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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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05 Jun 2007 11:06:50 AM |
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Hurricane Creator - Satan |
I was recently reading through the story of Paul sailing to Rome on
God's mission. During the course of the trip, a great storm came and
hit the boat. This storm was SOO big, in fact, that fourteen days
later, they were still in it at sea. I took note of a few things,
that I'd like to share here.
1. God warned Paul about the storm, before it happened, showing God
didn't WANT Paul to face it.
2. DURING the storm, Paul received confirmation that He was on God's
mission by going to Rome.
Thus, this hurricane that struck them could not have been from God.
If God created the storm to come against His own mission, He'd be
divided against Himself. However...
3. God was able to protect those He wanted to, despite the force of
the storm.
Even though the storm wasn't OF God, He had the power to protect those
who trusted in Him, which is really amazing when you consider He
protected a tiny ship crew's lives from a hurricane.
But, some of you are saying, "Why did God ALLOW the hurricane to hit
them?" By rejecting God's warning through Paul, the crew subjected
themselves to the storm of the "prince of the power of the
air" (Satan). Paul just happened to be on their boat (like many
Christians today are). Likewise, many are, today, rejecting the
authority of the King of God, but they want the protection of the
Kingdom of God. Why should God protect those the reject His reign?
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god |
06 Jun 2007 06:00:03 AM |
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<Ken Clifton
<christiannutcase.com
for some reason, the all-loving christian god sits on his FAT, LAZY *****,
laughing his sick ***** off while hurricanes are killing people and destroying
their lives
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god |
08 Jun 2007 12:38:19 PM |
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On Jun 6, 4:00 am, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
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<Ken Clifton
<christiannutcase.com
for some reason, the all-loving christian god sits on his FAT, LAZY *****,
laughing his sick ***** off while hurricanes are killing people and destroying
their lives
And He is supposed to prevent hurricanes?
Michael
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| User: "Zadok" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - Satan |
05 Jun 2007 11:40:16 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <who is getting weirder and weirder in his posts>
wrote in message ...
I was recently reading through the story of Paul sailing to Rome on
God's mission. During the course of the trip, a great storm came and
hit the boat. This storm was SOO big, in fact, that fourteen days
later, they were still in it at sea. I took note of a few things,
that I'd like to share here.
1. God warned Paul about the storm, before it happened, showing God
didn't WANT Paul to face it.
So why bother to warn Paul, when he already knew that Paul would totally
ignore the warning??
2. DURING the storm, Paul received confirmation that He was on God's
mission by going to Rome.
This confirmation obviously took the form of ignoring a warning from God.
How that is confirmation, only Kenny knows!!
Thus, this hurricane that struck them could not have been from God.
If God created the storm to come against His own mission, He'd be
divided against Himself. However...
How come God knew about it before hand. To say that God knows what Satan is
going to do beforehand, means that God has the power to prevent all of
Satan's plans. Why doesn't God do that Kenny??
It also would demonstrate that God has power over Satan. If Satan is the
author of all evil, why wouldn't God just kill Satan?? He didn't have any
quams about rubbing out all of mankind with a flood, while saving Noah and
his family, already knowing before hand, that it would not work.
3. God was able to protect those He wanted to, despite the force of
the storm.
Why would he protect Paul who totally ignored his warning??
Even though the storm wasn't OF God, He had the power to protect those
who trusted in Him, which is really amazing when you consider He
protected a tiny ship crew's lives from a hurricane.
In the history of mankind, many people on ships have survived hurricanes.
But, some of you are saying, "Why did God ALLOW the hurricane to hit
them?" By rejecting God's warning through Paul, the crew subjected
themselves to the storm of the "prince of the power of the
air" (Satan).
Who got the warning?? Paul??
Paul just happened to be on their boat (like many
Christians today are).
Didn't Paul get the warning?? Just happened to be on their boat??
It's like you twist the whole fucking story to agree with your own idiotic
notions.
Why should God protect those the reject His reign?
In your idiotic logic, for the same reason he wanted to protect someone who
rejected his warning.
What did Falwell and his clowns teach you Kenny??
Smile.
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - Satan |
06 Jun 2007 12:49:51 AM |
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On Jun 5, 11:40 am, "Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <who is getting weirder and weirder in his posts>
wrote in message ...
I was recently reading through the story of Paul sailing to Rome on
God's mission. During the course of the trip, a great storm came and
hit the boat. This storm was SOO big, in fact, that fourteen days
later, they were still in it at sea. I took note of a few things,
that I'd like to share here.
1. God warned Paul about the storm, before it happened, showing God
didn't WANT Paul to face it.
So why bother to warn Paul, when he already knew that Paul would totally
ignore the warning??
2. DURING the storm, Paul received confirmation that He was on God's
mission by going to Rome.
