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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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19 Dec 2007 07:12:31 AM |
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Golden Compass Fails at the Box..what a shame |
It's too bad that Golden Compass failed at the box. I pointed out
how, like Lyra, Jesus came into a corrupt system to free those
enslaved by the devil, and I spent weeks telling everyone to go out to
the film. So...despite the supposed atheist agenda of the
author...I'm sad to say this film is going to go down as one of the
year's biggest flops (bigger loss than Evan Almighty). After a ho-hum
first weekend, the box has dropped off domestically by 65 percent in
the last weekend. After 2 weeks at the box, it has made just over 40
million domestically and about 100 million worldwide. It will no
reach the 200 million it took to make the film, let alone the 2xbudget
formula that everyone says must be reached to be profitable.
Entertainment Weekly said the other day that New Line will, likely,
not be doing any future sequels of the books into movies.
What a shame...
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "curmudgeon" |
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19 Dec 2007 06:43:26 PM |
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If any movie is a failure in America then it must be a failure everywhere
else, ergo if any movie is a success in America it must be a success
everywhere else."
To quote the powers that be in Hollywood.
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| User: "Red Cloud" |
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19 Dec 2007 12:23:28 PM |
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On Dec 19, 5:12 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's too bad that Golden Compass failed at the box. I pointed out
how, like Lyra, Jesus came into a corrupt system to free those
enslaved by the devil, and I spent weeks telling everyone to go out to
the film. So...despite the supposed atheist agenda of the
author...I'm sad to say this film is going to go down as one of the
year's biggest flops (bigger loss than Evan Almighty). After a ho-hum
first weekend, the box has dropped off domestically by 65 percent in
the last weekend. After 2 weeks at the box, it has made just over 40
million domestically and about 100 million worldwide. It will no
reach the 200 million it took to make the film, let alone the 2xbudget
formula that everyone says must be reached to be profitable.
Entertainment Weekly said the other day that New Line will, likely,
not be doing any future sequels of the books into movies.
What a shame...
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
I heard of local christian talkshow host ***** blowing bubble a
week before the opening day. I can't believe how this is an anti-
christian movie. I came to the conclusion: he was taking advantage
for filing his air time. That's all. I'm not gonna getting into the
religious or ideological argument. He filled air time by
making all kind of accusation against the film. At second week, he
shut his mouth when the film was doing bad at box office.
The prediction anti-christian-blockbuster came too short, just
rambling nonsense
crap by the typical American christian *****. This is same *****
said
Jesus Christ is for peace and love then said we should drop nuke on
all
arab people. Son of ***** driven by Whitepenis power!!!
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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21 Dec 2007 08:48:42 AM |
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On Dec 19, 7:12 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's too bad that Golden Compass failed at the box. I pointed out
how, like Lyra, Jesus came into a corrupt system to free those
enslaved by the devil, and I spent weeks telling everyone to go out to
the film. So...despite the supposed atheist agenda of the
author...I'm sad to say this film is going to go down as one of the
year's biggest flops (bigger loss than Evan Almighty). After a ho-hum
first weekend, the box has dropped off domestically by 65 percent in
the last weekend. After 2 weeks at the box, it has made just over 40
million domestically and about 100 million worldwide. It will no
reach the 200 million it took to make the film, let alone the 2xbudget
formula that everyone says must be reached to be profitable.
Entertainment Weekly said the other day that New Line will, likely,
not be doing any future sequels of the books into movies.
What a shame...
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
A link I found to an article on topic...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071210/film_nm/boxoffice_dc
In this article, the New Line president and chief operating officer of
New Line's worldwide distribution and marketing operations said that
New Line sold off the foreign rights to this film, so they are not
getting any boost from the higher overseas sales. He said that New
Line was covered for 70-80 percent of the costs and figures
that...eventually, through tax breaks and such...this film may be
profitable.
That being said, I doubt they will rush to make a sequel to something
they had to use tax breaks and such to barely turn a profit.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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21 Dec 2007 03:30:35 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
A link I found to an article on topic...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071210/film_nm/boxoffice_dc
In this article, the New Line president and chief operating officer of
New Line's worldwide distribution and marketing operations said that
New Line sold off the foreign rights to this film,
For 60% of the film's budget.
so they are not getting any boost from the higher overseas sales.
