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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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19 Jul 2007 09:16:01 AM |
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Harry Potter a Lord of the Rings knock off? |
If you think about it, Harry Potter is just a Lord of the Rings knock
off. You have a small group that is empowered to rise up against a
supposedly dead evil lord and the corrupt leader that this lord placed
over them (fellowship=Harry's group, Sauron=Voldermont, Saruman=the
headmistriss).
However, if you are going to say it is legitimate to copy your plot
from other things, I can expect no objection, later, when
Shadowmancer's film is made (Universal), Showdown's film is made
(Fox), The Dark is Rising is made (Fox), or Prince Caspian is made
(Disney) ... all similar plots to Harry Potter...right?
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Vosotros" |
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| Title: Re: Harry Potter a Lord of the Rings knock off? |
19 Jul 2007 09:39:50 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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If you think about it, Harry Potter is just a Lord of the Rings knock
off.
No, if you actually THINK about it, they are nothing alike.
You have a small group that is empowered to rise up against a
supposedly dead evil lord and the corrupt leader that this lord placed
over them (fellowship=Harry's group, Sauron=Voldermont, Saruman=the
headmistriss).
Good vs. evil is a pretty universal theme. It has spanned all cultures for
thousands of years. Trying to compare Potter and LotR for being about good
vs. evil would be like comparing Giant and Gone with the Wind because they
were about the cultural rot of a plantation family.
However, if you are going to say it is legitimate to copy your plot
from other things, I can expect no objection, later, when
Shadowmancer's film is made (Universal), Showdown's film is made
(Fox), The Dark is Rising is made (Fox), or Prince Caspian is made
(Disney) ... all similar plots to Harry Potter...right?
Why would anyone complain?
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Harry Potter a Lord of the Rings knock off? |
19 Jul 2007 10:49:29 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184854561.363422.278680@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
If you think about it, Harry Potter is just a Lord of the Rings knock
off. You have a small group that is empowered to rise up against a
supposedly dead evil lord and the corrupt leader that this lord placed
over them (fellowship=Harry's group, Sauron=Voldermont, Saruman=the
headmistriss).
However, if you are going to say it is legitimate to copy your plot
from other things, I can expect no objection, later, when
Shadowmancer's film is made (Universal), Showdown's film is made
(Fox), The Dark is Rising is made (Fox), or Prince Caspian is made
(Disney) ... all similar plots to Harry Potter...right?
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Only the movies may seem a bit similar.
--
What are your predictions for Harry Potter & the Deathly Hallows?
http://www.opiniondb.com/DoSurveyList.aspx?id=7f5b75f0-e2b2-4035-b77c-3dbf1e993d08
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| User: "Red Cloud" |
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| Title: Re: Harry Potter a Lord of the Rings knock off? |
19 Jul 2007 03:51:15 PM |
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On Jul 19, 7:16 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you think about it, Harry Potter is just a Lord of the Rings knock
off. You have a small group that is empowered to rise up against a
supposedly dead evil lord and the corrupt leader that this lord placed
over them (fellowship=Harry's group, Sauron=Voldermont, Saruman=the
headmistriss).
However, if you are going to say it is legitimate to copy your plot
from other things, I can expect no objection, later, when
Shadowmancer's film is made (Universal), Showdown's film is made
(Fox), The Dark is Rising is made (Fox), or Prince Caspian is made
(Disney) ... all similar plots to Harry Potter...right?
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
***** your kind of Christian watching Harry Potter!
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Harry Potter a Lord of the Rings knock off? |
19 Jul 2007 12:59:02 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you think about it, Harry Potter is just a Lord of the Rings knock
off.
Not hardly.
You have a small group that is empowered
"empowered"???
to rise up against a supposedly dead evil lord and the corrupt leader that this lord placed
over them (fellowship=Harry's group, Sauron=Voldermont, Saruman=the
headmistriss).
You apparently weren't paying attention. You parallels are incorrect.
Read the book before making more of a fool of yourself.
However, if you are going to say it is legitimate to copy your plot
from other things, I can expect no objection, later, when
Shadowmancer's film is made (Universal), Showdown's film is made
(Fox), The Dark is Rising is made (Fox), or Prince Caspian is made
(Disney) ... all similar plots to Harry Potter...right?
I don't think that any of them have "similar plots to Harry Potter".
Nor can I see any reason to object to films being made from the books.
lojbab
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| User: "Vosotros" |
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| Title: Re: Harry Potter a Lord of the Rings knock off? |
19 Jul 2007 03:28:24 PM |
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you think about it, Harry Potter is just a Lord of the Rings knock
off.
