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Topic: Sociology > Education
User: "Tommy"
Date: 20 Feb 2006 01:51:00 PM
Object: Irving gets 3 years in jail.
Jewish Evolutionary Strategy is based on a pattern of behavior that allows a
minority (Jews) to exist and survive among a majority (especially white
western countries). It requires that the minority (Jews) control,
manipulate and destroy the majority (white western civilization) otherwise
the Jews would integrate, assimilate and no longer exist as a distinct
culture, gene pool and people.
Jews as a whole are like the HIV Virus which causes AIDS.
Jews invade countries like parasites invade a body through immigration and
then begin expansion through reproduction once inside a nation. Once the
Jews have infected a national body or country, they then make the national
body sick, by moving into positions of power and influence where they can
subvert the majority people’s rules, laws, heritage and culture. Once the
Jewish subversion begins, the nation becomes sick, when the national body
is sick then the parasite / virus Jews can continue to amplify in power,
influence, numbers and control. Parasites and viruses thrive when the body
they invade becomes sick and the immune system weakened.
The ugliest form of Jewish AIDS is censorship the destruction of our
liberties, freedoms and ability to defend ourselves and to tell the truth
about Jews. The Jews have used their power and influence to get laws passed
in every white western country in the world to punish people who use
scientific and historical facts to show that the holocaust is indisputably
a hoax, fraud and scam. Without murdering historians and scientists,
getting them imprisoned or silenced, the Jews can not continue to blackmail
the world for billions of dollars. Without the holocaust scam Jews can not
continue to murder millions of Arabs and steal their land. Without the
holocaust scam Jews can not continue to subvert our culture and destroy our
nation with endless immigration and multiculturalism. Jews use the
Holocaust as a sword and shield over the whole world and it has been
working with increasing success over the last several decades.
It is now a scientific fact, the holocaust is a scam, fraud and hoax. No
matter how many people you get thrown in jail, no matter how many people
you Jews kill or silence, the holocaust is still a scam, fraud and hoax.
Nothing you can do to make this holocaust fairy tale become true except
through repression, terrorism and inquisition style dogma. The Holocaust
scam has become a state sponsored religion thanks to Jews using their power
and influence to get laws passed making it a crime to dispute the holocaust
hoax with scientific facts. What a truly sad day for truth and freedom of
speech.
The evidence against the holohoax scam is mounting; the scientific facts,
data, information, knowledge and research disproving the holocaust can not
be disputed.
The holocaust is a scam, fraud and hoax. There is nothing you Jews can do
will stop this fact from being known to humanity. It is only a matter of
time before all of humanity knows this fact and when this fact becomes
known all your wealth, power, assets and influence will be confiscated and
given back to the people from which you stole it from.
Everyone who reads these words and is outraged by Jewish AIDS, it is time
that all the holocaust revisionist material in the world be consolidated
into an easy to read and understand format. A convergence of all holocaust
revisionist material into a cogent single location is called for here and
now.
Irving gets 3 years in jail
http://www.solargeneral.com/
.

User: "Roger"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 21 Feb 2006 04:53:45 AM
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <PEzKf.563$1B2.237@fe07.lga>:

Jews as a whole are like the HIV Virus which causes AIDS.

zie says, revealing once again the failure of American schools to
teach basic biology.
.

User: "Gray Shockley"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 21 Feb 2006 04:13:57 AM
On 20 Feb 2006, the Failure That Is Tommy-Poo cried:

Jewish Evolutionary Strategy is based on a pattern of behavior that allows a
minority (Jews) to exist and survive among a majority (especially white
western countries). It requires that the minority (Jews) control,
manipulate and destroy the majority (white western civilization) otherwise
the Jews would integrate, assimilate and no longer exist as a distinct
culture, gene pool and people.

Jews as a whole are like the HIV Virus which causes AIDS.

Ah, is our witsy, bitsy, wetsy Tommie-boy a failure and is blaming someone -
anyone - else?
Is betsy wetsy Tommie-Poo a crybaby and a whiner and wimp who doesn't know
why s/he/it.hey is a failure and all sorts of other people are successes?
Poor, little Tommy-Poo-Poo; no guts, no brains, no intelligence.
Tommy-Poo-Poo has a perfect score.
Tommy the Pooper is a total zero.
There's a gigantic plot to keep Tommy-Pooper-Poo-Poo from being other than
what he deserves because he is pasty colored and not a Jew.
Wow! I bet the big bad Jews plot night and day to keep our little anonymous
Tommy Lambkins-Poo-Poo from having white intelligence, white courage and
white success.
It's all those nasty Jews and if they didn't exist it would be black people
or Christians or Buddhists or women or AmerInds or men or three-legged dogs
or furreigners or black cats or people who look at "him" funny or John Knight
because John Knight was a failure first or it might be bovines because they
keep saying, "Moo" to Poo-Poo and he doesn't have any white courage and so
"he" wets and runs from "Moo on Poo Cows".
Tommy Failure wets his panties, cries himself to sleep, masturbates to a
picture of John Knight and doesn't bath or use toilet paper.
Or so it seems from reading "his" confessions.
But then Tommy Piddles is not even allowed in John Knight's
ThunderRipple 2006 alley with the more successful failures.
Everyone forced to be around Piddles Tommy loves the smell
of deodorant in the morning (and wish "he" would use some
but the Jews won't let him and he's scared of them because
they might call him names just like those moo-cows do).
Poor Tommy.
He'd really be much happier if he got an old
9mm Parabellum and cleaned his ears.
Boy! That'd sure surprise all those people who plot against Tommy
Piddle-Poo-Poo; I bet they'd be sorry. [But I wouldn't bet much.]
Tommy: a failure who won't take responsibility
for even using toilet paper.
Does anyone wonder why "he" is a failure?
punk
No wonder, no wonder, at all.
Gray Shockley
------------------------
The leech's kiss, the squid's embrace,
The prurient ape's defiling touch:
And do you like the human race?
No, not much.
- Aldous Huxley
_Ape And Essence_


Jews invade countries like parasites invade a body through immigration and
then begin expansion through reproduction once inside a nation. Once the
Jews have infected a national body or country, they then make the national
body sick, by moving into positions of power and influence where they can
subvert the majority people’s rules, laws, heritage and culture. Once the
Jewish subversion begins, the nation becomes sick, when the national body
is sick then the parasite / virus Jews can continue to amplify in power,
influence, numbers and control. Parasites and viruses thrive when the body
they invade becomes sick and the immune system weakened.

