stand
for in America.
The same pro-Israel, Jewish supremacist mass media and Hollywood
establishment that Graham railed against with Nixon in private, is the
same one that continually attacks and ridicules Christianity and
Christian ethics. The same Jewish media that supports Israel supports
abortion, something that almost all fundamentalist Christians oppose.
The Jewish supremacists must have a good laugh as they get the money
and support from people who they ridicule and debase in their mass
media. That same Jewish media supports radical feminism and blatant
homosexuality. That same Jewish media that supports unlimited Third
World immigration in America, supports the Jews Only Israeli policy.
When will the blind Christians wake up?
Is it Moslems in the American media who are destroying Christian
ethics? As Billy Graham said it is the Jewish stranglehold on media
that is doing that. The truth is that devout Moslems have the same
opinion toward abortion, homosexuality, feminism and other moral
issues as the fundamentalist Christians, but in the ultimate con job,
the Jews have got the Christians busily defending them and hating the
Moslems. They have even got Christians supporting the Jewish murder
and ethnic cleansing of their fellow Christian Palestinians.
Although I respect all religions and the right of every man or woman
to believe or not believe according to their own intellect and
conscience, I am a Christian.
I am a Christian who defends my faith and my fellow Christians. It is
not Moslems who have led the fight to remove even Christmas carols
from American schools. I have not and will not sell my soul to the
Jews for their thirty pieces of silver. To do so I must oppose the
evil of Israel. I will not let quote "fear of the Jews" stop me from
telling and spreading the truth. The same evil that is destroying the
Palestinian nation is destroying the American nation. The time has
come to stand up for the truth. Again, the whole truth and nothing but
the truth!
Won't you join me?
Christians, Moslems, anyone of any faith who loves truth and justice,
together we can change the world.
This has been David Duke …sharing my most recent thoughts."
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.

User: "Bob LeChevalier"
Title: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	06 Nov 2005 03:56:12 AM

Topaz <mars1933@hotmail.com> wrote:

Here are some quotes from the chief Jewish religious text, the Talmud.
* Balaam [Jesus] fornicated with his jackass. (Sanhedrin 105a-b)
* Balaam [Jesus] is raised from the dead and being punished in
boiling hot semen. Those who mock the words of the Jewish sages and
sin against Israel are boiled in hot excrement. (57a Gittin)
* She who was the descendant of princes and governors [The Virgin
Mary] played the harlot with a carpenter (Sanhedrin 106a)
* [Jesus] was lowered into a pit of dung up to his armpits. Then a
hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound round his neck, and the
two ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead. (Sanhedrin
52b) Also, it says they gave him four different executions in
Sanhedrin 106a.