This confirmation obviously took the form of ignoring a warning from God.
How that is confirmation, only Kenny knows!!
Thus, this hurricane that struck them could not have been from God.
If God created the storm to come against His own mission, He'd be
divided against Himself. However...
How come God knew about it before hand. To say that God knows what Satan is
going to do beforehand, means that God has the power to prevent all of
Satan's plans. Why doesn't God do that Kenny??
It also would demonstrate that God has power over Satan. If Satan is the
author of all evil, why wouldn't God just kill Satan?? He didn't have any
quams about rubbing out all of mankind with a flood, while saving Noah and
his family, already knowing before hand, that it would not work.
3. God was able to protect those He wanted to, despite the force of
the storm.
Why would he protect Paul who totally ignored his warning??
Even though the storm wasn't OF God, He had the power to protect those
who trusted in Him, which is really amazing when you consider He
protected a tiny ship crew's lives from a hurricane.
In the history of mankind, many people on ships have survived hurricanes.
But, some of you are saying, "Why did God ALLOW the hurricane to hit
them?" By rejecting God's warning through Paul, the crew subjected
themselves to the storm of the "prince of the power of the
air" (Satan).
Who got the warning?? Paul??
Paul just happened to be on their boat (like many
Christians today are).
Didn't Paul get the warning?? Just happened to be on their boat??
It's like you twist the whole fucking story to agree with your own idiotic
notions.
Why should God protect those the reject His reign?
In your idiotic logic, for the same reason he wanted to protect someone who
rejected his warning.
Paul was a prisoner and was taken against the warning against his
will...you should read the Bible before commenting on it. However,
you think you are countering me, but you are making my case for me, so
I'll let it stand as posted.
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - Satan |
08 Jun 2007 12:37:00 PM |
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On Jun 5, 9:40 am, "Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <who is getting weirder and weirder in his posts>
wrote in message ...
I was recently reading through the story of Paul sailing to Rome on
God's mission. During the course of the trip, a great storm came and
hit the boat. This storm was SOO big, in fact, that fourteen days
later, they were still in it at sea. I took note of a few things,
that I'd like to share here.
1. God warned Paul about the storm, before it happened, showing God
didn't WANT Paul to face it.
So why bother to warn Paul, when he already knew that Paul would totally
ignore the warning??
He wanted Paul to have a choice.
Paul chose to ignore the warning.
2. DURING the storm, Paul received confirmation that He was on God's
mission by going to Rome.
This confirmation obviously took the form of ignoring a warning from God.
How that is confirmation, only Kenny knows!!
Thus, this hurricane that struck them could not have been from God.
If God created the storm to come against His own mission, He'd be
divided against Himself. However...
How come God knew about it before hand. To say that God knows what Satan is
going to do beforehand, means that God has the power to prevent all of
Satan's plans. Why doesn't God do that Kenny??
God sometimes allows Satan to succeed to teach sinners a lesson.
It also would demonstrate that God has power over Satan. If Satan is the
author of all evil, why wouldn't God just kill Satan?? He didn't have any
quams about rubbing out all of mankind with a flood, while saving Noah and
his family, already knowing before hand, that it would not work.
God does not feel like killing Satan.
3. God was able to protect those He wanted to, despite the force of
the storm.
Why would he protect Paul who totally ignored his warning??
god wanted Paul to reach Rome.
Of course, Paul ended up soggy and wet, probably ruining a few sets
of clothes, so it is not as if Paul got away unscathed.
Michael
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| User: "Chuck Stamford" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - Satan |
05 Jun 2007 11:03:24 PM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1181059610.918062.269010@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
I was recently reading through the story of Paul sailing to Rome on
God's mission. During the course of the trip, a great storm came and
hit the boat. This storm was SOO big, in fact, that fourteen days
later, they were still in it at sea. I took note of a few things,
that I'd like to share here.
1. God warned Paul about the storm, before it happened, showing God
didn't WANT Paul to face it.
2. DURING the storm, Paul received confirmation that He was on God's
mission by going to Rome.
Thus, this hurricane that struck them could not have been from God.
If God created the storm to come against His own mission, He'd be
divided against Himself. However...
3. God was able to protect those He wanted to, despite the force of
the storm.
Even though the storm wasn't OF God, He had the power to protect those
who trusted in Him, which is really amazing when you consider He
protected a tiny ship crew's lives from a hurricane.
But, some of you are saying, "Why did God ALLOW the hurricane to hit
them?" By rejecting God's warning through Paul, the crew subjected
themselves to the storm of the "prince of the power of the
air" (Satan). Paul just happened to be on their boat (like many
Christians today are). Likewise, many are, today, rejecting the
authority of the King of God, but they want the protection of the
Kingdom of God. Why should God protect those the reject His reign?