They are getting 60% of the film's budget. That is a lot of money.
He said that New Line was covered for 70-80 percent of the costs
That's is ALREADY, as of Dec 9. So all that remains to be covered is
20-30% of the costs, which is $36-54 million. Domestically, they have
already had $19 million more in gross. There remain DVD rentals and
sales, which for the film Evan Almighty that you compared it to, has
been at least $30 million. And Christmas break hasn't yet started.
and figures that...eventually, through tax breaks and such...this film may be
profitable.
No. He said that it WOULD be profitable. He did not use the word
"may". That was a product of Kennie's over-active imagination.
You also ignored:
<Mittweg said exit polls were favorable, but declined to go into
< detail. He hoped word of mouth would help the film in coming weeks,
< especially with school holidays starting. "It's all about longevity,"
< he said.
"All about longevity".
Furthermore, you ignored this.
<The movie underperformed at the North American box office, opening at
< No. 1, but with weekend ticket sales of just $26.1 million,
< distributor New Line Cinema said on Sunday.
<
<The struggling unit of Time Warner Inc had hoped the film would pull
< in between $30 million and $40 million during its first three days.
So the film fell only a few million dollars short of what they had
hoped for in the first weekend. They weren't expecting LOTR levels of
sales (The first LOTR only did $47 million the first weekend, and this
is more than half of that amount. If they get half of the gross of
any of the LOTR movies, I am sure they will be quite satisfied.
That being said, I doubt they will rush to make a sequel to something
they had to use tax breaks and such to barely turn a profit.
That is the ignorant and unexpert opinion of someone who has no clue
how production executives think.
lojbab
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23 Dec 2007 08:47:20 AM |
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On Dec 21, 3:30 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
A link I found to an article on topic...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071210/film_nm/boxoffice_dc
In this article, the New Line president and chief operating officer of
New Line's worldwide distribution and marketing operations said that
New Line sold off the foreign rights to this film,
For 60% of the film's budget.
so they are not getting any boost from the higher overseas sales.
They are getting 60% of the film's budget. That is a lot of money.
He said that New Line was covered for 70-80 percent of the costs
That's is ALREADY, as of Dec 9. So all that remains to be covered is
20-30% of the costs, which is $36-54 million. Domestically, they have
already had $19 million more in gross. There remain DVD rentals and
sales, which for the film Evan Almighty that you compared it to, has
been at least $30 million. And Christmas break hasn't yet started.
The article was AFTER the first weekend's box (and the executive's
remaining costs). So, you have to subtract the initial weekend's box
from the domestic before figuring the 20-30 percent box.
That being said, I doubt they will rush to make a sequel to something
they had to use tax breaks and such to barely turn a profit.
That is the ignorant and unexpert opinion of someone who has no clue
how production executives think.
Got it. You who didn't even know about the production cost-sales
formula are now an EXPERT on something (yet again) for which you have
no training. How stupid of me (or the ENTERTAINMENT WEEK author) to
challenge you.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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23 Dec 2007 11:54:26 AM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 21, 3:30 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
He said that New Line was covered for 70-80 percent of the costs
That's is ALREADY, as of Dec 9. So all that remains to be covered is
20-30% of the costs, which is $36-54 million. Domestically, they have
already had $19 million more in gross. There remain DVD rentals and
sales, which for the film Evan Almighty that you compared it to, has
been at least $30 million. And Christmas break hasn't yet started.
The article was AFTER the first weekend's box (and the executive's
remaining costs). So, you have to subtract the initial weekend's box
from the domestic before figuring the 20-30 percent box.
That does not necessarily follow. That is "interpretation"
That being said, I doubt they will rush to make a sequel to something
they had to use tax breaks and such to barely turn a profit.
That is the ignorant and unexpert opinion of someone who has no clue
how production executives think.
Got it.
You don't get anything, clueless.
You who didn't even know about the production cost-sales
formula are now an EXPERT on something (yet again)
At least as expert as you are.