The ugliest form of Jewish AIDS is censorship the destruction of our
liberties, freedoms and ability to defend ourselves and to tell the truth
about Jews. The Jews have used their power and influence to get laws passed
in every white western country in the world to punish people who use
scientific and historical facts to show that the holocaust is indisputably
a hoax, fraud and scam. Without murdering historians and scientists,
getting them imprisoned or silenced, the Jews can not continue to blackmail
the world for billions of dollars. Without the holocaust scam Jews can not
continue to murder millions of Arabs and steal their land. Without the
holocaust scam Jews can not continue to subvert our culture and destroy our
nation with endless immigration and multiculturalism. Jews use the
Holocaust as a sword and shield over the whole world and it has been
working with increasing success over the last several decades.

It is now a scientific fact, the holocaust is a scam, fraud and hoax. No
matter how many people you get thrown in jail, no matter how many people
you Jews kill or silence, the holocaust is still a scam, fraud and hoax.
Nothing you can do to make this holocaust fairy tale become true except
through repression, terrorism and inquisition style dogma. The Holocaust
scam has become a state sponsored religion thanks to Jews using their power
and influence to get laws passed making it a crime to dispute the holocaust
hoax with scientific facts. What a truly sad day for truth and freedom of
speech.

The evidence against the holohoax scam is mounting; the scientific facts,
data, information, knowledge and research disproving the holocaust can not
be disputed.

The holocaust is a scam, fraud and hoax. There is nothing you Jews can do
will stop this fact from being known to humanity. It is only a matter of
time before all of humanity knows this fact and when this fact becomes
known all your wealth, power, assets and influence will be confiscated and
given back to the people from which you stole it from.

Everyone who reads these words and is outraged by Jewish AIDS, it is time
that all the holocaust revisionist material in the world be consolidated
into an easy to read and understand format. A convergence of all holocaust
revisionist material into a cogent single location is called for here and
now.

Irving gets 3 years in jail
http://www.solargeneral.com/

.
User: "Gassen Burnham"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 21 Feb 2006 05:02:00 AM
Gay Suckme wrote:

Poo:
witsy, bitsy, wetsy Poo -Poo-Poo; -Poo-Poo Pooper -Pooper-Poo-Poo Lambkins-Poo->Poo "Moo" to Poo-Poo "Moo on Poo Cows".Piddles Piddles moo-cows Piddle-Poo->Poo;

Tell me Gay...how old are you son?
.
User: "Wally Cleaver"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 21 Feb 2006 08:23:15 AM
On 21 Feb 2006 03:02:00 -0800,
<1140519720.194821.146400@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Gassen Burnham"
<gasenburnham@dodo.com.au> wrote:


Gay Suckme wrote:

Poo:
witsy, bitsy, wetsy Poo -Poo-Poo; -Poo-Poo Pooper -Pooper-Poo-Poo Lambkins-Poo->Poo "Moo" to Poo-Poo "Moo on Poo Cows".Piddles Piddles moo-cows Piddle-Poo->Poo;


Tell me Gay...how old are you son?

Isn't it funny about our opposition is that they all seem to act the same way?
Tavish
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/623165aa1b6c029b?fwc=1
Subject: My Opposition Proven to be Mentally Unstable, Delusional, Peeping Toms,
and Retarded aka Re: Friedrich Berg is NUTS! V2.0 U_0122
Message-ID: <3o38t15bfcpqcqiom7k4bpeolk358gcm95@4ax.com>
Date: 22 Jan 2006 23:00:49 GMT
------------------------------
Also related to the sanity of the masses of Jewry:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/3da3d2d78074226?fwc=1
Subject: Physician Claims Jews are Paranoid Schizophrenic U_0123
Message-ID: <4vb9t152r8hm6ind3gd9vanusclbpf1t7e@4ax.com>
Date: 23 Jan 2006 10:34:26 GMT
------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/ef2a2ddb008fc113?fwc=1
Subject: Group Fantasies and Jewish Radicalism by Stanley Rothman V3.0 T_1220
Message-ID: <ikqhq193ka66lq7gf6d5imjjuif56gol4h@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Dec 2005 05:51:58 GMT
------------------------------
One "mentally unstable" and "crazy man" Jew as an example:
Special Note: Yale F. Edeiken Esq. of Allentown, Pennsylvania- Supreme Court
ID# 40290 has falsely asserted he was associated with the two law firms
mentioned below (Todd Miller & Associates and Trainor Law Offices). Both law
firms told me first hand that Yale F. Edeiken was never an attorney at their
firms!! That is fact! (Archived locally as: YaleTheNut)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/79dab24b047e1e68
From: "Yale F. Edeiken" <yawen@enter.net>
Subject: Re: The Common Thread To All These Cancel Announcements...
Message-ID: <SH9g7.634$7d.225691@newshog.newsread.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:06:26 GMT
Defendant Bradshit <rdoc_tavish@my-deja.cpm, tavish58@ix.netcom,com> wrote
in message news:7lp1otkrsh37k7ioip5nbd61u0j3nr47fn@4ax.com...
[...]

Care to tell all of us why both Todd Miller and Paul Trainor distanced
themselves from you

Because they were dealing with someone who was "mentally unstable"
(their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their description) who they
wanted to go away as quckly as possible.
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
.

User: "Gray Shockley"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 23 Feb 2006 09:50:58 PM
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:02:00 -0600, Gassen Burnham wrote:


Gay Suckme wrote:

Poo:
witsy, bitsy, wetsy Poo -Poo-Poo; -Poo-Poo Pooper -Pooper-Poo-Poo
Lambkins-Poo->Poo "Moo" to Poo-Poo "Moo on Poo Cows".Piddles Piddles
moo-cows Piddle-Poo->Poo;


Tell me Gay...how old are you son?

59.
Are you the boy who is referred to as "The George Bush of Oz" but
has drastically less intelligence and and grossly fewer morals?
Gray Shockley
--------------------------
United States Army (retired)
.
User: "princeandy"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 24 Feb 2006 05:49:21 PM
What is remarkable is that this is the only piece of legislation like it in
the world concerning any group.
What has all the below, besides showing a huge lack of integrity, common
sense or have not yet grasped the basics of democracy, have to do with the
fact that Israel, Jews or whoever
pressured the Austrian government to have such a law appears to show
only that they know their case is so weak that that the whole can of worms
is
going to be exposed if they allow close examination.
A classic rather obvious cover-up.
And is their any other group worldwide who wants the details of some
astrocity against them kept confidential under pain of a prison sentence?
And why is there surprise that this raises the question of why such an
undemocratic law is on the books of any country, and I believe there are
several countries that have similar draconian laws at the urging of the
Jews, pro Jewish groups, or simply overzealous christians.
I mean as ridiculous as ' do not discuss Stalin's stalags' or we will put
you in jail?
Or do not discus America's torture chambers in other countries or we will
put you in jail.
Do not discus the outrages of the KKK or we will put you in jail?
Vietnam, China, Sudan, Argentina, Chile etc etc.
"Gray Shockley" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C023DEC200420094F0284550@news.giganews.com...