Ken it's a nicely drawn analogy, but "why" questions when asked of God's
actions or inaction in a given set of circumstances cannot, I think, be
answered quite so easily as this.
Why does God allow hurricanes at all? Why are there hurricanes in the
eastern Mediterranean at that time of year? Why does God allow them, and
why then more than any other time of year? Why has God allowed one of the
most evil cities in the modern world - Los Angeles - to enjoy perhaps the
best climate on the planet?
Chuck Stamford
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| User: ": Lawrence :" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - Satan |
05 Jun 2007 11:21:16 PM |
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On Jun 6, 2:03 pm, "Chuck Stamford" <shell__stamf...@cox.net> wrote:
Why has God allowed one of the
most evil cities in the modern world - Los Angeles - to enjoy perhaps the
best climate on the planet?
Because it was initially a Spanish Catholic mission.. ;)
And since you're a fundamentalist, God sends hurricanes and tornadoes
your way.
(The scientific answer is longer, but not as fun)
lawrence
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| User: "Chuck Stamford" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - Satan |
06 Jun 2007 08:48:06 PM |
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"(: Lawrence :)" <lmeckan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1181103676.637201.209580@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 6, 2:03 pm, "Chuck Stamford" <shell__stamf...@cox.net> wrote:
Why has God allowed one of the
most evil cities in the modern world - Los Angeles - to enjoy perhaps the
best climate on the planet?
Because it was initially a Spanish Catholic mission.. ;)
And since you're a fundamentalist, God sends hurricanes and tornadoes
your way.
(The scientific answer is longer, but not as fun)
Well I'm glad someone got a kick out of it.
Chuck Stamford
lawrence
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| User: "r m r m@hotmailDOTcom" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - Satan |
05 Jun 2007 03:36:13 PM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1181059610.918062.269010@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
I was recently reading through the story of Paul sailing to Rome on
God's mission. During the course of the trip, a great storm came and
hit the boat. This storm was SOO big, in fact, that fourteen days
later, they were still in it at sea. I took note of a few things,
that I'd like to share here.
1. God warned Paul about the storm, before it happened, showing God
didn't WANT Paul to face it.
2. DURING the storm, Paul received confirmation that He was on God's
mission by going to Rome.
Thus, this hurricane that struck them could not have been from God.
If God created the storm to come against His own mission, He'd be
divided against Himself. However...
3. God was able to protect those He wanted to, despite the force of
the storm.
Does not always hold true. The story of Job, for example.
Even though the storm wasn't OF God, He had the power to protect those
who trusted in Him, which is really amazing when you consider He
protected a tiny ship crew's lives from a hurricane.
I'm beginning to see those things different these days in light of Isa
45:7, and Amos 3:6.
"I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I
am the LORD, who does all these things ... is a trumpet blown in a city,
and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come to a city, unless the
LORD has done it? "
I don't know anywhere in scripture where other forces at work in disasters
of this world. For example, the accident in Siloam (Luk 13:4) shows no
such attributions by our Lords telling. And that goes for of all the
natual disasters described in the Bible I know of.
Paul's storm experience is nothing compared to the devastation of the Great
Flood; and I'm not going to venture saying Who put that in motion.
But, some of you are saying, "Why did God ALLOW the hurricane to hit
them?" By rejecting God's warning through Paul, the crew subjected
themselves to the storm of the "prince of the power of the
air" (Satan). ...
I think that is not what the writer is trying to convey. I take 'the air'
denotes the spiritual realm for it is said to be at 'work in the sons of
disobedience' (Eph 2:2). I don't think this has anything to do with
storms.
Cheers.
... Paul just happened to be on their boat (like many
Christians today are). Likewise, many are, today, rejecting the
authority of the King of God, but they want the protection of the
Kingdom of God. Why should God protect those the reject His reign?
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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06 Jun 2007 12:53:09 AM |
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On Jun 5, 3:36 pm, "r m" <r m@hotmailDOTcom> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1181059610.918062.269010@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
I was recently reading through the story of Paul sailing to Rome on
God's mission. During the course of the trip, a great storm came and
hit the boat. This storm was SOO big, in fact, that fourteen days
later, they were still in it at sea. I took note of a few things,
that I'd like to share here.
1. God warned Paul about the storm, before it happened, showing God
didn't WANT Paul to face it.
2. DURING the storm, Paul received confirmation that He was on God's
mission by going to Rome.
Thus, this hurricane that struck them could not have been from God.
If God created the storm to come against His own mission, He'd be
divided against Himself. However...
3. God was able to protect those He wanted to, despite the force of
the storm.
Does not always hold true. The story of Job, for example.
Even though the storm wasn't OF God, He had the power to protect those
who trusted in Him, which is really amazing when you consider He
protected a tiny ship crew's lives from a hurricane.
I'm beginning to see those things different these days in light of Isa
45:7, and Amos 3:6.