How stupid of me
Correct. You need not continue.
lojbab
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19 Dec 2007 11:37:05 AM |
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On Dec 19, 7:12 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's too bad that Golden Compass failed at the box. I pointed out
how, like Lyra, Jesus came into a corrupt system to free those
enslaved by the devil, and I spent weeks telling everyone to go out to
the film. So...despite the supposed atheist agenda of the
author...I'm sad to say this film is going to go down as one of the
year's biggest flops (bigger loss than Evan Almighty). After a ho-hum
first weekend, the box has dropped off domestically by 65 percent in
the last weekend. After 2 weeks at the box, it has made just over 40
million domestically and about 100 million worldwide. It will no
reach the 200 million it took to make the film, let alone the 2xbudget
formula that everyone says must be reached to be profitable.
Entertainment Weekly said the other day that New Line will, likely,
not be doing any future sequels of the books into movies.
What a shame...
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
BOOK SPOILER WARNING
Sadly, I wholly expected this, based on the way they ended the film.
No matter how much the director claimed that the ending was changed to
make it less downbeat or make the opening of the second movie better
(WTF?), it's clear that the reason The Golden Compass movie ended this
way (by eliminating the last several chapters and the suspenseful
cliffhanger) is so that if the next installment WASN'T made, at least
this story "ended." No sense in having a cliff-hanger ending and
leaving the uninformed (non-book readers) wondering what happened
after Asriel killed Roger and walked away into "the sky/other
universe." This way, those who never read the book are left feeling
only "kinda" unfilfilled, instead of outraged (can you imagine there
being no Return of the Jedi after how The Empire Strikes Back ended?).
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19 Dec 2007 02:15:14 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's too bad that Golden Compass failed at the box.
It didn't. US sales have been somewhat anemic, but it is doing pretty
well overseas. It won't be the biggest hit in history, but I don't
think anyone expected it to. It will likely make a profit, however,
and I would not be surprised to see the other two books made into
sequels.
It was released a couple weeks too early to get the advantage of the
Christmas break, and we won't know until after that break is over what
the bottom line will be.
The reviews have pointed out something I could have said before the
movie was released - the trilogy is extremely complex, and there are
threads that are introduced in the first book that are bit players
until the later books. The director chose to be true enough to the
books to introduce those characters in the first movie, and they thus
make the story a bit muddled for the simple-minded Kennie-viewer.
I'd be interested to see if someone could make a three part movie out
of the original Paradise Lost, and get critical acclaim on the first
movie.
I pointed out
without actually seeing the movie, so far as we know.
I'm sad to say this film is going to go down as one of the
year's biggest flops (bigger loss than Evan Almighty)
which I suspect will make a profit, albeit not a large one. I see
grosses of 172 million and 30 million in DVD rentals. No idea about
DVD sales. And it is still in the video market place. Against
production costs of $175 million. I suspect it will make a slight
profit.
After a ho-hum
first weekend, the box has dropped off domestically by 65 percent in
the last weekend. After 2 weeks at the box, it has made just over 40
million domestically and about 100 million worldwide. It will no
reach the 200 million it took to make the film,
180 million according to boxofficemojo. And I see no reason to
believe that you are correct. We will have a better idea AFTER the
holidays.
let alone the 2xbudget
formula that everyone says must be reached to be profitable.
I haven't said it, so it simply is not the case that "everyone says"
it.
Entertainment Weekly said the other day that New Line will, likely,
not be doing any future sequels of the books into movies.
Your cite is lacking
We'll see. I suspect that EW doesn't know any more than Kennie does
about the matter.
lojbab
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19 Dec 2007 03:15:02 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's too bad that Golden Compass failed at the box.
It didn't. US sales have been somewhat anemic, but it is doing pretty
well overseas. It won't be the biggest hit in history, but I don't
think anyone expected it to. It will likely make a profit, however,
and I would not be surprised to see the other two books made into
sequels.
And my impression is that the series was much more popular
in Britain than here, so I think the long-term overseas
recepits are what will make the difference, one way
or the other.
On the other hand, my secret bookstore informant has suggested
that the series has been around long enough that the kids
who really got into it may be too old by now to be
highly motivated to go see a kiddies movie.
It was released a couple weeks too early to get the advantage of the
Christmas break, and we won't know until after that break is over what
the bottom line will be.