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:02:00 -0600, Gassen Burnham wrote:


Gay Suckme wrote:

Poo:
witsy, bitsy, wetsy Poo -Poo-Poo; -Poo-Poo Pooper -Pooper-Poo-Poo
Lambkins-Poo->Poo "Moo" to Poo-Poo "Moo on Poo Cows".Piddles Piddles
moo-cows Piddle-Poo->Poo;


Tell me Gay...how old are you son?



59.

Are you the boy who is referred to as "The George Bush of Oz" but
has drastically less intelligence and and grossly fewer morals?


Gray Shockley
--------------------------
United States Army (retired)


.
User: "Bob LeChevalier"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 24 Feb 2006 08:22:06 PM
"princeandy" <actiom@nps[a.viola.com> wrote:

What is remarkable is that this is the only piece of legislation like it in
the world concerning any group.

No. Free speech is NOT the norm in the world. Most countries will
dump you in jail for saying the wrong thing about the wrong group.
lojbab
.

User: "Eugene Holman"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 28 Feb 2006 11:27:43 AM
In article <5YMLf.15471$yK1.13099@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"princeandy" <actiom@nps[a.viola.com> wrote:

What is remarkable is that this is the only piece of legislation like it in
the world concerning any group.

What has all the below, besides showing a huge lack of integrity, common
sense or have not yet grasped the basics of democracy, have to do with the
fact that Israel, Jews or whoever pressured the Austrian government to have
such a law appears to show only that they know their case is so weak that
that the whole can of worms is going to be exposed if they allow close

examination.
<deletions>
No. You have it wrong. The so called "Banning Law" has been part of the
criminal code in Austria since 1946. At that time Israel did not yet
exist, and the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the Holocaust had
no influence to speak of.
The law was put there by the Austrians themselves to prevent the nation
from going into denial and to make it difficult for right-wing extremisim
to re-establish itself in the unstable post-war environment. Even today
Austria, arguably the most anti-Semitic country in Europe, has elected a
man, Kurt Waldheim, with an unsavory and selectively "forgotten" past of
being a Storm Trooper as well as an officer in a unit that committed
wartime atrocities, to be its president, and has allowed a party that has
expressed Nazi sympathies, the Freedom Party when populist
ultra-right-wing politician Jörg Haider was its leader, to share political
power.
Austria produced Hitler, Eichmann, Kaltenbrunner, and many other top
Nazis. The people who sat in judgment of David Irving were, from the
reports I have read, quite young. They are the grandchildren of the
generation of Austrians who implemented the Holocaust, and they wanted to
send a clear message to the world that they are aware of the historical
baggage that Austrians have to bear, and they will not tolerate people who
deny or trivialize it, or try to encourage Austrians to expunge it from
the national conscience.
David Irving knew that there was an outstanding arrest warrant from the
last time he visited Austria for having publicly denied the Holocaust in
violation of the Banning Law, and that he had been barred from entering
the country. He knew what the risks were but somehow thought that the law
did not apply to him. After pleaded guilty to having violated the law, the
only choice open to him in view of the evidence that was presented, he
assumed that his demonstration of contempt for Austrian laws would result
in a punishment no more severe than a suspended sentence, arrogantly
booking a first-class ticket back home to London for the day after the
decision was handed down. As was the case after he stood bankrupted after
having served as his own defense lawyer and losing the libel trial that he
initiated against Prof. Deborah Lipstadt and her publisher, Penguin Books
Ltd., David Irving has nobody to blame for his present predicament but
himself.
Regards,
Eugene Holman
.
User: "Ben Cramer"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 01 Mar 2006 03:04:04 AM
"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2802061927430001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <5YMLf.15471$yK1.13099@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"princeandy" <actiom@nps[a.viola.com> wrote:

What is remarkable is that this is the only piece of legislation like it
in
the world concerning any group.

What has all the below, besides showing a huge lack of integrity, common
sense or have not yet grasped the basics of democracy, have to do with
the
fact that Israel, Jews or whoever pressured the Austrian government to
have
such a law appears to show only that they know their case is so weak that
that the whole can of worms is going to be exposed if they allow close

examination.

<deletions>

No. You have it wrong. The so called "Banning Law" has been part of the
criminal code in Austria since 1946. At that time Israel did not yet
exist, and the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the Holocaust had
no influence to speak of.

You can provide proof to support that rather sweeping statement?
.
User: "Eugene Holman"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 01 Mar 2006 05:37:37 AM
In article <du3o1t$2m70$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2802061927430001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

<deletions>


No. You have it wrong. The so called "Banning Law" has been part of the
criminal code in Austria since 1946. At that time Israel did not yet
exist, and the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the Holocaust had
no influence to speak of.


You can provide proof to support that rather sweeping statement?