Not hardly.
You have a small group that is empowered
"empowered"???
to rise up against a supposedly dead evil lord and the corrupt leader that
this lord placed
over them (fellowship=Harry's group, Sauron=Voldermont, Saruman=the
headmistriss).
You apparently weren't paying attention. You parallels are incorrect.
Read the book before making more of a fool of yourself.
However, if you are going to say it is legitimate to copy your plot
from other things, I can expect no objection, later, when
Shadowmancer's film is made (Universal), Showdown's film is made
(Fox), The Dark is Rising is made (Fox), or Prince Caspian is made
(Disney) ... all similar plots to Harry Potter...right?
I don't think that any of them have "similar plots to Harry Potter".
Nor can I see any reason to object to films being made from the books.
Do you think, somehow, that this is going to turn into something about Jebus
or Narnia?
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: Harry Potter a Lord of the Rings knock off? |
21 Jul 2007 07:39:33 AM |
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On Jul 19, 3:28 pm, "Vosotros" <Vosot...@spam.com> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:r69v93lj9nqdhmpjussvu3bjhl25h9h71m@4ax.com...
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you think about it, Harry Potter is just a Lord of the Rings knock
off.
Not hardly.
You have a small group that is empowered
"empowered"???
to rise up against a supposedly dead evil lord and the corrupt leader that
this lord placed
over them (fellowship=Harry's group, Sauron=Voldermont, Saruman=the
headmistriss).
You apparently weren't paying attention. You parallels are incorrect.
Read the book before making more of a fool of yourself.
However, if you are going to say it is legitimate to copy your plot
from other things, I can expect no objection, later, when
Shadowmancer's film is made (Universal), Showdown's film is made
(Fox), The Dark is Rising is made (Fox), or Prince Caspian is made
(Disney) ... all similar plots to Harry Potter...right?
I don't think that any of them have "similar plots to Harry Potter".
Nor can I see any reason to object to films being made from the books.
Do you think, somehow, that this is going to turn into something about Jebus
or Narnia?
Jesus and his group was one of the earliest examples of this concept
of an empoowered group in an evil land fighting against an evil,
hidden being and those he uses to rule them.
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Vosotros" |
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| Title: Re: Harry Potter a Lord of the Rings knock off? |
21 Jul 2007 11:38:02 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185021573.477820.47470@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 19, 3:28 pm, "Vosotros" <Vosot...@spam.com> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:r69v93lj9nqdhmpjussvu3bjhl25h9h71m@4ax.com...
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you think about it, Harry Potter is just a Lord of the Rings knock
off.
Not hardly.
You have a small group that is empowered
"empowered"???
to rise up against a supposedly dead evil lord and the corrupt leader
that
this lord placed
over them (fellowship=Harry's group, Sauron=Voldermont, Saruman=the
headmistriss).
You apparently weren't paying attention. You parallels are incorrect.
Read the book before making more of a fool of yourself.
However, if you are going to say it is legitimate to copy your plot
from other things, I can expect no objection, later, when
Shadowmancer's film is made (Universal), Showdown's film is made
(Fox), The Dark is Rising is made (Fox), or Prince Caspian is made
(Disney) ... all similar plots to Harry Potter...right?
I don't think that any of them have "similar plots to Harry Potter".
Nor can I see any reason to object to films being made from the books.
Do you think, somehow, that this is going to turn into something about
Jebus
or Narnia?
Jesus and his group was one of the earliest examples of this concept
of an empoowered group in an evil land fighting against an evil,
hidden being and those he uses to rule them.
Unless of course you take into account all the stories and religious works
that predate the bible and have similar themes. Most of the stories in the
bible are taken from some other religion somewhere.
I figured this was going to lead to something like this, though.
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| User: "Derek Janssen" |
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| Title: Re: Harry Potter a Lord of the Rings knock off? |
19 Jul 2007 04:33:53 PM |
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Vosotros wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
Shadowmancer's film is made (Universal), Showdown's film is made
(Fox), The Dark is Rising is made (Fox), or Prince Caspian is made
(Disney) ... all similar plots to Harry Potter...right?
Do you think, somehow, that this is going to turn into something about Jebus
or Narnia?
No, sadly, not much chance of that anymore... :(
As can be noted from the fact that the Christian groups are no longer
crossposted, Ken's now turned into a commercialized secular RichA, now
imagining himself a "media gadfly", and trying to synthesize desperate
artificial arguments about whatever movie happens to be getting media
exposure that particular week.