The reviews have pointed out something I could have said before the
movie was released - the trilogy is extremely complex, and there are
threads that are introduced in the first book that are bit players
until the later books. The director chose to be true enough to the
books to introduce those characters in the first movie, and they thus
make the story a bit muddled for the simple-minded Kennie-viewer.
I'd be interested to see if someone could make a three part movie out
of the original Paradise Lost, and get critical acclaim on the first
movie.
The early scenes, with Lucifer rallying the troops after
the Fall, would really REALLY lend themselves to some
spectacular special effects as well as over-the-top, saw-the-lava
theatricality. In fact, I think that the first third
of the poem is easily the most filmic.
Although the descriptions of Paradise were quite
compelling, at least on the page. I'm not sure
how you'd convey that on film.
And the dialogs between the Father and the Son in
the middle portion...well, "Re-write? SOMEBODY GET ME RE-WRITE!!!".
-- cary
I pointed out
without actually seeing the movie, so far as we know.
I'm sad to say this film is going to go down as one of the
year's biggest flops (bigger loss than Evan Almighty)
which I suspect will make a profit, albeit not a large one. I see
grosses of 172 million and 30 million in DVD rentals. No idea about
DVD sales. And it is still in the video market place. Against
production costs of $175 million. I suspect it will make a slight
profit.
After a ho-hum
first weekend, the box has dropped off domestically by 65 percent in
the last weekend. After 2 weeks at the box, it has made just over 40
million domestically and about 100 million worldwide. It will no
reach the 200 million it took to make the film,
180 million according to boxofficemojo. And I see no reason to
believe that you are correct. We will have a better idea AFTER the
holidays.
let alone the 2xbudget
formula that everyone says must be reached to be profitable.
I haven't said it, so it simply is not the case that "everyone says"
it.
Entertainment Weekly said the other day that New Line will, likely,
not be doing any future sequels of the books into movies.
Your cite is lacking
We'll see. I suspect that EW doesn't know any more than Kennie does
about the matter.
lojbab
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21 Dec 2007 08:14:22 AM |
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On Dec 19, 3:15 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org>
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's too bad that Golden Compass failed at the box.
It didn't. US sales have been somewhat anemic, but it is doing pretty
well overseas. It won't be the biggest hit in history, but I don't
think anyone expected it to. It will likely make a profit, however,
and I would not be surprised to see the other two books made into
sequels.
And my impression is that the series was much more popular
in Britain than here, so I think the long-term overseas
recepits are what will make the difference, one way
or the other.
A quote from a thread you participated in (you replied to to the
discussion following this quote) where I was touting the success of
Evan Almighty....
"You don't know movie industry math, do you? A Hollywood movie has to
make two-and-a-half times its production budget just to BREAK EVEN!!!!
(Costs of prints, advertising, marketing, studio overhead etc. added
to the production cost.) So EVAN ALMIGHTY has got quite a ways to go.
It has to make close to $300 million MORE to show anything resembling
a profit. D'ya think TV and DVD sales will come anywhere close?"
So, are you, now, saying Evan Almighty was a profitable film?
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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21 Dec 2007 11:47:47 AM |
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In article <19ae3b6c-a75b-481f-b725-29274e6d35bc@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> writes:
On Dec 19, 3:15 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org>
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's too bad that Golden Compass failed at the box.
It didn't. US sales have been somewhat anemic, but it is doing pretty
well overseas. It won't be the biggest hit in history, but I don't
think anyone expected it to. It will likely make a profit, however,
and I would not be surprised to see the other two books made into
sequels.
And my impression is that the series was much more popular
in Britain than here, so I think the long-term overseas
recepits are what will make the difference, one way
or the other.
A quote from a thread you participated in (you replied to to the
discussion following this quote) where I was touting the success of
Evan Almighty....
"You don't know movie industry math, do you? A Hollywood movie has to
make two-and-a-half times its production budget just to BREAK EVEN!!!!
(Costs of prints, advertising, marketing, studio overhead etc. added
to the production cost.) So EVAN ALMIGHTY has got quite a ways to go.
It has to make close to $300 million MORE to show anything resembling
a profit. D'ya think TV and DVD sales will come anywhere close?"