Yes.
1) "The so called "Banning Law" has been part of the criminal code in
Austria since 1946."
Source: http://lexikon.idgr.de/v/v_e/verbotsgesetz/verbotsgesetz.php
<quote>
Verbotsgesetz
Eine erste Fassung des österreichischen Verbotsgesetzes, das eine
Wiederbetätigung im nationalsozialistischen Sinne unter Strafe stellte,
wurde am 8. Mai 1945 erlassen. Mit einem Verbot wurde eine Reihe von
Organisationen des nationalsozialistischen Deutschen Reiches belegt, die
in Österreich als aufgelöst galten und deren Neuformierung verboten wurde.
<deletions>
Die öffentliche Verherrlichung oder Anpreisung solcher Organisationen wie
auch die Glorifizierung der Person Adolf Hitlers wird vor allem unter
Maßgabe von § 3 unter Strafe gestellt.
<deletions>
</quote>
<translation>
Banning Law
An initial version of the Austrian Banning Law, which penalizes a
restoration in the National Socialist sense, was enacted on May 8, 1945.
With this prohibition a number of organizations of the National Socialist
German Reich was terminated that were regarded as having been dissolved in
Austria and a reformation of which was prohibited.
<deletions>
The public glorification or praise of such organizations, as well as the
glorification of the person of Adolf Hitler, are also penalized in
accordance with section 3.
</translation>
Source: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksverhetzung#.C3.96sterreich
<quote>
Das Verbotsgesetz 1947 enthält ­ neben den Bestimmungen zur Auflösung
aller nationalsozialistischen Organisationen und der Registrierung
österreichischer Mitglieder der NSDAP ­ in § 3 die Regelungen betreffend
NS-Wiederbetätigung. Es ist demnach “untersagt, sich, sei es auch
außerhalb dieser Organisationen, für die NSDAP oder ihre Ziele irgendwie
zu betätigen³. § 3d bestimmt den Strafrahmen (5 bis 20 Jahre) für
denjenigen, der die “Ziele der NSDAP, ihre Einrichtungen oder Maßnahmen
verherrlicht oder anpreist³. Dieser ist auch gemäß § 3h auf denjenigen
anzuwenden, der “öffentlich auf eine Weise, daß es vielen Menschen
zugänglich wird, den nationalsozialistischen Völkermord oder andere
nationalsozialistische Verbrechen gegen die Menschlichkeit leugnet,
gröblich verharmlost, gutheißt oder zu rechtfertigen sucht.³
</quote>
<translation>
The 1947 Banning Law contains ­ beside the stipulations for the
dissolution of all National Socialist Organizations and the registration
of Austrian members of the NSDAP - in section 3 the regulations concerning
the resurrection of National Socialism. According to it, it is
"prohibited, either individually, even outside of these organizations, to
engage in activities for the National Socialist German Workers Party (=
NSDAP) or its objectives in any manner whatsoever". Section 3 specifies
the penalties (5 to 20 years) for anyone who "glorifies or praises the
objectives of the NSDAP, its institutions, or actions". According to
section 3h this is also applicable to anyone who "publicly in such a
manner that it is accessible to many people, denies, grossly trivializes,
approves of, or attempts to justify the National Socialist genocide or
other National Socialist crimes against humanity".
<translation>
********************************************************************
"At that time Israel did not yet exist."
Source: http://www.science.co.il/Israel-history.asp
<quote>
<deletions>
In 1948, Jewish Community in Israel under the leadership of David
Ben-Gurion reestablished sovereignty over their ancient homeland.
Declaration of independence of the modern State of Israel was announced on
the day that the last British forces left Israel (May 14, 1948).
********************************************************************
"[T]he Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the Holocaust had no
influence to speak of."
Source: http://www.doew.at/projekte/holocaust/shoahengl/demo.html
<quote>
Demography of Austrian Jews 1938 - 1945
The persecution by the Nazi regime brought about a radical change in the
demography of Austrian Jewry. The Jewish population which in March 1938
amounted to about 206,000 persons, or three percent of the total
population, and of whom 181,000 were members of the Israelitische
Kultusgemeinde, was decimated through expulsion and murder in a disastrous
way. Vienna's Jewish community - at one time one of the biggest of the
world, almost unparalleled in its cultural diversity and uniqueness - was
basically annihilated, and the other Jewish communities in Austria were
more or less completely destroyed.
Decisive factors of this demographic "development" are the following:
€ On account of the "Nuremberg Laws" which were introduced in the
"Ostmark" in May 1938, over 24,000 people who had renounced Judaism but
had Jewish ancestry, were classified as Jews.
€ Over 4,900 people, who were not considered to be Jews according to
the "Nuremberg Laws" (most of whom had converted to Judaism through
marriage), were more or less forced by the Nazi regime to renounce their
faith and be reclassified as non-Jews.

€ Immediately after March 12, 1938, the Nazi rulers started to expulse
over 130,000 people by means of physical and psychological terror. Over
16,000 of these were subsequently exterminated in other Nazi-occupied
European countries.

€ Internments in concentration camps of more than 7,000 people which
started on April 1, 1938, led to the death of almost 2,000 camp inmates.

€ From early 1941 onwards, about 48,000 people from Vienna were
deported to ghettos, concentration and extermination camps. Only about
1,700 survived.

€ The negative birth rate amounted to over 14,000.

€ Only about 5,500 practising Jews or Austrians with Jewish origins
survived the Nazi regime in Austria.
</quote>
Although the first version of the Banning Law was enacted as early as May
8, 1945, effectively on the day the war ended, when Austria had not yet
been restored as a state and was still in a shambles, and many of the
Austrian Jews and Austrians with Jewish origins who survived the Holocaust
were still at concentration camps outside Austria. The Nazis had deprived
Austrian Jews and Austrians with Jewish origins of their civil rights and
citizenship, so they would hardly have played any role in drawing up the
Banning Law. Moreover, the primary objective of the Banning Law was to
denazify Austria, the prohibition on glorifying Nazism and denying the
various crimes against humanity committed during the Nazi regime are
practical aspects of the primary objective of denazification.
********************************************************************
<deletions>
QED
Regards,
Eugene Holman
.
User: "Ben Cramer"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 01 Mar 2006 06:02:00 AM
"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061337370001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <du3o1t$2m70$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2802061927430001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...


<deletions>


No. You have it wrong. The so called "Banning Law" has been part of the
criminal code in Austria since 1946. At that time Israel did not yet
exist, and the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the Holocaust
had
no influence to speak of.


You can provide proof to support that rather sweeping statement?


Yes.

I should have been more explicit. I was curious how you could be so
absolutely sure that "the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the
Holocaust had no influence to speak of."
Simply amazed you are so absolutely convinced this was the case.
.
User: "Kurt Knoll"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 01 Mar 2006 09:07:35 AM
Eugene has no other choice he is here for damage control.
Kurt Knoll.
"Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:du42fi$2qcj$1@otis.netspace.net.au...


"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061337370001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <du3o1t$2m70$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2802061927430001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...


<deletions>


No. You have it wrong. The so called "Banning Law" has been part of
the
criminal code in Austria since 1946. At that time Israel did not yet
exist, and the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the Holocaust
had
no influence to speak of.


You can provide proof to support that rather sweeping statement?


Yes.


I should have been more explicit. I was curious how you could be so
absolutely sure that "the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the
Holocaust had no influence to speak of."

Simply amazed you are so absolutely convinced this was the case.





.

User: "Eugene Holman"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 01 Mar 2006 06:25:26 AM
In article <du42fi$2qcj$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061337370001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <du3o1t$2m70$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2802061927430001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...


<deletions>


No. You have it wrong. The so called "Banning Law" has been part of the
criminal code in Austria since 1946. At that time Israel did not yet
exist, and the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the Holocaust
had
no influence to speak of.


You can provide proof to support that rather sweeping statement?


Yes.


I should have been more explicit. I was curious how you could be so
absolutely sure that "the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the
Holocaust had no influence to speak of."

Simply amazed you are so absolutely convinced this was the case.

On May 8, 1945, when the first version of the Banning Law was enacted, the
Austrian Jewish community had been virtually annihilated, with the few
survivors yet to regain their civil rights or citizenship. Austrian Jews
were simply not in a position to make their voices heard when this
legislation was drafted and enacted, nor does the law specifically adress
their problems or defend their interests.
On the other hand, a primary objective of those who had legislative power
at the time was to rid the defeated country of Nazism and its pernicious
influence. The obvious way to do this, whether or not Jews are present in
the country, is to extirpate Nazism by banning its organizations and
prohibiting its public glorification and the denial of the crimes against
humanity, which were by no means directed solely against Jews, that were
committed in its name. Note that the Austrian Banning Law does not even
mention the Holocaust (Holokaust), a word that was rarely used in the
modern sense back in 1946. Instead, it uses much more general terms,
prohibiting glorification, aproval of, trivializing, or denying the
*crimes against humanity* committed by the Nazi regime.
Regards,
Eugene Holman
.
User: "Ben Cramer"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 02 Mar 2006 05:26:01 AM
"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061425260001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <du42fi$2qcj$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061337370001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <du3o1t$2m70$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2802061927430001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...