"I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I
am the LORD, who does all these things ... is a trumpet blown in a city,
and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come to a city, unless the
LORD has done it? "
I don't know anywhere in scripture where other forces at work in disasters
of this world. For example, the accident in Siloam (Luk 13:4) shows no
such attributions by our Lords telling. And that goes for of all the
natual disasters described in the Bible I know of.
Paul's storm experience is nothing compared to the devastation of the Great
Flood; and I'm not going to venture saying Who put that in motion.
But, some of you are saying, "Why did God ALLOW the hurricane to hit
them?" By rejecting God's warning through Paul, the crew subjected
themselves to the storm of the "prince of the power of the
air" (Satan). ...
I think that is not what the writer is trying to convey. I take 'the air'
denotes the spiritual realm for it is said to be at 'work in the sons of
disobedience' (Eph 2:2). I don't think this has anything to do with
storms.
Cheers.
... Paul just happened to be on their boat (like many
Christians today are). Likewise, many are, today, rejecting the
authority of the King of God, but they want the protection of the
Kingdom of God. Why should God protect those the reject His reign?
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Who brought the storm against Paul's boat. He was on God's mission,
and God confirmed that in the middle of the storm. So, if the storm
was God's doing, God would be divided against Himself. The same is
true of the storm that came against Jesus boat. Was God divided
against Himself there too?
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "r m r m@hotmailDOTcom" |
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06 Jun 2007 04:31:37 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1181109189.241513.145650@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 5, 3:36 pm, "r m" <r m@hotmailDOTcom> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in
messagenews:1181059610.918062.269010@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
I was recently reading through the story of Paul sailing to Rome on
God's mission. During the course of the trip, a great storm came and
hit the boat. This storm was SOO big, in fact, that fourteen days
later, they were still in it at sea. I took note of a few things,
that I'd like to share here.
1. God warned Paul about the storm, before it happened, showing God
didn't WANT Paul to face it.
2. DURING the storm, Paul received confirmation that He was on God's
mission by going to Rome.
Thus, this hurricane that struck them could not have been from God.
If God created the storm to come against His own mission, He'd be
divided against Himself. However...
3. God was able to protect those He wanted to, despite the force of
the storm.
Does not always hold true. The story of Job, for example.
Even though the storm wasn't OF God, He had the power to protect those
who trusted in Him, which is really amazing when you consider He
protected a tiny ship crew's lives from a hurricane.
I'm beginning to see those things different these days in light of Isa
45:7, and Amos 3:6.
"I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create
calamity, I
am the LORD, who does all these things ... is a trumpet blown in a city,
and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come to a city, unless the
LORD has done it? "
I don't know anywhere in scripture where other forces at work in
disasters
of this world. For example, the accident in Siloam (Luk 13:4) shows no
such attributions by our Lords telling. And that goes for of all the
natual disasters described in the Bible I know of.
Paul's storm experience is nothing compared to the devastation of the
Great
Flood; and I'm not going to venture saying Who put that in motion.
But, some of you are saying, "Why did God ALLOW the hurricane to hit
them?" By rejecting God's warning through Paul, the crew subjected
themselves to the storm of the "prince of the power of the
air" (Satan). ...
I think that is not what the writer is trying to convey. I take 'the
air'
denotes the spiritual realm for it is said to be at 'work in the sons of
disobedience' (Eph 2:2). I don't think this has anything to do with
storms.
Cheers.
... Paul just happened to be on their boat (like many
Christians today are). Likewise, many are, today, rejecting the
authority of the King of God, but they want the protection of the
Kingdom of God. Why should God protect those the reject His reign?
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Who brought the storm against Paul's boat. He was on God's mission,
and God confirmed that in the middle of the storm. So, if the storm
was God's doing, God would be divided against Himself. The same is
true of the storm that came against Jesus boat. Was God divided
against Himself there too?
For either accounts, this is the first time I've heard that tempests were
the handiwork of Satan. That means that (1) this is not orthodox teaching
from these passages, or (2) a new revelation, or (3) an example of
spiritual discernment or (4) simply poor reading comprehension.
My guess is the piece is an example of eisogesis - something brought to the
passage that the writer is not intending to convey nor did the original
readers understood.
The reading that Eph 2:2 is about hurricanes is a first for me. It is
usually read against Eph 6:12 to indicate otherwise.
I take it that Satan has been defeated (Luk 10:18); that our Lord completed
His work on the Cross (Joh 19:30); and sits down at rest from His labours
(Heb 1:3).
I repeat from Isa+Amos "I form light and create darkness, I make well-being
and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things ... is a
trumpet blown in a city, and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come
to a city, unless the LORD has done it? "
Cheers.
"A text without a context becomes a proof-text for a pre-text" (common
saying).