So, are you, now, saying Evan Almighty was a profitable film?
Not content with putting his words into my mouth and then
challenging me to defend them, now Kenny wants me to
back up the posts of someone named `leo86'.
Well, that IS different, I am forced to admit.
-- cary
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23 Dec 2007 08:37:44 AM |
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On Dec 21, 11:47 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <19ae3b6c-a75b-481f-b725-29274e6d3...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Dec 19, 3:15 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org>
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's too bad that Golden Compass failed at the box.
It didn't. US sales have been somewhat anemic, but it is doing pretty
well overseas. It won't be the biggest hit in history, but I don't
think anyone expected it to. It will likely make a profit, however,
and I would not be surprised to see the other two books made into
sequels.
And my impression is that the series was much more popular
in Britain than here, so I think the long-term overseas
recepits are what will make the difference, one way
or the other.
A quote from a thread you participated in (you replied to to the
discussion following this quote) where I was touting the success of
Evan Almighty....
"You don't know movie industry math, do you? A Hollywood movie has to
make two-and-a-half times its production budget just to BREAK EVEN!!!!
(Costs of prints, advertising, marketing, studio overhead etc. added
to the production cost.) So EVAN ALMIGHTY has got quite a ways to go.
It has to make close to $300 million MORE to show anything resembling
a profit. D'ya think TV and DVD sales will come anywhere close?"
So, are you, now, saying Evan Almighty was a profitable film?
Not content with putting his words into my mouth and then
challenging me to defend them, now Kenny wants me to
back up the posts of someone named `leo86'.
Well, that IS different, I am forced to admit.
-- cary
READ my words before that quote...please, take the time to READ
something.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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21 Dec 2007 10:02:12 AM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
A quote from a thread you participated in (you replied to to the
discussion following this quote) where I was touting the success of
Evan Almighty....
"You don't know movie industry math, do you? A Hollywood movie has to
make two-and-a-half times its production budget just to BREAK EVEN!!!!
(Costs of prints, advertising, marketing, studio overhead etc. added
to the production cost.) So EVAN ALMIGHTY has got quite a ways to go.
It has to make close to $300 million MORE to show anything resembling
a profit. D'ya think TV and DVD sales will come anywhere close?"
So, are you, now, saying Evan Almighty was a profitable film?
Apparently the studio thinks it might be:
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/evan-almighty-needs-a-hellacious-miracle/
<But, given the $210 mil budget, I'm told it needs $500 million
< worldwide to be really profitable. Universal, of course, calls this
< "voodoo math". It claims that the pic's budget is only $175 mil and
< with no first-dollar gross players thanks to a renegotiation it can
< see a profit at $250 mil worldwide.
Gross of $173 million and video rentals of $30 million so far. No
info on video sales, but they likely will exceed rentals, so indeed it
could make a profit by the studio's standards.
Not that I care. I may buy it sometime, but I haven't seen it or
Bruce.
lojbab
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21 Dec 2007 10:04:11 AM |
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On Dec 21, 10:02 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
A quote from a thread you participated in (you replied to to the
discussion following this quote) where I was touting the success of
Evan Almighty....
"You don't know movie industry math, do you? A Hollywood movie has to
make two-and-a-half times its production budget just to BREAK EVEN!!!!
(Costs of prints, advertising, marketing, studio overhead etc. added
to the production cost.) So EVAN ALMIGHTY has got quite a ways to go.
It has to make close to $300 million MORE to show anything resembling
a profit. D'ya think TV and DVD sales will come anywhere close?"
So, are you, now, saying Evan Almighty was a profitable film?
Apparently the studio thinks it might be:
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/evan-almighty-needs-a-hellaciou...
<But, given the $210 mil budget, I'm told it needs $500 million
< worldwide to be really profitable. Universal, of course, calls this
< "voodoo math". It claims that the pic's budget is only $175 mil and
< with no first-dollar gross players thanks to a renegotiation it can
< see a profit at $250 mil worldwide.
Gross of $173 million and video rentals of $30 million so far. No
info on video sales, but they likely will exceed rentals, so indeed it
could make a profit by the studio's standards.