<deletions>


No. You have it wrong. The so called "Banning Law" has been part of
the
criminal code in Austria since 1946. At that time Israel did not yet
exist, and the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the
Holocaust
had
no influence to speak of.


You can provide proof to support that rather sweeping statement?


Yes.


I should have been more explicit. I was curious how you could be so
absolutely sure that "the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the
Holocaust had no influence to speak of."

Simply amazed you are so absolutely convinced this was the case.


On May 8, 1945, when the first version of the Banning Law was enacted, the
Austrian Jewish community had been virtually annihilated, with the few
survivors yet to regain their civil rights or citizenship. Austrian Jews
were simply not in a position to make their voices heard when this
legislation was drafted and enacted, nor does the law specifically adress
their problems or defend their interests.

On the other hand, a primary objective of those who had legislative power
at the time was to rid the defeated country of Nazism and its pernicious
influence. The obvious way to do this, whether or not Jews are present in
the country, is to extirpate Nazism by banning its organizations and
prohibiting its public glorification and the denial of the crimes against
humanity, which were by no means directed solely against Jews, that were
committed in its name. Note that the Austrian Banning Law does not even
mention the Holocaust (Holokaust), a word that was rarely used in the
modern sense back in 1946. Instead, it uses much more general terms,
prohibiting glorification, aproval of, trivializing, or denying the
*crimes against humanity* committed by the Nazi regime.

Regards,
Eugene Holman

Sounds all hunky dory, but that is nothing more than your opinion. In much
the same way the judge ruled agains Irving. Down to opinion, isn't it.
.
User: "Eugene Holman"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 02 Mar 2006 07:28:26 AM
In article <du6ko3$kqe$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061425260001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

<deletions>


On May 8, 1945, when the first version of the Banning Law was enacted, the
Austrian Jewish community had been virtually annihilated, with the few
survivors yet to regain their civil rights or citizenship. Austrian Jews
were simply not in a position to make their voices heard when this
legislation was drafted and enacted, nor does the law specifically adress
their problems or defend their interests.

On the other hand, a primary objective of those who had legislative power
at the time was to rid the defeated country of Nazism and its pernicious
influence. The obvious way to do this, whether or not Jews are present in
the country, is to extirpate Nazism by banning its organizations and
prohibiting its public glorification and the denial of the crimes against
humanity, which were by no means directed solely against Jews, that were
committed in its name. Note that the Austrian Banning Law does not even
mention the Holocaust (Holokaust), a word that was rarely used in the
modern sense back in 1946. Instead, it uses much more general terms,
prohibiting glorification, aproval of, trivializing, or denying the
*crimes against humanity* committed by the Nazi regime.

Regards,
Eugene Holman


Sounds all hunky dory, but that is nothing more than your opinion. In much
the same way the judge ruled agains Irving. Down to opinion, isn't it.

No, it is not simply a matter of opinion.
The wording of the Banning Law makes it explicit that its function is to
exorcise Nazism from Austrian society. One of the methods to be used is
the imposition of constraints on public discourse glorifying, denying,
trivializing, or justifying the crimes against humanity committed by the
Nazis. This is clear to anyone who bothers to read the low or study the
history of its application and eventual amendment.
Whether or not Jews had any impact in drafting the law is not an issue.
That is a conclusion that anyone who has studied the history of the period
would reach. Denazifying Austria as soon and as thoroughly as possible,
not catering to Jewish concerns, was the primary concern on V-E Day, May
8, 1945, when the first version of the Banning Law was enacted.
Regards,
Eugene Holman
.


User: "Kurt Knoll"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 01 Mar 2006 09:10:58 AM
Wrong again Eugene many of the interrogators accompanying the American
soldiers were Jewish. Their interest ware not for America but only to serve
the Jewish cause.
Kurt Knoll.
"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061425260001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <du42fi$2qcj$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061337370001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <du3o1t$2m70$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2802061927430001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...


<deletions>


No. You have it wrong. The so called "Banning Law" has been part of
the
criminal code in Austria since 1946. At that time Israel did not yet
exist, and the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the
Holocaust
had
no influence to speak of.


You can provide proof to support that rather sweeping statement?


Yes.


I should have been more explicit. I was curious how you could be so
absolutely sure that "the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the
Holocaust had no influence to speak of."

Simply amazed you are so absolutely convinced this was the case.


On May 8, 1945, when the first version of the Banning Law was enacted, the
Austrian Jewish community had been virtually annihilated, with the few
survivors yet to regain their civil rights or citizenship. Austrian Jews
were simply not in a position to make their voices heard when this
legislation was drafted and enacted, nor does the law specifically adress
their problems or defend their interests.

On the other hand, a primary objective of those who had legislative power
at the time was to rid the defeated country of Nazism and its pernicious
influence. The obvious way to do this, whether or not Jews are present in
the country, is to extirpate Nazism by banning its organizations and
prohibiting its public glorification and the denial of the crimes against
humanity, which were by no means directed solely against Jews, that were
committed in its name. Note that the Austrian Banning Law does not even
mention the Holocaust (Holokaust), a word that was rarely used in the
modern sense back in 1946. Instead, it uses much more general terms,
prohibiting glorification, aproval of, trivializing, or denying the
*crimes against humanity* committed by the Nazi regime.

Regards,
Eugene Holman

.
User: "Eugene Holman"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 01 Mar 2006 09:51:12 AM
In article <6QiNf.83526$B94.10233@pd7tw3no>, "Kurt Knoll"
<kknoll@monarch.net> wrote:

Wrong again Eugene many of the interrogators accompanying the American
soldiers were Jewish. Their interest ware not for America but only to serve
the Jewish cause.

Many of the interrogators were indeed Jews, but many were not. Whether
they were Jews or not is beside the point. On May 8, 1945, the Reich had
collapsed and a functioning government had to be put into place quickly.
In formation that interrogators had obtained was of secondary importance
compared to the issue of getting some kind of functioning government in
place. It should be obvious to anyone who understands the situation that a
primary objective of the occupying forces and the Austrians who were
cooperating with them was to extirpate Nazism, by terminating its
organizations, forbidding its propaganda, and criminalizing any attempts
to deny, downplay, rationalize, or justify the crimes against humanity
that had been committed by the Nazi regime. The objective of this exercise
was to create the prerequisites for Austria's rehabilitation as a decent
nation, not placation of the Jews. Even if not a single Austrian Jew had
survived, nazism would still have had to be criminalized and extirpated.
<deletions>
Regards,
Eugene Holman
.
User: "Kurt Knoll"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 01 Mar 2006 10:28:58 AM
It all depends how much influence the Jews did have on the Army system at
this time. Definitely the Jews did have enough influence to create an
outcome as we see it today.
Kurt Knoll
"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061751120001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <6QiNf.83526$B94.10233@pd7tw3no>, "Kurt Knoll"
<kknoll@monarch.net> wrote:

Wrong again Eugene many of the interrogators accompanying the American
soldiers were Jewish. Their interest ware not for America but only to
serve
the Jewish cause.