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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06 Jun 2007 06:30:31 PM |
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Ken Clifton
christianjackass.com
and the reason that your ALL-LOVING god ALLOWS satan to destroy peoples
homes and kill them is WHAT EXACTLY?
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| User: "Chuck Stamford" |
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07 Jun 2007 12:22:31 AM |
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
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Ken Clifton
christianjackass.com
and the reason that your ALL-LOVING god ALLOWS satan to destroy peoples
homes and kill them is WHAT EXACTLY?
Because He has a good reason.
Chuck Stamford
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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07 Jun 2007 07:07:08 PM |
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"Chuck Stamford" <shell__stamford@cox.net> wrote in message
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
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Ken Clifton
christianjackass.com
and the reason that your ALL-LOVING god ALLOWS satan to destroy peoples
homes and kill them is WHAT EXACTLY?
Because He has a good reason.
Chuck Stamford
yea, because he is a MASS-MURDERING *****.
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| User: "Chuck Stamford" |
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07 Jun 2007 09:44:17 PM |
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
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"Chuck Stamford" <shell__stamford@cox.net> wrote in message
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
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Ken Clifton
christianjackass.com
and the reason that your ALL-LOVING god ALLOWS satan to destroy peoples
homes and kill them is WHAT EXACTLY?
Because He has a good reason.
Chuck Stamford
yea, because he is a MASS-MURDERING *****.
You are confused. That's YOUR reason for hating Him, because that's the way
you think of Him, not His reason for allowing evil to exist in the world.
And since you seem to think you're qualified to be God's judge and jury,
maybe you'd like to tell us all how you'd have designed things so that they
are better; so that there is more moral good in the world and less moral
evil?
Chuck Stamford
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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08 Jun 2007 10:13:04 AM |
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"Chuck Stamford" <shell__stamford@cox.net> wrote in message
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
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"Chuck Stamford" <shell__stamford@cox.net> wrote in message
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
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Ken Clifton
christianjackass.com
and the reason that your ALL-LOVING god ALLOWS satan to destroy peoples
homes and kill them is WHAT EXACTLY?
Because He has a good reason.
Chuck Stamford
yea, because he is a MASS-MURDERING *****.
You are confused. That's YOUR reason for hating Him, because that's the
way you think of Him, not His reason for allowing evil to exist in the
world.
And since you seem to think you're qualified to be God's judge and jury,
maybe you'd like to tell us all how you'd have designed things so that
they are better; so that there is more moral good in the world and less
moral evil?
Chuck Stamford
I've said it many times, if I were god, I would make sure that children
AREN'T BEING RAPED AND MURDERED.
and that's just for starters.
go back and re-read my post of "WHAT KIND OF GOD WOULD YOU BE?" from 5/19/07
here, I will paste it here for you.
If you were god, what kind of god would you be?
WOULD YOU BE A LOVING and CARING god, or would you be like the
MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god?
If someone ate some fruit from your tree, would you say, hey, you need to
pay 10 cents for that, thank you, or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED
***** christian god and DAMN THEM TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY?
if firefighters doctors, and nurses worked on the sabbath, would you thank
them for healing people and working on the sabbath, (note we won't go into
why an ALL-POWERFUL god can't do all of these things himself right now), or
would you be like the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god and MURDER them for
working on the sabbath?
If you were god would you demand that people MURDER their only son just to
satisfy some sick twisted need for an ego boost?
If you were god, would you make sure that children weren't being raped and
murdered, or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god and
would you laugh your sick sadistic as off while you watched yet another
child being killed?
Would you make sure that people were able to live free from Alzheimers, from
cancer, from muscular dystrophy, etc. or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED
***** christian god and not only give these diseases to people, including
children, but then demand that they worship your sick ***** for being so
"omnipotent"?
Would you prevent tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, fires from destroying
people's posessions and killing them and their children, or would you be
like the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god and laugh your ***** off as you
watched property and lives being destroyed by something that you created in
the first place?
In conclusion, would you be a LOVING AND CARING god, or would you be like
the MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god?
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09 Jun 2007 12:03:21 AM |
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
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Ken Clifton
christianjackass.com
and the reason that your ALL-LOVING god ALLOWS satan to destroy
peoples homes and kill them is WHAT EXACTLY?
Because He has a good reason.
Chuck Stamford
yea, because he is a MASS-MURDERING *****.
You are confused. That's YOUR reason for hating Him, because that's the
way you think of Him, not His reason for allowing evil to exist in the
world.
And since you seem to think you're qualified to be God's judge and jury,
maybe you'd like to tell us all how you'd have designed things so that
they are better; so that there is more moral good in the world and less
moral evil?
Chuck Stamford
I've said it many times, if I were god, I would make sure that children
AREN'T BEING RAPED AND MURDERED.
and that's just for starters.
go back and re-read my post of "WHAT KIND OF GOD WOULD YOU BE?" from
5/19/07
here, I will paste it here for you.