Especially if they're geeky Comic Book Guy special-FX movies, but then
we already knew his area of taste.
(And similarly, like the named poster, we have those lovably naive
cart-before-the-horse arguments of "Ha, here's what I think the movie
symbolizes...Uh, is it?--I'm asking! Lemme know when you see it"--
I confess I've never quite seen the logic trying to harangue someone by
checking your answers with them and asking them to *tell* you whether
you're right...There seems to be some sort of strategic flaw there,
can't quite identify it.)
But as they say, one can either worship God or mammon, and Kenny went
for the easy brandname ratings points.
There's a larger metaphor here for what happened to the ex-Passionistas
who started going gaga over Pixar and Peter Jackson, but I'll leave that
drive-thru to others.
Derek Janssen
ejanss@comcast.net
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Harry Potter a Lord of the Rings knock off? |
19 Jul 2007 01:48:07 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you think about it, Harry Potter is just a Lord of the Rings knock
off.
Not hardly.
You have a small group that is empowered
"empowered"???
to rise up against a supposedly dead evil lord and the corrupt leader that this lord placed
over them (fellowship=Harry's group, Sauron=Voldermont, Saruman=the
headmistriss).
You apparently weren't paying attention. You parallels are incorrect.
Read the book before making more of a fool of yourself.
However, if you are going to say it is legitimate to copy your plot
from other things, I can expect no objection, later, when
Shadowmancer's film is made (Universal), Showdown's film is made
(Fox), The Dark is Rising is made (Fox), or Prince Caspian is made
(Disney) ... all similar plots to Harry Potter...right?
I don't think that any of them have "similar plots to Harry Potter".
Nor can I see any reason to object to films being made from the books.
You mean a small group of ordinary folks going up against apparently
insuperable odds, struggling against both wordly forces and
powers from beyond the natural world, learning about
thmselves in the process, losing some members along the way,
and eventually emerging victorous, yet subtly changed?
Nope, never been done before. Sounds promising, though. I look
forward to seeing if this could be made into a workable story.
-- cary
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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19 Jul 2007 01:53:41 PM |
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In article <f7obl7$okv$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> (Cary Kittrell) writes:
Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you think about it, Harry Potter is just a Lord of the Rings knock
off.
Not hardly.
You have a small group that is empowered
"empowered"???
to rise up against a supposedly dead evil lord and the corrupt leader that this lord placed
over them (fellowship=Harry's group, Sauron=Voldermont, Saruman=the
headmistriss).
You apparently weren't paying attention. You parallels are incorrect.
Read the book before making more of a fool of yourself.
However, if you are going to say it is legitimate to copy your plot
from other things, I can expect no objection, later, when
Shadowmancer's film is made (Universal), Showdown's film is made
(Fox), The Dark is Rising is made (Fox), or Prince Caspian is made
(Disney) ... all similar plots to Harry Potter...right?
I don't think that any of them have "similar plots to Harry Potter".
Nor can I see any reason to object to films being made from the books.
You mean a small group of ordinary folks going up against apparently
insuperable odds, struggling against both wordly forces and
powers from beyond the natural world, learning about
thmselves in the process, losing some members along the way,
and eventually emerging victorous, yet subtly changed?
Nope, never been done before. Sounds promising, though. I look
forward to seeing if this could be made into a workable story.
I might add that anyone runs into a guy named "Homer", you might
pitch this story concept to him. He's been sort of stuck since
finishing his last book
http://www.amazon.com/Iliad-Penguin-Classics-Deluxe/dp/0140275363/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-3617603-9417402?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184871103&sr=8-2
and would probably be grateful for the plot suggestions.
-- cary
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| User: "Derek Janssen" |
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| Title: Re: Harry Potter a Lord of the Rings knock off? |
19 Jul 2007 11:57:01 AM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
If you think about it, Harry Potter is just a Lord of the Rings knock
off. You have a small group that is empowered to rise up against a
supposedly dead evil lord and the corrupt leader that this lord placed
over them (fellowship=Harry's group, Sauron=Voldermont, Saruman=the
headmistriss).
However, if you are going to say it is legitimate to copy your plot
from other things, I can expect no objection, later, when
Shadowmancer's film is made (Universal), Showdown's film is made
(Fox), The Dark is Rising is made (Fox), or Prince Caspian is made
(Disney) ... all similar plots to Harry Potter...right?
....Are you asking because you don't know?
Derek Janssen (gee, whatever happened to "Christian superhero movies",
before we decided to expand that franchise brandname?)
ejanss@comcast.net
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