Many of the interrogators were indeed Jews, but many were not. Whether
they were Jews or not is beside the point. On May 8, 1945, the Reich had
collapsed and a functioning government had to be put into place quickly.
In formation that interrogators had obtained was of secondary importance
compared to the issue of getting some kind of functioning government in
place. It should be obvious to anyone who understands the situation that a
primary objective of the occupying forces and the Austrians who were
cooperating with them was to extirpate Nazism, by terminating its
organizations, forbidding its propaganda, and criminalizing any attempts
to deny, downplay, rationalize, or justify the crimes against humanity
that had been committed by the Nazi regime. The objective of this exercise
was to create the prerequisites for Austria's rehabilitation as a decent
nation, not placation of the Jews. Even if not a single Austrian Jew had
survived, nazism would still have had to be criminalized and extirpated.

<deletions>

Regards,
Eugene Holman

.
User: "Bob LeChevalier"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 01 Mar 2006 11:26:18 AM
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote:

It all depends how much influence the Jews did have on the Army system at
this time. Definitely the Jews did have enough influence to create an
outcome as we see it today.

If Jews had had more influence in the US, we might have been more
hospitable to Jewish refugees, and we might have put higher priority
on stopping the death camps.
lojbab
.
User: "Kurt Knoll"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 01 Mar 2006 02:55:01 PM
There you go Bobby you guys sure fell for the Jewish soap story and they did
get your right the way the wanted it. Take a good look a George bush you
people fell for it and now it American lives mostly who are paying for it
with their lives.
Kurt Knoll.
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:s6mb02h7m6qmobd0dpcg9s485jelqmdc8i@4ax.com...

"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote:

It all depends how much influence the Jews did have on the Army system at
this time. Definitely the Jews did have enough influence to create an
outcome as we see it today.


If Jews had had more influence in the US, we might have been more
hospitable to Jewish refugees, and we might have put higher priority
on stopping the death camps.

lojbab

.


User: "Gray Shockley"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 03 Mar 2006 11:04:01 PM
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:28:58 -0600, Kurt Knoll wrote
(in article <eZjNf.83593$B94.79352@pd7tw3no>):

It all depends how much influence the Jews did have on the Army system at
this time. Definitely the Jews did have enough influence to create an
outcome as we see it today.

Kurt Knoll

Well, our porcine little fiend, All the soldiers that enetered your
concentration camps weren't jewish. Nor were the journalists.
You've been caught in another lie,
Fred or John or Kurt or Eva or whatever.
It's simply just amazing how inferior you are to yourself.
Why do you go on living?
Suicide has solved problems
of people like-"minded" to your "problems."
Your life is meaningless and you appear to be insane as well as "not very
bright. Suicide might not make you any happier but it would certainly cheer
up the day of anyone who knows you.
Your collectivism is no more valid now
than it was when your "Granddfathers
of the Spirit" were executed by hanging
at Nurnberg.
Have a nice day.
Gray


"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061751120001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <6QiNf.83526$B94.10233@pd7tw3no>, "Kurt Knoll"
<kknoll@monarch.net> wrote:

Wrong again Eugene many of the interrogators accompanying the American
soldiers were Jewish. Their interest ware not for America but only to
serve
the Jewish cause.


Many of the interrogators were indeed Jews, but many were not. Whether
they were Jews or not is beside the point. On May 8, 1945, the Reich had
collapsed and a functioning government had to be put into place quickly.
In formation that interrogators had obtained was of secondary importance
compared to the issue of getting some kind of functioning government in
place. It should be obvious to anyone who understands the situation that a
primary objective of the occupying forces and the Austrians who were
cooperating with them was to extirpate Nazism, by terminating its
organizations, forbidding its propaganda, and criminalizing any attempts
to deny, downplay, rationalize, or justify the crimes against humanity
that had been committed by the Nazi regime. The objective of this exercise
was to create the prerequisites for Austria's rehabilitation as a decent
nation, not placation of the Jews. Even if not a single Austrian Jew had
survived, nazism would still have had to be criminalized and extirpated.

<deletions>

Regards,
Eugene Holman



.
User: "Kurt Knoll"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 04 Mar 2006 01:06:24 AM
Keep on writing your stuff I know you are getting an orgasm out of it.
Kurt Knoll.
"Gray Shockley" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C02E7BE10022608AF0284550@news.giganews.com...

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:28:58 -0600, Kurt Knoll wrote
(in article <eZjNf.83593$B94.79352@pd7tw3no>):

It all depends how much influence the Jews did have on the Army system at
this time. Definitely the Jews did have enough influence to create an
outcome as we see it today.

Kurt Knoll



Well, our porcine little fiend, All the soldiers that enetered your
concentration camps weren't jewish. Nor were the journalists.

You've been caught in another lie,
Fred or John or Kurt or Eva or whatever.

It's simply just amazing how inferior you are to yourself.

Why do you go on living?
Suicide has solved problems
of people like-"minded" to your "problems."

Your life is meaningless and you appear to be insane as well as "not very
bright. Suicide might not make you any happier but it would certainly
cheer
up the day of anyone who knows you.



Your collectivism is no more valid now
than it was when your "Granddfathers
of the Spirit" were executed by hanging
at Nurnberg.


Have a nice day.

Gray







"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061751120001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <6QiNf.83526$B94.10233@pd7tw3no>, "Kurt Knoll"
<kknoll@monarch.net> wrote:

Wrong again Eugene many of the interrogators accompanying the American
soldiers were Jewish. Their interest ware not for America but only to
serve
the Jewish cause.


Many of the interrogators were indeed Jews, but many were not. Whether
they were Jews or not is beside the point. On May 8, 1945, the Reich had
collapsed and a functioning government had to be put into place quickly.
In formation that interrogators had obtained was of secondary importance
compared to the issue of getting some kind of functioning government in
place. It should be obvious to anyone who understands the situation that
a
primary objective of the occupying forces and the Austrians who were
cooperating with them was to extirpate Nazism, by terminating its
organizations, forbidding its propaganda, and criminalizing any attempts
to deny, downplay, rationalize, or justify the crimes against humanity
that had been committed by the Nazi regime. The objective of this
exercise
was to create the prerequisites for Austria's rehabilitation as a decent
nation, not placation of the Jews. Even if not a single Austrian Jew had
survived, nazism would still have had to be criminalized and extirpated.