If you were god, what kind of god would you be?
WOULD YOU BE A LOVING and CARING god, or would you be like the
MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god?
If someone ate some fruit from your tree, would you say, hey, you need to
pay 10 cents for that, thank you, or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED
***** christian god and DAMN THEM TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY?
if firefighters doctors, and nurses worked on the sabbath, would you thank
them for healing people and working on the sabbath, (note we won't go into
why an ALL-POWERFUL god can't do all of these things himself right now),
or
would you be like the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god and MURDER them
for
working on the sabbath?
If you were god would you demand that people MURDER their only son just to
satisfy some sick twisted need for an ego boost?
If you were god, would you make sure that children weren't being raped and
murdered, or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god and
would you laugh your sick sadistic as off while you watched yet another
child being killed?
Would you make sure that people were able to live free from Alzheimers,
from
cancer, from muscular dystrophy, etc. or would you be like the
COLD-HEARTED
***** christian god and not only give these diseases to people,
including
children, but then demand that they worship your sick ***** for being so
"omnipotent"?
Would you prevent tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, fires from destroying
people's posessions and killing them and their children, or would you be
like the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god and laugh your ***** off as you
watched property and lives being destroyed by something that you created
in
the first place?
In conclusion, would you be a LOVING AND CARING god, or would you be like
the MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god?
Well, there's certainly a lot of hatred toward the Christian God on display
here, but very little by way of answering my question...which was, in case
you need the reminder: since you've set yourself up as judge and jury
against the Christian God, HOW would you do things better?
Now you'v given me a lot of "would prevent" and "would make sure", but no
"how", which was the question.
All you're doing here is reciting the fact there is evil in the world, and
blaming it all on God.
Chuck Stamford
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| User: "Shes So Fat" |
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09 Jun 2007 09:45:50 AM |
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message news:4meai.2216$tb6.38@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
You are confused. That's YOUR reason for hating Him, because that's the way you think of Him, not His reason for allowing evil
to exist in the world.
And since you seem to think you're qualified to be God's judge and jury, maybe you'd like to tell us all how you'd have designed
things so that they are better; so that there is more moral good in the world and less moral evil?
Chuck Stamford
I've said it many times, if I were god, I would make sure that children AREN'T BEING RAPED AND MURDERED.
and that's just for starters.
go back and re-read my post of "WHAT KIND OF GOD WOULD YOU BE?" from 5/19/07
here, I will paste it here for you.
If you were god, what kind of god would you be?
WOULD YOU BE A LOVING and CARING god, or would you be like the
MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god?
If someone ate some fruit from your tree, would you say, hey, you need to
pay 10 cents for that, thank you, or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED
***** christian god and DAMN THEM TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY?
if firefighters doctors, and nurses worked on the sabbath, would you thank
them for healing people and working on the sabbath, (note we won't go into
why an ALL-POWERFUL god can't do all of these things himself right now), or
would you be like the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god and MURDER them for
working on the sabbath?
If you were god would you demand that people MURDER their only son just to
satisfy some sick twisted need for an ego boost?
If you were god, would you make sure that children weren't being raped and
murdered, or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god and
would you laugh your sick sadistic as off while you watched yet another
child being killed?
Would you make sure that people were able to live free from Alzheimers, from
cancer, from muscular dystrophy, etc. or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED
***** christian god and not only give these diseases to people, including
children, but then demand that they worship your sick ***** for being so
"omnipotent"?
Would you prevent tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, fires from destroying
people's posessions and killing them and their children, or would you be
like the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god and laugh your ***** off as you
watched property and lives being destroyed by something that you created in
the first place?
In conclusion, would you be a LOVING AND CARING god, or would you be like
the MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god?
Thank God you are not God!
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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08 Jun 2007 12:32:12 PM |
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On Jun 8, 8:13 am, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
"Chuck Stamford" <shell__stamf...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:Ko3ai.362163$ZA5.338833@newsfe15.phx...
And since you seem to think you're qualified to be God's judge and jury,
maybe you'd like to tell us all how you'd have designed things so that
they are better; so that there is more moral good in the world and less
moral evil?
Chuck Stamford
I've said it many times, if I were god, I would make sure that children
AREN'T BEING RAPED AND MURDERED.
and that's just for starters.
And you would do that whether or not they follow you?
go back and re-read my post of "WHAT KIND OF GOD WOULD YOU BE?" from 5/19/07
here, I will paste it here for you.
If you were god, what kind of god would you be?
WOULD YOU BE A LOVING and CARING god, or would you be like the
MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god?