Not that I care. I may buy it sometime, but I haven't seen it or
Bruce.
lojbab
It's an excellent..and very profitable (according to you)...Christian
backed picture (Christian music artists and the Gospel Music Channel
promoting it)...not to mention the Evan Almighty Christianity Today
cover.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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21 Dec 2007 02:59:18 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 21, 10:02 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
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So, are you, now, saying Evan Almighty was a profitable film?
Apparently the studio thinks it might be:
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/evan-almighty-needs-a-hellaciou...
<But, given the $210 mil budget, I'm told it needs $500 million
< worldwide to be really profitable. Universal, of course, calls this
< "voodoo math". It claims that the pic's budget is only $175 mil and
< with no first-dollar gross players thanks to a renegotiation it can
< see a profit at $250 mil worldwide.
Gross of $173 million and video rentals of $30 million so far. No
info on video sales, but they likely will exceed rentals, so indeed it
could make a profit by the studio's standards.
Not that I care. I may buy it sometime, but I haven't seen it or
Bruce.
It's an excellent
Anything you recommend is probably horrid.
and very profitable (according to you)
When did I say that? I said that the studio thinks it MIGHT be
profitable, and before that, I said that it COULD still make a profit.
Neither statement included the word "very".
...Christian
backed picture (Christian music artists and the Gospel Music Channel
promoting it)...not to mention the Evan Almighty Christianity Today
cover.
Whoopie.
lojbab
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19 Dec 2007 06:22:24 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's too bad that Golden Compass failed at the box.
It didn't. US sales have been somewhat anemic, but it is doing pretty
well overseas. It won't be the biggest hit in history, but I don't
think anyone expected it to. It will likely make a profit, however,
and I would not be surprised to see the other two books made into
sequels.
It was released a couple weeks too early to get the advantage of the
Christmas break, and we won't know until after that break is over what
the bottom line will be.
The reviews have pointed out something I could have said before the
movie was released - the trilogy is extremely complex, and there are
threads that are introduced in the first book that are bit players
until the later books. The director chose to be true enough to the
books to introduce those characters in the first movie, and they thus
make the story a bit muddled for the simple-minded Kennie-viewer.
I'd be interested to see if someone could make a three part movie out
of the original Paradise Lost, and get critical acclaim on the first
movie.
I pointed out
without actually seeing the movie, so far as we know.
I'm sad to say this film is going to go down as one of the
year's biggest flops (bigger loss than Evan Almighty)
which I suspect will make a profit, albeit not a large one. I see
grosses of 172 million and 30 million in DVD rentals. No idea about
DVD sales. And it is still in the video market place. Against
production costs of $175 million. I suspect it will make a slight
profit.
After a ho-hum
first weekend, the box has dropped off domestically by 65 percent in
the last weekend. After 2 weeks at the box, it has made just over 40
million domestically and about 100 million worldwide. It will no
reach the 200 million it took to make the film,
180 million according to boxofficemojo. And I see no reason to
believe that you are correct. We will have a better idea AFTER the
holidays.
let alone the 2xbudget
formula that everyone says must be reached to be profitable.
I haven't said it, so it simply is not the case that "everyone says"
it.
Entertainment Weekly said the other day that New Line will, likely,
not be doing any future sequels of the books into movies.
Your cite is lacking
We'll see. I suspect that EW doesn't know any more than Kennie does
about the matter.
lojbab
I hope there will be a sequel, because I liked the movie a lot. And I'm
going to state that every time someone mentions it, to challenge the
presumed consensus that it was a dud of a film. I found myself amazed
almost throughout. Now, I'm not a film critic, but I think I represent
the average filmgoer, a person who goes for the entertainment and
spectacle. I think the controversy might have harmed the film some,
especially among people who pay just enough attention to such things to
absorb soundbites from the periphery of their consciousness, people who
thought the movie might be "heavier" than it was. It was a damned good
story, and I'm hoping that there's an extended version to be released on
DVD.
And I'm hoping for the sequels.
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Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
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| User: "IsaacKuo" |
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20 Dec 2007 09:57:57 AM |
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On Dec 19, 6:22 pm, Alric Knebel <al...@cableone.net> wrote:
I hope there will be a sequel, because I liked the movie a lot.