<deletions>

Regards,
Eugene Holman





.




User: "Gray Shockley"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 03 Mar 2006 10:46:19 PM
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:10:58 -0600, Kurt Knoll wrote
(in article <6QiNf.83526$B94.10233@pd7tw3no>):

Wrong again Eugene many of the interrogators accompanying the American
soldiers were Jewish. Their interest ware not for America but only to serve
the Jewish cause.

Kurt Knoll.

And, of course, this is just more crap of yours coming
from your direct mouth-***** connection.
Back it up, trash boy, back it up.
Kurt "RadioBerlin1943" Knoll
Please, KnollBoy, take another Kurtsie.
Your "special friends" are waiting for you.
Gray Shockley
--------------------------
Shockley's Exception to Godwin's
Law: When someone is quoting
Hitler and his sycophants or
someone from neo-nazi orgs,
Godwin's Law is irrelevant.


"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061425260001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <du42fi$2qcj$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061337370001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <du3o1t$2m70$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2802061927430001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...


<deletions>


No. You have it wrong. The so called "Banning Law" has been part of
the
criminal code in Austria since 1946. At that time Israel did not yet
exist, and the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the
Holocaust
had
no influence to speak of.


You can provide proof to support that rather sweeping statement?


Yes.


I should have been more explicit. I was curious how you could be so
absolutely sure that "the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the
Holocaust had no influence to speak of."

Simply amazed you are so absolutely convinced this was the case.


On May 8, 1945, when the first version of the Banning Law was enacted, the
Austrian Jewish community had been virtually annihilated, with the few
survivors yet to regain their civil rights or citizenship. Austrian Jews
were simply not in a position to make their voices heard when this
legislation was drafted and enacted, nor does the law specifically adress
their problems or defend their interests.

On the other hand, a primary objective of those who had legislative power
at the time was to rid the defeated country of Nazism and its pernicious
influence. The obvious way to do this, whether or not Jews are present in
the country, is to extirpate Nazism by banning its organizations and
prohibiting its public glorification and the denial of the crimes against
humanity, which were by no means directed solely against Jews, that were
committed in its name. Note that the Austrian Banning Law does not even
mention the Holocaust (Holokaust), a word that was rarely used in the
modern sense back in 1946. Instead, it uses much more general terms,
prohibiting glorification, aproval of, trivializing, or denying the
*crimes against humanity* committed by the Nazi regime.

Regards,
Eugene Holman



.
User: "Kurt Knoll"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 04 Mar 2006 01:02:20 AM
Whatever turns you on I myself think you are a nut case why should I waste
my time on a vegetable like you.
Kurt Knoll.
"Gray Shockley" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C02E77BB0021679EF0284550@news.giganews.com...

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:10:58 -0600, Kurt Knoll wrote
(in article <6QiNf.83526$B94.10233@pd7tw3no>):

Wrong again Eugene many of the interrogators accompanying the American
soldiers were Jewish. Their interest ware not for America but only to
serve
the Jewish cause.

Kurt Knoll.



And, of course, this is just more crap of yours coming
from your direct mouth-***** connection.


Back it up, trash boy, back it up.


Kurt "RadioBerlin1943" Knoll


Please, KnollBoy, take another Kurtsie.

Your "special friends" are waiting for you.


Gray Shockley
--------------------------
Shockley's Exception to Godwin's
Law: When someone is quoting
Hitler and his sycophants or
someone from neo-nazi orgs,
Godwin's Law is irrelevant.









"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061425260001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <du42fi$2qcj$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061337370001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <du3o1t$2m70$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2802061927430001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...


<deletions>


No. You have it wrong. The so called "Banning Law" has been part of
the
criminal code in Austria since 1946. At that time Israel did not yet
exist, and the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the
Holocaust
had
no influence to speak of.


You can provide proof to support that rather sweeping statement?


Yes.


I should have been more explicit. I was curious how you could be so
absolutely sure that "the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the
Holocaust had no influence to speak of."

Simply amazed you are so absolutely convinced this was the case.


On May 8, 1945, when the first version of the Banning Law was enacted,
the
Austrian Jewish community had been virtually annihilated, with the few
survivors yet to regain their civil rights or citizenship. Austrian
Jews
were simply not in a position to make their voices heard when this
legislation was drafted and enacted, nor does the law specifically
adress
their problems or defend their interests.

On the other hand, a primary objective of those who had legislative
power
at the time was to rid the defeated country of Nazism and its pernicious
influence. The obvious way to do this, whether or not Jews are present
in
the country, is to extirpate Nazism by banning its organizations and
prohibiting its public glorification and the denial of the crimes
against
humanity, which were by no means directed solely against Jews, that were
committed in its name. Note that the Austrian Banning Law does not even
mention the Holocaust (Holokaust), a word that was rarely used in the
modern sense back in 1946. Instead, it uses much more general terms,
prohibiting glorification, aproval of, trivializing, or denying the
*crimes against humanity* committed by the Nazi regime.

Regards,
Eugene Holman





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User: "Gray Shockley"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 04 Mar 2006 02:35:49 PM
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:02:20 -0600, Kurt Knoll wrote:

Whatever turns you on I myself think

No, you don't.

you are a nut case why should I waste
my time on a vegetable

Some fruits like you agree.
No one, inferior trashboy, is forcing you to read anything at all. I doubt
that anyone is pointing a gun to your head and forcing you to expose yourself
as a blooming idiot on the internet.
There's an item which is called a "killfile"; you might waqnt one of the
neighborhood children show it to you. Oops! Do parents allow their children
into your room?
And you haven't been "answering" me. You just drooled some more of your
unsubstantiated crap. So, I reply in kind. If you put out crap, I give you
crap back.
I don't need your replies to comment on peckerhead pissants like you and your
other little creepers and crawlers.
I do not believe that - if someone - such as you - is insane, that fruit
should be able to "get away with murder". I don't think there is much doubt
that you wouldn't murder anyone but you'd dream about and try to pump up
others to murder anyone and everyone who has made you such an incredible,
low-life, low class failure.
You're just another drooling crybaby who doesn't have the courage to attempt
to stand up on his hind legs and be a human.
Have a nice day.
Gray Shockley
--------------------------
Shockley's Exception to Godwin's
Law: When someone is quoting
Hitler and his sycophants or
someone from neo-nazi orgs,
Godwin's Law is irrelevant.
Gray Shockley
--------------------------
Shockley's Exception to Godwin's
Law: When someone is quoting
Hitler and his sycophants or
someone from neo-nazi orgs,
Godwin's Law is irrelevant.

like you.