If someone ate some fruit from your tree, would you say, hey, you need to
pay 10 cents for that, thank you, or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED
***** christian god and DAMN THEM TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY?
Damn them to Hell, of course.
they STOLE from me.
if firefighters doctors, and nurses worked on the sabbath, would you thank
them for healing people and working on the sabbath, (note we won't go into
why an ALL-POWERFUL god can't do all of these things himself right now), or
would you be like the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god and MURDER them for
working on the sabbath?
If you were god would you demand that people MURDER their only son just to
satisfy some sick twisted need for an ego boost?
If you were god, would you make sure that children weren't being raped and
murdered, or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god and
would you laugh your sick sadistic as off while you watched yet another
child being killed?
Only if those children either never heard of me, or are in good
standing with me.
If they disobey me, it is just tough ***** if someone chooses to
rape or murder them.
Of course, the rapist or murderer would forfeit my protection.
Would you make sure that people were able to live free from Alzheimers, from
cancer, from muscular dystrophy, etc. or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED
***** christian god and not only give these diseases to people, including
children, but then demand that they worship your sick ***** for being so
"omnipotent"?
If they sin, then they receive not protection from disease for a
specified amount of time.
Would you prevent tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, fires from destroying
people's posessions and killing them and their children, or would you be
like the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god and laugh your ***** off as you
watched property and lives being destroyed by something that you created in
the first place?
I would only protect possessions of those who are in good standing,
and then only up to a certain value.
Michael
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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08 Jun 2007 12:45:44 PM |
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In article <1181323932.480526.224630@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
On Jun 8, 8:13 am, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
{...}
If you were god, what kind of god would you be?
WOULD YOU BE A LOVING and CARING god, or would you be like the
MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god?
{...}
Would you make sure that people were able to live free from Alzheimers, from
cancer, from muscular dystrophy, etc. or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED
***** christian god and not only give these diseases to people, including
children, but then demand that they worship your sick ***** for being so
"omnipotent"?
If they sin, then they receive not protection from disease for a
specified amount of time.
And those children who are born with afflictions such as spina
bifida or cerebral palsy? Whassa deal, did they sin in the
womb, and their time ran out before they could get around to
being born?
Would you prevent tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, fires from destroying
people's posessions and killing them and their children, or would you be
like the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god and laugh your ***** off as you
watched property and lives being destroyed by something that you created in
the first place?
I would only protect possessions of those who are in good standing,
Well, then, I think you such immediately get in touch with the
firefighters currently battling early wildfires throughout
the South and West. They're being pushed to their limits,
and you could greatly relieve their burden by letting them
know that they don't need to protect the property of devout
believers, because God's already on the job.
-- cary
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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09 Jun 2007 01:28:09 PM |
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On Jun 8, 10:45 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1181323932.480526.224...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> writes:
On Jun 8, 8:13 am, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
{...}
If you were god, what kind of god would you be?
WOULD YOU BE A LOVING and CARING god, or would you be like the
MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god?
{...}
Would you make sure that people were able to live free from Alzheimers, from
cancer, from muscular dystrophy, etc. or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED
***** christian god and not only give these diseases to people, including
children, but then demand that they worship your sick ***** for being so
"omnipotent"?
If they sin, then they receive not protection from disease for a
specified amount of time.
And those children who are born with afflictions such as spina
bifida or cerebral palsy? Whassa deal, did they sin in the
womb, and their time ran out before they could get around to
being born?
No one would be born with birth defects.
Of course, if they sin later, protection is removed and they
suffer.
Michael
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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08 Jun 2007 03:07:52 PM |
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Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've said it many times, if I were god, I would make sure that children
AREN'T BEING RAPED AND MURDERED.
and that's just for starters.
And you would do that whether or not they follow you?
Why would that matter?
go back and re-read my post of "WHAT KIND OF GOD WOULD YOU BE?" from 5/19/07
here, I will paste it here for you.
If you were god, what kind of god would you be?
WOULD YOU BE A LOVING and CARING god, or would you be like the
MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god?
If someone ate some fruit from your tree, would you say, hey, you need to
pay 10 cents for that, thank you, or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED
***** christian god and DAMN THEM TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY?
Damn them to Hell, of course.
they STOLE from me.
So what?
If you were god, would you make sure that children weren't being raped and
murdered, or would you be like the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god and
would you laugh your sick sadistic as off while you watched yet another
child being killed?
Only if those children either never heard of me, or are in good
standing with me.
If they disobey me, it is just tough ***** if someone chooses to
rape or murder them.
I'll be sure never to let you babysit my kids.
lojbab
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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06 Jun 2007 11:18:08 PM |
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On Jun 6, 6:30 pm, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
Ken Clifton
christianjackass.com
and the reason that your ALL-LOVING god ALLOWS satan to destroy peoples
homes and kill them is WHAT EXACTLY?
Why should the King of Heaven use His resources to protect one rebel
from another?