I also hope there will be a sequel, because there's a lot of
really cool story bits which will be in the sequels. In
particular, I look forward to the character development of
Mrs. Coulter, and there are a lot of exciting action scenes
including a rather memorable scene with Lee Scorsby.
Also, a sequel will deal with my biggest frustration with
the movie, which is that they cut off the "big reveal" and
the climax of the first book. A bizarre decision, really.
Apparently, they filmed the movie to the end of the book,
but the ending didn't test well.
I think the controversy might have harmed the film some,
especially among people who pay just enough attention to such things to
absorb soundbites from the periphery of their consciousness, people who
thought the movie might be "heavier" than it was.
Personally, I think most people in the USA simply shrugged
at The Golden Compass as yet another LoTR wannabee,
but without the name recognition. Certainly, it was promoted
as if it were an epic fantasy movie in the LoTR/Narnia mold.
There have been a LOT of fantasy movies trying to emulate
the success of LoTR, but only Narnia managed to succeed,
at least in the USA. Why? Name recognition, I'd expect.
Oh, Dungeons and Dragons also had name recongition, but
those movies were simply too atrocious to succeed.
Now, the His Dark Materials trilogy is well known across the
pond, so it's not surprising that it's doing well there. But few
have heard of the series here in the USA.
It was a damned good
story, and I'm hoping that there's an extended version to be released on
DVD.
What would be ideal is if the DVD includes the original ending,
and they reshoot scenes as necessary to start off the second
movie with the first book's climax.
It's going to be a weird way to start a movie, though.
Isaac Kuo
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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21 Dec 2007 08:06:15 AM |
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On Dec 19, 2:15 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's too bad that Golden Compass failed at the box.
It didn't. US sales have been somewhat anemic, but it is doing pretty
well overseas. It won't be the biggest hit in history, but I don't
think anyone expected it to. It will likely make a profit, however,
and I would not be surprised to see the other two books made into
sequels.
According to everyone on the movie groups (after Evan Almighty made
back it's costs), a movie has to make twice it's budget to be
profitable. There is no chance this film will do that, sadly. As for
the sequels, see below.
I'd be interested to see if someone could make a three part movie out
of the original Paradise Lost, and get critical acclaim on the first
movie.
Actually, the same movie company that made The Da Vinci Code IS doing
Paradise Lost with the director from The Exorcism of Emily Rose and
Christian producers.
I'm sad to say this film is going to go down as one of the
year's biggest flops (bigger loss than Evan Almighty)
which I suspect will make a profit, albeit not a large one. I see
grosses of 172 million and 30 million in DVD rentals. No idea about
DVD sales. And it is still in the video market place. Against
production costs of $175 million. I suspect it will make a slight
profit.
Again, those of the film groups, on here, say you need twice the
budget to make a profit.
After a ho-hum
first weekend, the box has dropped off domestically by 65 percent in
the last weekend. After 2 weeks at the box, it has made just over 40
million domestically and about 100 million worldwide. It will no
reach the 200 million it took to make the film,
180 million according to boxofficemojo. And I see no reason to
believe that you are correct. We will have a better idea AFTER the
holidays.
let alone the 2xbudget
formula that everyone says must be reached to be profitable.
I haven't said it, so it simply is not the case that "everyone says"
it.
Entertainment Weekly said the other day that New Line will, likely,
not be doing any future sequels of the books into movies.
Your cite is lacking
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20166652,00.html
Note the line that says at this rate there would be NO way that New
Line would do a sequel. I guess they, too, know less than you, Bob.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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21 Dec 2007 10:07:25 AM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 19, 2:15 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's too bad that Golden Compass failed at the box.
It didn't. US sales have been somewhat anemic, but it is doing pretty
well overseas. It won't be the biggest hit in history, but I don't
think anyone expected it to. It will likely make a profit, however,
and I would not be surprised to see the other two books made into
sequels.
According to everyone on the movie groups (after Evan Almighty made
back it's costs), a movie has to make twice it's budget to be
profitable.
That is silly. A movie which makes back one dollar more than its
costs has made a profit of $1. Of course it all depends on what is
counted in "costs" and "makes back".