Kurt Knoll.

"Gray Shockley" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C02E77BB0021679EF0284550@news.giganews.com...

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:10:58 -0600, Kurt Knoll wrote
(in article <6QiNf.83526$B94.10233@pd7tw3no>):

Wrong again Eugene many of the interrogators accompanying the American
soldiers were Jewish. Their interest ware not for America but only to
serve
the Jewish cause.

Kurt Knoll.



And, of course, this is just more crap of yours coming
from your direct mouth-***** connection.


Back it up, trash boy, back it up.


Kurt "RadioBerlin1943" Knoll


Please, KnollBoy, take another Kurtsie.

Your "special friends" are waiting for you.


Gray Shockley
--------------------------
Shockley's Exception to Godwin's
Law: When someone is quoting
Hitler and his sycophants or
someone from neo-nazi orgs,
Godwin's Law is irrelevant.









"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061425260001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <du42fi$2qcj$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061337370001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <du3o1t$2m70$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2802061927430001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...


<deletions>


No. You have it wrong. The so called "Banning Law" has been part of
the
criminal code in Austria since 1946. At that time Israel did not yet
exist, and the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the
Holocaust
had
no influence to speak of.


You can provide proof to support that rather sweeping statement?


Yes.


I should have been more explicit. I was curious how you could be so
absolutely sure that "the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the
Holocaust had no influence to speak of."

Simply amazed you are so absolutely convinced this was the case.


On May 8, 1945, when the first version of the Banning Law was enacted,
the
Austrian Jewish community had been virtually annihilated, with the few
survivors yet to regain their civil rights or citizenship. Austrian
Jews
were simply not in a position to make their voices heard when this
legislation was drafted and enacted, nor does the law specifically
adress
their problems or defend their interests.

On the other hand, a primary objective of those who had legislative
power
at the time was to rid the defeated country of Nazism and its pernicious
influence. The obvious way to do this, whether or not Jews are present
in
the country, is to extirpate Nazism by banning its organizations and
prohibiting its public glorification and the denial of the crimes
against
humanity, which were by no means directed solely against Jews, that were
committed in its name. Note that the Austrian Banning Law does not even
mention the Holocaust (Holokaust), a word that was rarely used in the
modern sense back in 1946. Instead, it uses much more general terms,
prohibiting glorification, aproval of, trivializing, or denying the
*crimes against humanity* committed by the Nazi regime.

Regards,
Eugene Holman







.







User: "Kurt Knoll"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 01 Mar 2006 05:00:23 AM
No he can not basically he thinks all that are asking serious questions
about the holocaust are stupid. Will there ever be a time when this twisted
characters ever learn what honesty really is.
Kurt Knoll.
"Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:du3o1t$2m70$1@otis.netspace.net.au...


"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2802061927430001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <5YMLf.15471$yK1.13099@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"princeandy" <actiom@nps[a.viola.com> wrote:

What is remarkable is that this is the only piece of legislation like it
in
the world concerning any group.

What has all the below, besides showing a huge lack of integrity, common
sense or have not yet grasped the basics of democracy, have to do with
the
fact that Israel, Jews or whoever pressured the Austrian government to
have
such a law appears to show only that they know their case is so weak
that
that the whole can of worms is going to be exposed if they allow close

examination.

<deletions>

No. You have it wrong. The so called "Banning Law" has been part of the
criminal code in Austria since 1946. At that time Israel did not yet
exist, and the Austrian Jews who had not been killed in the Holocaust had
no influence to speak of.


You can provide proof to support that rather sweeping statement?


.
User: "Eugene Holman"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 01 Mar 2006 06:10:22 AM
In article <b9fNf.81704$sa3.24137@pd7tw1no>, "Kurt Knoll"
<kknoll@monarch.net> wrote:

No he can not basically

But I did. I showed that the Banning Law (Verbotsgesetz) dates back to May
8, 1945, this being more than three years before May 14, 1948, when the
state of Israel was established. The number of Jews and Austrians of
Jewish origin as defined by the Nuremberg Laws in Austria at the time was
no more than 5,500, compared to 206,000 when the Anschluß took place in
1938. It is thus absurd to argue that the Austrians passed the Banning Law
as a result of pressure from Israel, which did not yet exist, or the Jews,
those few of which survived the Holocaust had not yet had their civil
rights restored and thus could not actively participate in the process of
lawmaking. The Banning Law was passed as one of the first measures taken
after the war to extirpate Nazism and its influence from the part of the
defeated Reich that was eventually to regain full sovereignty in 1955 as
the Republic of Austria.

he thinks all that are asking serious questions
about the holocaust are stupid.

On what do you base that statement? I think that people asking *stupid*
questions about the Holocaust are stupid. Questions such as "If we find
more prussian blue on the walls of the fumigation chambers than we do in
the ruins of the structures alleged to have been gas chambers at
Auschwitz, doesn't that "scientifically" prove once and for all that the
claims about gas chambers are an urban legend and that the Holocaust is
myth?" or, perhaps the stupidest question asked about the Holocaust of all
time: "No holes? No Holocaust!".

Will there ever be a time when this twisted
characters ever learn what honesty really is.

<deletions>
Honesty means making a reasonable and internally consistent interpretation
of the evidence presented to support or refute a certain viewpoint. This
is quality that both Fred Leuchter and David Irving have demonstrated
themselves to sorely lack.
Regards,
Eugene Holman
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User: "Kurt Knoll"

Title: Re: Irving gets 3 years in jail. 01 Mar 2006 09:06:06 AM
Eugene why are you cutting short what I said. Could it be another Jewish
trickery to confuse the issue here.
Kurt Knoll.
No he can not basically he thinks all that are asking serious questions
about the holocaust are stupid. Will there ever be a time when this twisted
characters ever learn what honesty really is.
Kurt Knoll.
"Eugene Holman" <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-0103061410220001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...

In article <b9fNf.81704$sa3.24137@pd7tw1no>, "Kurt Knoll"
<kknoll@monarch.net> wrote:

No he can not basically


But I did. I showed that the Banning Law (Verbotsgesetz) dates back to May
8, 1945, this being more than three years before May 14, 1948, when the
state of Israel was established. The number of Jews and Austrians of
Jewish origin as defined by the Nuremberg Laws in Austria at the time was
no more than 5,500, compared to 206,000 when the Anschluß took place in
1938. It is thus absurd to argue that the Austrians passed the Banning Law
as a result of pressure from Israel, which did not yet exist, or the Jews,
those few of which survived the Holocaust had not yet had their civil
rights restored and thus could not actively participate in the process of
lawmaking. The Banning Law was passed as one of the first measures taken
after the war to extirpate Nazism and its influence from the part of the
defeated Reich that was eventually to regain full sovereignty in 1955 as
the Republic of Austria.