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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07 Jun 2007 07:06:38 PM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181189888.577044.98670@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 6, 6:30 pm, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
Ken Clifton
christianjackass.com
and the reason that your ALL-LOVING god ALLOWS satan to destroy peoples
homes and kill them is WHAT EXACTLY?
Why should the King of Heaven use His resources to protect one rebel
from another?
Ken Clifton
dumbasschristianmoron.com
doesn't explain why your god loves TO MURDER children
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - Satan |
07 Jun 2007 11:34:47 AM |
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In article <1181189888.577044.98670@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
On Jun 6, 6:30 pm, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
Ken Clifton
christianjackass.com
and the reason that your ALL-LOVING god ALLOWS satan to destroy peoples
homes and kill them is WHAT EXACTLY?
Why should the King of Heaven use His resources to protect one rebel
from another?
God's on a budget?
-- cary
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - Satan |
08 Jun 2007 08:07:04 AM |
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On Jun 7, 11:34 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1181189888.577044.98...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
On Jun 6, 6:30 pm, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
Ken Clifton
christianjackass.com
and the reason that your ALL-LOVING god ALLOWS satan to destroy peoples
homes and kill them is WHAT EXACTLY?
Why should the King of Heaven use His resources to protect one rebel
from another?
God's on a budget?
-- cary
What's it have to do with a budget? WHY should the King of Heaven use
His resources to protect one rebel from another? Should we protect
the PLO from the Hammas?
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - Satan |
08 Jun 2007 10:09:20 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1181308024.277451.302730@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 7, 11:34 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1181189888.577044.98...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Wide
Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
On Jun 6, 6:30 pm, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
Ken Clifton
christianjackass.com
and the reason that your ALL-LOVING god ALLOWS satan to destroy
peoples
homes and kill them is WHAT EXACTLY?
Why should the King of Heaven use His resources to protect one rebel
from another?
God's on a budget?
-- cary
What's it have to do with a budget? WHY should the King of Heaven use
His resources to protect one rebel from another? Should we protect
the PLO from the Hammas?
Ken Clifton
christianjackass.com
PERHAPS YOUR ALL-POWERFUL GOD COULD GET OFF OF HIS FAT, LAZY ***** (FOR ONCE)
and PREVENT children from being raped and murdered??
I realize that asking your ALL-POWERFUL god to do something good is a bit of
a stretch
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - Satan |
08 Jun 2007 11:20:23 AM |
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In article <1181308024.277451.302730@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> writes:
On Jun 7, 11:34 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1181189888.577044.98...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
On Jun 6, 6:30 pm, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
Ken Clifton
christianjackass.com
and the reason that your ALL-LOVING god ALLOWS satan to destroy peoples
homes and kill them is WHAT EXACTLY?
Why should the King of Heaven use His resources to protect one rebel
from another?
God's on a budget?
-- cary
What's it have to do with a budget?
Well then, what does "resources" have to do with it? You make it
sound like God's using up his allotment of something or
other.
WHY should the King of Heaven use His resources
Oopsie, there you go again.
to protect one rebel from another? Should we protect the PLO from the Hammas?
Should a human father break up a catfight between his two
daughters, both whom -- assuming we're talking about
human duughters here -- are disobedient as often as
not?
- cary
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - Satan |
08 Jun 2007 12:33:33 PM |
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On Jun 8, 9:20 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1181308024.277451.302...@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Jun 7, 11:34 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1181189888.577044.98...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
On Jun 6, 6:30 pm, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
Ken Clifton
christianjackass.com
and the reason that your ALL-LOVING god ALLOWS satan to destroy peoples
homes and kill them is WHAT EXACTLY?
Why should the King of Heaven use His resources to protect one rebel
from another?
God's on a budget?
-- cary
What's it have to do with a budget?
Well then, what does "resources" have to do with it? You make it
sound like God's using up his allotment of something or
other.
WHY should the King of Heaven use His resources
Oopsie, there you go again.
The King of Heaven owes us naught.
to protect one rebel from another? Should we protect the PLO from the Hammas?
Should a human father break up a catfight between his two
daughters, both whom -- assuming we're talking about
human duughters here -- are disobedient as often as
not?
If they are children, then they are to be protected.
If they are adults, let them suffer the consequences of their
foolishness!
Michael
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Creator - Satan |
08 Jun 2007 03:02:11 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
What's it have to do with a budget?
That's the point. God doesn't have limited resources, so He has no
reason NOT to help everyone in need.
WHY should the King of Heaven use His resources to protect one rebel from another?
Why not? That is what we consider to be a "good" quality.
Should we protect the PLO from the Hammas?
We're doing our best. So is Israel, BTW. If you read about the
current battles between Fatah forces and Hamas in Gaza, Israel is
attacking only Hamas. Fatah is a branch of the PLO.
lojbab
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