There is no chance this film will do that, sadly.
Only Universal will know, if even they can tell.
I'd be interested to see if someone could make a three part movie out
of the original Paradise Lost, and get critical acclaim on the first
movie.
Actually, the same movie company that made The Da Vinci Code IS doing
Paradise Lost with the director from The Exorcism of Emily Rose and
Christian producers.
I said a three part movie, in which the success of the first part
determines whether the other two parts even get made.
I'm sad to say this film is going to go down as one of the
year's biggest flops (bigger loss than Evan Almighty)
which I suspect will make a profit, albeit not a large one. I see
grosses of 172 million and 30 million in DVD rentals. No idea about
DVD sales. And it is still in the video market place. Against
production costs of $175 million. I suspect it will make a slight
profit.
Again, those of the film groups, on here, say you need twice the
budget to make a profit.
Whoopie for them. Universal calls it "voodoo math" and it is.
Entertainment Weekly said the other day that New Line will, likely,
not be doing any future sequels of the books into movies.
Your cite is lacking
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20166652,00.html
"Sorry, page not found"
lojbab
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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21 Dec 2007 10:13:31 AM |
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On Dec 21, 10:07 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 19, 2:15 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's too bad that Golden Compass failed at the box.
It didn't. US sales have been somewhat anemic, but it is doing pretty
well overseas. It won't be the biggest hit in history, but I don't
think anyone expected it to. It will likely make a profit, however,
and I would not be surprised to see the other two books made into
sequels.
According to everyone on the movie groups (after Evan Almighty made
back it's costs), a movie has to make twice it's budget to be
profitable.
That is silly. A movie which makes back one dollar more than its
costs has made a profit of $1. Of course it all depends on what is
counted in "costs" and "makes back".
So...these sites are wrong?
http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?indexID=46
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_office_bomb
There is no chance this film will do that, sadly.
Only Universal will know, if even they can tell.
I'd be interested to see if someone could make a three part movie out
of the original Paradise Lost, and get critical acclaim on the first
movie.
Actually, the same movie company that made The Da Vinci Code IS doing
Paradise Lost with the director from The Exorcism of Emily Rose and
Christian producers.
I said a three part movie, in which the success of the first part
determines whether the other two parts even get made.
I'm sad to say this film is going to go down as one of the
year's biggest flops (bigger loss than Evan Almighty)
which I suspect will make a profit, albeit not a large one. I see
grosses of 172 million and 30 million in DVD rentals. No idea about
DVD sales. And it is still in the video market place. Against
production costs of $175 million. I suspect it will make a slight
profit.
Again, those of the film groups, on here, say you need twice the
budget to make a profit.
Whoopie for them. Universal calls it "voodoo math" and it is.
Entertainment Weekly said the other day that New Line will, likely,
not be doing any future sequels of the books into movies.
Your cite is lacking
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20166652,00.html
"Sorry, page not found"
lojbab
Try again. It works for me, so I know the link is valid...unless you
are being intentionally deceptive.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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21 Dec 2007 03:09:36 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
Entertainment Weekly said the other day that New Line will, likely,
not be doing any future sequels of the books into movies.
Your cite is lacking
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20166652,00.html
"Sorry, page not found"
lojbab
Try again. It works for me, so I know the link is valid...unless you
are being intentionally deceptive.
My newsreader apparently didn't like all the commas. When I typed it
in manually it worked. Of course the article doesn't say what you
claim it says.
The closest relevant quote is "Enjoy this one, kids, 'cause at this
rate there's no way New Line is going to get behind a sequel."
which of course is not quite what you claim that it said. (For one
thing, it is clearly couched as the personal opinion of the author of
the article, and not as a report from New Line).
lojbab
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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23 Dec 2007 08:40:56 AM |
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On Dec 21, 3:09 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Entertainment Weekly said the other day that New Line will, likely,
not be doing any future sequels of the books into movies.
Of course the article doesn't say what you
claim it says.
The closest relevant quote is "Enjoy this one, kids, 'cause at this
rate there's no way New Line is going to get behind a sequel."
Yeah..they are lightyears apart...whatever you say.
Where is your response to the other links? Do you think they lied
about how box office profit is computed?
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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