Why do you lie about stuff that can be easily checked. Four claims
about the Talmud, and they are all lies. Here for example are the
relevant sections of Sanhedrin Folios 105 and 106. You will find no
mention of Jesus.
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_105.html
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_106.html
<FOUR COMMONERS, VIZ., BALAAM, DOEG, AHITOPHEL, AND GEHAZI. Belo'-am
< [denotes without the people].19 Another explanation: Balaam denotes
< that he corrupted a people.20 The son of Beor [denotes] that he
< committed bestiality.21 A Tanna taught: Beor, Cushan-rishathaim and
< Laban the Syrian are identical; Beor denotes that he committed
< bestiality; Cushan-rishathaim, that he perpetrated two evils upon
< Israel: one in the days of Jacob,22 and the other in the days of the
< Judges.23 But what was his real name? Laban the Syrian.
<
<Scripture writes, the son of Beor;24 [but also] his son [was] Beor.25
< R. Johanan said: His father [Beor] was as his son in the matter of
< prophecy.26
<
<Now only Balaam will not enter [the future world], but other
< [heathens] will enter.27 On whose authority is the Mishnah [taught]?
< — On R. Joshua's. For it has been taught: R. Eliezer said, The wicked
< shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God:28
< The wicked shall be turned into hell — this refers to transgressors
< among Israel; and all the nations that forget God — to transgressors
< among the heathen.29 This is R. Eliezer's view. But R. Joshua said
< to him: Is it stated, and [those] among all the nations?30 Surely
< all the nations that forget God is written! But [interpret thus:] The
< wicked shall be turned into hell, and who are they? — all the nations
< that forget God.31 Now, that wicked man [Balaam] too gave a sign for
< himself [that he would not enter the future world by saying, Let me
< die the death of the righteous32 — meaning, If I die the death of
< the righteous [i.e., a natural death], my last end will be like
< his;33 but if not [i.e., if I die a violent death], then behold I go
< unto my people.34
<
<And the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed.35 A Tanna
< taught: There was never peace between Midian and Moab. The matter may
< be compared to two dogs in one kernel which were always enraged at
< each other. Then a wolf attacked one, whereupon the other said, If I
< do not help him, he will kill him to-day, and attack me to-morrow; so
< they both went and killed the wolf. R. Papa observed: Thus people
< say, 'The weasel and cat [when at peace with each other] had a feast
< on the fat of the luckless.'
<
<And the princes of Moab abode with Balaam.36 But whither had the
< princes of Midian gone? — As soon as he said to them, Lodge here this
< night, and I will bring you word again, [as the Lord shall speak unto
< me],37 they reasoned, Does any father hate his son!38 R. Nahman
< said: Impudence, even against Heaven, is of avail: at first it is
< written, Thou shalt not go with them,'39 yet subsequently it is
< said, Rise up and go with them.40 R. Shesheth said: Impudence is
< sovereignty without a crown,41 for it is written, And I am this day
< weak, though anointed king, and these men the sons of Zeruiah be too
< hard for me.42
<
<R. Johanan said: Balaam limped on one foot, as it is written, And he
< walked haltingly.43 Samson was lame in both feet, as it is written,
< [Dan shall be a serpent by the way,] an adder in the path that biteth
< the horse's heels.44 Balaam was blind in one eye, as it is said,
< [and the man] whose eye is open …45 He practised enchantment by
< means of his membrum. For here it is written, falling, but having his
< eyes open; whilst elsewhere is written, And Haman was fallen on the
< bed whereon Esther was.46
<
<It was stated, Mar Zutra said: He practised enchantment by means of
< his membrum. Mar the son of Rabina said: He committed bestiality with
< his *****. The view that he practised enchantment by means of his
< membrum is as was stated. The view that he committed bestiality with
< his ***** [is because] here it is written, He bowed,47 he lay down as
< a lion and as a great lion;48 whilst elsewhere it is written, At her
< feet is renewed1 and its roots are numerous, and even if all the
< winds of the world come and blow upon it they cannot dislodge it from
< its place, but it sways in unison with them, and as soon as the winds
< subside, the reed still stands in its place, [so may Israel be]. But
< the wicked Balaam blessed them by the cedar:2 just as the cedar does
< not stand in a watery place, and its roots are few and its stock is
< not renewed, and even if all the winds of the world come and blow
< upon it they cannot stir it from its place, but immediately the South
< wind blows upon it it uproots and overturns it on its face, [so may
< Israel be]. Nay, more, it was the reed's privilege that a quill
< thereof should be taken for the writing of the Scroll of the Torah,
< Prophets and Hagiographa.
<
< And he looked on the Kenite, and took up his parable.3 Balaam said
< to Jethro, 'Thou Kenite, wast thou not with us in that scheme?4 Who
< then placed thee among the strong ones of the world!'5 And that is
< what R. Hiyya b. Abba said in R. Simai's name: Three were involved in
< that scheme,6 viz., Balaam, Job, and Jethro. Balaam, who advised it,
< was slain; Job, who was silent,7 was punished through suffering; and
< Jethro, who fled — his descendants were privileged to sit in the Hall
< of Hewn Stones, as it is written, And the families of the scribes
< which dwell at Jabez, the Tirathites, the Shemeathites, and
< Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of
< the house of Rechab;8 whilst elsewhere it is written, And the
< children of the Kenite, Moses' father in law, went up out of the city
< of palm trees.9
....
<R. Johanan said: Wherever [Scripture] writes 'And he abode [or
< dwelt]', it denotes trouble, Thus: And Israel abode in Shittim — and
< the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab;30
< And Jacob dwelt in the laid where his father was a stranger, in the
< land of Canaan31 — and Joseph brought unto his father their evil
< report;32 And Israel dwelt in the land of Egypt, in the country of
< Goshen33 — And the time drew near that Israel must die;34 And Judah
< and Israel dwelt safely, every man under his vine and under his fig
< tree35 — And the Lord stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the
< Edomite; he was the king's seed in Edom.36
<
<And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were
< slain … Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.37 What
< business had Balaam there? — R. Jonathan said: He went to receive his
< reward for the twenty-four thousand Israelites whose destruction he
< had encompassed.38 Mar Zutra b. Tobiah remarked in Rab's name: This
< is what men say, 'When the camel went to demand horns, they cut off
< the ears he had.'39
<
<Balaam also the son of Beor, the soothsayer, [did the children of
< Israel slay with the sword].40 A soothsayer? But he was a prophet! —
< R. Johanan said: At first he was a prophet, but subsequently a
< soothsayer.41 R. Papa observed: This is what men say, 'She who was
< the descendant of princes and governors, played the harlot with
< carpenters.'42

Balaam was a Biblical character in the Old Testament, specifically
Numbers, and not Jesus:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02214b.htm

Masters of deceit, some Jews will claim that Balaam was not a derisive
name Jews used for Jesus.

So will non-Jews who have actually read the Bible, and who can read
the above quoted text and find nothing resembling Jesus in the text.

But, in The Jewish Encyclopedia, under the
heading "Balaam," it clearly says quote "…the pseudonym 'Balaam' given
to Jesus in Sanhedrin 106b and Gittin 57a."

Here is the quoted text from the Jewish Encyclopedia:
<Henceforth he became the type of false prophets seducing men to
< lewdness and obscene idolatrous practices (Rev. ii. 14; II Peter ii.
< 15; Jude 11; Abot. v. 19). The name “Nicolaitanes,” given to the
< Christian heretics “holding the doctrine of Balaam” (Rev. ii. 6, 15),
< is probably derived from the Grecized form of Balaam, [Hebr. = Gr],
< and hence also the pseudonym “Balaam,” given to Jesus in Sanh. 106b
< and Git. 57a. See Geiger, “Bileam and Jesus,” in “Wissenschaftliche
< Zeitschrift fur Jüdische Theologie,” vi. 31-37).
Note that the source of this *interpretation* is a German work and not
a Jewish one.
lojbab
.

User: "Topaz"
Title: Re: Re: Get 'er done: bomb Iran... then nuke Mecca	02 Nov 2005 05:08:33 PM

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:39:39 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:

God chose a people, not a religion. He then gave those
people His Commandments.